FOFC Literature Draft - Picks Thread - Page 26

lordscarlet · 02-28-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

not very well from me as I see the cookbook that could have been there instead is the Joy of Cooking.

On another note, having a series that must be read sequentially basically meant it had to be a very long book published in sections. The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew; Jeeves; Nero Wolfe all came to mind as series. However none of them qualified under the usage that they had to be read sequentially. To me it basically was a 2nd sci fi category because of that. For those who think that the Foundation series was a bit early should remember, that when the Hugo awards looked at the best series of books ever, it was Foundation series that won not Lord of the Rings or Dune. I also thing Dune is a great series as well.

Yes. This is the categorization I am most unhappy about. I wish I did not put the qualifier of "read in sequence".

MrDNA · 02-28-2008, 12:51 PM

Well, pretty much all my undrafteds already were nabbed, but for posterity's sake here are the two that weren't:2. Single Short Story: Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor3. Poem: Because I Could Not Stop for Death, Emily DickinsonSurprised no one drafted Dragonlance Chronicles.

lordscarlet · 02-28-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA

Well, pretty much all my undrafteds already were nabbed, but for posterity's sake here are the two that weren't:2. Single Short Story: Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor3. Poem: Because I Could Not Stop for Death, Emily DickinsonSurprised no one drafted Dragonlance Chronicles.

I love the Dragonlance Chronicles but they are pretty far from literature.

MrDNA · 02-28-2008, 01:05 PM

Depends if you're defining literature snootily or not. "Tarzan" is literature only because it's old.

MrDNA · 02-28-2008, 01:06 PM

dola - did I miss how we do the votes? Is it PM to LS?

ntndeacon · 02-28-2008, 01:07 PM

what were your other picks DNA. out of curiosity

ntndeacon · 02-28-2008, 01:08 PM

that or there is a votes thread DNA

lordscarlet · 02-28-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA

dola - did I miss how we do the votes? Is it PM to LS?

Check the voting thread.

MrDNA · 02-28-2008, 01:09 PM

*whistles quietly to himself*

sabotai · 02-28-2008, 02:08 PM

I don't have a best of the rest list, but here are a few things I was thinking about and waiting to see if they would be taken. Faust by Goethe was one of the poems I was talking about earlier. Thought someone would take Nietzsche in the later rounds or The Prince. Common Sense by Thomas Paine would have been a good pick too.

And one last comment, I loved CR's last pick.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-28-2008, 02:48 PM

I have at least 500 posts to read and catch up on, but I'm surprised that no one selected any of the books from The Wheel of Time or the entire series for the draft. It has sold well over 30 million books, it is immensely popular. It has spawned video games, MUDs, etc. While I think the quality falters some in the latter books, I think other selections also suffered from this.

Warhammer · 02-28-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

I don't have a best of the rest list, but here are a few things I was thinking about and waiting to see if they would be taken. Faust by Goethe was one of the poems I was talking about earlier. Thought someone would take Nietzsche in the later rounds or The Prince. Common Sense by Thomas Paine would have been a good pick too.

And one last comment, I loved CR's last pick.

I actually thought about all those works in non-fiction. The one that didn't cross my mind was Faust. That would have been great.

ntndeacon · 02-28-2008, 03:22 PM

I wasn't too surprised but the Elements by Euclid has been teaching humanity geometry for near 2000 years. I woulda grabbed it

MrDNA · 02-28-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

what were your other picks DNA. out of curiosity

Had a few others that I didn't see which I forgot about while at work:

1. Fiction - Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes
2. Single Short Story - Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor
3. Poem - Because I Could Not Stop For Death, Emily Dickinson
4. Fantasy/Science Fiction - Dracula, Bram Stoker
5. Series (A set of books continuing the same story and intended to be read sequentially) - Dragonlance Chronicles, Weiss and Hickman
6. Sport Related - Moneyball, Michael Lewis
7. Children's - Aesop's Fables, Aesop (although I did question is there was intended for children or not)
8. Non-Fiction - Freakonomics, Stephen Dubner and Steven Levitt
9. Biography/Autobiography - Life of Johnson, James Boswell
10. History - Democracy in America, Alexis de Toqueville

st.cronin · 02-28-2008, 03:46 PM

I thought the toughest categories were sports, poem, and short story. As I mentioned above, my preliminary "big board" only had 2 poems - Paradise Lost and Rime of the Ancient Mariner. For short story, I thought there was only one good choice (The Dead), and then about a billion B- picks, including the Hemingways and the O'Connors and the Faulkners. For sports I considered DeLillo's End Zone, but figured not many people here had read it. I didn't really have a second choice for Rabbit, and the only question was whether I wanted it in sports or series. I'm surprised at the lack of love for the Updike pick - it seems like the kind of book that would be very popular on this board.

Somebody asked for my pre-draft top 5, here it is:

1. James Joyce, The Dead
2. John Milton, Paradise Lost
3. JRR Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
4. Shakespeare, Richard II/Henry IV Parts 1 and 2/Henry V (series, obviously)
5. The Gospel of John (biography)

st.cronin · 02-28-2008, 03:49 PM

dola, I really struggled with the series pick, just wasn't sure what I wanted there. There were a couple of other works I ended up not picking simply because I couldn't find a category for them:

Bhagavad Gita
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Letters to Anais Nin (by Henry Miller)

Passacaglia · 02-28-2008, 03:53 PM

Crazy. As surprised as I was that no one drafted Don Quixote while skimming as the draft went on, I'm equally surprised that so many people have it on their undrafted lists.

lordscarlet · 02-28-2008, 03:55 PM

I don't think I have ever read a single "Sports" book.

st.cronin · 02-28-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Crazy. As surprised as I was that no one drafted Don Quixote while skimming as the draft went on, I'm equally surprised that so many people have it on their undrafted lists.

I considered it, but I just hated the second half so much that I didn't want it on my team.

Calis · 02-28-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I don't think I have ever read a single "Sports" book.

I think there are actually some great from a literary standpoint sports books. My top choice in the field didn't even go and that's The Professional by W.C. Heinz which is a fantastic book that happens to also be a sports book.

I'd like to also add Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthyto the list of "rest" in Fiction. It didn't deserve to go in the normal draft, but I think it's an overlooked classic. It's Moby Dick if Moby Dick wasn't boring as hell to read!

MrDNA · 02-28-2008, 04:38 PM

Goddamn, Blood Meridian was the most violent thing I've ever read. They say it's a tale of "redemption through violence." Well, I found the second part, anyway. Great writing, though.

cartman · 02-28-2008, 04:44 PM

I wonder which category Dianetics would have gone into if picked.

Vince · 02-28-2008, 05:02 PM

Most of my "best of the rest" picks went in the last three rounds. Don Quixote never even occured to me, and it would have been a great pick.

Buccaneer · 02-28-2008, 05:33 PM

If I had participated and had a clear head, I would have picked:

Seuss for Children's
probably one of the Grimm's for Short Story
Sandberg's Lincoln for Bio
Tolkien for Series
Mao for Non-Fiction
'Twas the Night Before Christmas for Poem

wade moore · 02-28-2008, 05:42 PM

Only thing I'd say with that list Bucc is it's pretty weighted towards Children's stuff.

Buccaneer · 02-28-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Only thing I'd say with that list Bucc is it's pretty weighted towards Children's stuff.

Didn't realize that but it seems that the books/stories we really remember are the ones that have stayed with us throughout our lives, passing down from generation to generation.

wade moore · 02-28-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Didn't realize that but it seems that the books/stories we really remember are the ones that have stayed with us throughout our lives, passing down from generation to generation.

Yup. I can't criticize the choices themselves, but seeing them together that was my first reaction.

ntndeacon · 02-28-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA

Had a few others that I didn't see which I forgot about while at work:

1. Fiction - Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes
2. Single Short Story - Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor
3. Poem - Because I Could Not Stop For Death, Emily Dickinson
4. Fantasy/Science Fiction - Dracula, Bram Stoker
5. Series (A set of books continuing the same story and intended to be read sequentially) - Dragonlance Chronicles, Weiss and Hickman
6. Sport Related - Moneyball, Michael Lewis
7. Children's - Aesop's Fables, Aesop (although I did question is there was intended for children or not)
8. Non-Fiction - Freakonomics, Stephen Dubner and Steven Levitt
9. Biography/Autobiography - Life of Johnson, James Boswell
10. History - Democracy in America, Alexis de Toqueville

That Bio pick is better than most of the ones actually picked.

Passacaglia · 02-28-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I considered it, but I just hated the second half so much that I didn't want it on my team.

I can understand that.

Chief Rum · 02-28-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA

Well, pretty much all my undrafteds already were nabbed, but for posterity's sake here are the two that weren't:2. Single Short Story: Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor3. Poem: Because I Could Not Stop for Death, Emily DickinsonSurprised no one drafted Dragonlance Chronicles.

Because I Could Not Stop For Death was another on my poetry list. We could have a poetry draft alone with all the good choices out there.

DaddyTorgo · 02-28-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

not very well from me as I see the cookbook that could have been there instead is the Joy of Cooking.

On another note, having a series that must be read sequentially basically meant it had to be a very long book published in sections. The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew; Jeeves; Nero Wolfe all came to mind as series. However none of them qualified under the usage that they had to be read sequentially. To me it basically was a 2nd sci fi category because of that. For those who think that the Foundation series was a bit early should remember, that when the Hugo awards looked at the best series of books ever, it was Foundation series that won not Lord of the Rings or Dune. I also thing Dune is a great series as well.

thanks ntn!

Maple Leafs · 02-28-2008, 10:01 PM

Quick thanks to lordscarlet, this was a very well concieved and well run draft.

MrDNA · 02-28-2008, 10:09 PM

This was awesome. I will be sorry tomorrow when I don't have this to check out when I'm sneaking away from work

lordscarlet · 02-28-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Quick thanks to lordscarlet, this was a very well concieved and well run draft.

Thanks for creating the concept.

02-28-2008, 12:51 PM	#1252
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	Well, pretty much all my undrafteds already were nabbed, but for posterity's sake here are the two that weren't:2. Single Short Story: Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor3. Poem: Because I Could Not Stop for Death, Emily DickinsonSurprised no one drafted Dragonlance Chronicles. __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

02-28-2008, 01:05 PM	#1254
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	Depends if you're defining literature snootily or not. "Tarzan" is literature only because it's old. __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

02-28-2008, 01:06 PM	#1255
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	dola - did I miss how we do the votes? Is it PM to LS? __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

02-28-2008, 01:09 PM	#1259
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	whistles quietly to himself __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

02-28-2008, 02:48 PM	#1261
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I have at least 500 posts to read and catch up on, but I'm surprised that no one selected any of the books from The Wheel of Time or the entire series for the draft. It has sold well over 30 million books, it is immensely popular. It has spawned video games, MUDs, etc. While I think the quality falters some in the latter books, I think other selections also suffered from this. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen. Last edited by Eaglesfan27 : 02-28-2008 at 04:01 PM.

02-28-2008, 01:07 PM	#1256
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	what were your other picks DNA. out of curiosity

02-28-2008, 01:08 PM	#1257
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	that or there is a votes thread DNA

02-28-2008, 02:08 PM	#1260
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I don't have a best of the rest list, but here are a few things I was thinking about and waiting to see if they would be taken. Faust by Goethe was one of the poems I was talking about earlier. Thought someone would take Nietzsche in the later rounds or The Prince. Common Sense by Thomas Paine would have been a good pick too. And one last comment, I loved CR's last pick.

02-28-2008, 03:22 PM	#1263
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I wasn't too surprised but the Elements by Euclid has been teaching humanity geometry for near 2000 years. I woulda grabbed it

02-28-2008, 03:46 PM	#1265
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I thought the toughest categories were sports, poem, and short story. As I mentioned above, my preliminary "big board" only had 2 poems - Paradise Lost and Rime of the Ancient Mariner. For short story, I thought there was only one good choice (The Dead), and then about a billion B- picks, including the Hemingways and the O'Connors and the Faulkners. For sports I considered DeLillo's End Zone, but figured not many people here had read it. I didn't really have a second choice for Rabbit, and the only question was whether I wanted it in sports or series. I'm surprised at the lack of love for the Updike pick - it seems like the kind of book that would be very popular on this board. Somebody asked for my pre-draft top 5, here it is: 1. James Joyce, The Dead 2. John Milton, Paradise Lost 3. JRR Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings 4. Shakespeare, Richard II/Henry IV Parts 1 and 2/Henry V (series, obviously) 5. The Gospel of John (biography) __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-28-2008, 03:49 PM	#1266
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola, I really struggled with the series pick, just wasn't sure what I wanted there. There were a couple of other works I ended up not picking simply because I couldn't find a category for them: Bhagavad Gita Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas Letters to Anais Nin (by Henry Miller) __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-28-2008, 03:53 PM	#1267
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Crazy. As surprised as I was that no one drafted Don Quixote while skimming as the draft went on, I'm equally surprised that so many people have it on their undrafted lists.

02-28-2008, 03:55 PM	#1268
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	I don't think I have ever read a single "Sports" book. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

02-28-2008, 04:38 PM	#1271
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	Goddamn, Blood Meridian was the most violent thing I've ever read. They say it's a tale of "redemption through violence." Well, I found the second part, anyway. Great writing, though. __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

02-28-2008, 04:44 PM	#1272
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I wonder which category Dianetics would have gone into if picked. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

02-28-2008, 05:02 PM	#1273
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Most of my "best of the rest" picks went in the last three rounds. Don Quixote never even occured to me, and it would have been a great pick. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

02-28-2008, 05:33 PM	#1274
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	If I had participated and had a clear head, I would have picked: Seuss for Children's probably one of the Grimm's for Short Story Sandberg's Lincoln for Bio Tolkien for Series Mao for Non-Fiction 'Twas the Night Before Christmas for Poem

02-28-2008, 10:01 PM	#1282
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Quick thanks to lordscarlet, this was a very well concieved and well run draft. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-28-2008, 10:09 PM	#1283
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	This was awesome. I will be sorry tomorrow when I don't have this to check out when I'm sneaking away from work __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

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