NFL: Divisional Playoff Round - Page 25

JonInMiddleGA · 01-15-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Deattribution

... but I wouldn't say by stating the obvious he's selling his team out.

It's pretty clear to me that honesty is such a shock coming from a pro athlete that very few people know how to deal with it.

"Under a bus" is where the Colts O-Line belongs after today's performance, so I really don't see a problem with somebody saying it. Problem is, they'll mostly survive the debacle, as will the head coach who will get far too easy a free pass for having utterly failed to prepare his team. Only the "idiot kicker" is probably going to get a change of venue from the whole miserable affair. And that may be the biggest problem with the whole scenario.

st.cronin · 01-15-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

It's pretty clear to me that honesty is such a shock coming from a pro athlete that very few people know how to deal with it.

"Under a bus" is where the Colts O-Line belongs after today's performance, so I really don't see a problem with somebody saying it. Problem is, they'll mostly survive the debacle, as will the head coach who will get far too easy a free pass for having utterly failed to prepare his team. Only the "idiot kicker" is probably going to get a change of venue from the whole miserable affair. And that may be the biggest problem with the whole scenario.

LMAO

jeff061 · 01-15-2006, 08:11 PM

Everyone knows it, it doesn't need to be said. There's honesty and there's attemping to put distance between yourself and what caused the loss.

Did Seymour need to come out after the Patriots game and say "Well, let's just say we had some offensive issues." for the sake of honesty?

st.cronin · 01-15-2006, 08:12 PM

I <3 Joey Porter.

"It's tough enough to play against the Colts themselves," Steelers linebacker Joey Porter said. "When you have to play against the Colts and the refs, it's a much harder game."

Desnudo · 01-15-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

It's pretty clear to me that honesty is such a shock coming from a pro athlete that very few people know how to deal with it.

"Under a bus" is where the Colts O-Line belongs after today's performance, so I really don't see a problem with somebody saying it. Problem is, they'll mostly survive the debacle, as will the head coach who will get far too easy a free pass for having utterly failed to prepare his team. Only the "idiot kicker" is probably going to get a change of venue from the whole miserable affair. And that may be the biggest problem with the whole scenario.

Agreed, I think the Colts should keep Money at kicker as I enjoy watching him choke.

jeff061 · 01-15-2006, 08:13 PM

There are a ton of complaints from the Steelers about the refs. Wonder if anyone gets fined. The refs should have to cover the costs.

Desnudo · 01-15-2006, 08:27 PM

Just like to cross-reference post-game quotes w/this one posted by TroyF.

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Originally Posted by TroyF

Interesting. But Chris Carter has the brains of a fruit fly.

My favorite, favorite quote from any Patriots player last night:

’You can’t say we did it to ourselves,” All-Pro defensive end Richard Seymour said. ‘’When you say we beat ourselves you’re not giving the other team enough credit. We did make a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes, but in a way they forced them. As a competitive player and as a man you have to accept it. They did it to us. I’m disappointed. Very disappointed. But if you can’t accept a loss, what kind of person are you?”

Classy, admitted the failure the Patriots made as a team without trying to take away anything Denver did. Props to you Mr. Seymour.

jeff061 · 01-15-2006, 08:32 PM

Colvin said the same thing. Samuel actually took the blame of that interference call. Really only Belichick showed a bit of attitude.

GrantDawg · 01-15-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Everyone knows it, it doesn't need to be said. There's honesty and there's attemping to put distance between yourself and what caused the loss.

Did Seymour need to come out after the Patriots game and say "Well, let's just say we had some offensive issues." for the sake of honesty?

I wouldn't have had a problem with that comment. If he said "the quarterback choked" then you are throwing a player under the bus. If you say "the offense had problems" then you are just stating a fact.

Senator · 01-15-2006, 09:38 PM

Sideline wannabees always can tell you what someone "really" meant. What is your playoff records?

dubb93 · 01-15-2006, 10:18 PM

Lost in all of the discussion of how the steelers had to play the colts AND the refs is the fact that the steelers had 2 penalties for 8 yards while the colts had 9 for 67.

Hurst2112 · 01-15-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Lost in all of the discussion of how the steelers had to play the colts AND the refs is the fact that the steelers had 2 penalties for 8 yards while the colts had 9 for 67.

is that irony? I don't know. It's a very good point though. Very proud of that stat.

Desnudo · 01-15-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Lost in all of the discussion of how the steelers had to play the colts AND the refs is the fact that the steelers had 2 penalties for 8 yards while the colts had 9 for 67.

You're right, the Colts should have had at least two more.

33sherman · 01-15-2006, 10:50 PM

One thing I like about the Colts loss: every so often when I play FOF, a 14-2 or 15-1 team loses that first home game in the playoffs and I think--bull****! That wouldn't happen!

But it does.

Hurst2112 · 01-15-2006, 10:59 PM

i took a look at the colts forum. aside from a couple steeler fans spouting off, the colts fans seem to be pretty classy about the game. there was a big thread about troy's int. that was interesting to read.

Hurst2112 · 01-15-2006, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 33sherman

One thing I like about the Colts loss: every so often when I play FOF, a 14-2 or 15-1 team loses that first home game in the playoffs and I think--bull****! That wouldn't happen!

But it does.

ive seen that and am in the same boat.

cthomer5000 · 01-15-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

i took a look at the colts forum. aside from a couple steeler fans spouting off, the colts fans seem to be pretty classy about the game. there was a big thread about troy's int. that was interesting to read.

From a Colts perspective, at least the loss meant they didn't have to feel conflicted about winning that game. I was rooting for the Colts, but i would not have felt good about them winning the game after the reversal of the Polamalu INT.

Julio Riddols · 01-16-2006, 01:35 AM

If you ask me, Peyton has every right to call out his O-line. Yeah, he made a few mistakes, but I think he was sort of forced into trying to make plays that he may not normally make. The offensive line was letting guys through on almost every single play from what I saw, and that is VERY unlike them. It was like they had no idea what the Steelers were doing. If Peyton didn't have to run for his life most of the game (Which he can't do anyway) Maybe he doesn't make so many mistakes.

I mean on some of those plays it was like the offensive line just decided not to block people, especially on the play where Hampton chased him to the sideline before the sack for a near safety. He ran right between TWO offensive linemen with little resistance.

Also, Troy Polamalu is just plain ridiculous. I've never seen a guy who was seemingly omnipresent like that, but I have heard of a dude people call "God". Might that have been him?

Eaglesfan27 · 01-16-2006, 02:05 AM

I would agree that Peyton should have held his O-Line accountable, but it should have remained behind closed doors and not aired out in public.

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 08:20 AM

Interesting stat:

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Since overcoming a 13-6 deficit and defeating Dallas 16-13 in Super Bowl V, the Colts have never recovered from a halftime deficit in the playoffs.

Jan 15, 2006 Pittsburgh
Jan 16, 2005 New England
Jan 18, 2004 New England
Jan 4, 2003 New York Jets
Jan 14, 1996 Pittsburgh
Dec 19, 1976 Pittsburgh
Jan 2, 1972 Miami

Interestingly enough from this, the Colts weren't even winning at halftime the past four years.

rkmsuf · 01-16-2006, 08:24 AM

You can cross the Colts off now. Never seen anything like that team and their ability to lay down ever year in the playoffs. It's the one sure thing in football.

Daimyo · 01-16-2006, 09:41 AM

I wish Peyton had kept his mouth shut, but he was absolutely correct. The Colts lost that game because they could not handle the Pittsburg pass rush. If you watch the drives where the Steelers blitzed and the ones they didn't its like two completely different offenses playing.

I do think its a leap to go from "Peyton blamed the protection" to "Peyton called out the oline." There is much more to the protection that the oline. Personally, I blame the coaching staff and the gameplan. This oline has played well all season so I can't imagine they lost on effort or technique. I just think the Colts somehow came into this game totally unprepared on both sides of the ball. The offensive gameplan had no answer for the Steeler blitz and the defensive gameplan had no answer for passes over the middle. I just can't understand how that could happen...

Butter · 01-16-2006, 09:45 AM

Let's go BRONCS! I dislike Shanahan, but I can get past the weaselly factor if they can prevent crazy jaw from winning a Super Bowl.

jeff061 · 01-16-2006, 09:47 AM

The fact he said "I don't want to be a bad teammate" made it pretty clear his intention was to blame the o-line, even before he said it.

Hurst2112 · 01-16-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Let's go BRONCS! I dislike Shanahan, but I can get past the weaselly factor if they can prevent crazy jaw from winning a Super Bowl.

Shouldn't you be defending you star receiver and his choke holds on coaches? Or trying to sell your Kitna jersey on ebay? Doing something other than dissin' the coach of a team that owns yours?

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

I wish Peyton had kept his mouth shut, but he was absolutely correct. The Colts lost that game because they could not handle the Pittsburg pass rush. If you watch the drives where the Steelers blitzed and the ones they didn't its like two completely different offenses playing.

I do think its a leap to go from "Peyton blamed the protection" to "Peyton called out the oline." There is much more to the protection that the oline. Personally, I blame the coaching staff and the gameplan. This oline has played well all season so I can't imagine they lost on effort or technique. I just think the Colts somehow came into this game totally unprepared on both sides of the ball. The offensive gameplan had no answer for the Steeler blitz and the defensive gameplan had no answer for passes over the middle. I just can't understand how that could happen...

I think the Colts should have run a few draws. Edgerrin James surely could have been used better. They were only down 14-3 and basically abandoned the run.

Hurst2112 · 01-16-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I think the Colts should have run a few draws. Edgerrin James surely could have been used better. They were only down 14-3 and basically abandoned the run.

yeah.

it was unusual to see him get going on that 98 yard drive and then be held back for the rest of the game. I was expecting to see a hundred yard game out of him.

Butter · 01-16-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

Or trying to sell your Kitna jersey on ebay?

Sad thing is, I still have a Ki-Jana Carter jersey somewhere. With any luck, destroyed in my recent sewage backup into my basement.

But Cowher has won as many Super Bowls as the Bengals in the last 14 years, so deal with that.

Yeah, I'm going to stick with that retort, I guess.

Hurst2112 · 01-16-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Sad thing is, I still have a Ki-Jana Carter jersey somewhere. With any luck, destroyed in my recent sewage backup into my basement.

But Cowher has won as many Super Bowls as the Bengals in the last 14 years, so deal with that.

Yeah, I'm going to stick with that retort, I guess.

you just broke my 'weak comeback 'ometer'.

Check that sewage backup. You might find remnants of the Bengal's season in there.

Butter · 01-16-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

you just broke my 'weak comeback 'ometer'.

That's "weak-comeback-o-meter". Damn, where did you learn your English, Duquesne University?

OH YEAH! PWNED, Pittsburgh-style!

Hurst2112 · 01-16-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

That's "weak-comeback-o-meter". Damn, where did you learn your English, Duquesne University?

university of cincinnati actually.

I'll stop. Let's continue this next year.

korme · 01-16-2006, 01:18 PM

The Panthers, Seahawks, Broncos, or Steelers are going to be SB Champs? Doesn't seem right.

panerd · 01-16-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

The offensive gameplan had no answer for the Steeler blitz and the defensive gameplan had no answer for passes over the middle. I just can't understand how that could happen...

Well there is the big elephant over in the corner that everybody is afraid to talk about. I am sure it will be ok to bring it up in a few months or next pre-season, but all of the sports reporters have no guts. Most people take years to get over the death of a child and sometimes never do. Add suicide on top of that and maybe Dungy shouldn't have been back to work. Am I trying to completly discredit the Steelers with that statement? No, I think they played an incredible game. But I also think that Dungy's mind can't be 100% into that game. I have had fights with friends that have lingered into and affected my work. I would guess the death of your first born might do the same.

ISiddiqui · 01-16-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

The Panthers, Seahawks, Broncos, or Steelers are going to be SB Champs? Doesn't seem right.

Hey why not? Except for the Broncs, all of these teams were being predicted as SuperBowl contenders at the beginning of the season.

01-15-2006, 08:11 PM	#1203
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Everyone knows it, it doesn't need to be said. There's honesty and there's attemping to put distance between yourself and what caused the loss. Did Seymour need to come out after the Patriots game and say "Well, let's just say we had some offensive issues." for the sake of honesty? __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 01-15-2006 at 08:12 PM.

01-15-2006, 08:12 PM	#1204
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I <3 Joey Porter. "It's tough enough to play against the Colts themselves," Steelers linebacker Joey Porter said. "When you have to play against the Colts and the refs, it's a much harder game." __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

01-15-2006, 08:13 PM	#1206
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	There are a ton of complaints from the Steelers about the refs. Wonder if anyone gets fined. The refs should have to cover the costs. __________________

01-15-2006, 08:32 PM	#1208
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Colvin said the same thing. Samuel actually took the blame of that interference call. Really only Belichick showed a bit of attitude. __________________

01-15-2006, 09:38 PM	#1210
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	Sideline wannabees always can tell you what someone "really" meant. What is your playoff records? __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

01-15-2006, 10:50 PM	#1214
33sherman Mascot Join Date: Nov 2002	One thing I like about the Colts loss: every so often when I play FOF, a 14-2 or 15-1 team loses that first home game in the playoffs and I think--bull****! That wouldn't happen! But it does.

01-15-2006, 10:59 PM	#1215
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	i took a look at the colts forum. aside from a couple steeler fans spouting off, the colts fans seem to be pretty classy about the game. there was a big thread about troy's int. that was interesting to read. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

01-16-2006, 01:35 AM	#1218
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	If you ask me, Peyton has every right to call out his O-line. Yeah, he made a few mistakes, but I think he was sort of forced into trying to make plays that he may not normally make. The offensive line was letting guys through on almost every single play from what I saw, and that is VERY unlike them. It was like they had no idea what the Steelers were doing. If Peyton didn't have to run for his life most of the game (Which he can't do anyway) Maybe he doesn't make so many mistakes. I mean on some of those plays it was like the offensive line just decided not to block people, especially on the play where Hampton chased him to the sideline before the sack for a near safety. He ran right between TWO offensive linemen with little resistance. Also, Troy Polamalu is just plain ridiculous. I've never seen a guy who was seemingly omnipresent like that, but I have heard of a dude people call "God". Might that have been him? __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

01-16-2006, 02:05 AM	#1219
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I would agree that Peyton should have held his O-Line accountable, but it should have remained behind closed doors and not aired out in public. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

01-16-2006, 08:24 AM	#1221
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	You can cross the Colts off now. Never seen anything like that team and their ability to lay down ever year in the playoffs. It's the one sure thing in football. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

01-16-2006, 09:41 AM	#1222
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I wish Peyton had kept his mouth shut, but he was absolutely correct. The Colts lost that game because they could not handle the Pittsburg pass rush. If you watch the drives where the Steelers blitzed and the ones they didn't its like two completely different offenses playing. I do think its a leap to go from "Peyton blamed the protection" to "Peyton called out the oline." There is much more to the protection that the oline. Personally, I blame the coaching staff and the gameplan. This oline has played well all season so I can't imagine they lost on effort or technique. I just think the Colts somehow came into this game totally unprepared on both sides of the ball. The offensive gameplan had no answer for the Steeler blitz and the defensive gameplan had no answer for passes over the middle. I just can't understand how that could happen...

01-16-2006, 09:45 AM	#1223
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Let's go BRONCS! I dislike Shanahan, but I can get past the weaselly factor if they can prevent crazy jaw from winning a Super Bowl. __________________ My listening habits

01-16-2006, 09:47 AM	#1224
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	The fact he said "I don't want to be a bad teammate" made it pretty clear his intention was to blame the o-line, even before he said it. __________________

01-16-2006, 01:18 PM	#1232
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	The Panthers, Seahawks, Broncos, or Steelers are going to be SB Champs? Doesn't seem right.

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