Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

[molson]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If I was a wolf I would want Blade out ASAP since he is such a solid player so why is he still alive. BECAUSE HE IS A WOLF.

VOTE BLADE

There's only been one killing, and there's multiple veteran solid players. So to accuse Blade with the basic reasoning of "he's still alive", seems pretty odd.

I'll probably be voting for a veteran, because like I said, I think a wolf veteran is pulling the strings

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by molson

There's only been one killing, and there's multiple veteran solid players. So to accuse Blade with the basic reasoning of "he's still alive", seems pretty odd.

I'll probably be voting for a veteran, because like I said, I think a wolf veteran is pulling the strings

thats what im thinking. Blade was good in my first WW game of figuring out i was a wolf (2 games ago) and i think we should keep him around this game for sure. i bet he will sniff out a wolf and if we kill him early like in the spawn WW game we ( villagers) will loose a good asset to the wolf hunting.

[molson]

I'll detail my reasons after work, but I invite everyone to check out his previous votes and make up their own mind


Vote Lathum

[molson]

Dola, I meant to type check out Lathum's previous "posts".

[bulletsponge]

Lathum wants him dead because he thinks Blade is a solid player?

[saldana]

molson. please do not edit any more posts.

that is a big no-no in werewolf...if you want to correct yourself, use a dola, even if it is just to fix a typo

[molson]

Originally Posted by saldana

molson. please do not edit any more posts.

that is a big no-no in werewolf...if you want to correct yourself, use a dola, even if it is just to fix a typo

My bad, I got annoyed because of a typo in my typo correction thread, and added the word "to" - won't happen again.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I have a theory, it may not be much but since day 2 is almost as much a crapshoot as day one I'll give it a try.

I think there is something to be said with the "go for the veteren" strategy. Now I want to clarify my point by saying I don't think anyone is better then anyone else because they have more games under their belts but there is something to be said for expierience.

I think Blade is a wolf. He voted for me early and I know I am a villager. Once there was no support for me he decided to kill Saldana at night, a very solid player. That 2 of the more experienced players in the game.

It would have been to obvious for Blade to kill me last night since alot of people know we have a history, so instead he killed Saldana ( who also voted for me early on, which can make it look like I have a grudge, thus casting suspiscon on me)

If I was a wolf I would want Blade out ASAP since he is such a solid player so why is he still alive. BECAUSE HE IS A WOLF.

that being said

VOTE BLADE

my vote is subject to change but someone needs to get the discussion going. And I hope none of the new players take offese to this argument, it is in no way meant to say you aren't all solid players.

This is almost laughable lathum...either this is a big joke or your drunk.

Couple things:

Originally Posted by Lathum

so instead he killed Saldana ( who also voted for me early on, which can make it look like I have a grudge, thus casting suspiscon on me)

You and saldana are actually very good friends in real life, so i highly doubt i would be able to pull the you have a grudge card on him. Grudge on someone maybe, as you used your anger after i blatantly told you i wouldnt pick you first in egypt to kill me. I doubt anyone could convince me you had a grudge against saldana though.

Originally Posted by Lathum

It would have been to obvious for Blade to kill me last night since alot of people know we have a history,

Despite our "history," i have never once killed you. You have multiple times i believe killed me(at least once as prophecy, and im 99% sure there was another time with you as a wolf...might be wrong there though). I dont let my anger get in the way of my game, unlike how you played the prophecy role. If i were a wolf, i would have killed who i think would have given me the best chance to survive and to that end win the game. Saldana, very possible...you, not in my mind(your a vet, but our history clouds my view of you). Sorry to be blunt here. In my opinion, after watching hoopsguy have so much success with it, i would kill off the quiet players and watch the loud players bicker and kill each other off.

Originally Posted by Lathum

If I was a wolf I would want Blade out ASAP since he is such a solid player so why is he still alive. BECAUSE HE IS A WOLF.

Am i the only "solid" player left? I think there are quite a few highly skilled players in this game who all bring a unique piece to the puzzle. Obviously the wolves thought saldana was a bigger threat then i, and im not sure, despite my cockiness, i can disagree with that assesment.

Originally Posted by Lathum

my vote is subject to change but someone needs to get the discussion going.

Its 9:00 AM here, let me wake up and get the discussion going...

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

OT - just a random suggestion...and I know I'm going to regret this later...

But someone needs to compile a Werewolf manual thread.

Sorry to thread jack, but what kind of things would you want in a manual like that?

[path12]

Sorry I've been so quiet, yesterday ended up totally crazed. I need to catch up and will have a thought or two later. I think we have had some interesting posts already.

Newbies, hang in there. I'll agree with bullet (or whoever said it) that although it's really hard to know whats going on at first it will start to make at least a little more sense as we go along.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, don't edit posts

[Blade6119]

NOTE: That is the closest i want to tip-toe to a fight this early in the game...lathum is already back, so im sure he will have some words about it. But i will do my best to only respond to one with the intent of game ideas and not stirring up our "colorful" past

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Barkeep, don't edit posts

Hoopsguy, dont go idle on AIM the second i sign on lol

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Barkeep, don't edit posts

Yeah I thought about that as I did it

[Lathum]

I am more then willing to hear other theories, such as molson's for voting me?

Someone had to start a discussion and I figured I may as well do it. Do you really think if I was a wolf I would put such a large target on my back so early on?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yeah I thought about that as I did it

what a freakin' noob

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am more then willing to hear other theories, such as molson's for voting me?

Someone had to start a discussion and I figured I may as well do it. Do you really think if I was a wolf I would put such a large target on my back so early on?

I didnt think you would have the balls to kill me as the prophecy so close to our argument, but you did, and somehow managed to play it off(i will give you credit, you did a good job with that). After how ballsy you were with that, and then seeing you pull it off, i wont put anything past you.

[Lathum]

Also if I was a wolf and I wanted Blade dead I would have killed him last night instead of pointing a finger at him this morning.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am more then willing to hear other theories, such as molson's for voting me?

Someone had to start a discussion and I figured I may as well do it. Do you really think if I was a wolf I would put such a large target on my back so early on?

I admit it's more a guess than a theory. And if you had a better argument, there'd be a strong temptation to go after Blade - because if you happened to be right, you could probably be trusted after that. But I don't see how you could be so confident unless you had another agenda.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by molson

I admit it's more a guess than a theory. And if you had a better argument, there'd be a strong temptation to go after Blade - because if you happened to be right, you could probably be trusted after that. But I don't see how you could be so confident unless you had another agenda.

I never said I was confident, I mearly stated it was a theory to get us started and that my vote was subject to change. I at least gave a reason for my vote.

Like I said, I think it is possible there is a "vet" wolf guiding the other wolves, if it was me would I be so bold?

[Blade6119]

As for today, i think we should look at the people who were not involved in the lynch really. Drop is dead, and good, i know im good, saldana was a late swap onto drop and he was good. Im thinking that its likely the wolves likely werent too involved in yesterdays lynch, meaning this is the initial list i will work off of:

2 - Blade - Grammaticus
2 - Schmidty - path12, greyroofoo
1 - Lathum - Blade
1 - Chief Rum - Swaggs
1 - Chubby - bulletsponge
1 - bulletsponge - Chubby
1 - path12 - Schmidty
1 - saldana - farrah
1 - tanglewood - dodgerchick
1 - AlanT - Anxiety
1 - GoldenEagle - Fouts

Now, the alant and gramat votes moved onto each other with about 2 minutes to go, but they didnt do anything so i will work more off this list.

Note:Torgo voted for me, so he was dropped...gramat did but swapped when it was clear i wasnt dying, so ill leave him on there

From that list, farrah looks worse for saldana being good, gramat and torgo(not listed) for voting me. Grey and path, who voted schmidty, are going to get a 1 day pass for the sake of hoping the wolves really wanted to go unnoticed.

One thing i have noticed as a recent trends is bad guys voting for other bad guys on day 1 rather often. That way, when other bad guy dies, they look better. So standing out immediately to me is bullet-chubby, the late gramat-alan, and the schmidty-path. Im giving path a pass, so wipe that last pair. And i have 4 suspects left to pick from so far today. Bullet, Chubby, gramat, and alan.

To break that group down: we have bullet, who has seemed every bit the helpful villager(for better or worse), chubby, who has flown under my radar a bit(need to go read his posts, nothing memorable to me), gramat(the force of day one, which i dont remember him doing in games past when i always suspected him and he turned out good. Either its a new play style hes trying, or hes out of what i invision as his play style. Lastly, but not least, Alan. He hasnt tried to be my best friend yet, so he seems good to me

So down to chubby and gramat for the moment, and i suppose at this time chubby gets it until i re-read his posts.

VOTE CHUBBY

Note, i fully expect to swap this later today, But lathum wanted discussion, so here yall go.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I never said I was confident, I mearly stated it was a theory to get us started and that my vote was subject to change. I at least gave a reason for my vote.

Like I said, I think it is possible there is a "vet" wolf guiding the other wolves, if it was me would I be so bold?

I think you would be, but the utter fact it was your best friend around these parts(that i know of) leads me to think for now your ok. Unless your not calling the shots, i dont think you would do that. In my mind, your either clean or not calling the shots

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I think you would be, but the utter fact it was your best friend around these parts(that i know of) leads me to think for now your ok. Unless your not calling the shots, i dont think you would do that. In my mind, your either clean or not calling the shots

There is no way I would kill saldana night one. If I was a wolf I would 100% kill Blade night one ( that is a compliment)

[bulletsponge]

Blade i think that Chief Rum vote for Swaggs was for today if im not mistaken

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

There is no way I would kill saldana night one. If I was a wolf I would 100% kill Blade night one ( that is a compliment)

.........................WHA?!

[GoldenEagle]

In my opinion, one person has been forcing the issue a bit too much and is a wolf. I will explain my reason for voting later on (at work right now).

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Lathum

There is no way I would kill saldana night one. If I was a wolf I would 100% kill Blade night one ( that is a compliment)

the day i ever believe you in WW again is the day Jessica Alba jumps my bones

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

As for today, i think we should look at the people who were not involved in the lynch really. Drop is dead, and good, i know im good, saldana was a late swap onto drop and he was good. Im thinking that its likely the wolves likely werent too involved in yesterdays lynch, meaning this is the initial list i will work off of:

2 - Blade - Grammaticus
2 - Schmidty - path12, greyroofoo
1 - Lathum - Blade
1 - Chief Rum - Swaggs
1 - Chubby - bulletsponge
1 - bulletsponge - Chubby
1 - path12 - Schmidty
1 - saldana - farrah
1 - tanglewood - dodgerchick
1 - AlanT - Anxiety
1 - GoldenEagle - Fouts

Now, the alant and gramat votes moved onto each other with about 2 minutes to go, but they didnt do anything so i will work more off this list.

Note:Torgo voted for me, so he was dropped...gramat did but swapped when it was clear i wasnt dying, so ill leave him on there

From that list, farrah looks worse for saldana being good, gramat and torgo(not listed) for voting me. Grey and path, who voted schmidty, are going to get a 1 day pass for the sake of hoping the wolves really wanted to go unnoticed.

One thing i have noticed as a recent trends is bad guys voting for other bad guys on day 1 rather often. That way, when other bad guy dies, they look better. So standing out immediately to me is bullet-chubby, the late gramat-alan, and the schmidty-path. Im giving path a pass, so wipe that last pair. And i have 4 suspects left to pick from so far today. Bullet, Chubby, gramat, and alan.

To break that group down: we have bullet, who has seemed every bit the helpful villager(for better or worse), chubby, who has flown under my radar a bit(need to go read his posts, nothing memorable to me), gramat(the force of day one, which i dont remember him doing in games past when i always suspected him and he turned out good. Either its a new play style hes trying, or hes out of what i invision as his play style. Lastly, but not least, Alan. He hasnt tried to be my best friend yet, so he seems good to me

So down to chubby and gramat for the moment, and i suppose at this time chubby gets it until i re-read his posts.

VOTE CHUBBY

Note, i fully expect to swap this later today, But lathum wanted discussion, so here yall go.

But Blade, I AM your best friend!

I think Chubby always seems under the radar to me. he isn't doing much more this time than he has the past few times from what I have seen. I really don't have a feel for how Bullet plays yet, but I do know that Bullet and Chubby have past history from other games. Them voting for each other is not a huge suprise to me, its their version of the automatic day one vote.

I didn't really expect gram to vote for me quickly after I voted for him, but you echoed the reasons I gave yesterday for why I did vote for Gram.

- I felt it odd he was pushing for a tie so early on. Like I said before I cooled off a bit on this reason though after rereading the rules.
-I mentioned yesterday he seemed alot more helpful and friendly this game than I remembered in the past. His response was something like "How is that a strategy?" I never replied to that comment but I know as a wolf I did that strat several times in the past until it stopped working for me. By being helpful , newer players are less likely to vote for you and see you as trying to "help" the team.


I don't really have much to go on day 2, but I'm just waiting to see how some votes shake out for now. I doubt I will see people do their "day one revenge" votes like Chubby-Bullet on day 2.. so Im not that worried about those guys just yet.

Right now though unless I see something else pop up, I'll probably vote for Gram again.

[st.cronin]

Again, I have no problem with players pming either saldana or hoopsguy; I trust both of them to maintain the integrity of this game. Also, you can pm me with any questions you may have, any questions at all.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

In my opinion, one person has been forcing the issue a bit too much and is a wolf. I will explain my reason for voting later on (at work right now).

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

Out of curiosity, is this one of the two people who you mentioned yesterday as "knowing they were bad" before you backed off your statement a little bit?

I don't have a problem with this pick since its likely my vote today unless something comes up, just curious to what you said yesterday.

[GoldenEagle]

Yes, he is one of the players that I thought was a Wolf.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

the day i ever believe you in WW again is the day Jessica Alba jumps my bones

I'll take that as a compliment

[molson]

So the "big three" active vets are Lathum, Blade, and Grammaticus. I think one's a wolf - which is dangerous for the villagers, because they all really know what they're doing.

Part of me wants to knock of all three. Worst case, we lose three experienced villagers, but if they can't agree, they're not particularly useful to us anyway. And 22 is a pretty big group for WW, isn't it - we'd have some numbers to spare.

And to emphasize, that's worst case. More likely is that we knock off the lead wolf.

Also, a dumbed down game, in terms of player experience, would seem to help the villagers - since our job is to find patterns, and the wolves' job is to conceal them.

[path12]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Yes, he is one of the players that I thought was a Wolf.

Do you not want to mention the other?

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by path12

Do you not want to mention the other?

Not at this time.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by molson

So the "big three" active vets are Lathum, Blade, and Grammaticus. I think one's a wolf - which is dangerous for the villagers, because they all really know what they're doing.

Part of me wants to knock of all three. Worst case, we lose three experienced villagers, but if they can't agree, they're not particularly useful to us anyway. And 22 is a pretty big group for WW, isn't it - we'd have some numbers to spare.

And to emphasize, that's worst case. More likely is that we knock off the lead wolf.

Also, a dumbed down game, in terms of player experience, would seem to help the villagers - since our job is to find patterns, and the wolves' job is to conceal them.

There are more vets than those three. Out of the list of players, here are the people who are probably considered vets. (If I leave out someone I apologize, no offense intended!)

1. Anxiety
3. Swaggs
4. tanglewood
6. Alan T
8. Lathum
9. Blade
12. path12
16. sndvls
17. schmidty
21. grammaticus

Also these three are experienced enough to be just fine as a wolf or villager in a demanding role too strategy wise...

2. Chubby
10. Bulletsponge
13. fouts


So there are quite a few vets in this game even with alot of new players. I personally like this balance as it creates an interesting environment for us.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Alan T

There are more vets than those three. Out of the list of players, here are the people who are probably considered vets. (If I leave out someone I apologize, no offense intended!)

1. Anxiety
3. Swaggs
4. tanglewood
6. Alan T
8. Lathum
9. Blade
12. path12
16. sndvls
17. schmidty
21. grammaticus

Also these three are experienced enough to be just fine as a wolf or villager in a demanding role too strategy wise...

2. Chubby
10. Bulletsponge
13. fouts


So there are quite a few vets in this game even with alot of new players. I personally like this balance as it creates an interesting environment for us.

I was just wondering who the "vets" were so I'm glad you posted this. Based on this list, the newbies are:

5. GoldenEagle
7. Chief Rum
11. molson
14. greyroofoo
15. farrah
20. daddytorgo

and me of course. I can go with the vet wolf pulling the strings and based on the saldana kill, they want the vets out in a hurry because they can sniff a wolf faster than us noobs.

I haven't really made up my mind, but I'll continue reading until I get the gist of it.

[Lorena]

Oh yeah, I have a question. My apologies in advance if I get the terminology wrong but, does the Mod (in this game St. Cronin) randomly pick the roles, or does he make a conscious effort to select the wolves vs. the villagers?

[Grammaticus]

Almost always random, but a mod could make an adjustment to ensure something very unbalancing does not happen.

[saldana]

everything is done at random DC, usually with random.org or even with the old school method of pulling a name out of one hat and a role for them out of another.

[Grammaticus]

dola,

I don't recall any mod ever saying it was anything but random

[st.cronin]

random.org determined all roles in this game

[tanglewood]

Well, I think that Lathum's leap onto Blade 'because he's still alive' is pretty weak really. As others have pointed out there are plenty of other vets still left, although I grant you there's perhaps no-one with his notoriety.

Gramm I agree with some others just seemed a bit too helpful and at the forefront. Sometimes as a wolf the best place to hide is out in the open. I also agree with Blade that Bullet and Chubby's exchange of votes on day one seems a bit odd, but not exactly incriminating. I know on day one a few times I have taken the simplistic 'well I know I am not a wolf, so if you're voting for me you might be a wolf' logic, which whilst not really all that helpful generaly, is pretty much all you have on day one.

Despite Grammaticus' pushyness, I do think his idea of setting up ties to have the masons decide them is intruiging. Without a seer we really don't have much hard information at all in this game, so utilising what little we have most directly could be a good strategy. What are the possible downsides to deliberatly setting up ties? I guess that the wolves could hijack it and try to force it one way or the other, but if we get one ser up I think it would be helpful.

[molson]

I think I overestimated the amount of newbies. I'm pretty much at square 1 with voting, until I have a chance to read everything over.

It's hard to have much of a theory until we have a close vote.

[Lathum]

St. Cronin, I don't know if you can answer this but are there any hidden roles?

[tanglewood]

In other news, Noddadrop is back on the forum and posting.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

St. Cronin, I don't know if you can answer this but are there any hidden roles?

I won't answer that.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Well, I think that Lathum's leap onto Blade 'because he's still alive' is pretty weak really. As others have pointed out there are plenty of other vets still left, although I grant you there's perhaps no-one with his notoriety.

Gramm I agree with some others just seemed a bit too helpful and at the forefront. Sometimes as a wolf the best place to hide is out in the open. I also agree with Blade that Bullet and Chubby's exchange of votes on day one seems a bit odd, but not exactly incriminating. I know on day one a few times I have taken the simplistic 'well I know I am not a wolf, so if you're voting for me you might be a wolf' logic, which whilst not really all that helpful generaly, is pretty much all you have on day one.

Despite Grammaticus' pushyness, I do think his idea of setting up ties to have the masons decide them is intruiging. Without a seer we really don't have much hard information at all in this game, so utilising what little we have most directly could be a good strategy. What are the possible downsides to deliberatly setting up ties? I guess that the wolves could hijack it and try to force it one way or the other, but if we get one ser up I think it would be helpful.

well i should clear up that i have vowed to kill chubby for several WW games now. he has been involved with my death both games ive played and accused me of being a wolf after i exposed him for being one in a previous game. so its just a personal vendetta i have. i dont plan on voting for him once i get a reason the believe someone is a wolf, hes just my fallback plan

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

There is no way I would kill saldana night one. If I was a wolf I would 100% kill Blade night one ( that is a compliment)

Speaking as one who has been both wolf and unwolf, I would always syteer clear of killing Blade if he is sniffing down the wrong path, because he can take a lot of other players with him.

[Lathum]

My "leap" may be weak but at least it got us talking...