LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by saldana

i wonder if having me guard the pens will keep them inside?

I think your guarding them is night time only action and only prevents spawn damage to them right? You can try and see if it is also allowed during the day if you want.. but my understanding is that it is just a random roll with a small chance of riot (since we had damage alot last game without a riot).. so unless our luck is crappy we hopefully won't have another riot.

[Passacaglia]

And I meant I'm cool with making the brig a low priority. We've got more cleared than we can fit in there anyway, so the spawn can attack someone cleared if they want to.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Also no phaser fixing yet until cargo hold is fixed.. we may need all of that crystlium if we can't get the cargo hold fixed in time.

Well, we need to research it first anyway, and that takes 2 cycles. LSG and I can both do 1, so if there is nothing else for us to do, we can do that today so we can repair them at a later date.

[jeheinz72]

Frankly, Danny not waiting is suspicious, IMO. I don't see why he put that order in (not that I see why the first 3 people did, but I at least posted the wait idea after they already had)

Scanning Danny should be creeping up on the priority list of the doc's.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Well, looks like I"m not that foolish for waiting on my order to repair the water...

We've got 5 units headed already to water (assuming no fakies). So I can either

A) Finish off the water repairs
B) Get us nearly done on the slave pens (1 left then)
C) Get us to two left on the Cargo Hold or Security HQ

Thoughts?

If you are the only engineer available, slave pen is worthless.. they'll either still be in there tonight for me to kill them or they won't and we will have other problems.

We need the cargo hold fixed tonight so crystlium doesn't leak out plus we can get one more day worth of water from it.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Well, we need to research it first anyway, and that takes 2 cycles. LSG and I can both do 1, so if there is nothing else for us to do, we can do that today so we can repair them at a later date.

Sounds fine then.

[jeheinz72]

Ok, I trust Alan and his ok to do the Cargo Hold is all I need.

PM'ing BK now.

[Barkeep49]

heinz gets to work on the Cargo hold, joining his fellow engineers in mid-song.

[bulletsponge]

woot we took off, but the ship fell apart.

[Tyrith]

Brig is of significantly diminished value now, as a cleared dying is much, much better than a cleared being converted.

We'll need to both guard and fix the hold and the plant tonight. All other concerns are secondary.

[LoneStarGirl]

so everybody agreed they want packer and i to research phazers today?

[jeheinz72]

Ok, so assuming no fake-age or additional break-age, here's what we're looking at heading into the night

Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – 1
Cargo Hold - 2
Security Headquarters 3
Slave Pens – 2
Sleeping Quarters – 23

It's my understanding that clap has already put in to follow Tyrith. The question is, do we spread out, knowing that faking damage will be near impossible, or do we prioritize and over-work the key areas?

[jeheinz72]

Theoretically, we could get 3 things operational tonight (Security, Water and Hold or Pens)

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Ok, so assuming no fake-age or additional break-age, here's what we're looking at heading into the night

Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – 1
Cargo Hold - 2
Security Headquarters 3
Slave Pens – 2
Sleeping Quarters – 23

It's my understanding that clap has already put in to follow Tyrith. The question is, do we spread out, knowing that faking damage will be near impossible, or do we prioritize and over-work the key areas?

I agree with tyrith that the security HQ isn't as important now.. Security personal should probably factor in guarding the hold and the plant (Schmidty+1 other), also security needs to consider protecting or watching our doctors as well as at least for tonight me.. I don't care if I die later now we are off the planet, but i need to kill the slaves tonight, so don't let the spawn kill me tonight at least.

[Alan T]

Barkeep, I can kill the slaves as long as they are in the pens even if it has some damage right?


I need to leave now.. I'll check in at some point later when I get done travelling..

If BK's answer is the hold has to be completely repaired, then we'll need to do that + Cargo hold tonight. Good luck all!

[Tyrith]

I'd say we need to get either the water plant or the cargo hold working for sure -- my preference would be the water. And then the slave pens, and then the either of the other two things. The Security HQ guards the quarters and the pens, and the quarters are totally broke and the pens are about to be irrelevant. It loses us the brig, but that's somethign we'll have to deal with for now.

I'd say put the most trusted engineer on the Plant, but by consensus and evidence that's going to be me and that's suboptimal. So I'm not sure yet what we should do.

[Passacaglia]

I say don't the the HQ at all -- even if you guys can do more work, put it in the sleeping quarters.

[PackerFanatic]

Phazers with a z. I like it.

Let's research!

[path12]

Happy to report Marc Vaughan is human.

[LoneStarGirl]

how long will it take us to research it if we both do it today packer?

[jeheinz72]

Have I mentioned how awesome the name "Dr. 12" is?

Straight out of James Bond baby.

[Barkeep49]

The slave pens must be undamaged to kill them.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Have I mentioned how awesome the name "Dr. 12" is?

Straight out of James Bond baby.

Or House. Except that one's a chick.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

how long will it take us to research it if we both do it today packer?

Should just be today.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Or House. Except that one's a chick.

And that was 13

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I'd say we need to get either the water plant or the cargo hold working for sure -- my preference would be the water. And then the slave pens, and then the either of the other two things. The Security HQ guards the quarters and the pens, and the quarters are totally broke and the pens are about to be irrelevant. It loses us the brig, but that's somethign we'll have to deal with for now.

I'd say put the most trusted engineer on the Plant, but by consensus and evidence that's going to be me and that's suboptimal. So I'm not sure yet what we should do.

What if we do you and clap on the pens
Then 2 out of (Me, Danny, PB), or even all 3, on the cargo hold.

We'd get those 2 completely set. Then in the AM we can tackle the plant and HQ (if HQ is even needed).


Additionally, I'm going to have to put in orders in advance for Night 4 (of course) plus Day 5 and Night 5, since I won't be back online until Tuesday AM.

I hate to tail someone as well, since clap is tailing the person I'd tail if I had a choice. Maybe on both cases of Day/Night 5 I should just work on the beds?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Or House. Except that one's a chick.

I've never actually watched that show (and I hear I'm a fool for that fact).

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I've never actually watched that show (and I hear I'm a fool for that fact).

Indeed you are

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

What if we do you and clap on the pens
Then 2 out of (Me, Danny, PB), or even all 3, on the cargo hold.

We'd get those 2 completely set. Then in the AM we can tackle the plant and HQ (if HQ is even needed).


Additionally, I'm going to have to put in orders in advance for Night 4 (of course) plus Day 5 and Night 5, since I won't be back online until Tuesday AM.

I hate to tail someone as well, since clap is tailing the person I'd tail if I had a choice. Maybe on both cases of Day/Night 5 I should just work on the beds?

I prefer plant over hold, I don't think two phases of leakage is going to kill us, and in the long term the plant is going to be what we need to keep us going -- but I'm open to convincing on this point.

[Barkeep49]

Quick note on leakage: The formula involves decimals. I will not be rounding so if there is .9 leakage the full amount will still be listed, even if that's not quite accurate. However, if the next day sees 1.1 leakage 2 units will decrease. Please note that these are just samples and may or may not reflect actual leakage rates.

[path12]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Have I mentioned how awesome the name "Dr. 12" is?

Straight out of James Bond baby.

I may have to start calling myself that. The doctor is IN, baby!!

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm heading out the door at this point. My trust list was posted this morning if people are curious about my thoughts on the game while making decisions today - nothing dramatic has taken place since that time so they still hold.

I'm going to put the vote on Saldana - only because I'm not going to be able to take part in any other discussions.

10% chance of being spawn/spawnling from his 4 missions
+ standard chance of starting
= better than 50/50 shot, as far as I can tell

VOTE SALDANA

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I prefer plant over hold, I don't think two phases of leakage is going to kill us, and in the long term the plant is going to be what we need to keep us going -- but I'm open to convincing on this point.

True, we do have quite the buffer, 20 more than we need, which could be enough.

[jeheinz72]

I'm looking at my distrust list of

Saldana (for the reasons hoops mentioned)

Pass (very strange anti-Telle-lynch)

bulltsponge (for his instant follow onto MV's plan, like he wanted that to get a lot of steam to compete against Telle)

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I say don't the the HQ at all -- even if you guys can do more work, put it in the sleeping quarters.

Ummm - why? If I'm remembering correctly, when the HQ is fixed we can't access the phasers to distribute them. Wouldnt' NOT having phasers to fight/kill the slaves or spawn with be a BAD thing?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, I'm heading out the door at this point. My trust list was posted this morning if people are curious about my thoughts on the game while making decisions today - nothing dramatic has taken place since that time so they still hold.

I'm going to put the vote on Saldana - only because I'm not going to be able to take part in any other discussions.

10% chance of being spawn/spawnling from his 4 missions
+ standard chance of starting
= better than 50/50 shot, as far as I can tell

VOTE SALDANA

About a 45 percent chance by what I can calculate, although some of that is the chance he's a spawnling. I can deal with this vote, and I might follow you.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Ummm - why? If I'm remembering correctly, when the HQ is fixed we can't access the phasers to distribute them. Wouldnt' NOT having phasers to fight/kill the slaves or spawn with be a BAD thing?

Forgot about that. In my mind that doesn't change the priority list any; we need water to drink, the slaves dead, and then we can worry about attack bonuses, I think. But it's a motivation to actually do something about it eventually.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, I'm heading out the door at this point. My trust list was posted this morning if people are curious about my thoughts on the game while making decisions today - nothing dramatic has taken place since that time so they still hold.

I'm going to put the vote on Saldana - only because I'm not going to be able to take part in any other discussions.

10% chance of being spawn/spawnling from his 4 missions
+ standard chance of starting
= better than 50/50 shot, as far as I can tell

VOTE SALDANA

i have been prepared for this since the 1st day of the game, so i cant say i am surprised at all, and there is really no way to defend the math.

the only thing i can say in my defense is that I had the three most productive mining missions WITHOUT benefit of any scientists.

i did alot with no help, and i have been exactly where i have said i would be every night, which has been vouched for by either another player or the night result write up.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Ummm - why? If I'm remembering correctly, when the HQ is fixed we can't access the phasers to distribute them. Wouldnt' NOT having phasers to fight/kill the slaves or spawn with be a BAD thing?

That's a good point -- I was just thinking I didn't need to use the brig that much.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by saldana

i have been prepared for this since the 1st day of the game, so i cant say i am surprised at all, and there is really no way to defend the math.

the only thing i can say in my defense is that I had the three most productive mining missions WITHOUT benefit of any scientists.

i did alot with no help, and i have been exactly where i have said i would be every night, which has been vouched for by either another player or the night result write up.

Yeah, I'd rather not vote for you, but I'd need to find a pretty good candidate to vote for to overlook those odds.

[Tyrith]

Yeah, saldana, you haven't done anything at all to strike me as a wolf. The math clearly has it in for you, but there isn't anything damning like there was with Telle, and that was ultimately what got the momentum behind her. So I understand it from a 11 am have to leave vote, but I suspect when I make my vote (in an hour and a half) it might be for someone else.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I say don't the the HQ at all -- even if you guys can do more work, put it in the sleeping quarters.

Sleeping quarters?

I disagree. The brig is still important for keeping our doctors safe, and phasers are nice as well.

I think the security HQ falls behind the slave pens, water generator, and cargo hold, but way above the sleeping quarters.

[Barkeep49]

PackerFanatic is seen entering his lab to preform some experiments.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yeah, I'd rather not vote for you, but I'd need to find a pretty good candidate to vote for to overlook those odds.

I always think we have better success if we have two people going up for the lynch...

[jeheinz72]

I'm going to go ahead and cast a stone.

Vote Passacaglia

Odds wise, only the starting 15%, I don't know much about his night action time, but

- There have been some fishy instances with the bring

- And it seemed to me that he really really really didn't want to see Telle lynched, casting aspersion on both myself for picking Telle over the Cubby/MV mess and Olie when he was doing the same thing she did

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

- And it seemed to me that he really really really didn't want to see Telle lynched, casting aspersion on both myself for picking Telle over the Cubby/MV mess and Olie when he was doing the same thing she did

Post 2577 disagrees with that.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Post 2577 disagrees with that.

Not really, considering your vote was on Alan of all people at the time and you had only switched from No Lynch to Telle 12 minutes before hand, after Saldana drove the proverbial stake in Telle's chances of anything fishy.

For you to essentially do one thing while saying "I'll pile back on to look good if I need to" doesn't speak much to me.

Not when compared to brow-beating Olie for her doing a similar thing and I frankly still don't understand the problem you had with me taking the more sure route (Telle) over attempting to decipher the Chubby/MV mess.

[Passacaglia]

To clarify -- when I asked you about your vote switch, I just didn't want it to go unnoticed that you voted hoops, then unvoted in the middle of all that stuff, but voted back for the other side. Just seemed strange. I did allow for the fact that path's scan of hoops might have been in the middle of it. I checked and verified that later, but didn't mention it -- I figured I'd just drop it.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Not really, considering your vote was on Alan of all people at the time and you had only switched from No Lynch to Telle 12 minutes before hand, after Saldana drove the proverbial stake in Telle's chances of anything fishy.

For you to essentially do one thing while saying "I'll pile back on to look good if I need to" doesn't speak much to me.

Not when compared to brow-beating Olie for her doing a similar thing and I frankly still don't understand the problem you had with me taking the more sure route (Telle) over attempting to decipher the Chubby/MV mess.

Like I said, I don't have a problem with your vote. I maintain that what olie did is a lot different from what I did -- if you want me to explain that, I will.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Like I said, I don't have a problem with your vote. I maintain that what olie did is a lot different from what I did -- if you want me to explain that, I will.

Yeah, my vote should've been crystal clear. I was all after hoops until he was scanned and then of course wouldn't vote him and additionally gave a ton of creedence to his night results.

I would like to hear how you feel your course of action differs from olie's