OT: The FOFC Music Draft - Page 10

cthomer5000 · 02-22-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Hmm ...

Yeah, i'd easily put it in the other category.. that is if i had a gun to my head and HAD to pick that song at this point.

st.cronin · 02-22-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

If anyone ever wants to know how St.Cronin paads his post count he is 5th in posts in this thread and he isn't even drafting.

Wait, do posts in this thread count?

ntndeacon · 02-22-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wait, do posts in this thread count?

I don't think they do cronin. it is just your imagination.

st.cronin · 02-22-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I don't think they do cronin. it is just your imagination.

*phew*

ISiddiqui · 02-22-2007, 11:33 PM

"Imagine there's no post count..."

ntndeacon · 02-22-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

"Imagine there's no post count..."

you've entered .... The Cronin Zone.

(hums the theme to Twilight Zone in my head)

st.cronin · 02-22-2007, 11:36 PM

Actually, ntn, I have my own theme music.

ntndeacon · 02-22-2007, 11:37 PM

Maybe cronin, but that music is not in my head. (I think I am tankful for this.

)

Lathum · 02-22-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Actually, ntn, I have my own theme music.

good family guy episode

lordscarlet · 02-22-2007, 11:37 PM

OK. I should go to bed.

Maple Leafs: My list I sent to you is no longer valid. I've picked two of them, and I am holding off on the third for now. I doubt it will get back to me before I wake up, or probably before I get to work even (9:00 EST or so). But wade should be around and can handle things if necessary.

KevinNU7 · 02-23-2007, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vtbub

I must confess that I despise this particular song. I dislike the artist and the crackhead she became. I hated the movie, and hate Kevin Costner too, but I'm taking the biggest cover hit of all-time. (Or it was anyway.)

Cover- I Will Always Love You- Twitney Houston 4.4

ARE YOU KIDDING ME! YOU NEEDED TO PICK Saving all my Love for the Love category.

vtbub · 02-23-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinNU7

ARE YOU KIDDING ME! YOU NEEDED TO PICK Saving all my Love for the Love category.

Thanks for getting that stuck in my head.

I stand by my pick.

Subby · 02-23-2007, 07:51 AM

Everytime lordscarlet picks, I mark someone off my draft board :angry:

Maple Leafs · 02-23-2007, 07:53 AM

OK folks, I'm back. Sorry to disappear last night with no warning, the little one decided to get cranky and "I have to go post on a message board" wouldn't have gone over too well.

Here's my pick:

Classic -
Epic -
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

lordscarlet · 02-23-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Everytime lordscarlet picks, I mark someone off my draft board :angry:

Glad I could be of assistance! It just makes it easier for you to pick, right? Narrows down your choices.

Maple Leafs · 02-23-2007, 07:57 AM

Quick thoughts on some picks:

Imagine -- Risky move, some voters will punish, others won't care. We'll see.

I Will Always Love You -- There were two seperate times in the draft when someone had sent this in as a pick, but I held off just in case they changed their mind. It's a great pick, especially with the female requirement, but it's also the sort of thing that a few voters will squawk about. "You picked that song, I can never vote for you!" Sort of like picking Titanic in a movie draft. And by the way, as we go there will be a lot more of those types of picks out there.

lordscarlett -- You like rap, don't you? If you pick Ice T's "99 Problems" as a love song, I'm going to start to worry.

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 07:58 AM

I think that Prince one is pretty solid. I think there's about 3-4 true solids in that category and then a pretty steep drop-off.

side note - anyone else notice that lordscarlet has triggered multiple runs on categories?

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

lordscarlett -- You like rap, don't you? If you pick Ice T's "99 Problems" as a love song, I'm going to start to worry.

It's seriously hilarious if you knew how much his list right now does not match his musical tastes.

Maple Leafs · 02-23-2007, 07:59 AM

I'm heading into work, will post Butter's pick around 9:30 if he hasn't been by.

Butter · 02-23-2007, 07:59 AM

My turn now?

lordscarlet · 02-23-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

OK folks, I'm back. Sorry to disappear last night with no warning, the little one decided to get cranky and "I have to go post on a message board" wouldn't have gone over too well.

Here's my pick:

Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince

Solid pick.

vtbub · 02-23-2007, 08:03 AM

Been some great picks.

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

lordscarlett -- You like rap, don't you? If you pick Ice T's "99 Problems" as a love song, I'm going to start to worry.

Also, I'm not sure that I'd label "Fight for your Right" as a rap song... I think I'd categorize it as a rock song.

Butter · 02-23-2007, 08:05 AM

Classic -
Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4
Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7

Subby · 02-23-2007, 08:07 AM

1999 and Fight for Your Right to Party the natural 1-2 in that category...still darkhorses in the mix, however.

Having Prince off the board is tough now because I think Purple Rain would have been a solid choice for Love Song.

lordscarlet · 02-23-2007, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

lordscarlet -- You like rap, don't you? If you pick Ice T's "99 Problems" as a love song, I'm going to start to worry.

If you count Beastie Boys as rap I'm looking at only 30% rap if I don't pick anymore.

Second, here's my proof that I am not a rap guy: hxxp://www.last.fm/user/lordscarlet/

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

My turn now?

Yep!

Subby · 02-23-2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Also, I'm not sure that I'd label "Fight for your Right" as a rap song... I think I'd categorize it as a rock song.

Or crossover...

lordscarlet · 02-23-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Or crossover...

That's what makes it an even better pick. I've blocked anyone from taking the Beastie Boys as crossover.

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Or crossover...

Yeah, I could buy that too...

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 08:20 AM

Ok.. maybe i'm ignorant about music, but...

Superstition is a great song... I don't see how in the world it qualifies as crossover though... it's an R&B/Pop song... Stevie is primarily a R&B/Pop Artist...

Right?

I mean, he's on Motown Records - but in the end he's an R&B/Pop artist...

st.cronin · 02-23-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Maple Leafs · 02-23-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

This is the line of thought I was in at first for "crossover" until I got the clarification. In my mind this crosses genres as far as charts go, but it's still the same style he always did -- it just began to appeal to a broader audience.

True, but it's not like Cash was a run-of-the-mill country artist who happened to be accepted by the pop fans. He wasn't a Billy Ray Cyrus or even Garth Brooks. He had a very unique style that was his own, and that style was both accepted by both groups of fans. At the time, people thought you couldn't appeal to both but he came up with something new that managed to do it.

That's what makes it crossover-worthy, I'd argue.

Maple Leafs · 02-23-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Also, I'm not sure that I'd label "Fight for your Right" as a rap song... I think I'd categorize it as a rock song.

It definitely has rock elements, so crossover would work too potentially. It's funny, if that song came out now it would definitely be rock. But back then, shouting one rhyming line at a time really was considered rap. It was still a new genre, at least to the mainstream.

Is it possible for a song to switch genres over time? Not sure, but this one seems to.

Maple Leafs · 02-23-2007, 08:37 AM

NoMyths is on the clock. Lathum is next, and I have his picks.

So Subby, start toking now, you'll be up soon.

st.cronin · 02-23-2007, 08:38 AM

Fight for your Right was definitely considered rap at the time.

edit - at least, by white kids.

NoMyths · 02-23-2007, 08:43 AM

Pick up soon.

Subby · 02-23-2007, 08:43 AM

I have a feeling Lathum has one of my picks... :\

Warhammer · 02-23-2007, 08:45 AM

So far I have Maple Leafs, Lord Scarlet, and Butter as the clear leaders. Superstition was certainly a great pick for crossover, I think people are really going to have problems with that category as time goes on. I think the key categories are going to be:

Anti-Establishment
Party
Crossover
Trendsetter
One-hit wonders

I think those that chose Arena or Classics early are going to kick themselves, because there are enough of those songs out there, that they are not good values early. The drop off in the categories above are huge.

With regards to one-hit wonders, its not so much that there are not a lot of them, but how many have held up over time, and which ones will people remember fondly? For example, while Macarena was the biggest hit ever, it is dated now, and how will people vote?

Warhammer · 02-23-2007, 08:45 AM

Fight for Your Right also takes Sabotage out of the Crossover category.

NoMyths · 02-23-2007, 08:47 AM

Stepping out of the Sixties wheelhouse now. I'm happy to be taking this band off the board, and the main reason I'm not taking any of their other hits is because they are either better suited to categories for which there are better choices and because it sits atop my current Arena list, with little else of quality besides it.

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors
Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

With regards to one-hit wonders, its not so much that there are not a lot of them, but how many have held up over time, and which ones will people remember fondly? For example, while Macarena was the biggest hit ever, it is dated now, and how will people vote?

I wondered about this with Macarena.

I think it could be pretty easily argued that it is the "biggest" one-hit wonder of all time.

But I think there's a lot of argument as to the one-hit wonder that has held the test of time the longest.

I think this will come down to voter opinion because people could feel either element is more important. I think the only way to dispell Macarena as the top choice here, is to feel stronly that standing up over time is important.

KevinNU7 · 02-23-2007, 08:48 AM

I'm kind of disappointed that Purple Rain wasn't used.

st.cronin · 02-23-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

So far I have Maple Leafs, Lord Scarlet, and Butter as the clear leaders. Superstition was certainly a great pick for crossover, I think people are really going to have problems with that category as time goes on. I think the key categories are going to be:

Anti-Establishment
Party
Crossover
Trendsetter
One-hit wonders

I think those that chose Arena or Classics early are going to kick themselves, because there are enough of those songs out there, that they are not good values early. The drop off in the categories above are huge.

With regards to one-hit wonders, its not so much that there are not a lot of them, but how many have held up over time, and which ones will people remember fondly? For example, while Macarena was the biggest hit ever, it is dated now, and how will people vote?

Good analysis. I thought Macarena was an interesting pick, but probably not good enough.

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

Fight for Your Right also takes Sabotage out of the Crossover category.

And Anti-Establishment?

Warhammer · 02-23-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Ok.. maybe i'm ignorant about music, but...

Superstition is a great song... I don't see how in the world it qualifies as crossover though... it's an R&B/Pop song... Stevie is primarily a R&B/Pop Artist...

Right?

I mean, he's on Motown Records - but in the end he's an R&B/Pop artist...

Yeah, but it was a mainstream hit as well.

I really look at the Crossover category as a song that was so good in its genre, that people that didn't listen to that did, and enjoyed it.

st.cronin · 02-23-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths

Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

Yeah, but it was a mainstream hit as well.

I really look at the Crossover category as a song that was so good in its genre, that people that didn't listen to that did, and enjoyed it.

Isn't Pop/R&B Mainstream? Maybe i'm living in an alternate universe, but what is more mainstream than pop?

st.cronin · 02-23-2007, 08:51 AM

I really thought somebody would tap U2 for a love song in the first couple of rounds. With or without you, maybe.

KevinNU7 · 02-23-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I wondered about this with Macarena.

I think it could be pretty easily argued that it is the "biggest" one-hit wonder of all time.

But I think there's a lot of argument as to the one-hit wonder that has held the test of time the longest.

I think this will come down to voter opinion because people could feel either element is more important. I think the only way to dispell Macarena as the top choice here, is to feel stronly that standing up over time is important.

This is solid analysis. I know of atleast one song out there that was a big as Macarena, the artist never had another hit though he did try often and the song is still awesome in it's lameness. So that song probably meets both criteria

wade moore · 02-23-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

Yeah, but it was a mainstream hit as well.

I really look at the Crossover category as a song that was so good in its genre, that people that didn't listen to that did, and enjoyed it.

Plus, I'm worried people are using "their" definition too much...

The definition laid out in the rules -

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The Crossover Hit. This is a song that mixes and matches musical genres.

I think that several of the picks have come far from fitting that definition.

02-22-2007, 11:33 PM	#455
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02-22-2007, 11:36 PM	#457
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02-22-2007, 11:37 PM	#460
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	OK. I should go to bed. Maple Leafs: My list I sent to you is no longer valid. I've picked two of them, and I am holding off on the third for now. I doubt it will get back to me before I wake up, or probably before I get to work even (9:00 EST or so). But wade should be around and can handle things if necessary. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

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02-23-2007, 07:53 AM	#464
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	OK folks, I'm back. Sorry to disappear last night with no warning, the little one decided to get cranky and "I have to go post on a message board" wouldn't have gone over too well. Here's my pick: Classic - Epic - Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley Love Song - One-Hit Wonder - Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash Cover - Anti-Establishment - __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis Last edited by Maple Leafs : 02-23-2007 at 07:54 AM.

02-22-2007, 11:37 PM	#458
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Maybe cronin, but that music is not in my head. (I think I am tankful for this. )

02-23-2007, 07:57 AM	#466
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Quick thoughts on some picks: Imagine -- Risky move, some voters will punish, others won't care. We'll see. I Will Always Love You -- There were two seperate times in the draft when someone had sent this in as a pick, but I held off just in case they changed their mind. It's a great pick, especially with the female requirement, but it's also the sort of thing that a few voters will squawk about. "You picked that song, I can never vote for you!" Sort of like picking Titanic in a movie draft. And by the way, as we go there will be a lot more of those types of picks out there. lordscarlett -- You like rap, don't you? If you pick Ice T's "99 Problems" as a love song, I'm going to start to worry. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-23-2007, 07:59 AM	#469
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I'm heading into work, will post Butter's pick around 9:30 if he hasn't been by. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-23-2007, 07:59 AM	#470
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	My turn now? __________________ My listening habits

02-23-2007, 08:03 AM	#472
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Been some great picks. __________________

02-23-2007, 08:05 AM	#474
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Classic - Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4 Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4 Trendsetter - Love Song - One-Hit Wonder - Party - Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7 Cover - Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7 __________________ My listening habits

02-23-2007, 08:07 AM	#475
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	1999 and Fight for Your Right to Party the natural 1-2 in that category...still darkhorses in the mix, however. Having Prince off the board is tough now because I think Purple Rain would have been a solid choice for Love Song. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com Last edited by Subby : 02-23-2007 at 08:09 AM.

02-23-2007, 08:37 AM	#484
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	NoMyths is on the clock. Lathum is next, and I have his picks. So Subby, start toking now, you'll be up soon. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-23-2007, 08:38 AM	#485
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Fight for your Right was definitely considered rap at the time. edit - at least, by white kids. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out Last edited by st.cronin : 02-23-2007 at 08:47 AM.

02-23-2007, 08:43 AM	#486
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Pick up soon.

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Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I have a feeling Lathum has one of my picks... :\ __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

02-23-2007, 08:45 AM	#488
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	So far I have Maple Leafs, Lord Scarlet, and Butter as the clear leaders. Superstition was certainly a great pick for crossover, I think people are really going to have problems with that category as time goes on. I think the key categories are going to be: Anti-Establishment Party Crossover Trendsetter One-hit wonders I think those that chose Arena or Classics early are going to kick themselves, because there are enough of those songs out there, that they are not good values early. The drop off in the categories above are huge. With regards to one-hit wonders, its not so much that there are not a lot of them, but how many have held up over time, and which ones will people remember fondly? For example, while Macarena was the biggest hit ever, it is dated now, and how will people vote?

02-23-2007, 08:45 AM	#489
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Fight for Your Right also takes Sabotage out of the Crossover category.

02-23-2007, 08:47 AM	#490
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Stepping out of the Sixties wheelhouse now. I'm happy to be taking this band off the board, and the main reason I'm not taking any of their other hits is because they are either better suited to categories for which there are better choices and because it sits atop my current Arena list, with little else of quality besides it. Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2 Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin Love Song - One-Hit Wonder - Party - Crossover - Cover - Anti-Establishment -

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st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I really thought somebody would tap U2 for a love song in the first couple of rounds. With or without you, maybe. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

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