Lost, Season 2 - Page 6

kingfc22 · 10-06-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

I believe now that there is one station (or hatch) on the island for each of the main projects (the video says 3 of 6 so lets assume there are 6 projects).

That is what I mentioned in my post #181. Also, why didn't they show where the exit to the hatch leads? I'm just curious because if there is a "door" why didn't they find it before?

Joe Canadian · 10-06-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

better screenshot of what Jack was looking at

Now... who's the girl?

Swaggs · 10-06-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

Now... who's the girl?

Is it Jack's wife?

cthomer5000 · 10-06-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Is it Jack's wife?

Looks like it to me.

kingfc22 · 10-06-2005, 09:38 PM

Jack's wife died right? If not, did she leave him for Desmond.

cthomer5000 · 10-06-2005, 09:39 PM

Eh.. i think i'm gonna have to say "inconclusive."

NoMyths · 10-06-2005, 10:11 PM

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I haven't finished reading this thread yet, but I was under the impression that Sawyer's con-man was the guy who sent him to Australia to kill the vender.

That was my presumption too, until the bit in the car with Locke's dad...seems like it could line up pretty well.

Raven · 10-06-2005, 10:19 PM

When Desmond decided he was going to run out of the hatch, he made a break to grab a bunch of the vials. When he did, they showed a quick shot of a book called The Third Policeman.

checking Amazon.com, here is their description of the book.

Fiction. The last of O'Brien's novels to be published and now reissued by Dalkey Archive, THE THIRD POLICEMAN is Flann O'Brien's brilliant comic novel about the nature of time, death, and existence. Told by a narrator who has committed a botche d robbery and brutal murder, the novel follows him and his adventures in a two-dimensional police station where he is intruduced to "Atomic Theory" and its relation to bicycles, the existence of eternity (which turns out to be just down the road), and the view that the earth is not round but "sausage-shaped."

Anthony · 10-06-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Nice, but why would they want Walt?

parapsychology patient perhaps? we know he has certain "abilities".

timmynausea · 10-07-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

parapsychology patient perhaps? we know he has certain "abilities".

That's what I've assumed as well.

Raiders Army · 10-07-2005, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

parapsychology patient perhaps? we know he has certain "abilities".

Okay...then if this is true (and it seems very likely it is), then how would the French woman know the Others would want him? Could her son have had the same powers and that's why he was taken? If so, then how would the Others know that since (I believe) he was taken when he was a baby.

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 06:47 AM

The orientation film shown in the last episode can be viewed here.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/videostream.swf

moriarty · 10-07-2005, 07:46 AM

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Another interesting speculation post....not spoilers...just speculation based upon what we already know from the most recent episode.

We know that the 'hatch' is station #3 and has something to do with electromagnetism.. We also, through the video hear the narrator say that they are conducting studies in...

"meteorology, psychology, para-psychology, zoology, electro-magnetism, and utopian social ."

then you can go to the Hanso Foundation website and see that they are also involved in..

Life-Extension Project, Electromagnetic Research Initiative,
Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence,The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative, The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative, The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute, The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility

I believe now that there is one station (or hatch) on the island for each of the main projects (the video says 3 of 6 so lets assume there are 6 projects). I think that the Zoology experimenters created the polar bears and the shark. I think that the whispering voices we hear in the woods are people involved in the Remote Viewing project (parapsychology), and I think that someone forgot to enter the numbers in the Swan station (electromagnetism) about 44 days ago causing the plane to crash.

I think that we will see every single person in that video here on the island (or at least the DeGrotes and the lead scientist). I wouldnt be surprised if THEY were in fact the Others.

The creators of this show have just kind of written themselves a blank check as far as the number of directions they can take the show (and the island).

OK, so combining speculations: There are 6 projects on the island all funded (or one time funded) by presumably Locke's dad, who is also the guy that Sawyer has been searching for. (the Dharma swan symbol is surrounded by an octagon which suggests 8, but the film clue clearly says 6). Let's assume it is Locke's dad and he is somewhere on the island.

The Electromagnetic Research Initiative is likely what brought Frenchy's boat to the island (assuming they didn't come there intentionally) and likely brought the plane down. Now did Desmond sleep through the entering the code which brought the plane down or did he not enter it on purpose (or under direction of say Locke's dad?).

We know some mishap occured on the island w/ all the experiments. We also know in season 1, Locke "saw" the secret of the island when he was attacked by the monster. Perhaps what he saw or heard was his father, who gave him some directions. This is why Locke is always saying to no one apparent "what am I supposed to do", and "this isn't the way it's supposed to happen". Perhaps even his father somehow knew he was on the plane and made Desmond bring the plane down so that he could have his son save the island. ???

The polar bears, etc.. are explained by the other experiments. The Others (non-plane survivors) are scientists who survived the mishap whatever it was. One group took the boy for his telekinetic (sp?) powers either to continue their experiments, to save them, or perhaps to push the "mental" button over and over just like Desmond had to do for the electromagnetic one. We also know/think that there are some crazy others, perhaps a virus at one point affected some of the scientists, explaining the quarrantine warning.

I want to say someone once said there was plans for a 6 or 8 season story arc. Perhaps what we'll get is the revelation of one project/hatch per season and the implications carried out throughout the season.

DanGarion · 10-07-2005, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I agree that Jin will get "infected" and go to the dark side. I also think that the ones who captured Sawyer, Mike and Jin aren't the others.

That means there were these groups on the island:

1. Jack's group from the front of the plane

2. Girlfight's group from the back of the plane

3. Rousseau's others (who were ones who took Walt...remember they wanted the child)

4. Rousseau

5. The hatch people

6. Possibly another group that could've been with the pilot

Then there is always the possibility that the big black guy is from the Nigerian drug plane...

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dangarion

Then there is always the possibility that the big black guy is from the Nigerian drug plane...

Or Roses husband.

marshall881 · 10-07-2005, 08:18 AM

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Or Roses husband.

I was thinking that also. Wasn't he in the restroom in the back of the plane when it broke apart?

DanGarion · 10-07-2005, 08:22 AM

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ah okay, now I remember. Did he look at the picture because maybe its somewhere in LA he recognized, and he was thinking he knew desmond from somewhere?

Well that doesn't look like LA.

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 08:23 AM

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I was thinking that also. Wasn't he in the restroom in the back of the plane when it broke apart?

Yup, which is exactly why I think it is him. I mean I am not discounting that he could be apart of the Nigerian Drug plane, and he befriended the tail survivors. But that drug plane, I am not sure how long it had been there. It seemed like it had been there a long time as the body of the priest Locke and Boone found found in the forest seemed pretty badly decomposed.

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dangarion

Well that doesn't look like LA.

You're right it was Australia. Or maybe I meant "Lower Australia", yeah, thats the ticket!

DanGarion · 10-07-2005, 08:25 AM

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Looks like it to me.

It doesn't look like Julie Bowen to me.

rkmsuf · 10-07-2005, 08:29 AM

Please sex Julie Bowen up a bit.

Thank you.

Anthony · 10-07-2005, 08:36 AM

ok, just had a silly notion, humor me for a bit here cuz it *might* have legs:

just like how i speculated that Walt was needed perhaps for parapsychology purposes/testing, do you think the other main Lost characters have qualities that would fit them in the specific fields of science that were listed in the Dharma orientation film, which is why they're all there with a reason? we know, for arguement sake, that Walk already fits into the parapsychology category - do the other main cast members exemplify traits that match up with those fields? or is this looking way too much into something that might not be there.

judicial clerk · 10-07-2005, 08:40 AM

I think the black guy from the other group spoke with an accent. Just judging by the way he swung that stick I would say he is Dominican.

I think the video said that the industrialist was Dutch or Belgian or something. Which would seem to make Locke's father a less likely candidate, but if they end up saying that Hanso went to evil medical school...

The "Swan" seems to be only asssociated with expirement number 3. So I am now wondering if the shark's emblem actaully had a swan on it or another symbol inside. You wouldn't think that zooology and electromagnetics would be part of the same station (the swan station.)

I think that the 'Black Rock" was pre-1970's, so I think we will find that the island has secrects besides what is going on with the Dharma Initiative.

with that arsenal of guns and the island security system at their disposal, the crash survivors should be able to show the "Others" and the other crash survivors who is in chrage on the island.

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by judicial clerk

I think the black guy from the other group spoke with an accent. Just judging by the way he swung that stick I would say he is Dominican.

I think the video said that the industrialist was Dutch or Belgian or something. Which would seem to make Locke's father a less likely candidate, but if they end up saying that Hanso went to evil medical school...

The "Swan" seems to be only asssociated with expirement number 3. So I am now wondering if the shark's emblem actaully had a swan on it or another symbol inside. You wouldn't think that zooology and electromagnetics would be part of the same station (the swan station.)

I think that the 'Black Rock" was pre-1970's, so I think we will find that the island has secrects besides what is going on with the Dharma Initiative.

with that arsenal of guns and the island security system at their disposal, the crash survivors should be able to show the "Others" and the other crash survivors who is in chrage on the island.

I was not aware Dominicans have a "Swing Stick" distinction quality about them. Plus why can't Roses husband be from another country?

I also do not believe Hanso is lockes father. he actually looks like cigarette smoking guy from the X-files.

Yes, the black rock looked like a pirate ship.

rkmsuf · 10-07-2005, 08:50 AM

Heh, he swung his stick like a Dominician.

Samdari · 10-07-2005, 08:55 AM

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I was not aware Dominicans have a "Swing Stick" distinction quality about them.

They are rumored to be baseball fanatics.

Honolulu_Blue · 10-07-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by judicial clerk

The "Swan" seems to be only asssociated with expirement number 3. So I am now wondering if the shark's emblem actaully had a swan on it or another symbol inside. You wouldn't think that zooology and electromagnetics would be part of the same station (the swan station.)

I read elsewhere that someone freeze-framed the shark picture and there was no swan on the emblem.

moriarty · 10-07-2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by judicial clerk

The "Swan" seems to be only asssociated with expirement number 3. So I am now wondering if the shark's emblem actaully had a swan on it or another symbol inside. You wouldn't think that zooology and electromagnetics would be part of the same station (the swan station.)

I think that the 'Black Rock" was pre-1970's, so I think we will find that the island has secrects besides what is going on with the Dharma Initiative.

Someone posted the shark freezeframe in post #99 here. Doesn't look like a swan in the middle (although it's hard to tell) but definitely the same octagon image surrounding it.

I want to say on the film that they mentioned that the island had something peculiar which is why they setup the research facility there (so there is something innate about the island separate from the research which might explain the Black Rock ... then again it could be a random shipwreck in the middle of an island??).

DanGarion · 10-07-2005, 09:02 AM

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I also do not believe Hanso is lockes father. he actually looks like cigarette smoking guy from the X-files.

That's exactly what I thought!

DanGarion · 10-07-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I read elsewhere that someone freeze-framed the shark picture and there was no swan on the emblem.

Yes I've seen that freeze frame and I don't remember there being a swan on it.

Looks like something else.

mauchow · 10-07-2005, 09:09 AM

Could this just be a 'reason' as to why bad things happen over the Bermuda Triangle? Could this be an island within it? Is it possible geographically?

moriarty · 10-07-2005, 09:11 AM

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Could this just be a 'reason' as to why bad things happen over the Bermuda Triangle? Could this be an island within it? Is it possible geographically?

Not if they were flying from Australia to LA. Either that or they were WAY off target (like over the wrong ocean).

SegRat · 10-07-2005, 11:19 AM

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Could this just be a 'reason' as to why bad things happen over the Bermuda Triangle? Could this be an island within it? Is it possible geographically?

I believe the writers have already stated this is not the case.

kingfc22 · 10-07-2005, 01:21 PM

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I also do not believe Hanso is lockes father

I'm in this boat as well. I don't think Locke's father is Hanso or the "con-man".

I think Pedro Cerrano is Rose's husband.

Watching the episode again last night it is hard to miss the amount of weapons that they now have and should easily be able to wipe out the captors of Sawyer, Michael and Jin.

Joe Canadian · 10-07-2005, 01:58 PM

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We also know/think that there are some crazy others, perhaps a virus at one point affected some of the scientists, explaining the quarrantine warning.

I actually think the people who took Walt are the "infected" others... I think they'd have a pretty hard time explaining how they knew of Walt's powers beforehand.

SegRat · 10-07-2005, 02:13 PM

I wonder if Jack’s dad is alive. Did the island bring him back the same way Lock is no longer paralyzed?

Was the reason the plane crashed because of Jack’s father? Did the others, or scientists need him for something.

Did Jack’s father possibly have something to do with this Dharma project?

Did Jack’s father or Dharma somehow have something to do with Jack’s future wife’s recovery?

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SegRat

I wonder if Jack’s dad is alive. Did the island bring him back the same way Lock is no longer paralyzed?

Was the reason the plane crashed because of Jack’s father? Did the others, or scientists need him for something.

Did Jack’s father possibly have something to do with this Dharma project?

Did Jack’s father or Dharma somehow have something to do with Jack’s future wife’s recovery?

1. I doubt his father is alive.

2. They wouldn't need a dead doctor.

3. Yes, there probably is a connection

4. I doubt it they had anything to do with the recovery.

Swaggs · 10-07-2005, 03:47 PM

Jack's father's body is missing, though. Remember the episode last season, where they found his coffin, but not body.

Joe Canadian · 10-07-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SegRat

I wonder if Jack’s dad is alive. Did the island bring him back the same way Lock is no longer paralyzed?

Was the reason the plane crashed because of Jack’s father? Did the others, or scientists need him for something.

Did Jack’s father possibly have something to do with this Dharma project?

Did Jack’s father or Dharma somehow have something to do with Jack’s future wife’s recovery?

The secret hatches would explain Jack's father disappearing after Jacked chased him into the jungle in the first season.

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 03:51 PM

SWEET, I MADE THE THREAD TITLE.

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 03:56 PM

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The secret hatches would explain Jack's father disappearing after Jacked chased him into the jungle in the first season.

Wouldn't him seeing his father just be a figment of his imagination?

Schmidty · 10-07-2005, 04:03 PM

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Jack's father's body is missing, though. Remember the episode last season, where they found his coffin, but not body.

I REALLY hope he's a zombie and eats Jack's brains.

MORE ZOMBIES, LESS JACK!!!!!!!!

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 04:05 PM

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I REALLY hope he's a zombie and eats Jack's brains.

MORE ZOMBIES, LESS JACK!!!!!!!!

Schmidty · 10-07-2005, 04:06 PM

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Now THAT'S wha this show needs!!! Thanks bro.

Joe Canadian · 10-07-2005, 04:12 PM

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Wouldn't him seeing his father just be a figment of his imagination?

Well yes it could, and that's likely what it was... but if his dad is alive, and on the island... it raises the possibility, however unlikely, that it was not his imagination.

Anthony · 10-07-2005, 04:36 PM

i can't stand Jack. at first he was cool, he was the leader reluctantly given his authority. now he's bossing people around, carrying a gun and pointing it at someone every episode. he's let his leadership role go to his head. if i were on that island i would take it upon myself to eliminate him.

gottimd · 10-07-2005, 04:53 PM

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Well yes it could, and that's likely what it was... but if his dad is alive, and on the island... it raises the possibility, however unlikely, that it was not his imagination.

I just think his father is shown to see how the character of Jack reacts and how he became who he is. I don't think his father plays any more of a role than just maybe a connector between other stories, and that he is not involved with the island or alive on it either.

Raiders Army · 10-07-2005, 04:57 PM

Vote Jack

Raiders Army · 10-07-2005, 04:58 PM

Dola,

Also I think the stories between the main characters are too intertwined to be chance. I think that at the end of the series, we'll find that the main characters are actually one person.

To be realistic, it would be too difficult to ensure that all of these interrelated characters are all on the same plane that crashes.

Joe Canadian · 10-07-2005, 05:04 PM

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Dola,

Also I think the stories between the main characters are too intertwined to be chance. I think that at the end of the series, we'll find that the main characters are actually one person.

To be realistic, it would be too difficult to ensure that all of these interrelated characters are all on the same plane that crashes.

Identity, anyone?

10-06-2005, 09:38 PM	#255
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Jack's wife died right? If not, did she leave him for Desmond. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-07-2005, 06:47 AM	#262
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	The orientation film shown in the last episode can be viewed here. http://www.thehansofoundation.org/videostream.swf __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08 Last edited by gottimd : 10-07-2005 at 06:47 AM.

10-07-2005, 08:29 AM	#271
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Please sex Julie Bowen up a bit. Thank you. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

10-07-2005, 08:36 AM	#272
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	ok, just had a silly notion, humor me for a bit here cuz it might have legs: just like how i speculated that Walt was needed perhaps for parapsychology purposes/testing, do you think the other main Lost characters have qualities that would fit them in the specific fields of science that were listed in the Dharma orientation film, which is why they're all there with a reason? we know, for arguement sake, that Walk already fits into the parapsychology category - do the other main cast members exemplify traits that match up with those fields? or is this looking way too much into something that might not be there. Last edited by Anthony : 10-07-2005 at 08:36 AM.

10-07-2005, 08:40 AM	#273
judicial clerk College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Portland, OR	I think the black guy from the other group spoke with an accent. Just judging by the way he swung that stick I would say he is Dominican. I think the video said that the industrialist was Dutch or Belgian or something. Which would seem to make Locke's father a less likely candidate, but if they end up saying that Hanso went to evil medical school... The "Swan" seems to be only asssociated with expirement number 3. So I am now wondering if the shark's emblem actaully had a swan on it or another symbol inside. You wouldn't think that zooology and electromagnetics would be part of the same station (the swan station.) I think that the 'Black Rock" was pre-1970's, so I think we will find that the island has secrects besides what is going on with the Dharma Initiative. with that arsenal of guns and the island security system at their disposal, the crash survivors should be able to show the "Others" and the other crash survivors who is in chrage on the island. Last edited by judicial clerk : 10-07-2005 at 08:43 AM.

10-06-2005, 10:19 PM	#258
Raven College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Baltimore, MD	When Desmond decided he was going to run out of the hatch, he made a break to grab a bunch of the vials. When he did, they showed a quick shot of a book called The Third Policeman. checking Amazon.com, here is their description of the book. Fiction. The last of O'Brien's novels to be published and now reissued by Dalkey Archive, THE THIRD POLICEMAN is Flann O'Brien's brilliant comic novel about the nature of time, death, and existence. Told by a narrator who has committed a botche d robbery and brutal murder, the novel follows him and his adventures in a two-dimensional police station where he is intruduced to "Atomic Theory" and its relation to bicycles, the existence of eternity (which turns out to be just down the road), and the view that the earth is not round but "sausage-shaped."

10-07-2005, 08:50 AM	#275
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Heh, he swung his stick like a Dominician. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

10-07-2005, 09:09 AM	#281
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Could this just be a 'reason' as to why bad things happen over the Bermuda Triangle? Could this be an island within it? Is it possible geographically?

10-07-2005, 02:13 PM	#286
SegRat High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Oshkosh, WI	I wonder if Jack’s dad is alive. Did the island bring him back the same way Lock is no longer paralyzed? Was the reason the plane crashed because of Jack’s father? Did the others, or scientists need him for something. Did Jack’s father possibly have something to do with this Dharma project? Did Jack’s father or Dharma somehow have something to do with Jack’s future wife’s recovery? __________________ USFL: Charlotte Fightn' Squirrels

10-07-2005, 03:47 PM	#288
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Jack's father's body is missing, though. Remember the episode last season, where they found his coffin, but not body. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-07-2005, 03:51 PM	#290
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	SWEET, I MADE THE THREAD TITLE. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

10-07-2005, 04:36 PM	#296
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i can't stand Jack. at first he was cool, he was the leader reluctantly given his authority. now he's bossing people around, carrying a gun and pointing it at someone every episode. he's let his leadership role go to his head. if i were on that island i would take it upon myself to eliminate him.

10-07-2005, 04:57 PM	#298
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Vote Jack

10-07-2005, 04:58 PM	#299
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Dola, Also I think the stories between the main characters are too intertwined to be chance. I think that at the end of the series, we'll find that the main characters are actually one person. To be realistic, it would be too difficult to ensure that all of these interrelated characters are all on the same plane that crashes.

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