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Old 06-30-2006, 09:28 AM   #1
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PureSim Baseball 2007 for $14.99

Hi guys, I have been on vacation all week, so I'm not sure how much this has been discussed, but the guys at Matrix are doing a pretty cool 2 week promotion offering PureSim 2007 for just $14.99. That is a pretty sweet deal -- PureSim for the price of a beer and a pretzel at Fenway

Anyway the promo starts at midnight tonight and runs for 2 weeks, so if you have been on the fence with PureSim, this may be the time to pull the trigger.

Sorry for the shameless promotional tone here, but I wanted to be sure to get the word out...

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Old 06-30-2006, 09:30 AM   #2
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Old 06-30-2006, 09:45 AM   #3
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Old 06-30-2006, 09:46 AM   #4
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more publicity is never bad though shaun
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Old 06-30-2006, 10:06 AM   #5
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Old 06-30-2006, 10:07 AM   #6
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Old 06-30-2006, 10:08 AM   #7
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Old 06-30-2006, 10:09 AM   #8
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Old 06-30-2006, 10:36 AM   #9
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man we should just all be hanging out at sportsdigs!

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Old 06-30-2006, 12:39 PM   #10
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Its tricky to lower the price, there is always a risk of alienating a customer who made a recent purchase. It is for this very reason that we announced the upcoming promotion in advance. There is really no perfect way to do a price break without it miffing someone. I'll talk with the Matrix guys when they get back from the Origins conference and we'll be sure to look at cases where folks purchased right before the announcement. In the past we have addressed these situations on a case by case basis, and the Matrix guys are super customer-focused so I'm sure we'll make good in cases where you feel you got a raw deal. The very fact that Matrix let me give PureSim 2005 Gold edition free to all existing PS 2005 customers was enough to convince me how serious the company is about customer support.

I still feel at $29.99 the game is a good value and at $14.99 I pretty much don't even make any money. The game is not selling anywhere near my goals, so hopefully this promo will get the word out. I'm pretty bummed out about sales right now -- I was really hoping this would be the breakout year for PureSim, but it just hasn't happened. Maybe there is just too much competition in such a niche genre...

If you haven't purchased yet, make sure you do so in the 2 week time window starting at midnight tonight. After 7/14 the price will be going back up to $29.99.
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:53 PM   #11
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You mean there are people who are whining that they bought the game right before the discout was announced?

Tough shit.
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Old 06-30-2006, 02:28 PM   #12
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Shaun for what it's worth I bought all three games and yours at full price. I'll probably eventually get to it and hopefully enjoy it.

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Old 06-30-2006, 05:03 PM   #13
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Keep the faith Shaun, you have a great game there!!
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Old 06-30-2006, 05:15 PM   #14
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yeah, Shaun. I think once 7/14 has come and go, I'll "lose" my beta serial again and be *gasp* forced to buy the game
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Old 06-30-2006, 05:17 PM   #15
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Sorry to hear that sales haven't been up to your expectations. FWIW, I bought at full price...every little bit helps
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Old 06-30-2006, 05:36 PM   #16
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Player development during the season and you have my $$$.
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Old 07-01-2006, 07:55 AM   #17
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Shaun, keep up the hard work. With OOTP's bump in the road, you'll definitely be getting a good shot at some big sales next year... imo
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Old 07-01-2006, 08:22 AM   #18
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One has to wonder how much Matrix's handling of M-F has effected sales...
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Old 07-01-2006, 10:14 AM   #19
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One has to wonder how much Matrix's handling of M-F has effected sales...

I thought that as well. I wonder how many more games Shaun has sold solo vs signing with Matrix?
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Old 07-01-2006, 10:47 AM   #20
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One has to wonder how much Matrix's handling of M-F has effected sales...

Yeah, it makes me leary to buy, knowing that at least some of my cash goes to those jack-a-lopes.
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Old 07-01-2006, 11:03 AM   #21
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I didn't really follow the MF situation closely, but what I can say is the Matrix guys have been super to me. I have 100% creative control, set all deadlines, run all betas etc. They provide me with bandwidth, FTP space, marketing and support.

PureSim 2007 is selling better than any other version -- I think I may have had a little overzealous expectations sales-wise.
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Old 07-01-2006, 02:04 PM   #22
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$15?

That's a bargain up the butt I say.

Have had it for a while now and love it. $15 is insane, is Matrix run by a used car salesman with a wacky name and wacky commercials?
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Old 07-01-2006, 03:17 PM   #23
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Sometimes I just don't get people buying games. Are you telling there's a difference, from a buyer's perspective, between $15 and $30?!?!? That's a $15 difference which is the price of one and half movies, a case of beer or a half to a third a tank of gas. Most of us waste that much in a short amount of time and we quibble over a relatively few dollars for something that potentially give us comparatively much more in return?
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Old 07-01-2006, 04:05 PM   #24
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Sometimes I just don't get people buying games. Are you telling there's a difference, from a buyer's perspective, between $15 and $30?!?!? That's a $15 difference which is the price of one and half movies, a case of beer or a half to a third a tank of gas. Most of us waste that much in a short amount of time and we quibble over a relatively few dollars for something that potentially give us comparatively much more in return?

Well, it's a 50% savings. And some of us don't go to movies that often, don't drink, and don't drive to work every day. I'm not saying that $15 is going to break my bank, but I can see paying only $15 for a game (50% off) that's had such great reviews, even if I'm not interested in baseball, is pretty tempting.
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Old 07-01-2006, 04:09 PM   #25
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Old 07-01-2006, 04:18 PM   #26
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I purchased it as well. I'd been meaning to grab this one for a while. First two thoughts are quite positive:

1. Sim is definitely running faster than the last time I tried it. It is now definitely feasible to play my style (sim for solid history overnight to start the league, then sim a month at a time).

2. Dat HTML output look so good...

Looking forward to diving into the guts of this one at some point in the near future.

Quick question: what league customization abilities are there? Can I tweak stats to my liking, get 10-15 CG's from the best SP's, etc.?
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Old 07-01-2006, 04:26 PM   #27
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I've finished my yard work and been grocery shopping. I've got nothing to do until later tonight, so I've taken the plunge.

Sounds like a good idea
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Old 07-01-2006, 04:30 PM   #28
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I have been looking at this for a while as well, and this was the right time to give it a whirl. I really like the integrated Lahman DB.
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Old 07-01-2006, 04:33 PM   #29
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I didn't really follow the MF situation closely, but what I can say is the Matrix guys have been super to me. I have 100% creative control, set all deadlines, run all betas etc. They provide me with bandwidth, FTP space, marketing and support.

PureSim 2007 is selling better than any other version -- I think I may have had a little overzealous expectations sales-wise.


All the more reason why MF failed so bad and why Puresim is a great game. When you put an incompetent person in charge of everything Shaun mentions above (ie. Daivd Winters) you get a disaster. When you give these resources to Shaun he prospers (relative speaking) and puts out a great product.

I mean can anyone imagine the response if Shaun said that if you want to hit more home runs or have men go from 1st to 3rd on a hit to the outfield you need a more powerful computer to boost the frame rates?

Great Game Shaun. I hope you are able to continue to do what you want.
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Old 07-01-2006, 05:08 PM   #30
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I am not a big follower of baseball and don't really know very much about it, but over the last couple of months have been slowly getting ore interested in it, even watching a couple of whole games on TV. I was considering getting OOTP2006, but after he debacle of release I'll wait on that and try out the demo of the patch they relesae before going any firther. I did download OOTP5 though and played a few seasons out and it was pretty fun overall, but a bit unsatisfying in the end. So basically I guess I want to ask a couple of questions:

1. It seems from browsing the website etc. that the big draw for Puresim is historical play. As someone who doesn't know anything about baseball history I'm not interested in that. Is the game still good for playing with fictional players in a modern envioremnt?

2. Is Puresim really so much better than OOTP5 that it's worth buying for a non-baseball guy like myself?
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Old 07-01-2006, 05:39 PM   #31
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1. It seems from browsing the website etc. that the big draw for Puresim is historical play. As someone who doesn't know anything about baseball history I'm not interested in that. Is the game still good for playing with fictional players in a modern envioremnt?

I've bought and played several versions of the game and would say that playing a fictional league is its strongest point.

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2. Is Puresim really so much better than OOTP5 that it's worth buying for a non-baseball guy like myself?

I would say they are two different playing expierences (about as different as two baseball sims can be, that is). I've bought and played both series and have always had more fun with Puresim when playing fictional leagues. OOTP was always my stop when playing historical replays. So if you are more interested in fictional leagues with fictional players, Puresim will probably be more for you.

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Old 07-01-2006, 06:27 PM   #32
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I purchased it as well. I'd been meaning to grab this one for a while. First two thoughts are quite positive:

1. Sim is definitely running faster than the last time I tried it. It is now definitely feasible to play my style (sim for solid history overnight to start the league, then sim a month at a time).

2. Dat HTML output look so good...

Looking forward to diving into the guts of this one at some point in the near future.

Quick question: what league customization abilities are there? Can I tweak stats to my liking, get 10-15 CG's from the best SP's, etc.?

From what I have done with tweaking things, yes it is responsive. I did very little tweaking with homeruns and K's and noticed a difference (went from 50 to 55 for each). It wasn't huge, but that was what I was going for.

Also, I am just now getting out of the deadball era, and started to get a little worried that the engine was not going to adjust (the reason I tweaked homers up above). But with this career the deadball era just lasted a little longer I guess (1927 season the league leader had 25 HRs, and since about the early 20's it has been going up). I am starting to think about running another career and see if the automatic adjustment will differ from game to game. I am doing a fictional league BTW.

I still get 10-15 CGs for the league leaders at this point too. I am not sure what the number will be for a present day game though, and how much to move the sliders.

Also, I recommend that anyone who buys this, get the latest beta patchfrom the PureSim board. I believe you still get version 1.1 when you buy the game. The next official patch, 1.2 is out soon I think. But the beta patches are pretty stable, I have not had a single problem with 1.8, and they have added/fixed some things that will make the game even better for you.
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Old 07-01-2006, 06:31 PM   #33
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Dola- forgot about game customization abilities. What exactly are you looking for? You can pick league size, schedule length, and stuff like that.
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Old 07-01-2006, 06:35 PM   #34
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$15?

That's a bargain up the butt I say.
I agree...I bought it when it came out and it hasn't disappointed me. Fine product from Shaun.
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Old 07-01-2006, 09:05 PM   #35
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Puresim was built FOR fictional play.
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Old 07-02-2006, 08:51 AM   #36
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Puresim was built FOR fictional play.

I agree that it was, but based on what I read now it seems that more people actually enjoy historical play with it.
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:44 AM   #37
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I agree that it was, but based on what I read now it seems that more people actually enjoy historical play with it.

I like fictional play a lot, and my current 30 year long career is fictional, and I think it is great for it. With that said, my first career I started was historical, and I went about 13-15 years with it (the first 5 simmed). I was having just as much fun with that career though and am thinking I may go back to another historical game in a month or so.
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I agree that it was, but based on what I read now it seems that more people actually enjoy historical play with it.

No doubt. Shaun's definitly made some major improvements to the historical aspect of his sim.
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Old 07-02-2006, 10:09 AM   #39
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Wow. $15?

Sold.
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Old 07-02-2006, 12:16 PM   #40
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Yeah, I picked a copy of it up as well. Played with it for a couple hours this morning, I can see what some folks are saying about the stats, but I think it seems pretty fun. Manager mode is pretty good, especially with the location of the ball being shown, although it does seem a little wonky at times.

I probably also will run a historical league, jumping in to manage a few games every now and again.
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Old 07-02-2006, 01:57 PM   #41
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Stupid question but ... I've currently got the demo installed, so I'm wondering if I should uninstall it or anything before purchasing from the website link to the online store?
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Stupid question but ... I've currently got the demo installed, so I'm wondering if I should uninstall it or anything before purchasing from the website link to the online store?


yes

Unistall the demo first.

Then install when you purchase and get the latest beta patch 1.18 too.
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Old 07-02-2006, 02:27 PM   #43
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Make a football game. While baseball is good football and to a lesser extent basketball appeals to me. My business program would like EWR... release a free version... then improve on that and sale it for 34.99. I wouldn't spend time on graphics as much as I would spend time on making everything play right. Hmm... I think I am griping sorry.
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Old 07-02-2006, 08:30 PM   #44
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well i just bought it and the price drop was definitely the reason if not simply from the unintended marketing on this site letting me know about it, again.
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Old 07-02-2006, 08:38 PM   #45
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These FOFC threads (and the price drop) and the fact the OOTP2006 appears combursome, by reading various threads on this site and others, will probably lead to me buying this game in the morning.

I assume that there's mods out there that have a 2006 roster? Logos included?
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:00 PM   #46
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Capital, check out my site.. Lots of good stuff, including a 2006 roster, although it's NOT perfect. I'm better at logos and ballparks than I am at rosters.

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These FOFC threads (and the price drop) and the fact the OOTP2006 appears combursome, by reading various threads on this site and others, will probably lead to me buying this game in the morning.

I assume that there's mods out there that have a 2006 roster? Logos included?
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:00 PM   #47
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i signed up for Matrix Games members club to get some of the addons and, while they said they emailed me my password, I did not get it...including my second attempt. hmmmmmm, Shaun?
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:01 PM   #48
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Capital, check out my site.. Lots of good stuff, including a 2006 roster, although it's NOT perfect. I'm better at logos and ballparks than I am at rosters.

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awesome....who needs membership!!
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:29 PM   #49
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for some reason i remember puresim's financial model being off...is that the case?
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:32 PM   #50
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for some reason i remember puresim's financial model being off...is that the case?


Not for $14.99
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