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Old 12-27-2005, 04:24 PM   #51
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I was under the impression that elementals weren't human or demon -- they were their own thing. I could be wrong, though.

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Old 12-27-2005, 04:26 PM   #52
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CW, when an elemental is revealed do we learn if he is the "human" or "demon" elemental? Or just an elemental and it is up to us to discern which one?

The elementals are not affiliated with either side. They are independant entities who help/hinder both sides, and have their own agendas.

If you're speaking of the Druid/Warlock (the "mortal" player on both sides who actually try and barter favors from the elementals), yes. The Druid is on the Human side, the Warlock is the Demonic equivalent.

Edit: Those 2 (the druid and the warlock) are the ONLY "special" roles that will be revealed. For everyone else, they will simply be labeled "Human" or "Demon" (along an appropriate description of their death, which may give some clues, but I will never flat out say/describe a role upon death except for those two.)

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Old 12-27-2005, 04:32 PM   #53
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CW, thanks for the clarification. It was indeed the druid/warlock descriptions that I had stuck in my mind for the elementals in terms of good/evil roles.

OK, so lets explore the warlock/druid roles with the elemental(s) ...

If both the warlock and druid sacrifice correctly and there is only one elemental would both sides gain a favor? Or would only one favor be granted?
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:35 PM   #54
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CW, thanks for the clarification. It was indeed the druid/warlock descriptions that I had stuck in my mind for the elementals in terms of good/evil roles.

OK, so lets explore the warlock/druid roles with the elemental(s) ...

If both the warlock and druid sacrifice correctly and there is only one elemental would both sides gain a favor? Or would only one favor be granted?

Both would receive a favor is they sacrifice correctly, regardless of how many elementals are left (unless there are none left).
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:42 PM   #55
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By the way, I will be out most of the evening tonight. I'll try and field everyone's questions when I get back tonight, but I have no idea when that will be.

To field one question which has already been asked by PM...yes, sacrifice actions WILL take place on night 0, so I need those sent to me.
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:45 PM   #56
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Im guessing two elementals, 1 druid/warolock(1 of each), 2 other demons, and 8 humans...of those id say 3-4 have special roles(doctor, seer, etc.) so were really only looking at like 3-4 normal villagers...if im right, we already have a lot of liers...

As for the elementals, once they are killed once i think they might still be a good kill somewhat as they have their own agendas...their agendas could differ from our vastly....id still say take a shot for a demon though.

Time for me to review the player list to myself to review past games playing styles and contrast with this one
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:29 PM   #57
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Im guessing two elementals, 1 druid/warolock(1 of each), 2 other demons, and 8 humans...of those id say 3-4 have special roles(doctor, seer, etc.) so were really only looking at like 3-4 normal villagers...if im right, we already have a lot of liers...

As for the elementals, once they are killed once i think they might still be a good kill somewhat as they have their own agendas...their agendas could differ from our vastly....id still say take a shot for a demon though.

Time for me to review the player list to myself to review past games playing styles and contrast with this one
Anyone know if an elemental can kill someone as one of the favors? It seems like that may help us get a demon.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:33 PM   #58
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:59 PM   #59
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Im guessing two elementals, 1 druid/warolock(1 of each), 2 other demons, and 8 humans...of those id say 3-4 have special roles(doctor, seer, etc.) so were really only looking at like 3-4 normal villagers...if im right, we already have a lot of liers...

As for the elementals, once they are killed once i think they might still be a good kill somewhat as they have their own agendas...their agendas could differ from our vastly....id still say take a shot for a demon though.

I'd think there would be more than two demons, if we got lucky and got one right away you'd think there'd be more than one backup.

But this is my first game, so really I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:10 PM   #60
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CW, I assume that the druid counts as a human and the warlock counts as a demon? Or are they both counted as humans in the 1:1 ratio, with the warlock being a human working for the demons?
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:13 PM   #61
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CW, I assume that the druid counts as a human and the warlock counts as a demon? Or are they both counted as humans in the 1:1 ratio, with the warlock being a human working for the demons?

Druid = Human, counted as human.

Warlock = Demon, counted as demon, is a demon, just with an extra job.
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:14 PM   #62
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Well I'm checking in. But I call BS on all these people claiming to be simple villagers. I think in this game there are few, if any, simple villagers.
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:15 PM   #63
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Dola: My guess is 2 elementals, 3 demons, and the rest humans. Although I think there could easily be 1 more elemental or demon (though not both).
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:22 PM   #64
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I'd guess 3 elementals, 3 demons and the rest villagers.

I'd guess if the druid and warlock have to sac something and the elementals have to agree beforehand, that there would have to be something of a simple majority setup at least in the beginning.

Maybe, dunno. Just throwing it out there.
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:25 PM   #65
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Looks like my plans fell through tonight. But...

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BTW, are we on strict timelines or will stuff be put out as it arrives?

The day votes are on strict timelines. Night actions will be processed early if I have everything. I'll give it a short while after all actions come in, in case someone changes their mind, but if everything gets in early, I'll run the night early.
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:25 PM   #66
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Dola: My guess is 2 elementals, 3 demons, and the rest humans. Although I think there could easily be 1 more elemental or demon (though not both).

That makes more sense to me (especially once it was clarified that the Warlock is a demon with an extra ability). I wonder about three elementals -- they already get one free pass and the ability to make a kill (which it would seem likely to do immediately after being identified), plus the "vast power" that CW mentioned at the top which it would make sense to think that there are some sort of additional self-preservation secret power. So basically, I'm thinking that they're powerful enough to only be two of them.

And as I typed that, it occured to me to wonder if it's a good idea for me to be speculating about this.......
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:26 PM   #67
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No kidding, I thought the same thing.
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:38 PM   #68
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Out of curiosity, how do the Elementals "win" the game, or are they just unique beings in the game that have a role, but not one to win or lose?
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:39 PM   #69
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This talk about the elementals power ignores that we don't know what the victory condition is for the elementals. I agree that they seem rather powerful, but I trust CW to have made something about their victory condition to equalize things.
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:46 PM   #70
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Im guessing two elementals, 1 druid/warolock(1 of each), 2 other demons, and 8 humans...

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Dola: My guess is 2 elementals, 3 demons, and the rest humans. Although I think there could easily be 1 more elemental or demon (though not both).

LOL, just repeating me without acknowledging(i cant spell that word) me is called plagiarism...i can sue you now
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:52 PM   #71
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LOL, just repeating me without acknowledging(i cant spell that word) me is called plagiarism...i can sue you now
Pfft. You're just jealous someone said they agreed with me instead of you .
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:53 PM   #72
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LOL, just repeating me without acknowledging(i cant spell that word) me is called plagiarism...i can sue you now

Wait a minute. You're still alive?
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:09 PM   #73
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Studying the rules ... I think I understood the last game fairly well, but this one is, um, quite a bit *wrinkled* compared to the others.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:07 PM   #74
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As the sun slowly rises admist the snow capped mountains, the remaining guardians of this fortress commence their unenviable task of hunting down the traitors. Who will be the first to go? And more importantly...will the forces of good kill one of their own, or will they manage to track down those who would unleash the minions of Hell?

As the gathered forces assemble for the first of many days, there is already a sign of carnage. Well, if you count a pair of dead animals carnage.

Atop a stone altar, a mass of filthy, bloody stained fur, the rapidly decaying remains of a Yak lay silent. Was it a diseased yak, worthy of mounting? Was it an offer worthy of the elementals? Only the great powers know.

Skewered across a blood-inscribed pentagram is the rotting carcass of a Goat. While it is not nearly as awe-inspiring as the might of the Yak, the potent Goat-esqueness of the offering cannot be ignored. But, while mere mortals could be impressed by this, were the elementals?

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Old 12-27-2005, 09:12 PM   #75
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Barring other revelations I once again will be voting for a nonparticipant on Day 1. So far that leaves:

3) Schmidty
4) Dacman
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:24 PM   #76
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Atop a stone altar, a mass of filthy, bloody stained fur, the rapidly decaying remains of a Yak lay silent. Was it a diseased yak, worthy of mounting?

Priceless.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:30 PM   #77
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Barring other revelations I once again will be voting for a nonparticipant on Day 1. So far that leaves:

3) Schmidty
4) Dacman
11) TazFTW

I'm all for it. I'm weary of voting early, as I don't want to incur (is that the right word/right use of the word?) the wrath of the elementals.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:36 PM   #78
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I'm all for it. I'm weary of voting early, as I don't want to incur (is that the right word/right use of the word?) the wrath of the elementals.
I'm amazed based on your rules then that you haven't cast your Schmidty vote .
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:38 PM   #79
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I'd like to...but like I said, if Schmidty turns out to be an elemental, I don't want to be Kentucky Fried Ardent, we do Ardent right.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:55 PM   #80
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I used a random number generator to come up with my day 1 vote

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Old 12-27-2005, 10:15 PM   #81
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I hate being the random number on Day 1 votes. I'm never sure if it is BS with a wolf/demon voting for me or if someone is actually using a random number generator.

No strong opinions as of yet so I'll hold off on any votes.
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:18 PM   #82
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I VOTE BLADE, for he is crafty, and crafty is evil. Therefore, he is a demon, since Demon are evil.
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:25 PM   #83
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I VOTE BLADE, for he is crafty, and crafty is evil. Therefore, he is a demon, since Demon are evil.

LOL
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:43 PM   #84
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Some serious use of the transitive property there ...
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:44 PM   #85
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Barring other revelations I once again will be voting for a nonparticipant on Day 1. So far that leaves:

3) Schmidty
4) Dacman
11) TazFTW

This sounds good to me. I'll see how that develops.
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:50 PM   #86
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Priceless.
No kidding, I'm not mounting any Yaks
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:55 PM   #87
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Pfft. You're just jealous someone said they agreed with me instead of you .


Someone? Jeez, I know I don't post much and all, but damn, that's cold.
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:55 PM   #88
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I VOTE BLADE, for he is crafty, and crafty is evil. Therefore, he is a demon, since Demon are evil.
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LOL
Yeah, it should read "since DEMONS are evil", and I realized my mistake, but it seems rather silly to re-input a new message to insert one letter.

But it did make me look rather idiotic, I admit. Sorry about that.

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Old 12-27-2005, 10:56 PM   #89
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The goat is getting no love here. As the man said,
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:02 PM   #90
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The goat is getting no love here. As the man said,

Alright, I'm not mounting any goats either!
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:08 PM   #91
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The goat is getting no love here. As the man said,
I'll give the goat props, but I think the yak was better.

Meh, I might as well vote before the night is over.

No offense, Schmidty. If you're an elemental, please don't cook me over this. I haven't been obeying my rules lately.

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Old 12-27-2005, 11:26 PM   #92
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Not sure why we are casting votes so early, but I don't really want to be late to the party. I'm going to

VOTE ST. CRONIN

Random number generators have no place in this game. I hate them, get no read off of them, and think they are stupid.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:28 PM   #93
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No offense, Schmidty. If you're an elemental, please don't cook me over this. I haven't been obeying my rules lately.

Do you know something I don't know? I have no clue what the elemental's can do, why do you believe they can kill you? I don't fear them, that is the place for the druid/warlock.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:33 PM   #94
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Not sure why we are casting votes so early, but I don't really want to be late to the party. I'm going to

VOTE ST. CRONIN

Random number generators have no place in this game. I hate them, get no read off of them, and think they are stupid.

Day 1 votes are meaningless (or have been in every game so far). It's the votes and discussion about the votes that gives insight.

If you have something else to go by, by all means put it out there.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:36 PM   #95
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Random number generators have no place in this game.

I disagree. I think it's the best way for a GM to assign roles .
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:42 PM   #96
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Do you know something I don't know? I have no clue what the elemental's can do, why do you believe they can kill you? I don't fear them, that is the place for the druid/warlock.

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(In futher plain english, they also have a once-per-game-per-elemental power to flat out kill another player.)

Thus, I don't want to make an elemental mad at me.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:03 AM   #97
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I disagree. I think it's the best way for a GM to assign roles .

I further disagree. When I run a game I'm going to do the tried and true names in one hat, roles in the other hat. I don't trust random number generators.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:04 AM   #98
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I further disagree. When I run a game I'm going to do the tried and true names in one hat, roles in the other hat. I don't trust random number generators.

Obviously you don't have MY random number generator then.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:04 AM   #99
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Thus, I don't want to make an elemental mad at me.

AH, I overlooked that. Still, I'm sure they will use the kills to meet their victory conditions late in the game, not early b/c you were the first to vote for them.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:05 AM   #100
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I further disagree. When I run a game I'm going to do the tried and true names in one hat, roles in the other hat. I don't trust random number generators.

That *is* a random number generator.

My random # generator was a 6 sided die, tossed twice.
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