Katrina hits Category 5. - Page 3

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 03:25 PM

Landfall is expected to be early tomorrow morning. The current forward speed is estimated at 13 mph.

wbatl1 · 08-28-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottVib

Landfall is expected to be early tomorrow morning.

Thanks.

Ben E Lou · 08-28-2005, 03:37 PM

FWIW, the map above *is* self-updating.

Buccaneer · 08-28-2005, 03:41 PM

What is bugging about the news coverage (esp. CNN) is that they keep talking about New Orleans and its 485,000 people are ordered to evacuate. The New Orleans Metro Area has a population of over 1,300,000 people. Don't they count?

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-28-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottVib

People are idiots. Listening to the locals on the Fox News channel is frightening. At least this idiot has no clue what is about to happen. He doesn't feel that he's vulnerable in New Orleans, expects it to miss like everyone else. He figures the pumps will work and everything will be ok.

If these people don't leave the death toll will be significant (unnecessarily). All you can do is warn and hope.

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Saw it as well and with the number of fools watching Fox news these days....

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 03:48 PM

Even worse, more and more people seem to be gathering at the bars to party. It's aggrevating to see. Direct quote. Shep Smith to people just walking their dogs: Why are you guys still here? Person: None of your fucking business.

Another guy what are you going to do tonight? I'm going out for dinner and I'm going to watch a movie.

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 03:49 PM

5pm Eastern Advisory:

902 MB
165 MPH Winds
NW at 13 MPH
150 Miles South of the Mississippi

Still on track for New Orleans.

HomerJSimpson · 08-28-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottVib

5pm Eastern Advisory:

902 MB
165 MPH Winds
NW at 13 MPH
150 Miles South of the Mississippi

Still on track for New Orleans.

Wind speeds dropped, but the same pressure?

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 03:53 PM

Scary thought: New Orleans evacuation plan is a 72 hour plan.

The mayor went to be Friday night thinking it was a "Florida storm".
Woke up Saturday to a whole new issue....

Mandatory order was issued this morning.

bronconick · 08-28-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

Wind speeds dropped, but the same pressure?

I thought the update with the 175 winds was 906 mb?

Ksyrup · 08-28-2005, 03:55 PM

5pm EST, 165 MPH and 902 MB.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-28-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottVib

Even worse, more and more people seem to be gathering at the bars to party. It's aggrevating to see. Direct quote. Shep Smith to people just walking their dogs: Why are you guys still here? Person: None of your fucking business.

Another guy what are you going to do tonight? I'm going out for dinner and I'm going to watch a movie.

Needless to say there will be alot of uneccessary deaths due to stupidity.

HomerJSimpson · 08-28-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

I thought the update with the 175 winds was 906 mb?

No, what Scottvib posted is what they just said on CNN. 902mb and 165 mph.

GoldenEagle · 08-28-2005, 03:57 PM

So they dropped 10 MPH? Does this mean it will continue to weaken?

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-28-2005, 03:59 PM

The pressure is still the same though, and the waters are mighty warm.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-28-2005, 04:00 PM

Dola: Arent there alot of Offshore Oil Rigs and Refineries in and around the projected path of destruction?

bronconick · 08-28-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

No, what Scottvib posted is what they just said on CNN. 902mb and 165 mph.

Oh, I meant the 2pm update that it replaced- ie, the winds dropped but pressure dropped as well.

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

Wind speeds dropped, but the same pressure?

This isn't unusual, it typically takes a little while for the wind speed to respond to a stronger circulation center. (Additionally the wind speed is a function of the pressure gradient, so if the gradient is not as tight, even if the pressure is lower the winds won't pick up)

Looking at the radar there was a brief warming of the cloud tops (typically would signify a slight weakening of the system) earlier this afternoon, but that trend seems to have reversed itself.

It would actually be very unusual for a hurricane to maintain such strength for a long time, there will be some fluxuations in the wind speed prior to landfall and it is very possible (the earlier forecasts called for it) to have some minor weakening prior to landfall. But it still is expected for the landfall to occur with Katrina still a Category 5 or best case, a very strong Cat. 4 storm. Either way the impact would/will be devastating.

Buccaneer · 08-28-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottVib

Even worse, more and more people seem to be gathering at the bars to party. It's aggrevating to see. Direct quote. Shep Smith to people just walking their dogs: Why are you guys still here? Person: None of your fucking business.

Another guy what are you going to do tonight? I'm going out for dinner and I'm going to watch a movie.

That's the good thing about civil liberties. The govt can adequately warn, prepare and supply aid but they cannot force, unless a law is broken. Personal responsibilities - until the lawyers get involved.

Now who is going to force the weather channel numbnuts, esp. that bitch standing in Gulf Shores, to leave or are they going to keep showing these "reporters" telling us how windy it is?

Pumpy Tudors · 08-28-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

That sounds like a forecaster at the national weather center went off his meds and started having a panic attack. "THEY ARE ALL GOING TO DIE! NOTHING WILL SURVIVE! WE ARE ALL DOOMED!" For God's sake NO is enough inland and this thing will weaken enough right before impact that the city won't experience anything greater than 150MPH winds sustained, maybe not worse than 125. And thats even with a direct hit. Horrible, yes, but not enough to knock down buildings that were built with possible hurricane force winds in mind.

Please remember that the only thing between New Orleans and the Gulf of Mexico is low-lying, eroding swampland. Expecting that land to break up Katrina is like asking a toddler to tackle Jamal Lewis.

For Buccaneer: I'm adjusting to the Northeast just fine so far, but I haven't been here long yet. I was here in February for my wife's job interview, and I got to experience sustained sub-freezing temperatures. It wasn't so bad. Now, I don't really know how the hell to shovel snow, but I'll learn it pretty quickly!

Buccaneer · 08-28-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Dola: Arent there alot of Offshore Oil Rigs and Refineries in and around the projected path of destruction?

Don't be surprised to see a spike to $4/gallon.

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 04:03 PM

BTW the forecast track shifted so that the eye would be forecasted to go right over New Orleans and would have landfall occur a bit earlier (4-5 am).

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

That's the good thing about civil liberties. The govt can adequately warn, prepare and supply aid but they cannot force, unless a law is broken. Personal responsibilities - until the lawyers get involved.

Now who is going to force the weather channel numbnuts, esp. that bitch standing in Gulf Shores, to leave or are they going to keep showing these "reporters" telling us how windy it is?

In New Orleans the media was exempted from the evacuation order so that they could continue to disseminate information to the public.

With respect to the Weather Channel, they are pulling their reporters back a bit. Jim Cantore's group have been moved to Gulf Shore Civic Center in Mississippi, where they will end up putting all their equipment. The staff will all be on the second floor inclosed in concrete.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-28-2005, 04:06 PM

FOX NEWS: It's too late to leave N.O. Bridges closed.

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 04:06 PM

BTW they are closing the bridges to New Orleans now. More or less if you haven't gotten out yet, it's too late.

Good luck to everyone left/who is staying in New Orleans.

HomerJSimpson · 08-28-2005, 04:08 PM

Some, how deep in my heart, I believe that what generally happens in this kind of mass hysteria will prove to be true: it will end up being much less than expected. I know that is very wishfull thinking, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if in the next few hours the whole storm starts falling apart, or that it stops and suddenly turns even further west, or something else happens that weakens the damage significantly.

Ben E Lou · 08-28-2005, 04:08 PM

Should I combine this thread with the "Katrina hits Category 5" thread?

Buccaneer · 08-28-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottVib

BTW they are closing the bridges to New Orleans now. More or less if you haven't gotten out yet, it's too late.

Good luck to everyone left/who is staying in New Orleans.

Why close the bridges now?

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

Some, how deep in my heart, I believe that what generally happens in this kind of mass hysteria will prove to be true: it will end up being much less than expected. I know that is very wishfull thinking, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if in the next few hours the whole storm starts falling apart, or that it stops and suddenly turns even further west, or something else happens that weakens the damage significantly.

I hope you are right, but right now every indication is that this is not the case.

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Why close the bridges now?

Don't know but that's what was reported.

Edit - My guess, and purely my guess, is that they closed them with the first rain band coming in (which just hit New Orleans).

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-28-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Why close the bridges now?

Apparently te winds are getting too gusty. Are there estimates of how many ae trapped in N.O., AND is The Superdome in a higher elevation as compared to the French Quarters?

Buccaneer · 08-28-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

Some, how deep in my heart, I believe that what generally happens in this kind of mass hysteria will prove to be true: it will end up being much less than expected. I know that is very wishfull thinking, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if in the next few hours the whole storm starts falling apart, or that it stops and suddenly turns even further west, or something else happens that weakens the damage significantly.

Didn't that happen last year (or earlier this year) with one of the hurricanes?

HomerJSimpson · 08-28-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottVib

I hope you are right, but right now every indication is that this is not the case.

I know, I'm just hoping/praying past experience will bear out.

HomerJSimpson · 08-28-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Didn't that happen last year (or earlier this year) with one of the hurricanes?

Charlie.

Pumpy Tudors · 08-28-2005, 04:16 PM

Two comments from me:

1. We New Orleanians generally consider our city to have only half a million people. We just don't count the additional areas that are included in the metro area (Metairie, Kenner, Harahan, St. Bernard Parish). I'm new to Greensburg, but there don't really seem to be any major cultural differences between people in Greensburg and people in Jeannette (5 miles away) and the people in Irwin (8 miles away). New Orleans is completely different. Adjacent cities and areas have completely different personalities and practically different cultures. To me, New Orleans has x number of people, Kenner has y number of people, Harahan has z number of people, etc. I don't really know if the media understand that, but when they say that New Orleans only has 485,000 people, it makes sense to me.

2. Also, regarding the "contra-flow" system, the cameras I've seen have shown the interstate between Causeway Blvd. and Clearview Blvd. This is a 4- or 5-mile stretch of interstate with no entrances or exits in between. You really can't get people onto the other lanes right there. You have to do it at the points that actually lead out of the city, and that's what contra-flow is designed to do. The point is pretty much moot now, though, because they have to get the police officers who are monitoring the interstate out of the area. At any minute now, New Orleans will be completely shut down.

Ben E Lou · 08-28-2005, 04:17 PM

What part of Louisiana is Dutch in?

Pumpy Tudors · 08-28-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Should I combine this thread with the "Katrina hits Category 5" thread?

Works for me.

Pumpy Tudors · 08-28-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

What part of Louisiana is Dutch in?

I don't know for sure, but I think he's in northwestern Louisiana. I hope I'm right, because that's expected to be a safe spot.

Doug5984 · 08-28-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

What part of Louisiana is Dutch in?

If I remember correctly I think he is in Shreveport...

Also- we are starting to get some bad weather here in Lafayette already.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-28-2005, 04:22 PM

My GOD! That's alot of people in line to get in the Superdome.

TredWel · 08-28-2005, 04:27 PM

Want to know how serious this is? I haven't heard one reference to "Katrina and the Waves".

Good luck to everybody involved - I'm pulling for you.

Ben E Lou · 08-28-2005, 04:29 PM

(Threads merged.)

Galaril · 08-28-2005, 04:33 PM

Good bless all you FOFC board members, your families and all the people in the path of this beast. Having been an Air Force meteorologist for 6 years and done my undergrad in the field I can say I haven't seen an eye that defined and or a wall cloud that huge.

Doug5984 · 08-28-2005, 04:34 PM

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/vid...props=livenoad

a live news feed from WWLTV out of new orleans, a good source of local news.

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 04:35 PM

BTW for those interested Tropical Depression 13 formed today in the Atlantic. Tropical Depression 14 may not be far behind.

Noop · 08-28-2005, 04:37 PM

Wow this is crazy. The other night my area got a direct hit from Katrina although it was not as strong as what is coming toward N.O. and M.S. direction.

Noop · 08-28-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottVib

BTW for those interested Tropical Depression 13 formed today in the Atlantic. Tropical Depression 14 may not be far behind.

Dutch · 08-28-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug5984

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/vid...props=livenoad

a live news feed from WWLTV out of new orleans, a good source of local news.

Thanks for the link.

ScottVib · 08-28-2005, 04:44 PM

Curfew coming at 6pm in New Orleans, also is the last pickup for the Rescue Centers.

Ben E Lou · 08-28-2005, 04:48 PM

Is this the mayor speaking on the WWL link now?

08-28-2005, 03:25 PM	#101
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	Landfall is expected to be early tomorrow morning. The current forward speed is estimated at 13 mph. Last edited by ScottVib : 08-28-2005 at 03:26 PM.

08-28-2005, 03:37 PM	#103
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	FWIW, the map above is self-updating. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-28-2005, 03:55 PM	#111
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	5pm EST, 165 MPH and 902 MB. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-28-2005, 03:57 PM	#114
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	So they dropped 10 MPH? Does this mean it will continue to weaken? __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

08-28-2005, 03:59 PM	#115
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	The pressure is still the same though, and the waters are mighty warm. __________________ Toujour Pret

08-28-2005, 03:41 PM	#104
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	What is bugging about the news coverage (esp. CNN) is that they keep talking about New Orleans and its 485,000 people are ordered to evacuate. The New Orleans Metro Area has a population of over 1,300,000 people. Don't they count?

08-28-2005, 03:48 PM	#106
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	Even worse, more and more people seem to be gathering at the bars to party. It's aggrevating to see. Direct quote. Shep Smith to people just walking their dogs: Why are you guys still here? Person: None of your fucking business. Another guy what are you going to do tonight? I'm going out for dinner and I'm going to watch a movie.

08-28-2005, 03:49 PM	#107
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	5pm Eastern Advisory: 902 MB 165 MPH Winds NW at 13 MPH 150 Miles South of the Mississippi Still on track for New Orleans.

08-28-2005, 03:53 PM	#109
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	Scary thought: New Orleans evacuation plan is a 72 hour plan. The mayor went to be Friday night thinking it was a "Florida storm". Woke up Saturday to a whole new issue.... Mandatory order was issued this morning.

08-28-2005, 04:00 PM	#116
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Dola: Arent there alot of Offshore Oil Rigs and Refineries in and around the projected path of destruction? __________________ Toujour Pret

08-28-2005, 04:03 PM	#122
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	BTW the forecast track shifted so that the eye would be forecasted to go right over New Orleans and would have landfall occur a bit earlier (4-5 am).

08-28-2005, 04:06 PM	#124
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	FOX NEWS: It's too late to leave N.O. Bridges closed. __________________ Toujour Pret

08-28-2005, 04:06 PM	#125
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	BTW they are closing the bridges to New Orleans now. More or less if you haven't gotten out yet, it's too late. Good luck to everyone left/who is staying in New Orleans.

08-28-2005, 04:08 PM	#126
HomerJSimpson College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Springfield, USA	Some, how deep in my heart, I believe that what generally happens in this kind of mass hysteria will prove to be true: it will end up being much less than expected. I know that is very wishfull thinking, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if in the next few hours the whole storm starts falling apart, or that it stops and suddenly turns even further west, or something else happens that weakens the damage significantly. Last edited by HomerJSimpson : 08-28-2005 at 04:09 PM.

08-28-2005, 04:08 PM	#127
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Should I combine this thread with the "Katrina hits Category 5" thread? __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-28-2005, 04:16 PM	#135
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Two comments from me: 1. We New Orleanians generally consider our city to have only half a million people. We just don't count the additional areas that are included in the metro area (Metairie, Kenner, Harahan, St. Bernard Parish). I'm new to Greensburg, but there don't really seem to be any major cultural differences between people in Greensburg and people in Jeannette (5 miles away) and the people in Irwin (8 miles away). New Orleans is completely different. Adjacent cities and areas have completely different personalities and practically different cultures. To me, New Orleans has x number of people, Kenner has y number of people, Harahan has z number of people, etc. I don't really know if the media understand that, but when they say that New Orleans only has 485,000 people, it makes sense to me. 2. Also, regarding the "contra-flow" system, the cameras I've seen have shown the interstate between Causeway Blvd. and Clearview Blvd. This is a 4- or 5-mile stretch of interstate with no entrances or exits in between. You really can't get people onto the other lanes right there. You have to do it at the points that actually lead out of the city, and that's what contra-flow is designed to do. The point is pretty much moot now, though, because they have to get the police officers who are monitoring the interstate out of the area. At any minute now, New Orleans will be completely shut down. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor. Last edited by Pumpy Tudors : 08-28-2005 at 04:17 PM.

08-28-2005, 04:17 PM	#136
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	What part of Louisiana is Dutch in? __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-28-2005, 04:22 PM	#140
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	My GOD! That's alot of people in line to get in the Superdome. __________________ Toujour Pret

08-28-2005, 04:27 PM	#141
TredWel High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Old Forge, PA	Want to know how serious this is? I haven't heard one reference to "Katrina and the Waves". Good luck to everybody involved - I'm pulling for you. __________________ There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people...religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin. - Linus Van Pelt

08-28-2005, 04:29 PM	#142
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	(Threads merged.) __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-28-2005, 04:33 PM	#143
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Good bless all you FOFC board members, your families and all the people in the path of this beast. Having been an Air Force meteorologist for 6 years and done my undergrad in the field I can say I haven't seen an eye that defined and or a wall cloud that huge.

08-28-2005, 04:34 PM	#144
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/vid...props=livenoad a live news feed from WWLTV out of new orleans, a good source of local news.

08-28-2005, 04:35 PM	#145
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	BTW for those interested Tropical Depression 13 formed today in the Atlantic. Tropical Depression 14 may not be far behind.

08-28-2005, 04:37 PM	#146
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Wow this is crazy. The other night my area got a direct hit from Katrina although it was not as strong as what is coming toward N.O. and M.S. direction. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

08-28-2005, 04:44 PM	#149
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	Curfew coming at 6pm in New Orleans, also is the last pickup for the Rescue Centers.

08-28-2005, 04:48 PM	#150
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Is this the mayor speaking on the WWL link now? __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

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