OT: The FOFC Music Draft - Page 5

Crapshoot · 02-22-2007, 02:28 PM

Nice pick - The Sugarhill Gang were awesome.

Bee · 02-22-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Lordscarlet, did you grow up a rap fan?

I am just wondering because I have never heard of the sugarhill gang and your first pick was also a rap song, kind of.

Someone that knows less about rap than me? Is that possible?

wade moore · 02-22-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Lordscarlet, did you grow up a rap fan?

If you only knew how funny this question is.

Lathum · 02-22-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bee

Someone that knows less about rap than me? Is that possible?

Growing up I despised rap and still do to this day.

I have been a musician since I was 8 and appreciate every kind of music but for some reason I have never had any tolerance for rap.

wade moore · 02-22-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Growing up I despised rap and still do to this day.

I have been a musician since I was 8 and appreciate every kind of music but for some reason I have never had any tolerance for rap.

Well, fwiw, the song is considered to be the first ever hit rap song and basically the origin of the entire genre.

In my mind it is more clear a "trendsetter" than the previously mentioned "Smell's Like Teen Spirit" because you could argue that there were a lot of similar bands and songs that cropped up atht esame time as Teen Spirit, and that it just happened to be the most popular.

lordscarlet · 02-22-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Raise your hand if you have heard of The Organization !!

If you mean The Organisation, you didn't even spell it correctly. And if that's who you mean, then, no, I haven't.

I can throw a lot of things out there that people won't know that I would love to draft. They'll be Free Agent picks, though. No sense in waiting on a draft pick.

Logan · 02-22-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Growing up I despised rap and still do to this day.

I have been a musician since I was 8 and appreciate every kind of music but for some reason I have never had any tolerance for rap.

I've heard other people say this, coming from similar perspectives (they love all types of music, can appreciate all kinds, etc.), but am totally confused how that could be possible. I could understand not appreciating the lyrics, especially more recently with the heavy emphasis on violence and women...but the beats, the rhythms, sometimes I'm just amazed at what I'm hearing (underneath the lyrics).

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 02:36 PM

My pick is coming up... an artist who's been pacing the green room and frantically calling their agent to ask why they haven't been taken yet.

ISiddiqui · 02-22-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I agree, I think he's just about lapped the competition at this point. This draft is now for second place.

Great start, but this comment is a biiit too early. Lots of other catagories around, and I do think that most voters will be looking more at the "Classic" and "Epic" catagories than any other to be frank.

Lathum · 02-22-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

If you mean The Organisation, you didn't even spell it correctly. And if that's who you mean, then, no, I haven't.

I can throw a lot of things out there that people won't know that I would love to draft. They'll be Free Agent picks, though. No sense in waiting on a draft pick.

Not the same. The organization is a band that was formerly known as death angel.

I am in no means being critical of the pic or of the artist and their effect on that genre. I would have never listened to a rap song at the point I was at in the early 90's.

Bee · 02-22-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

My pick is coming up... an artist who's been pacing the green room and frantically calling their agent to ask why they haven't been taken yet.

Billy Joel?

lordscarlet · 02-22-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Not the same. The organization is a band that was formerly known as death angel.

I am in no means being critical of the pic or of the artist and their effect on that genre. I would have never listened to a rap song at the point I was at in the early 90's.

And I didn't think you were. I'm rather certain I have never heard "Rapper's Delight" all the way through, I'm just quite aware of it. "Walk This Way" was originally an Aerosmith song (could've been used in Covers I think) and was and has been heavily rotated ever since.

Lathum · 02-22-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I've heard other people say this, coming from similar perspectives (they love all types of music, can appreciate all kinds, etc.), but am totally confused how that could be possible. I could understand not appreciating the lyrics, especially more recently with the heavy emphasis on violence and women...but the beats, the rhythms, sometimes I'm just amazed at what I'm hearing (underneath the lyrics).

I guess for the same reason I can't undersatnd how someone can't appreciate bagpipes, tin whistles and fiddles in punk music. shrug.

Subby · 02-22-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I guess for the same reason I can't undersatnd how someone can't appreciate bagpipes, tin whistles and fiddles in punk music. shrug.

oooh that just made me think of a good cover

Lathum · 02-22-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

"Walk This Way" was originally an Aerosmith song (could've been used in Covers I think) and was and has been heavily rotated ever since.

that I know

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 02:42 PM

Classic -
Epic -
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

This is the song that introduced Elvis to America, which in turn makes it the song that introduced Rock and Roll to much of meainstream (i.e. white) America. Yes, black artists had been doing rock and roll for years and Rock Around the Clock had already come and gone, and you could even argue that "That's All Right" was the real Elvis crossover song. But Heartbreak Hotel was the big hit that largely launched the Rock and Roll era, not to mention Elvis's career.

And yes, like a lot of songs that will be taken early this techincally could also be a cover. But I doubt the voters think of it that way.

Bee · 02-22-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Great start, but this comment is a biiit too early. Lots of other catagories around, and I do think that most voters will be looking more at the "Classic" and "Epic" catagories than any other to be frank.

I agree. BTW, I think Bucc got a steal with the Stones song in the second round. I think that was a better pick than the Public Enemy song personally (which I thought also was a solid pick).

NoMyths · 02-22-2007, 02:43 PM

Yep, good pick, Maple. I was thinking it might be Hound Dog, though.

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths

Yep, good pick, Maple. I was thinking it might be Hound Dog, though.

That was my original pick, I changed my mind a few times before posting.

NoMyths · 02-22-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

That was my original pick, I changed my mind a few times before posting.

Well, either way, it's good to be King.

Crapshoot · 02-22-2007, 02:46 PM

Huh - I gotta say, purely on personal taste, Presley never did it for me. I can recognize the impact without liking the music though.

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 02:48 PM

ntndeacon PM'ed his pick...

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena -
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

lordscarlet · 02-22-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I guess for the same reason I can't undersatnd how someone can't appreciate bagpipes, tin whistles and fiddles in punk music. shrug.

I don't understand them either.

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley

This is the song that introduced Elvis to America, which in turn makes it the song that introduced Rock and Roll to much of meainstream (i.e. white) America. Yes, black artists had been doing rock and roll for years and Rock Around the Clock had already come and gone, and you could even argue that "That's All Right" was the real Elvis crossover song. But Heartbreak Hotel was the big hit that largely launched the Rock and Roll era, not to mention Elvis's career.

And yes, like a lot of songs that will be taken early this techincally could also be a cover. But I doubt the voters think of it that way.

I had Elvis in my trendsetter list as well. However, I didn't pick him because of the reasons you list above. There are a lot of people that will discredit this pick because he was not the first true rock 'n roll artist, covered a lot of his songs, etc, etc. Good pick, though. I think he had to be a top trendsetter pick.

st.cronin · 02-22-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Huh - I gotta say, purely on personal taste, Presley never did it for me. I can recognize the impact without liking the music though.

ditto

There's a couple of artists I'm surprised ML passed over for that pick. In FOF terms, that's a high volatility pick - the voters may love it, they may hate it.

Surtt · 02-22-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

ntndeacon PM'ed his pick...

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena -
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

That would have been my Anti-Establishment song.

Subby · 02-22-2007, 02:51 PM

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

Lathum · 02-22-2007, 02:52 PM

this trade has me screwed up, can someone print the order of the next few picks

NoMyths · 02-22-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

I'll echo everyone else -- a solid song to pick, but probably the least effective category to put it in.

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I had Elvis in my trendsetter list as well. However, I didn't pick him because of the reasons you list above. There are a lot of people that will discredit this pick because he was not the first true rock 'n roll artist, covered a lot of his songs, etc, etc. Good pick, though. I think he had to be a top trendsetter pick.

Yeah, it's a tricky pick. "Elvis copied rock and roll from black artists" is like "Video Killed the Radio Star was the first song played on MTV" -- it's one of those things that everybody already knows, but some people still insist on treaking like it's a groundbreaking piece of news.

Still, putting all that aside, anyone who claims Elvis Presley wasn't one of the two or three most influential figures in rock and roll history is just trying to be argumentative.

vtbub · 02-22-2007, 02:56 PM

Classic - Yesterday- The Beatles 1.5
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - Rock Around The Clock- Bill Haley and The Comets 2.6
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

The song that set the trend.

Surtt · 02-22-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

It certainly fits into either category.

I was a in high school when it came out and remember it more for the social cometary then just as a great song.

lordscarlet · 02-22-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

I think there is a gigantic blurry line between Arena Rocker and Epic. A lot of things can go in both.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

this trade has me screwed up, can someone print the order of the next few picks

Should be:

2.6 vtbub
2.7 Butter_of_69
2.8 NoMyths
2.9 Lathum
2.10 Subby

Round 3
3.1 Subby
3.2 Lathum
3.3 NoMyths
3.4 Butter_of_69
3.5 Maple Leafs
3.6 ntndeacon
3.7 vtbub
3.8 lordscarlet
3.9 Buccaneer
3.10 Oilers9911

wade moore · 02-22-2007, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

If you're going Floyd for Arena Rock, I don't see how this is the song you pick - particularly based on the definition that Maple Leafs laid out.

Lathum · 02-22-2007, 02:58 PM

cool, thanks.

My pick is still intact

st.cronin · 02-22-2007, 02:58 PM

Wow, trendsetter is becoming like the center position in the NBA, or like DH in MLB. Teams are just putting random guys in the lineup, without even checking to see if they're any good.

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 02:59 PM

I'll give Butter a little while to show up, otherwise I have a pick to use for him.

ISiddiqui · 02-22-2007, 02:59 PM

Trendsetter is going to be difficult now. Sure there are plenty of trendsetting artists/songs unpicked, but the question is how many of the voters will recognize, say, a trendsetting Blues song.

wade moore · 02-22-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Trendsetter is going to be difficult now. Sure there are plenty of trendsetting artists/songs unpicked, but the question is how many of the voters will recognize, say, a trendsetting Blues song.

I think it also becomes tricky to define that they were truely a trendsetter. That's what I was trying to say earlier. Finding songs that A) Are truely trendsetters and B) People know are trendsetters - will be difficult.

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Trendsetter is going to be difficult now. Sure there are plenty of trendsetting artists/songs unpicked, but the question is how many of the voters will recognize, say, a trendsetting Blues song.

Bingo.

Not to mention, the category isn't "most influential", it's "trendsetting". There's a difference. Can something (relativelty) obscure really be considered a trendsetter? Or is the song that rips it off and becomes a hit the trendsetter?

Edit: For example, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" wasn't especially original. That sound had been around for years, and many great bands had come and gone in relative obscurity playing songs that sounded an awful lot like what Nirvana ended up releasing. They didn't invent anything or even perfect it, but they were the ones who brought it to a larger audience. Original? No. Trendsetting? Without question.

cthomer5000 · 02-22-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Bingo.

Not to mention, the category isn't "most influential", it's "trendsetting". There's a difference. Can something (relativelty) obscure really be considered a trendsetter? Or is the song that rips it off and becomes a hit the trendsetter?

yeah... bands like Velvet Underground do have massive influence, but the public is entirely unaware. In a competition like this you need to go for mass appeal, baby.

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 03:12 PM

I see NoMyths is in the thread, so I'll make Butter's pick now so we can keep moving.

Classic -
Epic - 1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 2.7 - Anarchy in the UK - The Sex Pistols

Crapshoot · 02-22-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I see NoMyths is in the thread, so I'll make Butter's pick now so we can keep moving.

Classic -
Epic - 1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 2.7 - Anarchy in the UK - The Sex Pistols

Nice - though I obviously preferred London Calling.

st.cronin · 02-22-2007, 03:14 PM

NoMyths is going to pick a woman, I can feel it.

Maple Leafs · 02-22-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Nice - though I obviously preferred London Calling.

It will be awesome when that song gets picked in the tenth round and everyone says "wait, wasn't that already taken?"

NoMyths · 02-22-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

NoMyths is going to pick a woman, I can feel it.

Ooooh....scary. Pick on its way...

Subby · 02-22-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths

Ooooh....scary pick on its way...

I CAN ONLY IMAGINE

st.cronin · 02-22-2007, 03:22 PM

Definitely don't have to worry about a Michael Penn tune here ... its too early in the draft for that.

NoMyths · 02-22-2007, 03:23 PM

A tough choice here, as there are songs I'd prefer to have earlier, but that "two songs sung by women" rule is going to bite some folks in the tail. I'm going to avoid the coming crunch by taking one one of the most popularly beloved and critically important songs by a woman artist. The song has it all -- social consciousness, the civil rights era backdrop, an African-American woman demanding her due...and it rocks, too. Every female vocalist in the modern era walks the trail this song blazed. I also get bonus points for having seen her perform it. With that:

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Lathum · 02-22-2007, 03:24 PM

I'm up. correct?

NoMyths · 02-22-2007, 03:25 PM

02-22-2007, 02:36 PM	#208
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	My pick is coming up... an artist who's been pacing the green room and frantically calling their agent to ask why they haven't been taken yet. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-22-2007, 02:42 PM	#216
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Classic - Epic - Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley Love Song - One-Hit Wonder - Party - Crossover - Cover - Anti-Establishment - This is the song that introduced Elvis to America, which in turn makes it the song that introduced Rock and Roll to much of meainstream (i.e. white) America. Yes, black artists had been doing rock and roll for years and Rock Around the Clock had already come and gone, and you could even argue that "That's All Right" was the real Elvis crossover song. But Heartbreak Hotel was the big hit that largely launched the Rock and Roll era, not to mention Elvis's career. And yes, like a lot of songs that will be taken early this techincally could also be a cover. But I doubt the voters think of it that way. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis Last edited by Maple Leafs : 02-22-2007 at 02:43 PM.

02-22-2007, 02:48 PM	#222
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	ntndeacon PM'ed his pick... Classic - Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd Arena - Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys Love Song - One-Hit Wonder - Party - Crossover - Cover - Anti-Establishment - __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-22-2007, 02:51 PM	#226
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no? __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

02-22-2007, 02:56 PM	#230
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Classic - Yesterday- The Beatles 1.5 Epic - Arena - Trendsetter - Rock Around The Clock- Bill Haley and The Comets 2.6 Love Song - One-Hit Wonder - Party - Crossover - Cover - Anti-Establishment - The song that set the trend. __________________

02-22-2007, 02:28 PM	#201
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Nice pick - The Sugarhill Gang were awesome.

02-22-2007, 02:43 PM	#218
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Yep, good pick, Maple. I was thinking it might be Hound Dog, though.

02-22-2007, 02:46 PM	#221
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Huh - I gotta say, purely on personal taste, Presley never did it for me. I can recognize the impact without liking the music though.

02-22-2007, 02:52 PM	#227
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	this trade has me screwed up, can someone print the order of the next few picks

02-22-2007, 02:58 PM	#234
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	cool, thanks. My pick is still intact

02-22-2007, 02:58 PM	#235
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Wow, trendsetter is becoming like the center position in the NBA, or like DH in MLB. Teams are just putting random guys in the lineup, without even checking to see if they're any good. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-22-2007, 02:59 PM	#236
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I'll give Butter a little while to show up, otherwise I have a pick to use for him. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-22-2007, 02:59 PM	#237
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Trendsetter is going to be difficult now. Sure there are plenty of trendsetting artists/songs unpicked, but the question is how many of the voters will recognize, say, a trendsetting Blues song. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

02-22-2007, 03:12 PM	#241
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I see NoMyths is in the thread, so I'll make Butter's pick now so we can keep moving. Classic - Epic - 1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen Arena - Trendsetter - Love Song - One-Hit Wonder - Party - Crossover - Cover - Anti-Establishment - 2.7 - Anarchy in the UK - The Sex Pistols __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-22-2007, 03:14 PM	#243
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	NoMyths is going to pick a woman, I can feel it. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-22-2007, 03:22 PM	#247
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Definitely don't have to worry about a Michael Penn tune here ... its too early in the draft for that. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-22-2007, 03:23 PM	#248
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	A tough choice here, as there are songs I'd prefer to have earlier, but that "two songs sung by women" rule is going to bite some folks in the tail. I'm going to avoid the coming crunch by taking one one of the most popularly beloved and critically important songs by a woman artist. The song has it all -- social consciousness, the civil rights era backdrop, an African-American woman demanding her due...and it rocks, too. Every female vocalist in the modern era walks the trail this song blazed. I also get bonus points for having seen her perform it. With that: Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan Epic - Arena - Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin Love Song - One-Hit Wonder - Party - Crossover - Cover - Anti-Establishment -

02-22-2007, 03:24 PM	#249
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I'm up. correct?

02-22-2007, 03:25 PM	#250
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Yep.

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