The Official March Madness 2007 Thread - Page 7

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 07:43 PM

is it too late to take Texas out of my bracket, because they're somewhat important to it. And am I the only one who can't look at Reggie Theus, because every time I do, I see Anthony Anderson and the other people from Hangtime.

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 07:47 PM

It looks like the Horns might be finally turning it up against NMSWho.

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 07:47 PM

I think I jynxed these games. Now we have 4 borderline lousy games...

MJ4H · 03-16-2007, 07:48 PM

hahahaha Hangtime I forgot about that. I was just IMing with a friend of mine that I hadn't seen Reggie Theus since that night when he was an analyst for TNT and uttered a line that we quoted a lot over the next several years (not a great line or anything so I won't share it, it was just the situation at the time made it pretty hilarious).

But I had forgotten about Hangtime.

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 07:49 PM

Heh, love seeing Theus the bitch getting a T.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 07:52 PM

I still have a Reggie Theus with the Nets basketball card from the 80's. A tall ugly man in those old hideous Nets uniforms scared the hell out of me. That card was kept at the bottom of the shoe box.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 07:59 PM

Are Gumbel and friends working tonight, because I haven't seen a live look-in tonight.

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 08:01 PM

USU Aggie fans mock Reggie Theus

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 08:10 PM

Why in the world do you come out of the press there if you're VA Tech?

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 08:13 PM

Reggie Theus=Genius. I mean, he turned Anthony Anderson into an All State basketball player, and he won with a girl, why should we have doubted New Mexico State?

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by adubroff

I think I jynxed these games. Now we have 4 borderline lousy games...

For the love of God, do not say a word.

BTW, commercials on all the games right now (though I can't see Kansas to confirm)

kingfc22 · 03-16-2007, 08:17 PM

What a horrible non-call in the VT/ILL game.

kingfc22 · 03-16-2007, 08:19 PM

Huge free throws coming up for the Illini.

And he chokes.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Huge free throws coming up for the Illini.

And he chokes.

At least he drew iron this time

INDalltheway · 03-16-2007, 08:27 PM

Lots of no calls there at the end of Va Tech/Illinois... I told you guys not to doubt PURDUE..

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

For the love of God, do not say a word.

BTW, commercials on all the games right now (though I can't see Kansas to confirm)

At least I was able to reverse jynx one of them...

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 08:40 PM

See ya later, Laggies!

cartman · 03-16-2007, 08:44 PM

I had to work late tonight, so I wasn't able to start watching the game until 10 minutes left. The 'Horns have a bad habit of playing up to or down to the level of their opponent. When they could have put NMSU away in the 2nd half, they let them get back into it, and didn't ice the game until about a minute and a half left to play.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 08:47 PM

Probably should have been a 6 seed at best

miami_fan · 03-16-2007, 08:48 PM

Kentucky and Villanova coming up. I truly believe that Tubby Smith is coaching for his job in this game.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 08:48 PM

I've got the Wildcats in this game. Anyone want to take another stance?

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 08:51 PM

OK, so Kentucky accidently started the wrong player, so to start the game on the tip, they had him foul the first guy who grabbed the ball. Am I the only one who thinks that is completely classless by the coaches? The kid had played in three games all year. Unless he hasn't practiced in the past month, could it really be that harmful to let him play until the first dead ball? Just an FYI, that first dead ball came after 30 seconds.

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Kentucky and Villanova coming up. I truly believe that Tubby Smith is coaching for his job in this game.

The latest rumor is that HWSNBN will be the next coach of UK. Of course, if he turned down IU last year I don't know why he would leave for Kentucky. But then again, he's never lasted more than three years at any school he's been at.

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

OK, so Kentucky accidently started the wrong player, so to start the game on the tip, they had him foul the first guy who grabbed the ball. Am I the only one who thinks that is completely classless by the coaches? The kid had played in three games all year. Unless he hasn't practiced in the past month, could it really be that harmful to let him play until the first dead ball? Just an FYI, that first dead ball came after 30 seconds.

I tend to agree...to be honest if he's going to intentionally foul they should have had him be ultraaggro on the ball handler and play for a steal....at least maybe they get a benefit then.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 08:56 PM

BTW, the player who was subbed in was subbed out at the three minute mark. I am now actively campaigning for Fatty to be fired for being such a classless loser.

miami_fan · 03-16-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

OK, so Kentucky accidently started the wrong player, so to start the game on the tip, they had him foul the first guy who grabbed the ball. Am I the only one who thinks that is completely classless by the coaches? The kid had played in three games all year. Unless he hasn't practiced in the past month, could it really be that harmful to let him play until the first dead ball? Just an FYI, that first dead ball came after 30 seconds.

I have no problem with it. There is a reason he has only played in three games all season. It is not like it is Senior Night and you are giving the senior who sits the bench all year a chance to start.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 08:58 PM

but why tell him to foul? What good does that do your team, especially since you subbed the other guy out 3 minutes later. It did absolutely no good for your team.

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 09:01 PM

HTF do you accidentally start the wrong player?!?

Edit: Especially one that's only played in three games?!?!?!?!?!

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

HTF do you accidentally start the wrong player?!?

Edit: Especially one that's only played in three games?!?!?!?!?!

same last name as his cousin, the starter.

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 09:03 PM

But wouldn't the scrub know that he wasn't actually supposed to be in there?

Edit: Or was it a mistake by the scorers table?

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

But wouldn't the scrub know that he wasn't actually supposed to be in there?

Edit: Or was it a mistake by the scorers table?

they said the rules say that whoever is on the lineup card or whatever has to start.

edit, the coaches made the mistake, but i guess you can't change it.

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

But wouldn't the scrub know that he wasn't actually supposed to be in there?

Edit: Or was it a mistake by the scorers table?

They submitted it to the scorer so they were bound.

miami_fan · 03-16-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

but why tell him to foul? What good does that do your team, especially since you subbed the other guy out 3 minutes later. It did absolutely no good for your team.

The flip side is if the kid is abused during his time on the court, you are blamed for not doing everything in your power to get him out of the game as quickly as possible.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

The flip side is if the kid is abused during his time on the court, you are blamed for not doing everything in your power to get him out of the game as quickly as possible.

Villanova has abused them all game, so it wouldn't have made much of a difference.

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 09:07 PM

Gotcha, thanks.

miami_fan · 03-16-2007, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

HTF do you accidentally start the wrong player?!?

Edit: Especially one that's only played in three games?!?!?!?!?!

That is the real question. I am not sure how they screw that one up at this point of the season.

JeeberD · 03-16-2007, 09:08 PM

Though I still don't see how the coaching staff could make that kind of gaffe.

Easy Mac · 03-16-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

That is the real question. I am not sure how they screw that one up at this point of the season.

I'm sure Kentucky fans are sitting back and saying "oh that Tubby!"

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 09:13 PM

Nardi always reminds me of Ollie in Hoosiers. I wonder if Jay Wright measured the hoop height.

Pumpy Tudors · 03-16-2007, 09:31 PM

It was obviously a mistake on the coaching staff's part to start that guy, so they had to do whatever was necessary to get the "real" starter onto the floor. It's not like Tubby was trying to taunt the guy by starting him. It was a mistake (albeit a very stupid one). Commit the foul immediately, and it doesn't cost UK anything but a team foul. Why not?

It's the NCAA tournament. You absolutely do not compromise your team's chance to win by playing a kid who played 3 games all year just to avoid hurting his feelings. That guy did not belong in the game, and Tubby made sure to get his real starting lineup on the floor ASAP. I don't see a problem with that at all.

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

It was obviously a mistake on the coaching staff's part to start that guy, so they had to do whatever was necessary to get the "real" starter onto the floor. It's not like Tubby was trying to taunt the guy by starting him. It was a mistake (albeit a very stupid one). Commit the foul immediately, and it doesn't cost UK anything but a team foul. Why not?

It's the NCAA tournament. You absolutely do not compromise your team's chance to win by playing a kid who played 3 games all year just to avoid hurting his feelings. That guy did not belong in the game, and Tubby made sure to get his real starting lineup on the floor ASAP. I don't see a problem with that at all.

My one issue is that he didn't try to gain an advantage given that he's gonna commit a foul. He could have had the kid set hack for a steal or set a hard moving screen. Maybe they wouldn't have called it. Most likely they would but you risk nothing really.

Pumpy Tudors · 03-16-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by adubroff

My one issue is that he didn't try to gain an advantage given that he's gonna commit a foul. He could have had the kid set hack for a steal or set a hard moving screen. Maybe they wouldn't have called it. Most likely they would but you risk nothing really.

He could also go for a steal, miss, and leave his team defending 4-on-5 for a moment. Once the lineup mistake is made, the objective is to get that kid off the floor as soon as humanly possible. The way they ended up doing it, absolutely nothing could go wrong for Kentucky. No chance for mistakes, no chance for injury, no chance for any time to run off the clock with the wrong guy on the floor... nothing.

Now, if it's a kid who's played in 10 or 15 games, or if it's your team's 8th or 9th man, maybe you give him more freedom to make a play, but it's someone who's pretty much never played. Without any significant game experience, the safest move is to just commit a quick, obvious foul and get off the floor.

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 10:39 PM

This Nova game is very weird. Seems to me like Kentucky should be up 15 because they have played so well this half, but Nova has done a good job staying in shouting distance.

If they come back and win that Nardi play will probably be the key.

RedKingGold · 03-16-2007, 11:05 PM

Blah. Nova needs to recruit more offense. I fear for next year with Sumpter gone. What a sad ending to a promising college career. Had Sumpter been healthy last year, its not a stretch to think that they could've beaten Florida and at least made it to the Final Four.

henry296 · 03-16-2007, 11:15 PM

Every single 1-5 seed won their first round game. I wonder if that has every happened before.

adubroff · 03-16-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Every single 1-5 seed won their first round game. I wonder if that has every happened before.

I don't think I remember a worse slate of opening round games in my tourney watching lifetime. Hopefully all those high seeds will be well matched over the weekend, because the public certainly deserves it.

kingfc22 · 03-16-2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adubroff

I don't think I remember a worse slate of opening round games in my tourney watching lifetime. Hopefully all those high seeds will be well matched over the weekend, because the public certainly deserves it.

I'll second that notion. What a bunch of snoozers so far.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-16-2007, 11:27 PM

Quite a few interesting stats at this site, including records by seed
http://mcubed.net/ncaab/seeds.shtml
But of all the stuff there, I didn't see an easy answer to the question of how long since the top 5 all won their 1st game.

But I did find this:
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebas...story/shockers

No top 4's lost in 2004, but #12's Pacific & Manhattan beat #5's Providence & Florida

But in 2000, all of the 1-5 teams won their opener but it was close:
http://espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney00/s/bracket.html
Florida beat Butler 69-68 in OT and Kentucky beat St. Bonaventure 85-80 in 2 OT.
(biggest 1st round upset was #11 Pepperdine over #6 Indiana 77-57)

Only other time since 1985 that no top 4's lost in the first round was 1994, but a pair of 5's won: Tulsa over UCLA 112-102 and Wisc-GB beat Cal 61-57.

So it looks like this has only happened one other time since the field went to 64 teams.

henry296 · 03-17-2007, 12:02 AM

Jon,

Thanks for the research. Interestingly in 2000, we then had 2 #1s and 3 #2s lose in the second round and the final four was 1,5,8,8.

Easy Mac · 03-17-2007, 12:20 AM

time to change my briefcase lock...

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03-16-2007, 07:48 PM	#304
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	hahahaha Hangtime I forgot about that. I was just IMing with a friend of mine that I hadn't seen Reggie Theus since that night when he was an analyst for TNT and uttered a line that we quoted a lot over the next several years (not a great line or anything so I won't share it, it was just the situation at the time made it pretty hilarious). But I had forgotten about Hangtime. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

03-16-2007, 07:49 PM	#305
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Heh, love seeing Theus the bitch getting a T. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

03-16-2007, 08:01 PM	#308
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	USU Aggie fans mock Reggie Theus __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

03-16-2007, 08:17 PM	#312
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	What a horrible non-call in the VT/ILL game. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

03-16-2007, 07:43 PM	#301
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	is it too late to take Texas out of my bracket, because they're somewhat important to it. And am I the only one who can't look at Reggie Theus, because every time I do, I see Anthony Anderson and the other people from Hangtime.

03-16-2007, 07:47 PM	#303
adubroff High School JV Join Date: Nov 2006	I think I jynxed these games. Now we have 4 borderline lousy games...

03-16-2007, 07:52 PM	#306
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I still have a Reggie Theus with the Nets basketball card from the 80's. A tall ugly man in those old hideous Nets uniforms scared the hell out of me. That card was kept at the bottom of the shoe box.

03-16-2007, 07:59 PM	#307
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Are Gumbel and friends working tonight, because I haven't seen a live look-in tonight.

03-16-2007, 08:10 PM	#309
adubroff High School JV Join Date: Nov 2006	Why in the world do you come out of the press there if you're VA Tech?

03-16-2007, 08:13 PM	#310
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Reggie Theus=Genius. I mean, he turned Anthony Anderson into an All State basketball player, and he won with a girl, why should we have doubted New Mexico State?

03-16-2007, 08:19 PM	#313
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03-16-2007, 08:27 PM	#315
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	Lots of no calls there at the end of Va Tech/Illinois... I told you guys not to doubt PURDUE..

03-16-2007, 08:40 PM	#317
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	See ya later, Laggies! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

03-16-2007, 08:44 PM	#318
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I had to work late tonight, so I wasn't able to start watching the game until 10 minutes left. The 'Horns have a bad habit of playing up to or down to the level of their opponent. When they could have put NMSU away in the 2nd half, they let them get back into it, and didn't ice the game until about a minute and a half left to play. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-16-2007, 08:47 PM	#319
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Probably should have been a 6 seed at best

03-16-2007, 08:48 PM	#320
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Kentucky and Villanova coming up. I truly believe that Tubby Smith is coaching for his job in this game. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-16-2007, 08:48 PM	#321
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I've got the Wildcats in this game. Anyone want to take another stance?

03-16-2007, 08:51 PM	#322
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	OK, so Kentucky accidently started the wrong player, so to start the game on the tip, they had him foul the first guy who grabbed the ball. Am I the only one who thinks that is completely classless by the coaches? The kid had played in three games all year. Unless he hasn't practiced in the past month, could it really be that harmful to let him play until the first dead ball? Just an FYI, that first dead ball came after 30 seconds.

03-16-2007, 08:56 PM	#325
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	BTW, the player who was subbed in was subbed out at the three minute mark. I am now actively campaigning for Fatty to be fired for being such a classless loser.

03-16-2007, 08:58 PM	#327
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	but why tell him to foul? What good does that do your team, especially since you subbed the other guy out 3 minutes later. It did absolutely no good for your team.

03-16-2007, 09:01 PM	#328
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	HTF do you accidentally start the wrong player?!? Edit: Especially one that's only played in three games?!?!?!?!?! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO Last edited by JeeberD : 03-16-2007 at 09:01 PM.

03-16-2007, 09:03 PM	#330
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	But wouldn't the scrub know that he wasn't actually supposed to be in there? Edit: Or was it a mistake by the scorers table? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO Last edited by JeeberD : 03-16-2007 at 09:04 PM.

03-16-2007, 09:07 PM	#335
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Gotcha, thanks. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

03-16-2007, 09:08 PM	#337
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Though I still don't see how the coaching staff could make that kind of gaffe. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO Last edited by JeeberD : 03-16-2007 at 09:10 PM.

03-16-2007, 09:13 PM	#339
adubroff High School JV Join Date: Nov 2006	Nardi always reminds me of Ollie in Hoosiers. I wonder if Jay Wright measured the hoop height.

03-16-2007, 09:31 PM	#340
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	It was obviously a mistake on the coaching staff's part to start that guy, so they had to do whatever was necessary to get the "real" starter onto the floor. It's not like Tubby was trying to taunt the guy by starting him. It was a mistake (albeit a very stupid one). Commit the foul immediately, and it doesn't cost UK anything but a team foul. Why not? It's the NCAA tournament. You absolutely do not compromise your team's chance to win by playing a kid who played 3 games all year just to avoid hurting his feelings. That guy did not belong in the game, and Tubby made sure to get his real starting lineup on the floor ASAP. I don't see a problem with that at all. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

03-16-2007, 10:39 PM	#343
adubroff High School JV Join Date: Nov 2006	This Nova game is very weird. Seems to me like Kentucky should be up 15 because they have played so well this half, but Nova has done a good job staying in shouting distance. If they come back and win that Nardi play will probably be the key.

03-16-2007, 11:05 PM	#344
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Blah. Nova needs to recruit more offense. I fear for next year with Sumpter gone. What a sad ending to a promising college career. Had Sumpter been healthy last year, its not a stretch to think that they could've beaten Florida and at least made it to the Final Four.

03-16-2007, 11:15 PM	#345
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Every single 1-5 seed won their first round game. I wonder if that has every happened before. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

03-16-2007, 11:27 PM	#348
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Quite a few interesting stats at this site, including records by seed http://mcubed.net/ncaab/seeds.shtml But of all the stuff there, I didn't see an easy answer to the question of how long since the top 5 all won their 1st game. But I did find this: http://www.sportsline.com/collegebas...story/shockers No top 4's lost in 2004, but #12's Pacific & Manhattan beat #5's Providence & Florida But in 2000, all of the 1-5 teams won their opener but it was close: http://espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney00/s/bracket.html Florida beat Butler 69-68 in OT and Kentucky beat St. Bonaventure 85-80 in 2 OT. (biggest 1st round upset was #11 Pepperdine over #6 Indiana 77-57) Only other time since 1985 that no top 4's lost in the first round was 1994, but a pair of 5's won: Tulsa over UCLA 112-102 and Wisc-GB beat Cal 61-57. So it looks like this has only happened one other time since the field went to 64 teams. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 03-16-2007 at 11:41 PM.

03-17-2007, 12:02 AM	#349
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Jon, Thanks for the research. Interestingly in 2000, we then had 2 #1s and 3 #2s lose in the second round and the final four was 1,5,8,8. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson Last edited by henry296 : 03-17-2007 at 12:07 AM.

03-17-2007, 12:20 AM	#350
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	time to change my briefcase lock...

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