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Old 12-15-2008, 01:00 PM   #301
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Since jeheinz wasn;t moving
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:00 PM   #302
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friggin WOLF

I knews it.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:00 PM   #303
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Haha...wow. Very intriguing...
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:00 PM   #304
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We had a wolf and you let him go Lathum
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:00 PM   #305
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so close, game over

you decide to lynch EF! hes a villegar!

Danny is night killed, the wolves win
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:01 PM   #306
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Who were the wolves?
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:01 PM   #307
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:01 PM   #308
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Oh wait it was me! And Mr. Let's Make Shit Complicated
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:01 PM   #309
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i knew EF couldnt be trusted
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:01 PM   #310
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jeheinz says he'll move, so we move to CR but no movement by jeheinz, only a check to see that I still lose the tie breaker.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:01 PM   #311
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heinze and lathum were the other wolves.... all the fun at the end didnt matter, PF had put in a duke condition al to kill EF no matter what
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:02 PM   #312
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:02 PM   #313
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man

EF, you were spot on with almost everything you said
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:02 PM   #314
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maybe the brutal wolf was a bad idea
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:02 PM   #315
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Yeah, that was me trying to do something with an ability I have no experience with. I really had no idea...and made the wrong play. And I am still surprised there were 3 wolves. Sorry EF
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:03 PM   #316
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jeheinz says he'll move, so we move to CR but no movement by jeheinz, only a check to see that I still lose the tie breaker.

FTR, I actually refreshed with the idea of actually moving, for kicks, but when I hit refresh I gave up on it since you switched back

No way I would've done it with enough time for you to switch back. That would've been dumb of me even if I was a villager.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:03 PM   #317
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Kudos to CR who basically nailed exactly my entire ploy.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:04 PM   #318
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Yeah, that was me trying to do something with an ability I have no experience with. I really had no idea...and made the wrong play. And I am still surprised there were 3 wolves. Sorry EF

Actually, it was probably the correct play, just wrong side. If you had hit it, you'd be put in the COT for tomorrow's vote and help ease that decision.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:04 PM   #319
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FTR, I actually refreshed with the idea of actually moving, for kicks, but when I hit refresh I gave up on it since you switched back

No way I would've done it with enough time for you to switch back. That would've been dumb of me even if I was a villager.

I was planning on switching back even if you had switched.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:05 PM   #320
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Next time I vote Lathum maybe people will listen?
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:06 PM   #321
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Glad to see the two that I had pretty much cleared in my mind (Danny and PF) were actually villagers.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:06 PM   #322
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thanks for running the game Clap.

Hard to comment on the balance, any game where the BG and seer are gone day 1 is gonna be tough for the villagers to win.


I think the deadline made it hard for alot of people to be active near the deadline
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:07 PM   #323
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Have to log out for a while, will try to get on before leaving to the game to discuss anything else about the game and my odd play.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:07 PM   #324
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I was planning on switching back even if you had switched.

I figured. So you can't exactly try to pin it on me then for "not switching"
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:07 PM   #325
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Ditto. Fun game clap. Nice to be a living wolf at the end for once...
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:09 PM   #326
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Hard to comment on the balance, any game where the BG and seer are gone day 1 is gonna be tough for the villagers to win.

Yup, this is what I was going to say.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:10 PM   #327
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We felt pretty confident about today.

We had PF pinned as the duke since he voted with us to create a tie and he didn't much care.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:12 PM   #328
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Yup, this is what I was going to say.
Fun times

yeah. I can't believe that day 1 move actualy worked.

I had EF pinned as a vanilla villager so I figured why not take a shot at JAckal. Lucky for us it worked.

Then the night we killed Render he scanned me, so if we don't kill him I am outed.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:12 PM   #329
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thanks for running the game Clap.

Hard to comment on the balance, any game where the BG and seer are gone day 1 is gonna be tough for the villagers to win.


I think the deadline made it hard for alot of people to be active near the deadline


yeah, and i set it here exactly for that reason
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:00 PM   #330
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yeah. I can't believe that day 1 move actualy worked.

I had EF pinned as a vanilla villager so I figured why not take a shot at JAckal. Lucky for us it worked.

Then the night we killed Render he scanned me, so if we don't kill him I am outed.

So I was right about your day one strategy. At least I feel a little better about my villager role now that I know I was close to what was going on. I think I made too many waves for my own good though.
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:03 PM   #331
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I figured. So you can't exactly try to pin it on me then for "not switching"

My timing was just a bit off. I thought I had waited long enough to post the switch but I just missed, giving Lathum enough time to switch back. If this had worked, and I wasn't night killed, I was definitely going after Lathum next.
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:03 PM   #332
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I loath Lathum.
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:04 PM   #333
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I loath Lathum.

Me too...
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:20 PM   #334
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I maintain that frequently the best duke move is to Duke Day 1. Day 1 generally results in senseless death, but at least this way you get the start of a CoT out there with hopefully the seer and BG still in play, and more inviting targets.
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:54 PM   #335
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I maintain that frequently the best duke move is to Duke Day 1. Day 1 generally results in senseless death, but at least this way you get the start of a CoT out there with hopefully the seer and BG still in play, and more inviting targets.

I will remember that for next time, thanks.
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:49 PM   #336
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:55 PM   #337
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someone commented... but Im pretty sure all the Villegar pms said villegar!
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:24 PM   #338
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That sucks, though good to see I voted a wolf with every one of my votes though. I really thought there was only one wolf left, but if there was two I figured it was Jeheinz/Lathum
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:29 PM   #339
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We had this too, after lynching Jeheinz Lathum was the obvious choice to finish up the game. Dang
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:54 PM   #340
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I maintain that frequently the best duke move is to Duke Day 1. Day 1 generally results in senseless death, but at least this way you get the start of a CoT out there with hopefully the seer and BG still in play, and more inviting targets.

The only caveat I would say to that is don't announce that you are doing it. Suprise everyone with it, so at least you have some vote history at some point from day 1 (even if you don't get it necessarily for the next day)
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:42 AM   #341
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We had this too, after lynching Jeheinz Lathum was the obvious choice to finish up the game. Dang

If I could have just waited another 30 seconds before changing my vote back...
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:14 AM   #342
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Too bad it didn't work out for us. Glad I was right about heinze.

Interesting play by Lathum on Day One to be "too obvious" to be a wolf. Good move. Worked on me.

I do think this one was pretty stacked against the villagers. That's not to say we couldn't win, as there were definitely things we could have done better, but I have laways been a proponent of 5:1 or so for villagers to wolves. So we would need to have more than 12 players to get a third wolf.

But I still had a good time, and I am glad Hannibal ran it.

Incidentally, PF, in case you're wondering what my hunch on you was, you checked in with I R Villegar. That right away told me you were a villager, because I got the same sort of message (UR Villegar). It was more the Catz-ish "I R" then the mispelling of Villegar.
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:55 AM   #343
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Incidentally, PF, in case you're wondering what my hunch on you was, you checked in with I R Villegar. That right away told me you were a villager, because I got the same sort of message (UR Villegar). It was more the Catz-ish "I R" then the mispelling of Villegar.

ugh, I hate that sort of stuff.

Just a heads up to HL and any other GM's, it is always a good idea to send an extremly generic villager PM or better yet post in the game thread what the villager PM says. We have had games ruined in the past because of all the villagers getting the same exact PM and the wolves NOT getting that PM< so when they all "checked in" it became obvious quickly.
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:22 AM   #344
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Haha - that is pretty funny, CR. Since I wasn't vanilla, I received a different PM than that - and hadn't even thought of that when I posted. Glad to know I can subconsciously clear myself in your mind though
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:27 PM   #345
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I actually knew the villegar thing, since I got 2 PM's due to the false start.
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:28 PM   #346
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And that's why I was down to kill hoops right away. Seemed like a hoops-ish thing to post the villegar thing that he saw in the first PM, then have a role in the 2nd one.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:57 PM   #347
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Had no idea that there was a common typo across all of them when I posted it - I was just looking to make fun of our moderator and his top-flight spelling skills.

Most of the time I'm not being deceptive; I just seem to be perceived that way
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:32 PM   #348
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RendeR, I remember what I wanted to ask. Who did you scan night one? I couldn't find any clues to who that might have been.
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:42 PM   #349
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Guessing that with no D1 vote there was no scan order. If there was a hint in there I missed it when reading through posts.
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Old 12-17-2008, 12:24 AM   #350
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I think he told me in AIM he scanned Hoops
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