Werewolf XXVII: Solecismic Asylum (GAME OVER - MANIACS WIN)

[SnDvls]

dola - not only today, but yesterday and day 1?

I'm sure some were just following mckerney, but wondering your thoughts

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Like I said, it probably isn't right how I know about the french thing, but here it is. I have helped people set up werewolf games in the past and even was discussing a mental patient game like this. One of the roles that came up was someone who hated the french and won the game if he got his list of "french" killed. When french things were found in McKerney's room it lead me to believe he didn't in fact have inside information and was just in a situation where Lathum was on his list of "french".

If that's true what you said that I really, really think it was a lousy thing to say. Why would you reveal information from outside the game? What does it serve?

That just sticks with me.

Vote Dubb

-Anxiety

[Lathum]

Well-
I think Blade was experementing. I've seen im advocate ties in past games.
Barkeep raises my suspiscions.
The way St. Cronin has gone after me is very suspiscous and PAth basicly went for me witn no explination which is also fishy.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

If that's true what you said that I really, really think it was a lousy thing to say. Why would you reveal information from outside the game? What does it serve?

That just sticks with me.

Vote Dubb

-Anxiety

why would you vote for Dubb when I just said I guarded him last night and he slept safely in his bed last night?

[SnDvls]

blade is playing his usual game, which scares me to some extent, but I'm pretty good at reading him and I'd say he's okay. W/ him and Barkeep going at it yesterday I'd have to say that he also is probally good.
I don't have a read on St. C or path yet though.

[Tyrith]

I think the attacks on lathum are a little suspicious, but even know we don't have a ton to go off of. Blade seems like he screwed up last night, but the entire situation is too complex to have been done as a WW plot. Dubb's comment also sets me off a little bit, but so far, I really don't know which way to go.

[Tyrith]

If Lathum is a villager then dubb probably is too. Dubb's comment, upon thinking for a minute, makes a lot of sense, it just makes mckerney's play seem a little too brash for Day 1.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

If that's true what you said that I really, really think it was a lousy thing to say. Why would you reveal information from outside the game? What does it serve?

That just sticks with me.

Vote Dubb

-Anxiety

The fact that I even have that info stinks, but no point in holding it to myself. I can't just say Lathum is 100% cleared in my book and have no justification. That would make me a huge suspect.

But the info is there, and I think that both saldana and blade knew/know about it as well. If not, then someone throw a vote out for barkeep please.

[Poli]

Crazy? I went crazy once.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

why would you vote for Dubb when I just said I guarded him last night and he slept safely in his bed last night?

I just said. I don't like what he just did, it stinks, and I'm punishing him for it by voting for him. Besides, based on my previous comment, I think Blade, Barkeep and Cronin may all be clean, so here's an opportunity to do good by pointing out this issue.

-Anxiety

[Lathum]

you realize you could look very bad by voting for dubb?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

you realize you could look very bad by voting for dubb?

This is the exact some thing I did last game when I punished people for continuing to talk about PMs and Blade because he was talking too much. Play this game, don't play previous facts. I don't care what it looks like, from here, Dubb's actions stink.

-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lathum

you realize you could look very bad by voting for dubb?

Why would you care unless you're trying to protect dubb? It's not like he'll get the most votes today.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Why would you care unless you're trying to protect dubb? It's not like he'll get the most votes today.

i'm protecting him because he is a simple loony

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Play this game, don't play previous facts. I don't care what it looks like, from here, Dubb's actions stink.

-Anxiety

Eh, cry about it, do what you want but it is no different than saying "Hey, I think I know what that guys role is, I saw it on board x"

I had heard of that role b/f and I put 2 and 2 together. Is that 100% have to be his role? No, but I believe it is based on information I've put together. Vote me, whatever but acting like werewolf knowledge never comes into play is stupid. How the hell do you know what a seer or bodyguard is?

[SnDvls]

OOC - I remember why I stopped playing WW games..people in general take stuff too personal.

[SnDvls]

dola - let's get back to playing the "game" and winning for once.

[Poli]

Riddle me this: How do you sleep quietly in a place like this?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Eh, cry about it, do what you want but it is no different than saying "Hey, I think I know what that guys role is, I saw it on board x"

I would have objected to that as well, so that's not a good analogy.

-Anxiety

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Riddle me this: How do you sleep quietly in a place like this?

i don't know because people like you never shut up

[path12]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I think the attacks on lathum are a little suspicious, but even know we don't have a ton to go off of. Blade seems like he screwed up last night, but the entire situation is too complex to have been done as a WW plot. Dubb's comment also sets me off a little bit, but so far, I really don't know which way to go.

OOC: There is NO situation too complex to be done as a WW plot. Now the BG reveal by Lathum obviously changes things quite a bit, as long as it's valid (which since there hasn't been a counter makes me think it is). So thanks to the friggin' tie last night we're pretty much back at square one, with our one stroke of luck being the fact that we've only lost one person. So do we check Blade to see why he forced the tie, or do we wonder why there was such an exodus from Barkeep late yesterday, or do we strike out in a completely different direction? That's what will be interesting to note today, and that's where we might find signs of maniacs.

[path12]

Buffalo hair keeps flying into my ears and panicking the caterpillar.

Unvote Lathum
Vote Barkeep

[Tyrith]

We spent most of the day yesterday on him, and nothing has occured to really make me change my mind. So, for the time being:

Vote Barkeep

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Lathum

i don't know because people like you never shut up

Crazy? I went crazy once.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I would have objected to that as well, so that's not a good analogy.

-Anxiety

So then answer one question for me. How in the hell do you analyse games you play in if you don't try to tie a person to their role or care what their role is once their room is revealed? I take it you don't care about the bodyguard, don't try to guess who the seer is and as a result don't care about nabbing the bad guys? Seriously man, I had seen the role before and tied it to the french thing and if you wanna vote someone look up blades posts for the last couple days I believe he says something about it b/f I even mention it, how did he know about it if alot of people weren't in on the convo?

Mckerney was not the seer...if im not mistaken, he was a villager but won only if certain other players died...lathum should be one of those players...

Get over it, it's not like I'm posting a PM or anything like that and its not my fault an idea that I was apart of discussing several months ago ended up in this game. I can't be expected to hold role information to myself if I can place someone to a role. I actually try to place people to their roles and do some good instead of "punishing" people for trying to help/clear people.

BTW anyone got a feeling Saldana may have been a seer type to already have 3 people on his trust list. If so I think he either scanned Anxiety or Lathum, whats everyone else think?

[dubb93]

BTW I gotta go buy some new work clothes may or may not be back by deadline, just incase....

VOTE ST. CRONIN

I have a better feeling about Barkeep, but I don't want to start a bandwagon. Plus they both appear to be pretty well tied together at this point.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by dubb93

BTW anyone got a feeling Saldana may have been a seer type to already have 3 people on his trust list. If so I think he either scanned Anxiety or Lathum, whats everyone else think?

With no night 0 action that would have only given him one shot. Why wouldn't he of put them in a trust list if he posted his distrust list? he seemed to think we was a gonner, if that was the case I'd do both to help out the other villagers too.

I doubt it, but we've seen stranger things happen

[SnDvls]

reread Saldana's post on trust and distrust and it seems he did trust lathum and dubb, but didn't want to give reason.

both Barkeep and blade made late switches to lathum yesterday,barkeep for self preservation, can't really blame him for that, and blade for an unknown reason and it peaked Saldana's eye. He was on lathum most of the day then forced the tie late. blade then goes on to make a point that he wanted it noted he was on lathum.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Seriously man, I had seen the role before and tied it to the french thing and if you wanna vote someone look up blades posts for the last couple days I believe he says something about it b/f I even mention it, how did he know about it if alot of people weren't in on the convo?

I would agree that Blade is the most suspicious of saldana's three suspects. No argument there.

-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

double dola - rereading Lathum's posts he feels blade is 100% clean.

so going with all this and assuming Lathum is who he says he is and did what he said he did, that would in this "magical little world" clear him, blade & dubb.
so let's go back to yesterday.

I'd like to vote barkeep, but

I think you might still be on the up and up, but it's all I have right now.

since you already have 2 votes I'm not going to pile on, just yet, but want my feeling out there in case I do put the vote on you later.

[Abe Sargent]

Ha! Broke your dola!

-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Ha! Broke your dola!

-Anxiety

bastard

[Abe Sargent]

Just like my WVU team is going to break your USF team in teh FOFC BBCF league


-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Just like my WVU team is going to break your USF team in teh FOFC BBCF league


-Anxiety

"Don't sing it....BRING IT!!!"

[Blade6119]

Lathum, you claim bodyguard...and im not sure why as i think barkeep was leading the vote....so answer me a few questions if you dont mind:

What is the reason given for your power? Like what illness?

And was i attacked on night one and you saved me or just nothing happened?

[st.cronin]

I don't have any problem with dubb's "reveal" - I think it's the responsibility of king to to keep things like that mysterious, but as a gamer dubb is under no obligation to keep his knowledge to himself.

Don't know why Lathum said he's the bodyguard - that is not a good reveal. I'm not saying it's suspicious, it's just not helpful. And his info doesn't help much - somebody sleeping soundly doesn't mean he's not a wolf. Maybe they only send out one killer at a time?

for now

UNVOTE LATHUM

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't have any problem with dubb's "reveal" - I think it's the responsibility of king to to keep things like that mysterious, but as a gamer dubb is under no obligation to keep his knowledge to himself.

Is one obligated to reveal information to the group if they have knowledge such as dubbs? Though, i still dont see how mckerneys french role clears lathum.

[Barkeep49]

I am as innocent yesterday as I am today. I switched to Lathum, purely out of self preservation and was not convinced at all of his evilness, though after I made the switch I found things to talk myself into thinking it was a good vote. I'll buy his vote. And I pretty much had decided that Blade was doing the villager after a villager move. So that leaves others. So I am going to vote purely for the person who has been quitest. I know that the odds are I will be lynched. This is unfortunate. What have I done to raise suspicions? NOT HAVE A ROLE. Think about that for a second. I don't have a role and so people with all sorts of OOG knowledge are ready to condemn me. What a shame. Anyhow the quitest person has been Ardent. Oh wait. He hasn't been quiet or playing. Tyrith wins that honor. I know he's new, but it's all I have to go on.

Vote Tyrith

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by me

I'll buy his vote

This should read "I'll buy his reveal."

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Lathum, you claim bodyguard...and im not sure why as i think barkeep was leading the vote....so answer me a few questions if you dont mind:

What is the reason given for your power? Like what illness?

And was i attacked on night one and you saved me or just nothing happened?

this just got interesting. If Lathum is on the up and up he clears Blade, which every one of us wants to keep us in the game. So why question it? I think even if he was lying and I was Blade I might just let him hang himself for a day on this...knowing that I was good.

Blade, are you not sure that Lathum is the bodyguard, or do you just feel that there wasn't an attack on you? Guess Lathum will answer it with a response on if he did in fact "protect" you and block an attack.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Anyhow the quitest person has been Ardent. Oh wait. He hasn't been quiet or playing. Tyrith wins that honor. I know he's new, but it's all I have to go on.

qwik also falls into the quiet catagory along w/ Schmidty, but the later usually plays a quiet game in most WW games I've been in with him.

[SnDvls]

dola - not accusing you schmidty, just an observation from past WW games and this one.

[Tyrith]

Somewhat understandable (if not scary) vote. Mainly I'm quiet because I'm still unsure as to precisely how I should act, but if that's what you've got now, I really don't have a better defense than that.

I still really don't have a lot to go on now, I'm open to any ideas for the next hour or so -- going to go play Magic at a local store this evening.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

this just got interesting. If Lathum is on the up and up he clears Blade, which every one of us wants to keep us in the game. So why question it? I think even if he was lying and I was Blade I might just let him hang himself for a day on this...knowing that I was good.

Blade, are you not sure that Lathum is the bodyguard, or do you just feel that there wasn't an attack on you? Guess Lathum will answer it with a response on if he did in fact "protect" you and block an attack.

Im very uncertain of it right now...its nice that he cleared me, but im not going to ignore him because he did.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

dola - not accusing you schmidty, just an observation from past WW games and this one.

LOLOLOLOLOL...hes afraid of the schmidty lash back i always used to get

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

LOLOLOLOLOL...hes afraid of the schmidty lash back i always used to get

that and I saw him in the thread.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Is one obligated to reveal information to the group if they have knowledge such as dubbs? Though, i still dont see how mckerneys french role clears lathum.

Even if dubb completely understands how that role works, it doesn't clear Lathum, I don't think. The "frenchman" would be a random player, and could possibly be a wolf (if I understand the game right).

Lathum's reveal, otoh, is bizarre enough that I almost believe him. Although it could be crazy like a fox, if you know what I mean.

Right now the only one I trust is Barkeep.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Even if dubb completely understands how that role works, it doesn't clear Lathum, I don't think. The "frenchman" would be a random player, and could possibly be a wolf (if I understand the game right).

Lathum's reveal, otoh, is bizarre enough that I almost believe him. Although it could be crazy like a fox, if you know what I mean.

Right now the only one I trust is Barkeep.

you didnt answer my question though

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

you didnt answer my question though

Do you mean the question "is dubb obligated" or another question?

The answer to "is dubb obligated" is like asking is it ok to bunt for a base hit in the 9th inning of a no-hitter. Why not? The wolves might not like it, but, you know, it might not even work.

[Poli]

Anyone want to play Connect 4?