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Old 03-13-2013, 02:15 PM   #401
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vote coffee warlord

I dont think Lathum is a wolf.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:16 PM   #402
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Honestly, I do not like this line of thinking that wolves would risk a late switch from Lathum to DT if both are villagers. In that case I think wolves stick with their vote. I think the late switchers (not necessarily late voters) are less likely to be wolves if Lathum is a villager.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:21 PM   #403
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Yes i agree with that Danny. If Lathum is a villager those late switches look pretty good. I'm more interested in the earlier push that seems to take CW and Mau off the table.

Obviously this is contingent on Lathum not being a wolf in the first place
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:22 PM   #404
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Well lets do a midday switch since I said I liked two early and one seems to be the favorite of the group.

unvote Lathum
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:24 PM   #405
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Sweet, a few more votes and we can raise the white smoke!
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:26 PM   #406
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:28 PM   #407
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Well lets do a midday switch since I said I liked two early and one seems to be the favorite of the group.

unvote Lathum
vote Coffee Warlord

You were on me and stayed on me yesterday, too, well after the votes had moved elsewhere. Hmm.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:30 PM   #408
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I hate to push him up by 3 at this point, but he fits into my group I was looking at earlier.

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Old 03-13-2013, 02:33 PM   #409
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That's quite the pile onto Coffee. I think he's a decent candidate - a lot of what he was saying yesterday seemed a bit like he was playing to the gallery. But I can't fault his vote. Given the fact that it was day one I'd have done the same thing.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:34 PM   #410
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I'm seriously curious how I fit into this supposed that is leading towards a big run here.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:34 PM   #411
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supposed group, that is.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:36 PM   #412
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Me, play to the gallery? MADNESS!
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:41 PM   #413
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I hate to push him up by 3 at this point, but he fits into my group I was looking at earlier.

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Really? And you don't think you could at least push one of your other candidates and make there two from your group on the block? Having any candidate who hasn't been outed by a seer up three at this stage just seems ridiculous, and probably ensures a two-horse race which is a rubbish situation for the village to put itself in.

I'm surprised at how readily Lathum was dropped as a candidate. Looks like finding an easy candidate rather than anything else.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:44 PM   #414
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Well lets do a midday switch since I said I liked two early and one seems to be the favorite of the group.

unvote Lathum
vote Coffee Warlord

The more I think about it, the less I like this vote here.

D1 - Murray left his vote on me yesterday. He threw his vote on a villager who had a vote or two at that point. As I got a few more votes, more the better - he was in early enough. As the votes shifted, he stayed put - I still had a couple people on me, and odds are the people moving to DT would be scrutinized more. Safe play.

D2 - Middway switch to the same person, who already has several votes, and provide zero insight as to why. Get in early, you can easily defend yourself "he looked bad - look at all the other voters!", keep your defensible voting record.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:45 PM   #415
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You were on me and stayed on me yesterday, too, well after the votes had moved elsewhere. Hmm.

Yeah, I figured you and Lathum were doing too much stage chatter to be innocent. So it was a coin flip with my D2 vote last night and switched over to you today. Nothing wrong with going with my first guess yesterday again.

And seriously, why are there 2 R's in Starrcade?
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:47 PM   #416
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Really? And you don't think you could at least push one of your other candidates and make there two from your group on the block? Having any candidate who hasn't been outed by a seer up three at this stage just seems ridiculous, and probably ensures a two-horse race which is a rubbish situation for the village to put itself in.


Yes yes yes, wtf. Also, bhlloy's vote can move to CW, if he needs to save himself, so it's kind of a 3.5 vote lead.

Let's try to keep three involved.

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Old 03-13-2013, 02:55 PM   #417
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Really? And you don't think you could at least push one of your other candidates and make there two from your group on the block? Having any candidate who hasn't been outed by a seer up three at this stage just seems ridiculous, and probably ensures a two-horse race which is a rubbish situation for the village to put itself in.

I'm surprised at how readily Lathum was dropped as a candidate. Looks like finding an easy candidate rather than anything else.

But I don't like anyone else!
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:55 PM   #418
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The more I think about it, the less I like this vote here.

D1 - Murray left his vote on me yesterday. He threw his vote on a villager who had a vote or two at that point. As I got a few more votes, more the better - he was in early enough. As the votes shifted, he stayed put - I still had a couple people on me, and odds are the people moving to DT would be scrutinized more. Safe play.

D2 - Middway switch to the same person, who already has several votes, and provide zero insight as to why. Get in early, you can easily defend yourself "he looked bad - look at all the other voters!", keep your defensible voting record.

D1 - Well it can be seen as a safe play... or a right play. the guy who had voted for you (according to 206) and jumped on Lathum, then got night killed. Coincidence, maybe but there isn't much else to go off of right now.

D2 - (In 329) I still had you on my short list with Mau and Latham. I think the quote I saw from people was put on some early pressure to see how I squirm. Guess it's time for me to watch for a squirm.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:56 PM   #419
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Really? And you don't think you could at least push one of your other candidates and make there two from your group on the block? Having any candidate who hasn't been outed by a seer up three at this stage just seems ridiculous, and probably ensures a two-horse race which is a rubbish situation for the village to put itself in.

I'm surprised at how readily Lathum was dropped as a candidate. Looks like finding an easy candidate rather than anything else.

Ding ding ding. I'm not sure I see why increasing a lead is a good thing at this point in the day.

And yes, I too am curious why there are no lathum voters. I think bhlloy was on him early then switched to me for feeling better about lathum after some thinking on the brit kill. Not sure what group of wolves would kill any of the candidates last night... so that logic doesn't sound right at this point.

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Old 03-13-2013, 02:56 PM   #420
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D2 above was in reference to me being stacked last game. Not this game obviously. I forget who but some stated the last hour votes for me were to see how I'd react.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:59 PM   #421
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Well, when you decide to pile onto one candidate in the middle of the day, you're not going to get much squirming.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:00 PM   #422
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Besides, I already peed out my morning coffee. No squirming necessary.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:00 PM   #423
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unvote CW
vote Lathum


My afternoon is a little busier but I will still be able to check in throughout the evening and I will without a doubt have zero issue being around deadline.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:04 PM   #424
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Well, when you decide to pile onto one candidate in the middle of the day, you're not going to get much squirming.

Depends on how many people move their votes later... Don't expect to see anything this early. Especially if main characters reveal at 10:01 PM like last night.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:05 PM   #425
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Besides, I already peed out my morning coffee. No squirming necessary.

Plus who said the squirm would come from you... I thought there were multiple wolves still alive.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:09 PM   #426
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Meh!

I remember why I find werewolf tough now. I don't know what to think. In these circumstances I tend to think it's villager chasing villager, creating havoc and the wolves not doing much of anything. I'm trying to give murrayyyyy some leeway for being new but I'm really not liking his actions today.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:11 PM   #427
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Wait, what did murrayyyyy do? PF's vote seems like the crazier one.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:12 PM   #428
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So...your line of thinking.

You want to encourage movement later by voting me now. I'd rather have discussion all day as much as possible. Doesn't work as well when one candidate has a big lead.

You expect the wolves to squirm. When they already have an advantage right now (with Ray & Winston dead). When they still have their full number and can, theoretically, still convert. I'd totally sacrifice a wolf to look good if need be in this position.

Not a great line of thinking in my book.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:17 PM   #429
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unvote coffee
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:21 PM   #430
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Wait, what did murrayyyyy do? PF's vote seems like the crazier one.

Don't like how he came out swinging at Lathum and then switched so early to Coffee without seeing if anyone else was looking at Lathum - didn't even really say why he was switching other than he had two candidates and he was happy to go with the flow. Bhlloy explained his switch more convincingly.

Packers vote is just to crazy to be wolfy.

Of course I'm going to look like crap if Coffee comes up wolf after all this, but what can you do?
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:23 PM   #431
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Putting my money where my yaks are.

Unvote Bhlloy
Vote Murrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:24 PM   #432
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One thing I'd like to say is that there's a lot of talk about this group of three or that group of three and them "having" to include a wolf. This is just silly. Pick three names at random and start talking about that group having to have a wolf in it and it stands up just as well.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:29 PM   #433
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Meh!

I remember why I find werewolf tough now. I don't know what to think. In these circumstances I tend to think it's villager chasing villager, creating havoc and the wolves not doing much of anything. I'm trying to give murrayyyyy some leeway for being new but I'm really not liking his actions today.

Well I'm taking a huge assumption that the wolves placed late night kill (within the last 15 mins) because of the large voting crowd for day one. No use in turning in a night kill so early based off D1 chaotic voting that seems to be dart board methods usually.

Here's all the talk I've seen. Lathum declares he is a vanilla villager 4-5 times so far. Then he said if he was a wolf he would do a fake reveal. So if he was a wolf he would do a fake reveal and he said he wasn't a wolf. That's why I voted for him late last night. He's quick to point out when someone else does it but no one sensed it except for me (which may be a bad read on my part)

Plus when I look above, I move to Coffee and Mau follows me with a jump on Lathum. Isn't Mau moving his early vote off someone who is getting stacked on more worrisome than me moving my vote? According to Coffee-logic, Mau is making a defensive wolf move early by getting off him and moving to Lathum to make it's a 2 horse race.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:30 PM   #434
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Alright, I need to think on this more. Jumped the gun and made myself look bad, I don't like that.

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Old 03-13-2013, 03:33 PM   #435
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Damn right! You see! A vote for Coffee is a vote for LUCIFER.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:36 PM   #436
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...but in this game, wouldn't we want Lucifer dead? DID YOU JUST REVEAL AS A WOLF?
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:36 PM   #437
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As of #435

Coffee Warlord 2 - Chubby (356), murra5y (404)
bhlloy 1 - Narcizo (363)
Autumn 1 - Lathum (326)
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Murrayyyyy 1 - Coffee (431)

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Old 03-13-2013, 03:39 PM   #438
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Geez. All this posturing. Bad game not to be around at deadline for.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:39 PM   #439
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I have a feeling tonights deadline might be a little whackier.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:43 PM   #440
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Here's all the talk I've seen. Lathum declares he is a vanilla villager 4-5 times so far. Then he said if he was a wolf he would do a fake reveal. So if he was a wolf he would do a fake reveal and he said he wasn't a wolf. That's why I voted for him late last night. He's quick to point out when someone else does it but no one sensed it except for me (which may be a bad read on my part).

OK, I have read this paragraph 8 times and still have no idea what you are trying to say
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:46 PM   #441
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Well I need to make some sort of long-term voting decision. Of the candidates out there I feel least worst about voting murrayyyyy. So I shall continue to hitch my wagon to the coffee train. Realising what that could be interpreted as. (*whisper* me being Peck and having coffee as my designated wolfy).

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Old 03-13-2013, 03:48 PM   #442
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YOU FOOL!
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:49 PM   #443
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OK, I have read this paragraph 8 times and still have no idea what you are trying to say

You wolfishly fake revealed as a non-wolf. I think.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:50 PM   #444
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Seems appropriate right now.

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Old 03-13-2013, 03:55 PM   #445
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I'm ok with a vote for me. You wont kill a wolf but at least you wont hit a villager with a role

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I don't want to vote CW, but will for survival. You will get no fake reveal or anything from me. I am just a villager

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I'll switch to what ever keeps me alive.

That being said there will be no last minute reveal from me. I am just a villager. No great loss.

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no, but if I was a wolf at the very least I would be fake revealing

So you declare you are a villager at least 3 times last night and no night kill on you. Then you state if you were a wolf then you would fake reveal. So how would a villager reveal 3 times yesterday (not counting your I'm a villager and won't read the rules statement earlier) and somehow not get voted off. Simple answer would be because he was a wolf who fake revealed. (not saying it's right but you are the one who made the above statements the most)

In the past 2 games (one in which I was a wolf) you have voiced public opinion on why we left someone who claims to be a vanilla villager isn't night killed. By that logic, how did a night kill not happen to you?

I've talked myself out of Coffee now...

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Old 03-13-2013, 04:00 PM   #446
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So you declare you are a villager at least 3 times last night and no night kill on you. Then you state if you were a wolf then you would fake reveal. So how would a villager reveal 3 times yesterday (not counting your I'm a villager and won't read the rules statement earlier) and somehow not get voted off. Simple answer would be because he was a wolf who fake revealed. (not saying it's right but you are the one who made the above statements the most)

In the past 2 games (one in which I was a wolf) you have voiced public opinion on why we left someone who claims to be a vanilla villager isn't night killed. By that logic, how did a night kill not happen to you?

Your logic is flawed

early in games it isn't uncommon that wolves woud rather hunt for a rolled villager than kill a vanilla villager.

The biggest thing is I was under so much pressure yesterday, and am still unknown today, so why would the wolves waste their time night killing me when there is a high liklihood I will be a lynch target today?
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:10 PM   #447
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Let's ramp it up and make this a four-horse race...for no good reason other than I can!

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Old 03-13-2013, 04:16 PM   #448
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The biggest thing is I was under so much pressure yesterday, and am still unknown today, so why would the wolves waste their time night killing me when there is a high liklihood I will be a lynch target today?

Why would you be a lynch target today? I've been doing more D1 reading than today but have you jumped to the lead in votes? You just said that early on they try for specialty characters. If you are truly vanilla then why target you? Why wouldn't they leave you around for a few days and take you out then?
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:21 PM   #449
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I've had a lot of school work the past couple days, so been out of it a bit. I'm hoping to be more involved today.

Or instead maybe my day will turn into a disaster. I'll catch up now, but then will be scarce until about 9 EST.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:28 PM   #450
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And seriously, why are there 2 R's in Starrcade?

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Seriously, no one called him on this?
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