WW United -- GAME OVER

[lerriuqs]

As of 647:

Lerriuqs 2 - LSG (590), Lorena (603), The Jackal (640)
The Jackal 2 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635), GoldenEagle (638)
Darth Villus 1 - Lathum (627)

[KWhit]

Day 1:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The match is a tough affair – the squad falls 0-1 early, but a late goal equalizes, and the match ends in a 1-1 draw. Man of the Match is Darth Vilus. The squad will feel they might have scored more goals, if not for J23, who would not recognize the great game by Darth, and took too many shots himself.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
2. Alan T, Center Back, 81
3. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
4. Schmidty, Center Midfielder, 54
5. DaddyTorgo, Full Back, 52
6. JAG, Winger, 28
7. Mia Ow, Winger, 28
8. claphamsa, Winger, 24
9. Lathum, Center Back, 22
10. The Jackal, Goalkeeper, 15
11. J23, Striker, 14

Bench players:

1. LoneStarGirl, 62
2. PurdueBrad, 48
3. Chief Rum, 46
4. Telle, 45
5. GoldenEagle, 43

Total: 633
Result: Draw
Points: 1

Day 2:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Another bore draw for WW United. Poor Goalkeeping seems to be the squad’s new trademark, as Telle lets in a couple questionable goals. The squad bounces back from 2-0 to draw the match at 2-2 in the end. Man of the Match is Schmidty. While in Game 1, LoneStarGirl was considered to be a real hero coming off the bench, she seemed lost out there as a starter in the central midfield.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Schmidty, Winger, 94
2. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
3. Alan T, Center Back, 81
4. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
5. DaddyTorgo, Central Midfielder, 41
6. PurdueBrad, Center Back, 31
7. Telle, Goalkeeper, 17
8. claphamsa, Winger, 14
9. Lathum, Striker, 12
10. LoneStarGirl, Central Midfielder, 8

Bench players:

1. GoldenEagle, 59
2. Mia Ow, 58
3. J23, 48
4. JAG, 40

Total: 622
Result: Draw
Points: 2

Pass. What's the deal with GE's average skill level? Is it 43 or 59?

[J23]

Wow, 10 posts since I typed that up (damn phone calls). Might have to re-think my vote if we're in run-off mode.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Alan T

You were a bench player yesterday and wern't listed among the higher scorers for an average there either right?

It could be said that you got the unlucky die rolls for all or most of your positions right? Obviously that has nothing to do with your being a wolf or not however, just less risk if we are wrong with you than if we were wrong with lerriuqs correct?

It's possible there is less risk with me, I really don't know how the random numbers work. It could be that I'm an incredible striker and haven't been employed in that area yet.

[KWhit]

Lerriuqs has been a decent player for us, starting at Fullback with a skill level of 65. Not great, but better than most of you schlubs. Without compelling evidence to vote for him (which I haven't seen any of), I will place my vote elsewhere.

Vote The Jackal

[The Jackal]

But I mean if we're looking at numbers - clap has been a 24 and 14, Telle just as bad as I (and she missed a vote and has barely said anything), Lathum a 22 and 12, JAG a 28 and 40 .. I'm not the only one who's been performing poorly.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Alan has been on me since day 1. You may have mentioned me first this morning, but definitely not first. Why are you after me, then? I'm only on you because of self-defense, obviously.

Well, the way I look at it, IMO, there's at least one wolf right in the middle of the vote on Martin and GE from the first two days. I picked you. Though I can certainly be convinced to change my vote at this point.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Alan has been on me since day 1.

Eh, I don't want my place mis-represented here. I haven't been on you since day 1 I don't think at least. (Did I vote you day 1? I thought I voted MartinD?) Day 2, it was more I just was going on a gut feeling, and it wasn't anything that I pushed anyone else to go with.

Today I'm considering voting for you since I haven't seen anything else I like just as much or more. I haven't voted yet and am considering my choices. You keep saying that there is no proof against you though, but if there was proof or reason to vote for anyone, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. You just may very well have drawn the short stick is all, unless there is some convincing that someone can do to point me elsewhere.

Anyhows, people voting for you aren't voting "with me". I haven't voted yet and haven't honestly fully made up my mind.

[KWhit]

Also, Pass:

I should have gotten info for The Jackal as a bench player on day 2.

[lerriuqs]

Fixed 651

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

As of 647:

Lerriuqs 3 - LSG (590), Lorena (603), The Jackal (640)
The Jackal 3 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635), GoldenEagle (638)
Darth Villus 1 - Lathum (627)

And updated...

Lerriuqs 3 - LSG (590), Lorena (603), The Jackal (640)
The Jackal 3 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635), GoldenEagle (638)
Darth Villus 2 - Lathum (627), J23 (648)

[claphamsa]

wow, yalls start talking as soon as I start working.....

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by J23

Wow, 10 posts since I typed that up (damn phone calls). Might have to re-think my vote if we're in run-off mode.

I don't think we're in run off territory yet. We have three very close together right now...

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Day 1:



Day 2:




Pass. What's the deal with GE's average skill level? Is it 43 or 59?

I believe Pass said my skill was averaged incorrectly and this is actually a 59.

[The Jackal]

I mentioned those last two names on purpose (Lathum and JAG). I might as well reveal now, as I actually might have to step out for a bit - I should be around to answer some questions before deadline though.

I'm the Wanderer. On night 1 I followed Lathum (why not, right?). Night 2 I followed JAG (some of his posts were striking me as odd, framed as helpful like when he's been a villager in the past, but they didn't feel right), though I'm kind of regretting not following GE. Both Lathum and JAG turned up not werewolves. Sorry that I didn't catch anyone, but at least those two are cleared in the open.

I didn't want to reveal, but y'all aren't giving me much of a choice.

[lerriuqs]

As of 662
Lerriuqs 3 - LSG (590), Lorena (603), The Jackal (640)
The Jackal 3 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635), GoldenEagle (638), KWhit (655)
Darth Villus 2 - Lathum (627), J23 (648)

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Eh, I don't want my place mis-represented here. I haven't been on you since day 1 I don't think at least. (Did I vote you day 1? I thought I voted MartinD?) Day 2, it was more I just was going on a gut feeling, and it wasn't anything that I pushed anyone else to go with.

Today I'm considering voting for you since I haven't seen anything else I like just as much or more. I haven't voted yet and am considering my choices. You keep saying that there is no proof against you though, but if there was proof or reason to vote for anyone, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. You just may very well have drawn the short stick is all, unless there is some convincing that someone can do to point me elsewhere.

Anyhows, people voting for you aren't voting "with me". I haven't voted yet and haven't honestly fully made up my mind.

Sorry, didn't mean to mis-represent. You did vote Martin as far as I can recall, but you were talking about your gut feeling on me very early on. And I know that people have a strong tendency to follow your gut, even if they won't claim it as a reason, as it is normally very good (see Danny).

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't have much of a read on Darth since this is the first game I am playing in with him. He had a solid game as seer last game and has mentioned it in a joking sort af way.

That's all fine and good with me, but I am wondering if he is trying to make it seem like we need to keep him around because of his solid play from last game.

Plus it seems like he and Danny have had no interaction while Danny was alive, after having a decent amount last game, maybe they are trying to stay clear of each other?

Actually, Danny responded to a post of his on D1, but Danny was also pretty much absent from the thread until near deadline.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I mentioned those last two names on purpose (Lathum and JAG). I might as well reveal now, as I actually might have to step out for a bit - I should be around to answer some questions before deadline though.

I'm the Wanderer. On night 1 I followed Lathum (why not, right?). Night 2 I followed JAG (some of his posts were striking me as odd, framed as helpful like when he's been a villager in the past, but they didn't feel right), though I'm kind of regretting not following GE. Both Lathum and JAG turned up not werewolves. Sorry that I didn't catch anyone, but at least those two are cleared in the open.

I didn't want to reveal, but y'all aren't giving me much of a choice.

Jackal, I'm willing to move and do think I believe you, but I'm going to wait just a bit to see if we have a counter reveal...

[The Jackal]

KWhit - I didn't tell you about my role during our PMs because I wasn't fully sure you weren't corruptable.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

KWhit - I didn't tell you about my role during our PMs because I wasn't fully sure you weren't corruptable.

really?

I am suddenly very confidednt of my vote!

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Jackal, I'm willing to move and do think I believe you, but I'm going to wait just a bit to see if we have a counter reveal...

Yeah, I left a little time on purpose for a counter-reveal to see if a wolf would be flushed out, but that'd probably only be the case if you or Darth are wolves.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

KWhit - I didn't tell you about my role during our PMs because I wasn't fully sure you weren't corruptable.

That makes no sense at all. It has been known since the beginning that KWhit is the team manager. You have a great reason to PM with the manager and let him know you are the seer so that he can help protect you and you failed to do so.

It seems to me that you are conversing with the other wolves and they saw that you had exposed yourself and told you to correct it.

I am not inclined to lynch you at this moment, but stuff is just not adding up.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'll say that I'm inclined to follow Lathum, if anyone.

This makes me scratch my head a little.

First off why follow me more than anyone else?

It's almost as if you are trying to connect you and I somehow. Is it because you are a wolf and if you go down you want people to lok at me next?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

really?

I am suddenly very confidednt of my vote!

Yes, really. We don't know anything about what roles the wolves can have - and I didn't want to throw away my role just in case that was a possibility.

I'm feeling worse and worse about you, clap.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This makes me scratch my head a little.

First off why follow me more than anyone else?

It's almost as if you are trying to connect you and I somehow. Is it because you are a wolf and if you go down you want people to lok at me next?

I only said that because I know you are good, Lathum.

[JAG]

Well that sucks even if it clears me.

[KWhit]

Pass, help me out.

Here's my game 2 lineup. That matches what I have in my PM to you, so we're good there.

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You gather round as KWhit reveals his lineup for today's match. Maybe with one match under his belt, he'll have the experience he needs to get you a win?

*Starters:*
1 Goalkeeper - Telle
2 Center Backs - AlanT, PurdueBrad
2 Full Backs - Schmidty, lerriuqs
2 Central Midfielders - DaddyTorgo, LoneStarGirl
2 Wingers - Chief Rum, Claphamsa
2 Strikers - Darth Vilus, Lathum

*Bench:*
JAG
Mia Ow
J23
The Jackal
Golden Eagle

But then there's this, which seems to say that Schmidty played at winger (I had him listed at fullback). I already mentioned that I'm missing the average result for The Jackal, and my confusion regarding GE's average score. Can you clear these discrepancies up for me?

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Another bore draw for WW United. Poor Goalkeeping seems to be the squad’s new trademark, as Telle lets in a couple questionable goals. The squad bounces back from 2-0 to draw the match at 2-2 in the end. Man of the Match is Schmidty. While in Game 1, LoneStarGirl was considered to be a real hero coming off the bench, she seemed lost out there as a starter in the central midfield.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Schmidty, Winger, 94
2. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
3. Alan T, Center Back, 81
4. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
5. DaddyTorgo, Central Midfielder, 41
6. PurdueBrad, Center Back, 31
7. Telle, Goalkeeper, 17
8. claphamsa, Winger, 14
9. Lathum, Striker, 12
10. LoneStarGirl, Central Midfielder, 8

Bench players:

1. GoldenEagle, 59
2. Mia Ow, 58
3. J23, 48
4. JAG, 40

Total: 622
Result: Draw
Points: 2

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

That makes no sense at all. It has been known since the beginning that KWhit is the team manager. You have a great reason to PM with the manager and let him know you are the seer so that he can help protect you and you failed to do so.

It seems to me that you are conversing with the other wolves and they saw that you had exposed yourself and told you to correct it.

I am not inclined to lynch you at this moment, but stuff is just not adding up.

I know, I was probably being over-careful in that regard. I told KWhit that it probably wouldn't hurt to tell him if I had a role, but at that point I was still worried. I wanted to lay low, and also, if KWhit was in the thread covering for me - that would have been a HUGE sign for the wolves to pick me off.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Yes, really. We don't know anything about what roles the wolves can have - and I didn't want to throw away my role just in case that was a possibility.

I'm feeling worse and worse about you, clap.

Pass specifically said earlier that he never has conversions in his games FYI.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Yes, really. We don't know anything about what roles the wolves can have - and I didn't want to throw away my role just in case that was a possibility.

I'm feeling worse and worse about you, clap.

you can feel as bad about me as you want, but your wolf ass needs to get lynched, and go read the last game if you wanna see how to fake reveal!

[claphamsa]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT REVEAL BACK! WEVE CAUGHT A WOLF HES TRYING TO GET YOU TO REVEAL!

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I know, I was probably being over-careful in that regard. I told KWhit that it probably wouldn't hurt to tell him if I had a role, but at that point I was still worried. I wanted to lay low, and also, if KWhit was in the thread covering for me - that would have been a HUGE sign for the wolves to pick me off.

This makes sense to me.

Jackal, I'm inclined to believe you. We have an hour until deadline, so I'm going to try to take this in a different route. Someone who has been uncharacteristically quiet. I know he doesn't talk a lot, but he does more than I've seen this game.

Unvote Jackal

Vote Daddytorgo

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by JAG

Pass specifically said earlier that he never has conversions in his games FYI.

I missed that - but we can't lynch KWhit anyways, can we? So a conversion in this case may have just been to try and play the crappiest roster possible. It was a mistake on my part maybe to not confide in KWhit, but again, I didn't want him to be covering for me in the thread.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I only said that because I know you are good, Lathum.

Yeah, I hadn't gotten to your reveal yet.

I think it is pretty early for a reveal, but unless it is countered there is no reason to lynch you today.

Leaving in a few and I think my vote stays on Darth.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

KWhit - I didn't tell you about my role during our PMs because I wasn't fully sure you weren't corruptable.

Wow. Can't say that makes any sense at all.

Pass specifically said he never has any conversions in his games.

(Although now that I think about it, I don't know exactly when he said that). I may have to go back and check that.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sorry, The Jackal -- you were on the bench, contributing 46.

KWhit, here you go.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Day 1:



Day 2:




Pass. What's the deal with GE's average skill level? Is it 43 or 59?

There's a post that clears it up, but rather than find it, I'll just tell you -- it's 59. I messed it up the first time, but it shouldn't have affected anything.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Also, Pass:

I should have gotten info for The Jackal as a bench player on day 2.

Whoops. The Jackal's bench score is 46.

[The Jackal]

I'll take that bit of good faith from you and move to the other candidate who's on the radar.

unvote lerriuqs

vote darth

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

This makes sense to me.

Jackal, I'm inclined to believe you. We have an hour until deadline, so I'm going to try to take this in a different route. Someone who has been uncharacteristically quiet. I know he doesn't talk a lot, but he does more than I've seen this game.

Unvote Jackal

Vote Daddytorgo

wait what? jackyl fake revelaed trying to get the wanderer (whatever that is)

then he got caught lying about talking to kwit, and you unvote him?

[GoldenEagle]

Still an an hour and 15 minutes to go to the deadline and things are flying.

My initial thought is to take my vote off of The Jackal and then see if he is still here tomorrow.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Wow. Can't say that makes any sense at all.

Pass specifically said he never has any conversions in his games.

(Although now that I think about it, I don't know exactly when he said that). I may have to go back and check that.

Yeah, JAG just pointed that out as well. I was being foolish, I admit it, but I haven't been the seer in so long that I didn't want something that simple to ruin it - and if I'd told you and Alan had pushed harder for voting me on Day 2 and you'd jumped to my defense after we were able to PM - big sign for the wolves. Unfortunately I ended up having to come out this early anyways, but that's what happens sometimes.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

wait what? jackyl fake revelaed trying to get the wanderer (whatever that is)

then he got caught lying about talking to kwit, and you unvote him?

I did offer that message to KWhit before he said anything, you realize. I've been thinking about it the whole game. It's not like he called me out on it.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Pass, help me out.

Here's my game 2 lineup. That matches what I have in my PM to you, so we're good there.




But then there's this, which seems to say that Schmidty played at winger (I had him listed at fullback). I already mentioned that I'm missing the average result for The Jackal, and my confusion regarding GE's average score. Can you clear these discrepancies up for me?

Geez -- I can't believe the number of mistakes I'm making here! Sorry about that! Schmidty did actually play as a full back, and I just typed in the wrong word.

[KWhit]

No problem. Thanks for the info.

[The Jackal]

I have to step out, will try to make it quick. Should be back by 2:30ish.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

wait what? jackyl fake revelaed trying to get the wanderer (whatever that is)

then he got caught lying about talking to kwit, and you unvote him?

Clap-

There is no reason to lynch Jackal today. With the BG gone the wolfs will undoubtedly kill him tonight.

If he is alive tomorrow he is obviously lying and we lynch him then.

Killing Jackal is a poor move for us IMO, we are giving the wolves a free kill. If we kill JAckal today it gives the wolves a shot at another villager tonight.

If we go elsewhere with our lynch today we have a shot at a wolf even if Jackal is lying and is a wolf there are still probably 2 more out there.

[KWhit]

Okay. I'm inclined to move my vote off The Jackal. I don't necessarily believe him, but if he's lying it will come out eventually.

If he is lying, I DO NOT think it's a good idea for the real seer to reveal today. Wait until you have to reveal or until you have nabbed a wolf or cleared a lot of villagers, whatever. But we can put off voting for The Jackal today - even if he's lying.

The truth will come out eventually. He'll either wind up dead by wolves (if he's the real seer), or if he's lying the real seer can reveal later on and we nab Jackal then.

Unvote The Jackal.

[Passacaglia]

Here's my vote count (note that an earlier vote count by lerriuqs had a counting mistake):

lerriuqs 2 -- LoneStarGirl (590) Lorena (603)
GoldenEagle 0 --
Darth Vilus 3 -- Lathum (627) J23 (648) The Jackal (689)
The Jackal 2 -- claphamsa (635) GoldenEagle (638)
DaddyTorgo 1 -- lerriuqs (682)

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Clap-

There is no reason to lynch Jackal today. With the BG gone the wolfs will undoubtedly kill him tonight.

If he is alive tomorrow he is obviously lying and we lynch him then.

Killing Jackal is a poor move for us IMO, we are giving the wolves a free kill. If we kill JAckal today it gives the wolves a shot at another villager tonight.

If we go elsewhere with our lynch today we have a shot at a wolf even if Jackal is lying and is a wolf there are still probably 2 more out there.

hmmm, interesting.....