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Balldog · 12-15-2003, 08:26 PM

Its the end of the 2007 and the Jets have yet to make the playoffs.

2003 - (8-8) 1 game out
2004 - (8-8) 1 game out
2005 - (9-7) 1 game out
2006 - (9-7) 1 game out
2007 - (10-6) 1 game out

What does this mean? I have the 10th best record over the 5 years of my career at 44-36 (.550) and I am only 1 of 4 team to not have made the playoffs. Can it get more frustrating.

MrBug708 · 12-15-2003, 08:29 PM

I had a span of 7 seasons in one career, where I won my division, had a bye in the first round, and then lost my first playoff game

mckerney · 12-15-2003, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
I had a span of 7 seasons in one career, where I won my division, had a bye in the first round, and then lost my first playoff game

Atlanta Braves?

Sidhe · 12-15-2003, 08:52 PM

Ha! I took my team to a perfect 19-0 record.

Twice!

'Course I've gone through about 25 years in my franchise now. I also had a stretch of five or six years where I lost the first game in the playoffs no matter how good my record.

tucker342 · 12-15-2003, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by mckerney
Atlanta Braves?

ouch, that hurts.....

Chubby · 12-15-2003, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
I had a span of 7 seasons in one career, where I won my division, had a bye in the first round, and then lost my first playoff game

new head coach

korme · 12-15-2003, 09:00 PM

It is 1994 and I lead my team to the best record in franchise history going 15-1 with a killer defense, and a future HOF at wide receiver. I earn a deserved bye and look forward to cleaning up house for a third championship since inauguration.

I proceed to lose the first round of the playoffs.

Balldog · 12-15-2003, 09:08 PM

Finally made it going 12-4 but failed to win the division. Amazing enough this was a year after I lost 20 players to free agency.

Balldog · 12-15-2003, 09:09 PM

Of course my almost my whole offense is listed as probable for the playoff game.

Balldog · 12-15-2003, 09:09 PM

And we lost 12-7.

Draft Dodger · 12-15-2003, 09:16 PM

I recently was in a season where in one game in week 13 I lost something like 6 DLs and 2 LBs. All were OUT for the rest of the year, and I didn't have enough healthy bodies to replace them. Plus I was at my cap limit, so I couldn't sign replacements without releasing a bunch of players. Had to completely restart my career - I was stuck otherwise.

not at all related, except the threadtitle is what I said about it happening

Chubby · 12-15-2003, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
I recently was in a season where in one game in week 13 I lost something like 6 DLs and 2 LBs. All were OUT for the rest of the year, and I didn't have enough healthy bodies to replace them. Plus I was at my cap limit, so I couldn't sign replacements without releasing a bunch of players. Had to completely restart my career - I was stuck otherwise.

not at all related, except the threadtitle is what I said about it happening

actually, if you toggle on the "make minor roster decisions" button then try and sim the game, the computer will sign a bunch of min salaray players for you even if you are ove rthe cap.

QuikSand · 12-15-2003, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
Plus I was at my cap limit, so I couldn't sign replacements without releasing a bunch of players. Had to completely restart my career - I was stuck otherwise.

Unless you were capped out and also under 53 players, then you can always sign undrafted rookies. The sal cap only counts your most expensive 53 players.

...Is 53 the right number there? I'm not certain it is... but I know that statement is true at some point. Signing additional rookie players for minsal doesn't count a cent toward your salary cap after that point.

cthomer5000 · 12-15-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by QuikSand
Unless you were capped out and also under 53 players, then you can always sign undrafted rookies. The sal cap only counts your most expensive 53 players.

...Is 53 the right number there? I'm not certain it is... but I know that statement is true at some point. Signing additional rookie players for minsal doesn't count a cent toward your salary cap after that point.

In real life that 53 rule only counts in the preseason.. I believe FOF allows you that all year.

Draft Dodger · 12-15-2003, 10:22 PM

well no shit - I had no idea.

so, can I ask a related cap question that I'm sure is answered somewhere around here?

if a guy retires before his contract runs out, do I take a cap hit for what's left on his bonus, or does that go away?

cthomer5000 · 12-15-2003, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
well no shit - I had no idea.

so, can I ask a related cap question that I'm sure is answered somewhere around here?

if a guy retires before his contract runs out, do I take a cap hit for what's left on his bonus, or does that go away?

In the real world, it basically works the same as cutting him (im 99% sure). I believe FOF works the same way, though I haven't checked the latest version to make sure. Most likely the remainder of the bonus comes due that year.

mckerney · 12-15-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
well no shit - I had no idea.

so, can I ask a related cap question that I'm sure is answered somewhere around here?

if a guy retires before his contract runs out, do I take a cap hit for what's left on his bonus, or does that go away?

You should take a hit from his remaining bonus money as all money you paid a player has to count at some point, though I'm not sure how you take the hit. I think it's the same as cutting where it will all count the year after he retires, though part of me things it could be the same cap you would have taken over the length of the contract (though obviously the non-guarenteed money wouldn't count).

Draft Dodger · 12-15-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by cthomer5000
In the real world, it basically works the same as cutting him (im 99% sure). I believe FOF works the same way, though I haven't checked the latest version to make sure. Most likely the remainder of the bonus comes due that year.

but didn't Sanders have to give back the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus back?
just doesn't seem right to have me sign a guy to an extension, and get hung with the bonus if he retires the following season.

cthomer5000 · 12-15-2003, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
but didn't Sanders have to give back the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus back?
just doesn't seem right to have me sign a guy to an extension, and get hung with the bonus if he retires the following season.

I think it's pretty much at the teams discretion in real life. In some cases they probably let it slide, but if the team feels they've gotten robbed - they generally do something about it (Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders).

Draft Dodger · 12-15-2003, 10:35 PM

you guys are right; here's what I found out:

What happens if a player is traded or retires?

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above).

In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus.

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

still doesn't seem quite right.

mckerney · 12-15-2003, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
still doesn't seem quite right.

Well, any money you pay a player has to be counted against the cap at some point, so you have to have the signing bonus money under the cap at some point.

Draft Dodger · 12-15-2003, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by mckerney
Well, any money you pay a player has to be counted against the cap at some point, so you have to have the signing bonus money under the cap at some point.

I can see that if I release/trade him. but if the douchebag retires, he should give what's remaining back

Hurst2112 · 12-16-2003, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by Balldog
Its the end of the 2007 and the Jets have yet to make the playoffs.

2003 - (8-8) 1 game out
2004 - (8-8) 1 game out
2005 - (9-7) 1 game out
2006 - (9-7) 1 game out
2007 - (10-6) 1 game out

What does this mean? I have the 10th best record over the 5 years of my career at 44-36 (.550) and I am only 1 of 4 team to not have made the playoffs. Can it get more frustrating.

New York Jets eh?

Damn, FOF is pretty realistic.

12-15-2003, 09:16 PM	#11
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	I recently was in a season where in one game in week 13 I lost something like 6 DLs and 2 LBs. All were OUT for the rest of the year, and I didn't have enough healthy bodies to replace them. Plus I was at my cap limit, so I couldn't sign replacements without releasing a bunch of players. Had to completely restart my career - I was stuck otherwise. not at all related, except the threadtitle is what I said about it happening __________________ Mile High Hockey

12-15-2003, 10:22 PM	#15
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	well no shit - I had no idea. so, can I ask a related cap question that I'm sure is answered somewhere around here? if a guy retires before his contract runs out, do I take a cap hit for what's left on his bonus, or does that go away? __________________ Mile High Hockey Last edited by Draft Dodger : 12-15-2003 at 10:23 PM.

12-15-2003, 10:35 PM	#20
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	you guys are right; here's what I found out: What happens if a player is traded or retires? Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above). In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus. http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp still doesn't seem quite right. __________________ Mile High Hockey Last edited by Draft Dodger : 12-15-2003 at 10:36 PM.

12-15-2003, 08:29 PM	#2
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I had a span of 7 seasons in one career, where I won my division, had a bye in the first round, and then lost my first playoff game

12-15-2003, 08:52 PM	#4
Sidhe H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NOVA USA	Ha! I took my team to a perfect 19-0 record. Twice! 'Course I've gone through about 25 years in my franchise now. I also had a stretch of five or six years where I lost the first game in the playoffs no matter how good my record.

12-15-2003, 09:00 PM	#7
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	It is 1994 and I lead my team to the best record in franchise history going 15-1 with a killer defense, and a future HOF at wide receiver. I earn a deserved bye and look forward to cleaning up house for a third championship since inauguration. I proceed to lose the first round of the playoffs.

12-15-2003, 09:08 PM	#8
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	Finally made it going 12-4 but failed to win the division. Amazing enough this was a year after I lost 20 players to free agency.

12-15-2003, 09:09 PM	#9
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	Of course my almost my whole offense is listed as probable for the playoff game.

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