If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[CrimsonFox]

A reuters photographer said he heard at least 3 people say they wanted to find Pence so they could hang him as a traitor

[GrantDawg]

These are the opening charges. Biden's justice department will get a crack at charges as well.

Edit- just looking at the 40 listed so far, most are getting hit with "Violent Entry" along with weapons charges, and assault. Pretty sure those are felonies.

[CrimsonFox]

Michael Flynn and Sydney Powell banned from Twitter

[GrantDawg]

By the way, just reading the Federal unlawful entry law, any if them that also have weapons that is a 10 year sentence.

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[CrimsonFox]

I think Josiah Colt is so scared that he'll sing like a bird about all the other people. Also if they confiscate everyone's camera they'll find even more pictures

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

By the way, just reading the Federal unlawful entry law, any if them that also have weapons that is a 10 year sentence.

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so...all of them, then...

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

By the way, just reading the Federal unlawful entry law, any if them that also have weapons that is a 10 year sentence.

Might help the case on weapons if they had arrested them at the Capitol with a search instead of escorting them out of the building and taking selfies.

[Jukeman]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

These are the opening charges. Biden's justice department will get a crack at charges as well.

Edit- just looking at the 40 listed so far, most are getting hit with "Violent Entry" along with weapons charges, and assault. Pretty sure those are felonies.

Release The Kraken!

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think the felony murder rule is bullshit and abused. I just get mad when a kid gets shot breaking into a parked car and they charge his 6 friends with felony murder while these folks get a slap on the wrist.

The Feds were looking to get 70 years on people who were in the vicinity of broken windows during the Presidential inauguration 4 years ago. They made their lives hell.

Every person who was with the lady who was shot should be charged with felony murder. This will never happen but shows the massive bias of our justice system.

This is why this is a difficult job. Imagine you're just a regular prosecutor, skeptical of the felony murder statutes, but, the legislature passed them, and there are cases that clearly fit into them. You've maybe seen it used a few times in your jurisdiction, but you know it's a statute that can easily be abused beyond it's intent, so you always want to be careful of that.

So, you get a case involving white people, a murder, and trying to figure out if this applies. Should you throw out your own sense of caution about these types of statutes and gung-ho go after it only because other prosecutors have gone further than you would? Because someone else in another state got charged in a case, and you wouldn't have charged them, should you go ahead and charge someone else to make up for it? Should that be an influencing factor in whether a human is charged with a crime? That's what people call for. But that's no better than any other emotion- or agenda-based charging decision.

Except it's even worse because - even if you've never charged a black person with any felony murder crime, let alone a controversial one that didn't or shouldn't have held up under the language of the statute, now you're a racist because you didn't charge this white person. If you don't engage in vindictive prosecution, you're a racist because some other prosecutor played fast and loose with those lines.

The best you can try to do is have keep loyal to your ethics, and have your own good-faith way to analyze these questions. Even when it's not easy, when you're being called upon to incorporate and consider racial justice take-backs into your charging decisions, when you know that's not right, and you haven't done that in any other case.

I see how people react to charging questions when they REALLY hate the defendant, and this is exactly how too-aggressive prosecutors can make decisions regarding cases that move them emotionally, even if that's for legitimate reasons, like a victim was killed or raped or sexually abused. You bend around statutes and precedent interpreting those statutes because it feels like the morally right thing is to make these people pay as much as we can. That's a dangerous way of thinking.

I saw this happen in a case that got national coverage. The prosecutor had to charge with a lesser crime because the more serious one included an element that couldn't be proven. People didn't understand that. The victim was black, so, you know what they said about anyone involved with that charging decision. The next legislative session, the legislature amended the statute to remove the element. It made the felony version of the crime much easier to prove going forward. It would have made it a slam dunk case if that's what the statute read before. The prosecutor got tired of the backlash and quit, he's making more money in private practice now.

[CrimsonFox]

now Led Zeppelin's "Trampled Underfoot" is in my head.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I think Josiah Colt is so scared that he'll sing like a bird about all the other people. Also if they confiscate everyone's camera they'll find even more pictures

"Wait? My crazy stupid actions might have consequences?!? I'll do whatever you want!!"

It's why the BLM comparisons are just awful. Most of the local activists my wife knows go in, full well expecting to be arrested and they do it anyways because they fervently believe in the cause and the slim chance that something might be done to fix things.

Everyone at the Capitol was like "What are they going to do? Arrest us? Ha ha ha!" I mean you saw it in the extended video earlier where the protester was shot - it's a big frat party to them. Even when there's a gun pointed at them: there's no thought to consequences, they won't get arrested, and daddy will get them out of any trouble.

You also notice none of these nincompoops are out there day after day protesting - they're just there for the extra special inside tour of the Capitol and the selfies. I mean, again, you could hear the audio of stuff like "I can't believe it - we're actually here" and "we won". Except you didn't do anything of real political consequence. Like if Mike Pence had just been walking around in the hallway, there's a good chance he'd be dead. But he wasn't going to be.

Again, I keep coming back to the idea that someone did a decent job planning a coup. However, these people had no interest in really affecting change. It was just historical tourism. And rather than actually putting in the hard work to change things, they can go back to their pathetic Fox and 4chan fueled lives where they're told how aggrieved they should be and who they should be mad at.

SI

[GrantDawg]

The MAGA people keeping saying all they wanted was an "audit" of the election. I would be for a complete bipartisan audit of election IF it would actually alleviate the feeling that the election was stolen. I am afraid that it wouldn't make a bit of difference. Who could they possibly put in charge that both sides could trust?

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[CrimsonFox]

Pro-Trump rioters smeared poop in U.S. Capitol hallways - Orlando Sentinel

At least we're good on DNA evidence

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The MAGA people keeping saying all they wanted was an "audit" of the election. I would be for a complete bipartisan audit of election IF it would actually alleviate the feeling that the election was stolen. I am afraid that it wouldn't make a bit of difference. Who could they possibly put in charge that both sides could trust?

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It'd better not be some partisan liberal hack like Robert Mueller

I'm probably getting grumpy as I've watched some more videos of these yahoos today. But I swear these twits don't know what they want. They just know to parrot exactly what they've been told. And I don't mean like cohesive arguments. I mean they want to belong to Team MAGA and chant the chants and be a part of a big winning team. Which, yes, means there's clearly a societal failing if people are looking for meaning in such emptiness. And, no, I don't have a great answer on that one or even much of a place to start.

SI

[GrantDawg]

Olive Garden revoked a lifetime pasta pass from Sean Hannity. That is hilarious.

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Pro-Trump rioters smeared poop in U.S. Capitol hallways - Orlando Sentinel

At least we're good on DNA evidence

George Soros paid Antifa to put that poop there.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Olive Garden revoked a lifetime pasta pass from Sean Hannity. That is hilarious.

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But did they take it from Anderson Cooper after his slander? (I saw that on air live and just shook my head)

SI

[RainMaker]

���� Breaking: the DOJ says it is not considering incitement charges against speakers at Wednesday’s rally, which included the president, said, “We don’t expect any charges of that nature.” The investigation is focused solely on criminal acts at the Capitol. Per @PeteWilliamsNBC

— Ayman Mohyeldin (@AymanM) January 8, 2021

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1231531

[sterlingice]

Dumb question, asking for a potentially failed Republic:

What's in place to prevent the President from firing the Vice President right now, considering said VP is the person kindof keeping the place running?

SI

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

By the way, just reading the Federal unlawful entry law, any if them that also have weapons that is a 10 year sentence.

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I'd like to imagine that shaman toolbag is going to regret putting a spearpoint on that flag he was carrying around.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Dumb question, asking for a potentially failed Republic:

What's in place to prevent the President from firing the Vice President right now, considering said VP is the person kindof keeping the place running?

SI

A VP can be removed by impeachment or resignation. President can't just fire them.

[Thomkal]

Here's a website with a listing of those who have been arrested for their part in the riot in the Capital:

Capitol Hill Siege | Program on Extremism | The George Washington University

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Pro-Trump rioters smeared poop in U.S. Capitol hallways - Orlando Sentinel

OK but nobody protested in any inappropriate ways like kneeling, right?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1231531

The rest of the story. They are working on the low hanging fruit now, the heavier charges are coming later:

A few hours later, a Justice Department spokesman issued the following statement, which again leaves the door open:

"Our focus is on the events at the Capitol. As of now, we have not charged anyone with incitement or insurrection. This is an extremely complex and ongoing... 3/4

— Ayman Mohyeldin (@AymanM) January 8, 2021

[RainMaker]

Molson, there is no way to justify not charging those with the lady who was shot with felony murder. The DoJ has been consistent with how they charge people in these situations for thr past 4 years. Barr has repeatedly made statements on how those who cross state lines to riot should be handled. You are either consistent or you decide that white Trump supporters get special treatment here.

Watch the video the Washington Post put out on the shooting. No way to justify not charging her accomplices. There is someone literally pushing her through the window where she is shot.

[CrimsonFox]

[JPhillips]

Christmas will never end.

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[Qwikshot]

Trump is banned on Twitter; permanently

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Molson, there is no way to justify not charging those with the lady who was shot with felony murder. The DoJ has been consistent with how they charge people in these situations for thr past 4 years. Barr has repeatedly made statements on how those who cross state lines to riot should be handled. You are either consistent or you decide that white Trump supporters get special treatment here.

Watch the video the Washington Post put out on the shooting. No way to justify not charging her accomplices. There is someone literally pushing her through the window where she is shot.

But don't you think that felony murder statutes are "bullshit and abused"? You want it to be used here as a payback for other cases, not on its merits.

I said earlier that I thought that that situation with the lady was the closest thing I've heard to a felony murder statute situation coming out of the riots. I think maybe you got that idea from me. I was responding to the idea that everyone in the capitol building should be charged with felony murder, which I disagree with, both as policy, and as not fitting the statute.

I'm OK with prosecutors utilizing that statute, that was passed by legislature, as long as the facts clearly fit, which I think prosecutors should be cautious about. So I'm the one being consistent.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Trump is banned on Twitter; permanently

He will not accept a banning.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Trump is banned on Twitter; permanently

Epiphany GifT!

[CrimsonFox]

This is the tweet that got him banned after the 12 our suspension:

Trump wrote: “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!”

[Ghost Econ]

Trump is wignasty confirmed

[kingfc22]

Apple giving Parler a warning as well. Hate to see white supremacy have a tough Friday afternoon

Apple reportedly threatens to ban Parler app after Capitol Hill attack - CNET

[sterlingice]

"Busy, guys?"

Trump was calling Senators to get them to overturn the election *WHILE* the Capitol was on lockdown and Congress members were hiding from the mob https://t.co/oLYvE3hQiL pic.twitter.com/8lKpgDZd3x
— Ryan McCarthy (@mccarthyryanj) January 8, 2021

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Apple giving Parler a warning as well. Hate to see white supremacy have a tough Friday afternoon

Apple reportedly threatens to ban Parler app after Capitol Hill attack - CNET

Seems weird to have a good news dump on a Friday afternoon instead of a "holy crap, now what?" one

SI

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Seems weird to have a good news dump on a Friday afternoon instead of a "holy crap, now what?" one

SI

My thoughts also. Wouldn't surprise me if Jack did it on purpose.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

"Busy, guys?"

Trump was calling Senators to get them to overturn the election *WHILE* the Capitol was on lockdown and Congress members were hiding from the mob https://t.co/oLYvE3hQiL pic.twitter.com/8lKpgDZd3x
— Ryan McCarthy (@mccarthyryanj) January 8, 2021

SI

Out of everything that's gone on the last week, this might be the most shocking to me. No matter how evil and stupid I thought Trump and Rudy were, I didn't realize that they were actually that evil and that stupid.

[21C]

[thesloppy]

Today's mood:

[Ksyrup]

I laughed my butt off at this.

I applaud the people brave enough to leave the Trump administration now. It takes courage.

After airline flights, I too have been known to unbuckle my seatbelt moments before the aircraft has "come to a complete stop," so I have experienced this level of courage first hand.

— Mekka *My Mask Protects You* Okereke (@mekkaokereke) January 7, 2021

[thesloppy]

Supporting Trump is going to be the anti-Woodstock. In 20 years nobody will tell you they were there.

[kingfc22]

Wow. He used the official POTUS account to tweet out nonsense.

And Twitter deleted it. Good on them.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Apple giving Parler a warning as well. Hate to see white supremacy have a tough Friday afternoon

Apple reportedly threatens to ban Parler app after Capitol Hill attack - CNET

And Google has banned Parler from the Play Store

Google Suspends Parler From Google Play

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by molson

But don't you think that felony murder statutes are "bullshit and abused"? You want it to be used here as a payback for other cases, not on its merits.

I said earlier that I thought that that situation with the lady was the closest thing I've heard to a felony murder statute situation coming out of the riots. I think maybe you got that idea from me. I was responding to the idea that everyone in the capitol building should be charged with felony murder, which I disagree with, both as policy, and as not fitting the statute.

I'm OK with prosecutors utilizing that statute, that was passed by legislature, as long as the facts clearly fit, which I think prosecutors should be cautious about. So I'm the one being consistent.

I just want laws applied equally. There are many laws I disagree with. But you can't decide that they only count for certain races or political affiliations.

[RainMaker]

All the tech companies doing this at the same time makes me think they were given a heads up about a legitimate threat. Twitter released an ominous note about people planning to storm the Capitol again on the 17th.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Supporting Trump is going to be the anti-Woodstock. In 20 years nobody will tell you they were there.

The GOP has already started. But they're going to want everyone to forget about these 4 years as fast as possible. Except the tax cuts and the judges - thank them for that.

SI

[sterlingice]

This has been a fascinating thread to walk down. They're trying to forensically identify the zip tie people and it's just fascinating to watch. It's like if the "Enhance" guy on CSI was actually real but instead of 1 guy, it's a thousand people on the internet.

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status...11413101998080

SI

[GrantDawg]

Rainmaker, any indication of why the 17th?

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[tarcone]

If you followed the IWS 249 thread, only one person said Hawley would be running for president in 2024.

Dude is trying to latch onto Cult45