Werewolf XXVI: The Thing - GAME OVER! THINGS WIN!!!

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

5 more minutes until im gone for the night and likely almost all of the day tomorrow. Im tired of defending myself, have said my piece, and am going to let the chips fall how they may

Ah, ok.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You keep doing what your doing right now, throwing other players under the bus and not directly stating you know something. Do just enough to get someone else killed and yourself not tested. its the way wolfs win every game

*clap clap*

Very nice! I like how you worked that into the thread!

[no sarcasm intended]

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

*clap clap*

Very nice! I like how you worked that into the thread!

[no sarcasm intended]

Am i missing the joke? i didnt mean it to be funny, just an expression...have i said it before?

[st.cronin]

Right now I say the Things are Blade + 1 other.

The second Thing could be anybody ... Barkeep or dubb or maybe Jeeber. Or somebody else.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, responding to Post #834:

So RA, who knows that his fellow Thing is in danger and that he could potentially be on the hook during the next actions, lets him hang. If he changes the vote, they go out looking for a conversion that night, have a day to try and argue their case, but they don't run the risk of GAME OVER on Day 2. And, assuming they are successful with their conversion (of CW or whoever they would pick) even if they are doubled up the next day we move on to Day 4 with 1-2 Things (again, depending on a successful night conversion) after we kill both of them.

But here, the Things now change gears. Now they tie themselves to each other when we have 30+ hours to work through the scenarios. If we talk ourselves into testing one of them, the other one is next and it is game over. Wouldn't it make sense to separate, as you suggest that RA and Saldana did on Day 2? Or if they are going to try and play together, why not have Coffee come out with the seer revelation when we have less time to react to it?

Perhaps there were philosophical differences in how Saldana and Warlord looked at the situation? And Raiders went with the flow in both cases? This is a big sticking point for me right now in going down this train of thought.

[Barkeep49]

I have to be honest. I am looking away from CW & Raiders. I think we're better off in a different direction and that is the direction I am heading.

[Qwikshot]

Here we go humans here we go!(clap clap)

[Barkeep49]

Vote count as of this post
[quote]
Blade6119 112
Raiders Army 107
hoopsguy 99
Barkeep49 92
st.cronin 69
Schmidty 56
Coffee Warlord 53
dubb93 48
JeeberD 32
saldana 29
Qwikshot 29
WVUFAN 26
Swaggs 22
tanglewood 21
path12 16
Anxiety 15
mckerney 14
Alan T 3
Desnudo 2
Vince 2
pennywisesb 2
kingfc22 2
ardent enthusiast 1
SackAttack 1
Fouts 1
Lathum 1
SnDvls 1
bulletsponge 1

[Raiders Army]

Somebody might want to check me:

Blade6119 (5): JeeberD, Raiders Army, mckerney, Coffee Warlord, Anxiety
Raiders Army (2): Blade6119, dubb93
hoopsguy (1): path12
tanglewood (1): WVUFan

No votes yet: st. cronin, tanglewood, Swaggs, hoopsguy, Barkeep49

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Here we go humans here we go!(clap clap)

I'm glad to see a shitface root for the right team.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Here we go humans here we go!(clap clap)

That's totally not right.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

So if it's only two of us, how do we play this out to win??? You should know by playing the wolf before that no one wants to lose. The preference is always to win. When you're dead and your side wins, it's a hollow victory.

You claim seer/clean and get everyone to buy it. I know all about fake role reveals and I also know when I would pull them as a bad guy. If I was calling the shots as a thing and we converted the seer and I KNEW I was dead that day I would tell him to clear me. No one else can claim to be the seer b/c he would be on my side and it would give me a good chance of extending my life and hoping other things come up so it never gets checked.

[Raiders Army]

[quote=Barkeep49]Vote count as of this post

Blade6119 112
Raiders Army 107
hoopsguy 99
Barkeep49 92
st.cronin 69
Schmidty 56
Coffee Warlord 53
dubb93 48
JeeberD 32
saldana 29
Qwikshot 29
WVUFAN 26
Swaggs 22
tanglewood 21
path12 16
Anxiety 15
mckerney 14
Alan T 3
Desnudo 2
Vince 2
pennywisesb 2
kingfc22 2
ardent enthusiast 1
SackAttack 1
Fouts 1
Lathum 1
SnDvls 1
bulletsponge 1

Post count?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, responding to Post #834:

So RA, who knows that his fellow Thing is in danger and that he could potentially be on the hook during the next actions, lets him hang. If he changes the vote, they go out looking for a conversion that night, have a day to try and argue their case, but they don't run the risk of GAME OVER on Day 2. And, assuming they are successful with their conversion (of CW or whoever they would pick) even if they are doubled up the next day we move on to Day 4 with 1-2 Things (again, depending on a successful night conversion) after we kill both of them.

But here, the Things now change gears. Now they tie themselves to each other when we have 30+ hours to work through the scenarios. If we talk ourselves into testing one of them, the other one is next and it is game over. Wouldn't it make sense to separate, as you suggest that RA and Saldana did on Day 2? Or if they are going to try and play together, why not have Coffee come out with the seer revelation when we have less time to react to it?

Perhaps there were philosophical differences in how Saldana and Warlord looked at the situation? And Raiders went with the flow in both cases? This is a big sticking point for me right now in going down this train of thought.

In my mind, they view it as if they use the seer role(which i believe CW was) then they can ride it the rest of the game(or for awhile)...and if one falls 2 days from now, "he must have been converted in the past two nights to frame me!" Safety in numbers hoops, and by doing this they ensure they get at least 1 more, most likely 2-3 before one of them gets tested. Instead of the flip side of losing one today, possibly both if we got lucky without the CW seer reveal, and tomorrow they are back at 2.

RA stated the whole purpose of his, and by my assumption was to win while alive. Dying a wolf then having the wolves win is hollow. The move today, if correct, ensures RA doesnt die today...its the move he as much told you he would make, do what he can do stay alive

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Vote count as of this post
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You mean post count, right?

[Qwikshot]

"This is Howard Cosell and I'm getting a piece of Eskimo tail before the Thing gets me..."

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by dubb93

You claim seer/clean and get everyone to buy it. I know all about fake role reveals and I also know when I would pull them as a bad guy. If I was calling the shots as a thing and we converted the seer and I KNEW I was dead that day I would tell him to clear me. No one else can claim to be the seer b/c he would be on my side and it would give me a good chance of extending my life and hoping other things come up so it never gets checked.

Hoops, are you reading this?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by dubb93

You claim seer/clean and get everyone to buy it. I know all about fake role reveals and I also know when I would pull them as a bad guy. If I was calling the shots as a thing and we converted the seer and I KNEW I was dead that day I would tell him to clear me. No one else can claim to be the seer b/c he would be on my side and it would give me a good chance of extending my life and hoping other things come up so it never gets checked.

I honestly believe you're misled and I don't think you're a Thing.

What's interesting is that there has been no talk about who might've been converted last night.

I think Jeebs and dubb are the top candidates as well as the people who've flown UTR.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

What's interesting is that there has been no talk about who might've been converted last night.

You mean like dubb/wvu/and i trumpeting CW? That kind of no discussion? Do you even read our posts?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I honestly believe you're misled and I don't think you're a Thing.

What's interesting is that there has been no talk about who might've been converted last night.

I think Jeebs and dubb are the top candidates as well as the people who've flown UTR.

Fuckin vote me again, you seem to like to go around in worthless circles.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well, im sure after today when you all vote for me some people will match me. But RA, keep pushing...its just building up more of a case against you when i come up clean

So you admit your voting record has been horrid, then?

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Somebody might want to check me:

Blade6119 (5): JeeberD, Raiders Army, mckerney, Coffee Warlord, Anxiety
Raiders Army (2): Blade6119, dubb93
hoopsguy (1): path12
tanglewood (1): WVUFan

No votes yet: st. cronin, tanglewood, Swaggs, hoopsguy, Barkeep49

I changed my vote to Coffee Warlord.

[Barkeep49]

Yes, I meant post count. Of course I won't edit the post even though I forgot my other quote tag!

[st.cronin]

I voted for Blade early in the cycle. I'll find the post.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You mean like dubb/wvu/and i trumpeting CW? That kind of no discussion? Do you even read our posts?

Conversion of me I can understand. Conversion of CW doesn't make any sense. The way you spin it isn't logical to a normal person. So I discount what you say.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm glad to see a shitface root for the right team.

Ouch.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

So you admit your voting record has been horrid, then?

Not in my mind, but if you make your assumptions about your own innocence then sure. I admit whatever you want. What other meaningless points do you want me to concede, becuase im happy to. Make a list real quick and ill admit to being the 20th hijacker if it makes you happy. Doesnt change what i think of the situation today.

My suspect list:
1.CW
2.RA(RA could be clean and CW, a thing, clears him...dubb did it a few games back, so we spend 2 days killing me or RA, then the other when they come up clear)
3.Barkeep(still dont know about the qwikshot kill, very possible third thing)
4.Dubb(despite his support of me, or maybe inspite of it...a possible convert, and is playing my support to earn my trust which ALAN T proved was oh so easy)

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

So you admit your voting record has been horrid, then?

I think too much is put on voting record. When I'm a wolf my voting record is always the best. Why? I throw my vote away on a wolf that isn't in danger of getting voted and I lay back and vote for people that I think have no chance of getting killed so I get the "unknown" factor for me. You also know when exactly to join a bandwagon. If you don't believe it, look back to the HP game, I had the best voting record the whole damn game.

It is easy to have a good voting record as a wolf b/c you know who everyone is and can discuss things with other people. Not so easy when you are by yourself.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Here we go humans here we go!(clap clap)

That's fucking garbage dude. Fucking garbage.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Am i missing the joke? i didnt mean it to be funny, just an expression...have i said it before?

Nope, not that I remember. It's just funny hearing that phrase again. I remember hearing it quite a bit with Peyton Manning, etc. I'm too tired to look for the thread, but the phrase was in the title.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

"This is Howard Cosell and I'm getting a piece of Eskimo tail before the Thing gets me..."
[/IMG]

Since when are there eskimos in Antarctica?


Damn...I'm too drunk to make sense of tonight's discussions. :o

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Conversion of me I can understand. Conversion of CW doesn't make any sense. The way you spin it isn't logical to a normal person. So I discount what you say.

Well, we have to assume there have been 2 conversions. I can see how it would be out of the realm of possibility that you two could have been the converts.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I honestly believe you're misled and I don't think you're a Thing.

What's interesting is that there has been no talk about who might've been converted last night.

I think Jeebs and dubb are the top candidates as well as the people who've flown UTR.

I actually think I have figured out who the convert is, but I'm going to wait until after this vote to bring it on. If Blade comes up clean, it's a wrong guess anyway.


Post 722

Originally Posted by st.cronin

That's a terrible idea: We need to catch a thing EVERY day. The value of clearing somebody does not come close to the value of the Things increasing their numbers while we hope the seer sees one.

I was convinced Blade was a Thing YESTERDAY, and I remain convinced:

VOTE BLADE

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I am. I'm still not sure why you would use the reveal with so much time left to dissect it, but I can at least subscribe to the newsletter.

I still think the play is inconsistent from day 2 to day 3 (and sub-optimal) but I can see the path you and Dubb are heading down.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

That's fucking garbage dude. Fucking garbage.

Soooo...did Schmidty just let us know that Qwik was human?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Soooo...did Schmidty just let us know that Qwik was human?

If anything he let us know he was a thing, but we cant take his comments to mean a thing, pretend it didnt happen

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I have for votes, don't think there have been any in awhile:

JeeberD - Swaggs (660)
Raiders - Dubb (667), Blade (668)
Blade - Coffee (690), Anxiety (696), JeeberD (707), Raiders (710), Cronin (722), mckerney (771)
Coffee - WVUFAN (741)
Hoops - Path (773)

Not Voted: Barkeep, Hoopsguy, Tanglewood

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Soooo...did Schmidty just let us know that Qwik was human?

Actually no I didn't. It was regarding the fact that he was making a comment that could affect the game after he's dead.

I AM FUCKING PISSED.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I think too much is put on voting record. When I'm a wolf my voting record is always the best. Why? I throw my vote away on a wolf that isn't in danger of getting voted and I lay back and vote for people that I think have no chance of getting killed so I get the "unknown" factor for me. You also know when exactly to join a bandwagon. If you don't believe it, look back to the HP game, I had the best voting record the whole damn game.

It is easy to have a good voting record as a wolf b/c you know who everyone is and can discuss things with other people. Not so easy when you are by yourself.

The last two games I played voting record pointed straight to every single wolf. So, I disagree with your assesment.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hey hoops. Not that I'm going to change my vote unless something drastic happens, but why path?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Not in my mind, but if you make your assumptions about your own innocence then sure. I admit whatever you want. What other meaningless points do you want me to concede, becuase im happy to.

I'm glad that you finally conceded that you have a bad voting record. In that case, I would refer you to what set you off:

Post #665

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Okay. I'm gonna have to go with a silent conversion here. Damn.

Based on voting patterns, these are my prime suspects at this point:

1. JeeberD, voted twice for a known scientist (Day 2 both votes)
2a and b. Coffee Warlord and Blade 6119, voted for a known scientist (Day 2 2nd vote)

None of the above voted for saldana on day 2.

Next tier is:

4. tanglewood, voted for a known scientist and not sure if his vote counted towards saldana since it was late (at that point, it didn't matter)
5a,b, & c. mckerney, hoopsguy, and Barkeep49, voted for scientists and for saldana

Unknowns: st. cronin, Swaggs, Anxiety, WVUFan. From their votes, we don't know what they voted for.

Possible good guy: path12, voted for saldana, didn't vote for a known scientist

So you flew off the handle on a post that said you had a bad voting record, which you admit. Thanks. I can go to sleep now.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The last two games I played voting record pointed straight to every single wolf. So, I disagree with your assesment.

They weren't playing the role right.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Hey hoops. Not that I'm going to change my vote unless something drastic happens, but why path?

path voted for hoops, not the other way around.

Way to go, Daivd...

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

path voted for hoops, not the other way around.

Way to go, Daivd...

Don't MAKE me launch tactical yaks at you.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Yeah, I am. I'm still not sure why you would use the reveal with so much time left to dissect it, but I can at least subscribe to the newsletter.

I still think the play is inconsistent from day 2 to day 3 (and sub-optimal) but I can see the path you and Dubb are heading down.

Do whatever you think is smart. I have no allies, no nothing of dubb and WVU, and am solely working on my gut here. Sometimes its right, sometimes its wrong(i never though saldana was a thing..hell, im usually wrong)...but as a simple villager with no bonus knowledge, i can only go off my gut. And as a wolf i would have done everything i think RA has done(including converting RA if im saldana)...and if i converted the seer but was a dead man id beg him to clear me...id make all the same plays, so i vote this way. Might be better to vote CW in case he is pulling one like dubb did a few games back. So as i leave

UNVOTE RAIDERS
VOTE COFFEE

[hoopsguy]

Is this the first Maximum Football reference in a werewolf game?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by dubb93

They weren't playing the role right.

And if you must know, that is the reason I was voting for hoops earlier. He does play the role right and it was risk/reward. I thought everyone would catch on to saldana, but I wanted to show that hoops was the biggest threat. I thought i caught him, which I've changed my mind on that now, and if I did catch him, he knows how to play the role.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm glad that you finally conceded that you have a bad voting record. In that case, I would refer you to what set you off:

Post #665
So you flew off the handle on a post that said you had a bad voting record, which you admit. Thanks. I can go to sleep now.

LOL, i cant believe you just made that jump...wow, just wow...that post is wrong by official standards...you are soo agitating..just wow, sleep tight you crazy SOB

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by dubb93

They weren't playing the role right.

Well, in at least one of those games, they did win ... anyway, I think in this game voting record is less useful than normal, but because of that, and because in werewolf the bad play is sometimes the good play, and because there's not much else to go on, I place a lot of importance on it.

That probably didn't make any sense. Suffice that it's what I use and the last few games it's served me well.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, in at least one of those games, they did win ... anyway, I think in this game voting record is less useful than normal, but because of that, and because in werewolf the bad play is sometimes the good play, and because there's not much else to go on, I place a lot of importance on it.

That probably didn't make any sense. Suffice that it's what I use and the last few games it's served me well.

Cronin, i like you..i do...so dont misconstrue all of the crap i give you after you guys test me...ok?