If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I guess mocking Damar Hamlin for having cardiac arrest on the field and having to be revived via CPR is now a MAGA thing

I think they are just at a point where every single aspect of life has to be part of some culture war. And to turn everything into some culture war, you have to be on the opposite side of everyone.

So now you have people who can't just accept that a player had a serious injury on the field and made it. You have to deny it happened and claim they are evil. You have people who cheer on mass shooters. It's just a weird cult like atmosphere among some of these people.

[RainMaker]

I guess to follow-up, M&Ms dropped their "spokescandies" because some people on the right got mad they couldn't jerk off to them anymore.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I guess to follow-up, M&Ms dropped their "spokescandies" because some people on the right got mad they couldn't jerk off to them anymore.

I’m gonna need you to fill in some gaps here.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I’m gonna need you to fill in some gaps here.

Tucker ranted about changes to the M&Ms candies in the commercials. He complained they made them less sexy and more inclusive. He had a weird obsession about the sexiness of cartoon candies.

Today Mars announced Maya Rudolph would replace the candies in commercials.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think they are just at a point where every single aspect of life has to be part of some culture war. And to turn everything into some culture war, you have to be on the opposite side of everyone.

So now you have people who can't just accept that a player had a serious injury on the field and made it. You have to deny it happened and claim they are evil. You have people who cheer on mass shooters. It's just a weird cult like atmosphere among some of these people.

This is really insightful.

[Lathum]

I wonder if they will blame the woke mob or does that only work one way?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I’m gonna need you to fill in some gaps here.

Tucker Carlson Mocks M&Ms for 'Gender-Inclusive' Rebrand of Characters

Those quotes are real. It's kind of beyond parody at this point.

"The green M&M, you will notice, is no longer wearing sexy boots. Now she's wearing sensible sneakers. Why the change? Well according to M&Ms, 'We all win when we see more women in leading roles.'"

"Because leading women do not wear sexy boots, leading women wear frumpy shoes. The frumpier the better. That's the rule," the Fox News host said mockingly.

"The other big change is that the brown M&M has 'transitioned from high stilettos to lower block heels,' also less sexy. That's progress. M&Ms will not be satisfied until every last cartoon character is deeply unappealing and totally androgynous.

"Until the moment you wouldn't want to have a drink with any one of them. That's the goal. When you are totally turned off, we've achieved equity. They've won."

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

One of the most visible dopes in the J6 insurrection found guilty on all counts.

Richard Barnett found guilty on all counts for Jan. 6 riot | 5newsonline.com

Love how his lawyer said they are going to appeal. DC is not a state, this was not an Arkansas(where he is from) jury. Yeah good luck with that

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Love how his lawyer said they are going to appeal. DC is not a state, this was not an Arkansas(where he is from) jury. Yeah good luck with that

I LOLed at that also.

Here is an idea. You don't want to be tried in a jurisdiction that doesn't favor you demographically maybe don't commit crimes there?

[stevew]

holy shit this whole M&Ms thing is cringe

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Love how his lawyer said they are going to appeal. DC is not a state, this was not an Arkansas(where he is from) jury. Yeah good luck with that

He was trying so hard to not say black.

I would recommend that if you are ever I. Court o. Serious federal charges, you hire a better lawyer than this.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Trumps closest competitor is DeSantis and he lacks the charisma the base is so fond of. Trump will DESTROY him on a debate stage, hell Charlie Christ made him malfunction.

Debates are nearly irrelevant in modern politics. They don't move the needle in the general. They have some importance in primaries, but not as much as they used to even there. Trump himself is very low on the charisma scale, so I don't get this assertion.

Originally Posted by Lathum

So you tell me who is beating Trump and how/why.

It depends on who runs, but right now I'd give DeSantis 3:1 odds at beating Trump and I think that's conservative. Unless I misunderstand you, I really don't get the nobody's knocking him from his pedestal bit. Of course they haven't; the last time he ran he was the incumbent president. Nobody's had a chance to yet. But what we have seen is his support and influence crumbling since that time. That's not to say he doesn't have any, but I see no reason to doubt the reporting that the biggest reason he's running is as a potential shield against indictments. Worked for Julius Caesar and it worked for Trump while he was President, no reason not to keep going for it. But it's not like everyone is just in love with DeSantis and that's why Trump is lower in the polls. He's losing support from his base, his overall unfavorables are lower than they have been since he was elected in '16, and his favorability among Republicans is in the 60s. It was in the high 80s/low 90s when he was President no matter what stupid, incompetent, or impeachable thing he did.

If DeSantis runs and Republicans nominate Trump, I'll post a thread which says in all caps 'I WAS WRONG' and eat as much crow as you want to dish at me . I don't see it happening.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

It depends on who runs, but right now I'd give DeSantis 3:1 odds at beating Trump and I think that's conservative.

I see it the same. It seems most of Trump's supporters want someone else Trump enough to make them feel comfortable not voting for Trump. Right now that guy is DeSantis.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

No one in that party has even come close to knocking him from his pedestal. Why should we assume it happens in the next 15 months?

Because even his supporters have realized he's one of the biggest losers in modern political history. I've seen Trump diehards saying he's the GOP's Hillary. They blame dems for it (which is ironic), but they see him as too damaged to win a general election. I've seen some of the fringe-Q or Q-adjacents say he's a dem plant that was brought in to destroy the GOP.

Trump has his fans. He has his supporters. They love him. But they desperately want someone else to step into his shoes and unlike 2016 there will be other options.

[Lathum]

We will have to agree to disagree. I think Trump has quite a bit of charisma, especially compared to DeSantis. I think once the electorate gets a longer view at him they will see his quite the one trick pony with his culture war issues. The broader base showed us during the midterms they really aren't interested in that stuff. Plays well in Florida but not sure it does nationally.

I think debates don't matter regarding policy, etc...but they sure as shit matter for soundbites, and Trump will absolutely annihilate DeSantis in that area. FFS Charlie Christ was able to.

If Trump can move just a little from his stolen election grievances and focus on his accomplishments in the first 3 years of his term along with the perceived Biden failures I think he picks up a lot of support.

Now one thing I will say is I was surprised DeSantis was slightly ahead of Trump on predictit, but maybe people are looking for value. I just think he is still the biggest presence in the party and get the nomination if he wants it. I hope he does, I think he will be easier to beat then anyone else the right runs out.

[Lathum]

Emerson with a new poll. I know, polling, blah blah blah....

NATIONAL POLL

2024 GOP Primary@realDonaldTrump 55%@RonDeSantisFL 29%@Mike_Pence 6%@NikkiHaley 3%
Someone else 4%https://t.co/6YLAS68WnF pic.twitter.com/aLCmejfhkk

— Emerson College Polling (@EmersonPolling) January 24, 2023

[Lathum]

NATIONAL POLL

2024 Hypothetical Match-ups@JoeBiden 41%@realDonaldTrump 44%
Someone else 10%
4% undecided@JoeBiden 40%@RonDeSantisFL 39%
Someone else 13%
9% undecidedhttps://t.co/6YLAS69udd

— Emerson College Polling (@EmersonPolling) January 24, 2023

[Ghost Econ]

Emerson is practically owned by Trump.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

If DeSantis runs and Republicans nominate Trump, I'll post a thread which says in all caps 'I WAS WRONG' and eat as much crow as you want to dish at me . I don't see it happening.

I’m not as confident as you, I’ll say good chance but not 3:1.

Forget crow, we need more FOFC’ers eating collard greens.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Emerson is practically owned by Trump.

At least Trump hasn't gotten to Lake & Palmer yet.

[Ksyrup]

What an unlucky man he is. With all the losing and everything.

[RainMaker]

These dudes can't get enough of fellating the Saudis. Like have an ounce of self respect.

Americans are safer because we didn’t label Saudi Arabia a pariah state. I never let the media bully me. Just b/c someone is a part-time stringer for WaPo doesn’t make their life more important than our military serving in dangerous places protecting us all. I never forgot that. https://t.co/jidmb6R6oU

— Mike Pompeo (@mikepompeo) January 24, 2023

[Ghost Econ]

I didn't want to spill the secret, but the original Paul McCartney was actually killed by the COVID vaccine before finishing Sgt. Peppers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64404824

Activists who blamed NFL star Damar Hamlin's on-field collapse this month on Covid-19 vaccines have concocted another baseless conspiracy theory - that the player has been replaced by a "body double" or even a "clone".

[Lathum]

Sick irony considering Fox News created this guy. Even after Pelosi was attacked by throwing out all the conspiracies about the attack. This guy should be locked up forever. He clearly isn't sorry about what he did.

Paul Pelosi attacker David DePape makes chilling call to TV station: 'I'm so sorry I didn't get more of them'

[GrantDawg]

Trump is about to have his first official challenger. Nikki Haley plans on announcing February 15th. I don't know how these anti-Trump, then pro-Trump, become credible anti-Trump again.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Trump is about to have his first official challenger. Nikki Haley plans on announcing February 15th. I don't know how these anti-Trump, then pro-Trump, become credible anti-Trump again.

There's the scene in Boogie Nights where the bank is turning down Don Cheadle's character for a loan. And he's begging the loan officer--please, just tell me what to write on the application, and I'll write it. Just tell me whatever you want me to say, and I'll say it.

Hyper-pandering politicians always make me think of that scene. They are just broken people standing in front of the voters begging them "Please. I will say and do whatever you want."

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Trump is about to have his first official challenger. Nikki Haley plans on announcing February 15th. I don't know how these anti-Trump, then pro-Trump, become credible anti-Trump again.

I want to say I predicted this

Originally Posted by NobodyHere circa 2016

And Nikki Haley is Ambassador to the UN.

I think it's fairly safe to start printing those Haley 2024 stickers now.

[Qwikshot]

I don't think Trump is going to seriously run, he's going to milk it and probably gum up the works for any front-runner and find some sleaze deal so he can stay in the spotlight while "supporting" them.

[Ghost Econ]

I can't wait til he Trump makes a "red dot" vs. headdress remark about Haley. Old people will eat that shit up.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I want to say I predicted this

I welcome anyone GOP candidate but Trump

Looking forward to the GOP infighting

[stevew]

She won’t make a primary.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

I don't think Trump is going to seriously run, he's going to milk it and probably gum up the works for any front-runner and find some sleaze deal so he can stay in the spotlight while "supporting" them.

I think that 2016 did not start as a serious campaign. He wanted to avoid prosecution and make money, and it really got out of control.

But, having had that power, he wants it back. I think that it kills him that he has to sit in his fake White House in Florida and pretend. I think that he is deadly serious about running this time.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

At least Trump hasn't gotten to Lake & Palmer yet.

Underrated, imo

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Underrated, imo

He's clearly not seen the last Arizona election and is not familiar with the billionaire in California who has been keeping Trump afloat.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Trump is about to have his first official challenger. Nikki Haley plans on announcing February 15th. I don't know how these anti-Trump, then pro-Trump, become credible anti-Trump again.

I think it's pretty easy. They profess their love and admiration for him but concentrate on his inability to win. He's past his prime. So they aren't really anti-Trump as much as pragmatists about how divisive he clearly is to moderates/independents who they need at least a portion of to win the election.

[stevew]

I’m here fir the nicknames and bullying. I wonder if it’ll be Slick Nikki or Tricky Nikki or Darling Nikki or something else.


And can we crop whatever just messed up this page?

[GrantDawg]

I agree that she won't make it to the primary. She would have been a strong candidate pre-Trump. Now, she is not crazy enough no matter how much she tries.

[Lathum]

I linked an article but it broke the page. Bulwark poll out saying 28% of republicans would go with Trump if he went independent.

What an absolute destructive force he has become.

I wonder if these 28% actually think Trump is so popular he can win as an independent, or are they just so indoctrinated in the cult the party doesn't matter.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I think that 2016 did not start as a serious campaign. He wanted to avoid prosecution and make money, and it really got out of control.

But, having had that power, he wants it back. I think that it kills him that he has to sit in his fake White House in Florida and pretend. I think that he is deadly serious about running this time.

HE wants a revenge tour. If he was to get reelected that is all it would be. There would be zero actual governing. It would be 100% vengeance and his base would eat it up while the country burns.

[Lathum]

Exclusive Bulwark Poll: Most Republicans Want to Move on from Trump - The Bulwark

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I linked an article but it broke the page. Bulwark poll out saying 28% of republicans would go with Trump if he went independent.

What an absolute destructive force he has become.

I wonder if these 28% actually think Trump is so popular he can win as an independent, or are they just so indoctrinated in the cult the party doesn't matter.

I would remind the forum that the number of people who say they would vote for a third party candidate is always much higher than people who actually vote 3rd party.

[albionmoonlight]

The two most popular candidates are always "3rd party" and "Generic opponent"

[Lathum]

Yeah but we’ve never had a cult leader as a third party candidate. Hell, if even a small fraction of those people are honest it tanks the GOP. Even if he doesn’t run at all I wonder how many would write him in or just stay home.

[Atocep]

Trump just isn't doing well in polling for a popular (with his party) former President. And what I've seen browsing popular conservative sites and talking to conservative family lines up with the Bulwark polls. They still like Trump, but deep down they know he isn't winning a general election so they want someone else.

I'd be shocked if he ran as a 3rd party candidate. He's mostly in this for the fundraising and the possibility of getting back into the White House and starting his revenge tour. As a 3rd party candidate he's admitting he can't win. He'd have to be desperate for cash to make that run imo.

Nikki Haley would have been a threat as a candidate pre-Trump, but she has no chance representing the party of racism, bigotry, and misogyny.

I will say it's going to be interesting to see who the evangelicals get behind. I'm assuming DeSantis simply because Trump has shown they're more about power and influence than any of their beliefs.

[GrantDawg]

Interestingly, Don Jr. Released his first podcast today. He reportedly started with how well HE is polling for 2024.

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[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Nikki Haley would have been a threat as a candidate pre-Trump, but she has no chance representing the party of racism, bigotry, and misogyny.

She locked up patron saint Dylan Roof and took down God's flag from the statehouse in South Carolina. She stands no chance with half their electorate.

[Ghost Econ]

And just to show how backwards Nikki Haley's state still is, this shirt is for sale at the local racist r us store just outside Greenville, SC. The parking lot was full when we drove past Saturday.

I don't think they see the irony.

[JPhillips]

I'm not sure what is dumber, MTG saying an elementary school in IL spent 5.1 billion in Covid funds on DEI training or DeSantis proposing a budget that eliminates the sales tax on gas stoves.

The GOP has nothing other than greivances.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Nikki Haley would have been a threat as a candidate pre-Trump, but she has no chance representing the party of racism, bigotry, and misogyny.
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Make no mistake, she knows it too, but she also knows a great way to grift for her retirement and this is all it is about, making a buck.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Make no mistake, she knows it too, but she also knows a great way to grift for her retirement and this is all it is about, making a buck.

No doubt

In recent days I've regretted not jumping on the Trump merch train and setting up a stand on weekends in right wing parts here in washington state. I'd probably well on my way to retirement now.