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Join Date: Oct 2000
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This is true, and it is outside of MAGA. There are folks for whom being a "moderate" or "independent" is an important part of their political identity. You might have someone who hasn't voted for a GOPer since Bush I, but they will still call themselves "independent" when anyone asks. Or the same thing for someone who's gone straight-ticket GOP since Reagan. People who poll sometimes try to tease out true independents (who are a very small sliver of the population) from leaners and folks who are consistent "independent" straight-tickets voters. |
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08-04-2021, 02:35 PM
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I think mixing moderates and independents is just muddying the waters here. An independent just means you don't belong to either of the major parties. A moderate is someone who tends to shy away from extremist beliefs.
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08-04-2021, 02:43 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The scorched Desert
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I am registered independent and very moderate, actually most closely aligning as Libertarian.
I voted probably 60/40 GOP before Trump, in 2016 it was close to 80/20 Dem and this past election 100 Dem, only because there was absolutely nobody on the GOP ticket here in AZ that fit the definition of what I consider a classic republican with a more moderate lean. Most are all wacky Trumpsters and until I see his influence leave the GOP, I don't see myself voting anything but Dem and 3rd party in the near future, at least where I live. There are still republican's I would totally support, Kinzinger immediately comes to mind, hell even Romney, but they are few and far between. |
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08-04-2021, 02:45 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I'm obviously talking about moderates that vote republican. Or independents. Or whatever term you like. anyone who votes with the current republican party is complicit with everything that goes along with. There is no more "well, I don't love how easy it is to get guns, but I will never vote dem because every fetus is a life" You vote republican now you own all the other shit. sometimes it really is that simple. Last edited by Lathum : 08-04-2021 at 02:46 PM. |
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08-04-2021, 02:50 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
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Ok, but how is that relevant to the current discussion, which is about polling data relating to the *entire* set of self-described moderates? I mean, nowhere did I mention moderates who vote Republican. It's also true, as I mentioned, that the concern applies to a lesser degree to self-described *liberals*. Unless I'm missing something, this seems a response to nothing I said, ever  . |
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08-04-2021, 02:59 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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Sorry Brian but I'm done. You get these conversations to a point where it is impossible to even remember what the initial discussion was.
You wanna exist in some dream world where both sides need to find a way to validate the others opinions regardless of how insane one sides is, knock yourself out. I'll be over here in Narnia. |
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08-04-2021, 03:08 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
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Ok. I find that totally mind-boggling since I'm just making the same point I made in my initial post that you responded to, which ... while repetitive, seemed necessary to try to get back on track from the rabbit trails. I don't think I'm the one sidetracking or confusing the discussion.
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08-04-2021, 03:19 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Why does self-identifying matter when we can look at actual votes to see what is popular and what is not? Also what does the term moderate even mean? Socially moderate? Fiscally moderate? Someone in the middle of Republican and Democratic parties? That would be far-right to most of the advanced world. |
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Join Date: May 2006
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That would be relevant if we were discussing global politics. In terms of American politics, where someone sits relative to American liberals and conservatives is the relevant measure. Quote:
Because the question isn't what candidates, parties, or policies are popular. the question is, to what degree are people afraid to voice their political opinions publicly in the nation's current political climate. |
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08-04-2021, 03:39 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Seven miles up
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Shocking as it may seem, I'm a moderate, despite the brush that gets painted around here.
I just can't stand the bullshit that and the double dealing that comes from the right. There's no emphasis on the collective good, or any sort of sacrifice to make the group stronger. It's only about how can I get mine. The constant lying about what they actually said, the screaming and fearmongering about the end of times because the other side wants health care for women or other things. The Birthers.....blatant racism...yet gets a pass, and on top of that, denials that it was ever a big deal, and double down on holding someone responsible for supporting it. Remember the time Obama was going to declare martial law and take over Texas with a Wal-Mart? Yeah...so nobody ever comes out and goes, yeah...that was dumb...we were wrong. They never...ever...are held responsible for this stupid shit. Instead they simply spread 10, 20, 100 more lies and stories to muddy the field and the discussions. Until this exact mindset is challenged, changed, real discussion can not take place. All I want is honestly, integrity and responsibility.
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08-04-2021, 06:12 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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I wanna exist in a dream world where opposing sides can talk civilly to each other.
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08-04-2021, 07:04 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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I don't think it's any different than it has ever been. The old adage about religion and politics at the dinner table still applies. It's an emotional topic and people who have something to lose will avoid putting themselves out there if they don't have to. |
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08-04-2021, 08:16 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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Just some highlights of the day:
Tucker Carlson, at a far-right conference in Hungary, spoke glowingly of the repressive Hungarian regime and how it's a model for the USA. Newt Gingrich fully embraced the great replacement theory on Fox with no pushback. JD Vance said the "childless left" is out to destroy the country. Ron Desantis said COVID in FL is being spread by immigrants let in by Dems. How do you find areas of compromise when so many GOPers are lying white nationalists.
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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08-04-2021, 08:47 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: PDX
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https://www.axios.com/axios-ipsos-po...c94361d92.html
 "Yes, that’s right. Unvaccinated people blame, in descending order, foreigners and the mainstream media for the current wave of COVID."
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08-04-2021, 09:03 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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It fits. Hating non-whites and anybody with more than high school education is on brand.
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08-05-2021, 03:04 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
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This just isn't what the data shows. It shows increases over time across all political groups, from strong conservative to strong liberal and everywhere in between. Last edited by Brian Swartz : 08-05-2021 at 03:04 AM. |
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08-05-2021, 08:51 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Newbury, England
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For me it’s not being afraid to voice my political opinion, it’s more a case of can I be bothered with overcoming one of the two standard responses before any small chance of discussion can take place:
Yeah, but Trump…. or, Yeah, but the libtards… Don’t both sides this… Many on both sides  seem to me to be mirror images of each other, but in the ingrained total allegiance, complete inability to deviate from, or even question, the one party line, and in the fear/horror of the other side.As such debate (or even discussion my case as I don’t know enough about the overall platforms of each party behind the headlines or fear inducing clickbait) isn’t worth the vitriol and or closed mindedness that usually comes with it.
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08-05-2021, 10:48 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
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Some positive news; Americans say it's bad if Trump runs in 2024 by a 2:1 margin. 'Only' 73% of Republicans think he should run, which is a lot but it's nowhere near the numbers he was getting while still in office. Some are figuring out that it's over.
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08-05-2021, 11:02 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Seven miles up
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It's still an overwhelming supermajority of one of the TWO political parties in the US. Set everything else aside, those are pretty fucked statistics for someone who was impeached twice and has more baggage than British Royal.
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08-05-2021, 12:15 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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08-05-2021, 12:30 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
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But, hey, the left who can't even get agreement on an infrastructure bill (but maybe if there's enough pork for all), can't even break the filibuster for a voting rights bill, gun control bill, environmental reforms, election reforms, or immigration reforms and is about to lose any real access to abortion for at least half the country if not more to the courts while they're beginning to carve up the meager rights only recently granted the LBGT community. Who just kneecapped another one of their progressives to install a more centrist candidate in Ohio. Them, they're rolling this country towards Communism. They're definitely the same left and right, both sides and all.
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08-05-2021, 01:13 PM
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Boston, Ma
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So Trump runs and wins 73% of the primary vote. That makes him the R candidate. In the general election, all R's vote R. The election is a tossup. I don't see it as positive at all. |
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08-05-2021, 01:42 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
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It's better than staying over 90% isn't it? 20% of Republicans realizing that Trump shouldn't run again is better than them not realizing that. We're a long way from '24 still also. Maybe Trump rebounds, but maybe he also continues to erode in which case it's possible he doesn't even win the nomination. Even if he does, small steps are better than no steps at all.
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08-05-2021, 02:05 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2001
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Not wanting him to run does not equal won't vote for him if he's the nominee.
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08-05-2021, 02:17 PM
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Imagine it was more clearly worded. I bet "immigrants" would have gotten a higher score than that. Oh, look, deSantis drawing that card now: DeSantis blames COVID surge on immigrants as Florida pediatric cases soar, hospitals fill up. Quote:
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08-05-2021, 02:27 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Seven miles up
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All he needed to add was to call them Dirty Beaners and he'd have gotten the full house.
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08-05-2021, 02:59 PM
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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@brian cannot read that chart
Too many colors so he’ll ignore it and find a more simpler chart that doesn’t agree with that one and is in only one color. It’s laughable Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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08-05-2021, 03:16 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Seven miles up
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McCarthy had a reporter drug out of a press conference for, what appears to be, asking a question about his opposition to the Jan 6 committee.
Guessing he asked it a couple times and was ignored until that moment, but I only saw the end of the clip. Clearly this is a both sides issue.
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08-05-2021, 03:28 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Maybe because it is easier to find out what your political beliefs are? In the 60's, you didn't have to worry about your boss Googling you and finding out what you support on your Facebook page. I might be in the minority, but I've never brought up politics in work or personal situations because there is zero benefit to be gained from it. |
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08-05-2021, 03:58 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The scorched Desert
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This, there are very few people I discuss politics with, which is why it is so nice to vent here about stuff. And I don't know why anyone would bring politics up at work. Never a good idea, especially the larger your company |
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08-05-2021, 04:47 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Seven miles up
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I totally understand. I very much avoid this at work, unless I'm with someone who has a similar point of view, and when I'm not, I make it a point early on to point out that I don't necessarily share their pov and hope they just drop it and move on.
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08-10-2021, 09:08 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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Mike Lindell Delays 'Cyber Symposium' After Saying He Was Hacked
Sorry folks, it looks like Trumps reinstatement is going to be delayed for a little bit longer. If only Mike had put his evidence under his MyPillow or something...
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08-10-2021, 09:11 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Puyallup, WA
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The Hackers must be the best in the world to be able to hack the pillow guy that's going to expose how voting machines that aren't connected to the internet were hacked by China.
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08-10-2021, 09:28 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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Perhaps one of his lawyers pointed out that Dominion will soon own the entire company.
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08-10-2021, 09:31 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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So soon Dominion will control all the evidence, what a f***ing great plan!
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08-10-2021, 10:13 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The scorched Desert
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Man I have been doing it wrong my whole life, so over the next 4 years I need to.
1-Develop a crack habit 2-Find God and stop cold Turkey 3-Invent some ridiculously crappy product (Thinking about My Oven Mitts) 4-Become a millionaire 5-Fall in love with some equally whacked out politician 6-Claim massive fraud when they get trounced in their next election 7-Spend my entire 'My Oven Mitt' fortune on spreading batshit crazy conspiracies. 8-Appear on Jimmy Kimmel so anybody left that has not seen what a nut job I have become, can enjoy my pathetic insanity. 9-And finally, the pinnacle of my journey, become the most lampooned human on FOFC and appear on video chats in my underwear! Did I miss anything? |
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08-12-2021, 03:34 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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You missed being attacked at your cyber security symposium
Mike Lindell 'attacked' last night, police report has been filed I could believe that someone could attack Mike (and if true I hope they are arrested). I could also believe Mike was lying. I could also believe Mike was high on crack and really thought he was attacked by Antifa.
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08-12-2021, 06:46 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2020
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Clean energy causes birds to explode... but I'm sure both sides are the same.
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08-12-2021, 07:11 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Hundreds of thousands of OAN viewers are outraged by this while scarfing down buckets of kfc...
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08-12-2021, 07:21 PM
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Hundreds of thousands of OAN viewers are outraged by this while scarfing down buckets of kfc...
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08-13-2021, 07:06 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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may be more to this Rand Paul thing then it first appeared. |
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08-13-2021, 07:16 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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Senators legally being allowed to buy and sell stock based on their insider information is sometimes the example I use to explain how something can be legal but not ethical.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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dola:
There's such an easy fix, too. Just make it so that elected members of Congress and their spouses can own passively managed index funds but not individual shares of public companies. You could even do the thing where they are allowed to sell their personal holdings and re-invest in an index fund without having to realize the capital gains. |
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08-13-2021, 07:28 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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This could probably be posted as an accurate reaction to just about any news story.
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08-13-2021, 11:58 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA
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So after the stunning evidence from the My Pillow Guy's Cyber Composium, I'm ready to welcome back Donald Trump back to the Presidency, aren't you?
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The scorched Desert
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08-13-2021, 01:13 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
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Wasn't today supposed to be the big day when Trump is ushered back into office? Or did I miss the goalpost move?
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08-13-2021, 01:38 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2001
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No, he’s back now.
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08-13-2021, 01:46 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
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He's in, he just makes Biden do the paperwork.
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