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Old 05-27-2009, 10:04 AM   #251
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Oh and I still don't buy the seer plan.

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Old 05-27-2009, 10:09 AM   #252
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:16 AM   #253
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because if you sub him out then the BG can re-guard the new person with the role

essentially i'm just arguing for the logical continuation of your thought after you die

but if you believe a BG on either day one or two, the two BGs just rotate on the believed seer, who has the ability to continue to build a COT, instead of possibly getting a wolf in the role and getting a crap scan
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:36 AM   #254
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Does this count as a day one vote?

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Old 05-27-2009, 11:36 AM   #255
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:40 AM   #256
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Anyone have a "believe" count?
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:40 AM   #257
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so here is my new thought

D1 - believe a seer today (not necessarily hoops...that is an entirely separate discussion)
N1 - have the real bodyguard protect him tonight
N1 - have the real seer and the fake seer both scan the Believed Seer tonight
D2 - both scans are revealed tomorrow (one will say wolf, one will say villager, unless we are unlucky enough to get the cunning wolf as the believed seer)
D2 - believe a second bodyguard tomorrow
D2 - lynch the believed seer, thus proving who the real seer is versus the fake seer.
N2 - real bodyguard protects the real seer on N2, alternating with believed BG
N2 - real seer scans who ever they want on N2
D3 - real seer reveals scan on D3...if they have a wolf, good for us, if they have a villager, that person becomes the new Believed seer.

rinse. repeat. it just becomes a matter of time
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:42 AM   #258
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Explanation: He was a kick-a$$ BG in the Office Space game.

Yeah, thanks, it's the only role I'm any good at!

As for day 1, I think it would be pretty funny to believe me and vote me!

EF, thoughts on Det-Pit Cup? Do my Penguins even stand a chance?
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:42 AM   #259
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dola, i should add that the believed seer should reveal his scan prior to being lynched tomorrow, since if he comes up good, we add the scanned person to the COT
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:43 AM   #260
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Okay, one thing, and I'm not saying this because I just picked up a second believe. We need to make sure that we hit 40% or more (preferably more so there is no screwiness) with one candidate. In the next couple hours, I would like to see us narrow down our wide array of options.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:43 AM   #261
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Also, i hate games with roles that we dont know about (lathum in the egypt game, blade in Lost, etc)

so in an effort to find out what the deal is..

I am a Mystery Role.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:43 AM   #262
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but if you believe a BG on either day one or two, the two BGs just rotate on the believed seer, who has the ability to continue to build a COT, instead of possibly getting a wolf in the role and getting a crap scan

well fuck me...you're right!
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:45 AM   #263
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so here is my new thought

D1 - believe a seer today (not necessarily hoops...that is an entirely separate discussion)
N1 - have the real bodyguard protect him tonight
N1 - have the real seer and the fake seer both scan the Believed Seer tonight
D2 - both scans are revealed tomorrow (one will say wolf, one will say villager, unless we are unlucky enough to get the cunning wolf as the believed seer)
D2 - believe a second bodyguard tomorrow
D2 - lynch the believed seer, thus proving who the real seer is versus the fake seer.
N2 - real bodyguard protects the real seer on N2, alternating with believed BG
N2 - real seer scans who ever they want on N2
D3 - real seer reveals scan on D3...if they have a wolf, good for us, if they have a villager, that person becomes the new Believed seer.

rinse. repeat. it just becomes a matter of time

i'm sure the wolflets will find a way to screw that up, but damn...good thinking saldana!
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:45 AM   #264
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what if the wolves start NKing or otherwise offing our BG's though - then our real seer is exposed...
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:50 AM   #265
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so here is my new thought

D1 - believe a seer today (not necessarily hoops...that is an entirely separate discussion)
N1 - have the real bodyguard protect him tonight
N1 - have the real seer and the fake seer both scan the Believed Seer tonight
D2 - both scans are revealed tomorrow (one will say wolf, one will say villager, unless we are unlucky enough to get the cunning wolf as the believed seer)
D2 - believe a second bodyguard tomorrow
D2 - lynch the believed seer, thus proving who the real seer is versus the fake seer.
N2 - real bodyguard protects the real seer on N2, alternating with believed BG
N2 - real seer scans who ever they want on N2
D3 - real seer reveals scan on D3...if they have a wolf, good for us, if they have a villager, that person becomes the new Believed seer.

rinse. repeat. it just becomes a matter of time

Not a bad plan, except I don't think it's necessary for the real or fake seer to reveal their scans. They'll know which one they are if the believed seer is lynched.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:52 AM   #266
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what if the wolves start NKing or otherwise offing our BG's though - then our real seer is exposed...
then we just re-believe a new BG

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Not a bad plan, except I don't think it's necessary for the real or fake seer to reveal their scans. They'll know which one they are if the believed seer is lynched.
but they wont have a way to tell us who to make the new believed seer
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:53 AM   #267
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what if the wolves start NKing or otherwise offing our BG's though - then our real seer is exposed...
also, the real bodyguard is still hidden, only the believed one is exposed
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:55 AM   #268
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then we just re-believe a new BG


but they wont have a way to tell us who to make the new believed seer

It is my understanding that as soon as the real seer dies all believed seers lose their powers so a new believed seer won't have their powers very long if the actual seer role reveals.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:58 AM   #269
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It is my understanding that as soon as the real seer dies all believed seers lose their powers so a new believed seer won't have their powers very long if the actual seer role reveals.
but with multiple BGs, we can protect the seer for quite a while
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:16 PM   #270
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:18 PM   #271
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I guess we should have 2 candidates and Hoops gives me the willies
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:23 PM   #272
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:26 PM   #273
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so here is my new thought

D1 - believe a seer today (not necessarily hoops...that is an entirely separate discussion)
N1 - have the real bodyguard protect him tonight
N1 - have the real seer and the fake seer both scan the Believed Seer tonight
D2 - both scans are revealed tomorrow (one will say wolf, one will say villager, unless we are unlucky enough to get the cunning wolf as the believed seer)
D2 - believe a second bodyguard tomorrow
D2 - lynch the believed seer, thus proving who the real seer is versus the fake seer.
N2 - real bodyguard protects the real seer on N2, alternating with believed BG
N2 - real seer scans who ever they want on N2
D3 - real seer reveals scan on D3...if they have a wolf, good for us, if they have a villager, that person becomes the new Believed seer.

rinse. repeat. it just becomes a matter of time

Catching up, but I saw this and I think this is a really bad idea. Outing the seer tomorrow is an awful plan. We can't depend on things working out just so with the protects/kill etc... and risk losing our seer.
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:31 PM   #274
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Here's what I have as of 272

Lynch:
Dubb – EF (131), Racer (248)
Lerriuqs – USFL (246), DT (249)
DT – Lerriuqs (250),


Believing:
Hoops as seer – dubb (121), Purdue (220), DT (222)
CR as seer – Racer (248)
PB as BG – Lerriuqs (251), EF (254)
DT as Seer – Lathum (271)

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Old 05-27-2009, 12:33 PM   #275
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Here's what I have as of 272

Lynch:
Dubb – EF (131), dubb (248)
Lerriuqs – USFL (246), DT (249)
DT – Lerriuqs (250),


Believing:
Hoops as seer – dubb (121), Purdue (220), DT (222)
CR as seer – Racer (248)
PB as BG – Lerriuqs (251), EF (254)
DT as Seer – Lathum (271)

Isn't that Racer and EF voting Dubb?
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:34 PM   #276
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Here's what I have as of 272

Lynch:
Dubb – EF (131), dubb (248)
Lerriuqs – USFL (246), DT (249)
DT – Lerriuqs (250),


Believing:
Hoops as seer – dubb (121), Purdue (220), DT (222)
CR as seer – Racer (248)
PB as BG – Lerriuqs (251), EF (254)
DT as Seer – Lathum (271)

I voted for dubb, not dubb.
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:36 PM   #277
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So it looks like the discussion is between a seer, bg or cultist. I am leaning towards a BG right now.
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:37 PM   #278
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Isn't that Racer and EF voting Dubb?

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I voted for dubb, not dubb.

Edited and fixed.
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:48 PM   #279
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Vote will come later, but for now

Believe PurdueBrad as the bodyguard
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:14 PM   #280
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Vote will come later, but for now

Believe PurdueBrad as the bodyguard

Has to be blue...
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:15 PM   #281
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:15 PM   #282
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:31 PM   #283
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I HATE YOU PEOPLE!!!! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO POST SO MUCH CRAP ON THE FIRST DAY!!!???!??!?!?!?

I DON'T WANT SPEND HALF AN HOUR CATCHING UP ON NOTHING!!!!!


GWAAAAAAAH!!!!!!
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:32 PM   #284
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Oh, I guess it's not just from today, but still.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:00 PM   #285
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:02 PM   #286
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I like the idea of getting a second seer.. but agree that it should be someone other than hoops.

Believe Chief Rum as seer.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:15 PM   #287
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I HATE YOU PEOPLE!!!! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO POST SO MUCH CRAP ON THE FIRST DAY!!!???!??!?!?!?

I DON'T WANT SPEND HALF AN HOUR CATCHING UP ON NOTHING!!!!!


GWAAAAAAAH!!!!!!

And now that I'm reading it, I guess it's not quite nothing.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:23 PM   #288
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Chief Rum has nothing on me.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:31 PM   #289
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:38 PM   #290
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I'm with Tyrith in that I don't feel comfortable giving the seer role to Hoops. People suggested throwing out alternatives earlier, so here's a few: Schmidty and ntndeacon.

I kind of like the conservative move and go with the BG believing, but since I have no special powers to begin with, I'm ok with people believing me as Seer.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:53 PM   #291
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so here is my new thought

N1 - have the real seer and the fake seer both scan the Believed Seer tonight
D2 - both scans are revealed tomorrow (one will say wolf, one will say villager, unless we are unlucky enough to get the cunning wolf as the believed seer)
D2 - believe a second bodyguard tomorrow
D2 - lynch the believed seer, thus proving who the real seer is versus the fake seer.

False seer doesn't get a reverse scan. False seer gets a random result. There is a pretty good chance they both get the same result and it tells us nothing.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:05 PM   #292
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I'd rather be the Criminal, because then I'd get to banged Molly Ringwald.

I do look good in a bustier though!!
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:08 PM   #293
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if false seer only gets a random result then why are we wasting our time? we should be BG-ing
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:10 PM   #294
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if false seer only gets a random result then why are we wasting our time? we should be BG-ing

I am open for other people, but I will not be supporting anything except believing a bodyguard today.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:17 PM   #295
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if false seer only gets a random result then why are we wasting our time? we should be BG-ing

Are you confusing the false seer and the believed seer?
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:22 PM   #296
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As a bit more reasoning, I believe going with a seer who we have no idea is trustworthy will potentially cause us to waste lynched and days at a time confirming scans, lynching believed seers and all in all lead to too much time wasting. When there is someone we feel pretty good about trusting, then I think we can believe a seer.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:27 PM   #297
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Will almost certainly move this vote, but he's acting a bit off the wall in this thread so far so I think it's safe to say he's not the real seer, bodyguard, etc. I also find it odd that he didn't vote for Eaglefan when 1.) He acts like he's suspicious of Eaglefan. 2.) Eaglefan voted for him

I have not once claimed to be the seer or bodyguard. And the only other person to claim duke posted he was claiming every role. Think about it, I'm the only one who has actually claimed duke, and claimed it is my actual role. Think about that in the days going ahead if you guys don't kill me today.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:28 PM   #298
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Hell, if it makes you feel any better have our new believed seer scan me tonight since he will be able to post day by day. That way we can get another villager role believed tomarrow.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:29 PM   #299
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:32 PM   #300
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I have not once claimed to be the seer or bodyguard. And the only other person to claim duke posted he was claiming every role. Think about it, I'm the only one who has actually claimed duke, and claimed it is my actual role. Think about that in the days going ahead if you guys don't kill me today.

I will not be voting for Dubb, no one else should be either. If he wasn't really the Duke, the real one would come out and nail us a wolf. There would be no reason not to as an unbelieved Duke really isn't an all that desirable target for the wolves. We're not talking about drawing out an early seer reveal here, there's no reason for Dubb to fake reveal.
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