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Old 04-06-2009, 04:17 PM   #201
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It's always tricky to judge a new player's actions, but I don't find Cartman's vote any more or less suspicious than the other 3 or 4 people who spread out their vote with already a few candidates up for lynch.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:17 PM   #202
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To what end? Do you really think that a pair of (relative) newbie "wolves" would be casting D1 votes on each other, trying to avoid linkage, etc? For the most part, I would expect most new wolves to completely avoid each other on Day 1. No voting each other, no mentioning each other in thread, no responding to each other, etc.

I do not think that I'll be voting for Cartman today. And I'll accept whatever linkage that may or may not suggest. Bottom line, I do not think that this is your best argument.

One last before I go. I would expect a new wolf to hide his vote on day 1 Hoops. Why jump on someone who is going down if you know them to be good? Why not just bury your vote and go with the flow(at that point it was the way the game was heading, everyone was just burying their vote)?
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:18 PM   #203
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Clap 3 Lathum ( 114), Passacaglia (158), Danny (181)
Hoops 2 PerdueBrad ( 115) Jackal (165)
Abe 2 BK (110), USFLTechmo ( 139),
Cartman 2 MartinD ( 164), Dubb (184)
Lathum 1 Clap ( 107)
Jackal 1 Hoops (109)
BK 1 Abe (122)
Autumn 1 lerriuqs ( 136)
Lerriuqs 1 Cartman( 167)
Poli 1 Schmidty ( 172)

Again it would be nice if we could cut the list of candidates down a bit.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:19 PM   #204
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One last before I go. I would expect a new wolf to hide his vote on day 1 Hoops. Why jump on someone who is going down if you know them to be good? Why not just bury your vote and go with the flow(at that point it was the way the game was heading, everyone was just burying their vote)?

I kind of agree with this, but I still don't see the logic for why Cartman's vote stands out as opposed to the other 3 or 4 people who did the same thing.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:25 PM   #205
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I'm sure a lot of us are going to be occupied from 8-12 tonight, but I'll make sure I check in leading up to the deadline a fair amount to see if my vote needs to be moved or what not.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:27 PM   #206
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I would like to consolidate votes as well, but would like to suggest we target someone who hasn't shown up today. I'll try to figure out who that is. If I can't get anyone to go with that plan I'll vote for one of the top vote contenders, but so far nothing has made me suspicious enough of anyone in particular.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:29 PM   #207
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I kind of agree with this, but I still don't see the logic for why Cartman's vote stands out as opposed to the other 3 or 4 people who did the same thing.

I think it's the timing, more than anything. 3 people already had 2 votes on them, and 5 others already had one. There's no point in opening up yet another person for suspicion at that point, and I can see the "burying the vote" point pretty well. Even so, had he fired back at Martin, it's possible it might be chalked up as a "revenge" vote, but that's not the case either.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:30 PM   #208
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Dubb, I'm not suggesting that Cartman's vote is good/bad/whatever. I just do not see it as standing out as any more nefarious than the other votes out there. I certainly do not see him attempting to avoid linkage with the guy who voted for him in some kind of overly complex wolf/wolf scenario.

I've gotten to the point where I've accepted that I'm not smart enough to spot multiple wolves in one sitting on Day 1. That is what Lathum's argument sounded like to me upon reading it.

Notice that I'm not suggesting Lathum (or you) are wolfish for voting for Cartman. I've got very little idea at this point, frankly. I just said that the argument posed by Lathum did not work for me.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:31 PM   #209
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I would like to consolidate votes as well, but would like to suggest we target someone who hasn't shown up today. I'll try to figure out who that is. If I can't get anyone to go with that plan I'll vote for one of the top vote contenders, but so far nothing has made me suspicious enough of anyone in particular.

Looks like 3 people without votes so far
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:34 PM   #210
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Chief Rum, Poli and one other who hasn't voted. I didn't really see who from scanning the list. I know CR has checked in and been active though.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:36 PM   #211
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The other is me. Poli seems to be the only one not active, if my readthrough is correct.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:36 PM   #212
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Looks like Autumn is the other without a vote, but he has obviously checked in as well.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:36 PM   #213
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Although I have you as not voted yet, Danny, right?
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:37 PM   #214
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I voted Clap, 3rd vote.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:38 PM   #215
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You did? Message number please?
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:39 PM   #216
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:42 PM   #217
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Sorry, guess this is me checking in. Can't believe I'm the last of 18 to do so.

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Old 04-06-2009, 04:42 PM   #218
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Oh thank you, I had missed writing that down. But what did you mean by third vote? oh, you meant third vote on Clap, I thought you meant third vote by anyone, lol, that explains it.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:44 PM   #219
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I would like to consolidate votes as well, but would like to suggest we target someone who hasn't shown up today. I'll try to figure out who that is. If I can't get anyone to go with that plan I'll vote for one of the top vote contenders, but so far nothing has made me suspicious enough of anyone in particular.

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Sorry, guess this is me checking in. Can't believe I'm the last of 18 to do so.

Vote Schmidty

I realize you and Schmidty have this whole vote for eachother day one thing, but the vote is already spread out enough.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:45 PM   #220
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All right, I still don't have any particular incentive. But it seems prudent to make sure we don't have a tie, so I'll vote Clap now as well. I should be in and out a few more times if we need to change.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:47 PM   #221
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I feel like I should post. But I don't have anything worthwhile to say other than I support consolidating around a few people for later meaningful analysis than having a huge spread.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:48 PM   #222
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oops.

VOTE CLAPHAMSA
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:49 PM   #223
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I realize you and Schmidty have this whole vote for eachother day one thing, but the vote is already spread out enough.
Amen. I believe Schmidty and Poli have even, once in the past, used their usual votes for each other as wolf cover (when they were both wolves). These automatic D1 votes harm future vote analysis because of the ease with which they can be dismissed by the person casting them.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:49 PM   #224
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So it looks like the votes are as follows:

3 votes - Clap
2 votes - Hoops, Abe, Cartman
1 vote - Lathum, Jackal, Barkeep, Autumn, Lerriuqs, Poli, Schmidty

I'm not going to move my vote at this point. I don't feel strongly on any of the candidates, beyond what I've already said about Cartman not being an overly devious wolf with his vote.

I won't be around at the vote deadline. Selfishly I'm hoping that this non-move does not come back to bite me. Realistically, it could but if it does we do not lose a roled character. That isn't the worst D1 result in the world.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:50 PM   #225
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Bump Clap up to four votes with Autum's vote in Post #222.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:51 PM   #226
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unvote lathum
vote abe

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Old 04-06-2009, 04:52 PM   #227
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I'm not planning on changing my vote, but I'll check in when I can - I more than likely won't be around at the deadline either (and that'll be the case all week).
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:52 PM   #228
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unvote lathum
vote abe

dont want a runnaway!

Especially since you're the one running
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:52 PM   #229
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Amen. I believe Schmidty and Poli have even, once in the past, used their usual votes for each other as wolf cover (when they were both wolves). These automatic D1 votes harm future vote analysis because of the ease with which they can be dismissed by the person casting them.

I congree
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:52 PM   #230
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Autumn's, that is. Typing is hard.

I think this will be my last post before both deadlines, so here is my thoughts on seer scan for tonight - check Autumn if Clap is good. That vote could very easily be an "agenda vote" protecting one of the people with two votes.

Or check me if you think I've got an agenda in suggesting who you (the seer) scans. Whatever works.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:52 PM   #231
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Only Chief Rum has yet to vote now.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:54 PM   #232
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Votes as of Post #231:
Clap 4 Lathum ( 114), Passacaglia (158), Danny (181), Clap (222)
Abe 3 BK (110), USFLTechmo ( 139), Clap (226)
Hoops 2 PerdueBrad ( 115) Jackal (165)
Cartman 2 MartinD ( 164), Dubb (184)
Jackal 1 Hoops (109)
BK 1 Abe (122)
Autumn 1 lerriuqs ( 136)
Lerriuqs 1 Cartman( 167)
Poli 1 Schmidty ( 172)
Schmidty 1 Poli (217)
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:55 PM   #233
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Thats a little off, Autumn voted Clap, he didn't vote for himself.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:55 PM   #234
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Autumn's, that is. Typing is hard.

I think this will be my last post before both deadlines, so here is my thoughts on seer scan for tonight - check Autumn if Clap is good. That vote could very easily be an "agenda vote" protecting one of the people with two votes.

Or check me if you think I've got an agenda in suggesting who you (the seer) scans. Whatever works.
C'mon. You know he's going to check you. Everyone checks you. It's the curse of being you.
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Old 04-06-2009, 04:57 PM   #235
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C'mon. You know he's going to check you. Everyone checks you. It's the curse of being sexy

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Old 04-06-2009, 05:00 PM   #236
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FIXED!
Unlike me, you've never actually met hoops in RL. Otherwise you'd never had made that post.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:02 PM   #237
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Amen. I believe Schmidty and Poli have even, once in the past, used their usual votes for each other as wolf cover (when they were both wolves). These automatic D1 votes harm future vote analysis because of the ease with which they can be dismissed by the person casting them.
I understand...though I think some of you are assuming things of me already. [/rolls eyes]

This is the first time since my "return" to werewolf that I've voted for Schmidty in the first day. I think that's a span of three or four games now.

Honestly, today's vote *is* because Schmidty voted for me...the only other person I think I would vote for is Chief Rum. That, though, spreads out the vote as well.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:04 PM   #238
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Unlike me, you've never actually met hoops in RL. Otherwise you'd never had made that post.
I can agree with this post.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:19 PM   #239
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Updated Votes (as of 238):

claphamsa 4 - Lathum (114), Passacaglia (158), Danny (181), Autumn (222)
The Jackal 1 - hoopsguy (108)
Abe Sargent 3 - Barkeep49 (109), USFLTecmo (139), claphamsa (226)
hoopsguy 2 - PurdueBrad (115), The Jackal (165)
Barkeep49 1 - Abe Sargent (122)
Autumn 1 - lerriuqs (136)
cartman 2 - MartinD (164), dubb93 (184)
lerriuqs 1 - cartman (167)
Poli 1 - Schmidty (172)
Schmidty 1 - Poli (217)

Yet to vote: Chief Rum
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:22 PM   #240
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Unvote Poli

Vote Abe


Let's see what happens.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:26 PM   #241
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Unlike me, you've never actually met hoops in RL. Otherwise you'd never had made that post.

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Old 04-06-2009, 05:27 PM   #242
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A reminder that Abe currently does not have his vote on Clap which means the voting is basically 5-4 for Clap right now.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:28 PM   #243
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Unvote Poli

Vote Abe


Let's see what happens.

Dammit, I wanna play with the new players!!!
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:29 PM   #244
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:31 PM   #245
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Sorry, got pulled into a RL meeting. No one there was named Bob, thankfully.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:31 PM   #246
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Sorry, got pulled into a RL meeting. No one there was named Bob, thankfully.

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Old 04-06-2009, 05:38 PM   #247
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I'll be out of the thread for a bit, heading home and having dinner. Will be on for a while after that through the deadline.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:42 PM   #248
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I'm going to go sneak dinner in my cubicle. I may not be back before deadline depending on how my files go after that (or rather whether the kids go to sleep).
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:45 PM   #249
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Why is everyone voting for clap again? He hasn't even been here to defend himself.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:48 PM   #250
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Why is everyone voting for clap again? He hasn't even been here to defend himself.

Why does anyone vote for anyone on day one usually? No real reason. Unfortunately nothing much has come out and Abe and Clap emerged as the candidates for today.
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