Official 2008-2009 MLB Offseason Thread - Page 2

lungs · 11-06-2008, 10:55 AM

What???? Derek Jeter didn't get the Gold Glove? Bullshit.

ISiddiqui · 11-06-2008, 11:08 AM

miked · 11-06-2008, 11:15 AM

Rumor is that Manny has been offered a contract by the Dodgers for around 24-26M per year, but another rumor is that it's just a 2 year deal with an option or something. Why would he do that, it seems like a silly offer. It really only pays him "marginally" more than he was set to make with his declined option anyway.

Logan · 11-06-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

What???? Derek Jeter didn't get the Gold Glove? Bullshit.

It's cool, he'll have less competition at 1B in a couple years.

lungs · 11-06-2008, 12:08 PM

Any Yanks fans?

Mike Cameron/Melky Cabrera rumors?

I'm torn. Cameron was lot more valuable to the Brewers than anybody gives credit. But getting CF is a black hole long term for the Crew. No, Tony Gwynn Jr. is not the answer. Question is, is Melky Cabrera basically Tony Gwynn Jr.?

Lathum · 11-06-2008, 12:11 PM

didnt the brewers just pick up an option on Cameron?

DeToxRox · 11-06-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Any Yanks fans?

Mike Cameron/Melky Cabrera rumors?

I'm torn. Cameron was lot more valuable to the Brewers than anybody gives credit. But getting CF is a black hole long term for the Crew. No, Tony Gwynn Jr. is not the answer. Question is, is Melky Cabrera basically Tony Gwynn Jr.?

Cameron is Sabathias BFF I do believe. Wonder if that is part of it.

Melky is decent but not great. Hes probably tapped offensivley but is a solid defender. Honestly, it is probably a wash. Cameron has more pop, Melky will hit for a better average. Defensivley both are good but Melky is probably a bit better.

Logan · 11-06-2008, 12:32 PM

Melky's pretty shitty. You can find a comparable defender who can actually hit. I wouldn't consider your CF position no longer a "black hole" if it's filled by him.

lungs · 11-06-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

didnt the brewers just pick up an option on Cameron?

Yessir, $10 million.

Well, the other part of the rumor had Betemit possibly going to Milwaukee also. Not that that excites me too much either.

Qwikshot · 11-07-2008, 08:42 AM

Phils making a run at Holliday?

stevew · 11-07-2008, 08:51 AM

When does open season on fa's start.

lungs · 11-07-2008, 10:01 AM

Expanding on yesterday's Mike Cameron to the Yankees rumors, by last night I was hearing Ian Kennedy's name and I wondered if Brian Cashman had gone completely nuts.

Apparently not. I'm pretty sure it didn't come from the Milwaukee papers but whoever started that rumor is pretty dumb.

Milwaukee will wait to see what Sabathia does before they do anything with Cameron.

RedKingGold · 11-07-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Phils making a run at Holliday?

Almost happened at the trade deadline last season, but the Rockies wanted too much. I think they wanted Victorino, Carrasco or Happ, and their top catching prospect (whose name escapes me at the moment) and the Phillies balked.

I'd love to have Holliday, but it depends on the asking price. You'd think that it should drop a little bit because Holliday is a free agent at the end of 09' and his agent is Boras. But if it still costs Werth or Victornio and Carrasco, I'd still balk.

While I do hope that the Phils are aggressive this off-season, I hope it's more in the FA market than trade market. The core of the defending World Champions is signed at set until after 2010, so the focus of the team should be improving the mediocre farm system in case we have to let Madson and/or Howard walk by then.

BishopMVP · 11-07-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

What???? Derek Jeter didn't get the Gold Glove? Bullshit.

In a shocking upset, the "Derek Jeter Memorial Great Hitting, Terrible Fielding AL Shortstop Gold Glove" went to Michael Young this year. Beyond that, Torii Hunter? Name recognition. Nate McLouth? Why?

lungs · 11-07-2008, 10:16 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3686992

Interesting stuff. Two guys from India get a tryout in front of major league scouts.

Baseball would be well served to try and expand interest in China and India and Asia as a whole. Japan, Korea, and Taiwan have already produced big leaguers and I'm all for continuing to mine for talent in places you wouldn't think had any.

lungs · 11-07-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Nate McLouth? Why?

Gritty white guy that made only one error.

BishopMVP · 11-07-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Gritty white guy that made only one error.

Also 40 runs below league average according to the Fielding Bible. Seriously, how many outfielders make more than say, 3 errors in a season? Other than Jose Canseco.

lungs · 11-07-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Also 40 runs below league average according to the Fielding Bible. Seriously, how many outfielders make more than say, 3 errors in a season? Other than Jose Canseco.

Of course. Does anybody take Gold Gloves (or any award, for that matter) seriously?

Awards are a joke.

BishopMVP · 11-07-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Of course. Does anybody take Gold Gloves (or any award, for that matter) seriously?

Awards are a joke.

Sportswriters, broadcasters and Derek Jeter fanboys?

lungs · 11-07-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Sportswriters, broadcasters and Derek Jeter fanboys?

And, unfortunately, dumb owners that let GMs pay salaries based on them.

edited wording

stevew · 11-07-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Nate McLouth? Why?

One error all year, i believe. He was still well below average, though.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-07-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Also 40 runs below league average according to the Fielding Bible. Seriously, how many outfielders make more than say, 3 errors in a season? Other than Jose Canseco.

25, in 2008.

Delmon Young
Carlos Quentin
Adam Dunn
Fred Lewis
Raul Ibanez
Jason Bay
Carlos Gomez
BJ Upton
Willy Taveras
Lastings Milledge
Michael Bourn
Josh Hamilton
Aaron Rowand
Curtis Granderson
Melky Cabrera
Rich Ankiel
Nick Swisher
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Brad Hawpe
Brian Giles
Corey Hart
Magglio Ordonez
Kosuke Fukodome
Jeremy Hermida
Jeff Francouer

Just be glad you didn't say "make 3 errors or more per year"
That would have added 9 more to the list.

RedKingGold · 11-07-2008, 01:26 PM

As said before, end-season awards are pretty much a joke. So, I'm not too riled up about that.

The bigger travesty is that they are taken heavily into account for HoF selection.

BishopMVP · 11-08-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

in 2008.

Adam Dunn
Fred Lewis
Jason Bay
Willy Taveras
Lastings Milledge
Michael Bourn
Aaron Rowand
Rick Ankiel
Brad Hawpe
Brian Giles
Corey Hart
Kosuke Fukodome
Jeremy Hermida
Jeff Francouer

Just be glad you didn't say "make 3 errors or more per year"
That would have added 9 more to the list.

Shurg. I'm not arguing with anyone here (not like anyone's defending the GG), I'm just trying to figure out how/why a plurality of sportswriters picked Nate McLouth on their own. There are ~25-30 NL outfielders who "only had" 2 errors or less, ~10 centerfielders, and McLouth had no reputation as far as I knew. I guess it really is a David Eckstein-hustling white guy award.

lungs · 11-08-2008, 04:01 PM

That's why my baseball career never progressed. I had the white part down, but I didn't have the hustling part down.

DeToxRox · 11-09-2008, 06:03 PM

Apparently the Nats are going to offer Tex his 10 years, 200 mil to bring him home. That is quite an interesting development if it winds up being true.

Logan · 11-09-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Apparently the Nats are going to offer Tex his 10 years, 200 mil to bring him home. That is quite an interesting development if it winds up being true.

Good lord, is "Tex" a nickname for some new, amazing player I've never heard of?

MrBug708 · 11-09-2008, 07:31 PM

I've always know him him as Tex, was that not an acceptable nickname?

ISiddiqui · 11-09-2008, 07:32 PM

I think he was saying that he's not worth that much money.

DeToxRox · 11-09-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I've always know him him as Tex, was that not an acceptable nickname?

I think he's saying Tex isn't worth the money, which he isn't.

JPhillips · 11-09-2008, 08:38 PM

At least with a ten year deal he might be there when the Nats finally turn things around.

Chief Rum · 11-09-2008, 11:39 PM

Local rumor has the Angels offering Teix a 6 to 7 year deal at $20 M per. At least for now. No one's saying if they will go higher when he hits the market.

lordscarlet · 11-10-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Matt Holliday to the A's. No details yet, per Heyman on WFAN.

There goes that far fetched dream.

Thomkal · 11-10-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Matt Holliday to the A's. No details yet, per Heyman on WFAN.

crap, ESPN was reporting over the weekend that the Cards were their #1 choice

DeToxRox · 11-10-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

crap, ESPN was reporting over the weekend that the Cards were their #1 choice

Cards backed out. Price was too steep. I wonder what Oakland gave up? They have tons of depth, so I am sure Colorado made out nicely, but I am suprised the A's will take on the salary.

DeToxRox · 11-10-2008, 02:02 PM

2:00pm: Ken Rosenthal chimes in. The deal may not be finalized for about 48 hours. Players discussed over the weekend: Carlos Gonzalez, Huston Street, and Smith.

Smith being P Greg Smith.

Thomkal · 11-10-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Cards backed out. Price was too steep. I wonder what Oakland gave up? They have tons of depth, so I am sure Colorado made out nicely, but I am suprised the A's will take on the salary.

bummer

Coffee Warlord · 11-10-2008, 02:18 PM

No major surprise. Geo Soto wins NL ROY.

Evan Longoria wins the AL.

MikeVic · 11-10-2008, 02:33 PM

Ever since reading Moneyball, when I hear trades or trade rumours involving the As I think that Billy Beane somehow conned the other team into a bad trade.

DeToxRox · 11-10-2008, 02:34 PM

Looks like Smith, Street and Gonzalez will head to Colorado in exchange for Holliday.

I like the move for the A's. I am not sold on Street, but Smith and Gonzalez could be good pieces.

Big Fo · 11-10-2008, 02:52 PM

The Padres have said Peavy will likely be traded soon, to either the Braves, Cubs, or Dodgers. Even with Peavy the Braves still need some help, they have to do something about the outfield especially.

MikeVic · 11-10-2008, 02:54 PM

Why trade Peavy??

Fighter of Foo · 11-10-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I think it's a good trade for the A's, predicated on the Angels not retaining Teixeira. I think that the A's could compete, and get their 2 picks after Holliday leaves.

What do the Angels have to do with whether it's a good trade for Oakland?

DeToxRox · 11-10-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

What do the Angels have to do with whether it's a good trade for Oakland?

Makes the West winnable for Oakland. Angels could lose Tex and KRod and their OF isn't getting younger.

MrBug708 · 11-10-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

The Padres have said Peavy will likely be traded soon, to either the Braves, Cubs, or Dodgers. Even with Peavy the Braves still need some help, they have to do something about the outfield especially.

I cant imagine the Dodegrs would give what the Pads want.

Lathum · 11-10-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

What do the Angels have to do with whether it's a good trade for Oakland?

I would imagine its because they play in the same division and without Tex the A's can maybe compete.

Fighter of Foo · 11-10-2008, 03:04 PM

There's no need to win the division. Just win 95 games. If the Angels decide to keep Tex and KRod so be it.

Galaril · 11-10-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Looks like Smith, Street and Gonzalez will head to Colorado in exchange for Holliday.

I like the move for the A's. I am not sold on Street, but Smith and Gonzalez could be good pieces.

Wow. Living in the Denver area but a Sox fan and I got to say if I was a Rockies fan I would be fucking pissed for what they got. If it is true they got Street, Smith, and Gonzalez for Holiday they got screwed. The talk fpor a while here is the owners here are only interested in making money. Now I know everyone once to get paid but at least many owners at least try to win. That is not the case from everything I have seen, It is really sad because Rocky fans are very good fans and the fact they support this team year after year points to that. But, also the owners know the fans here are a little naive and no matter what fans will come out to the games with there kids since people here are really worried that the Rockies will just pick up and move. My advice to fans is grow a pair and boycott the Rockies until these owners start to build a better product.

DeToxRox · 11-10-2008, 03:11 PM

Some conflicting reports on who is in the deal. Sounds like Gonzalez and Smith are for sure, but it could be Street or Ryan Sweeney as the third piece.

lordscarlet · 11-10-2008, 03:22 PM

I fully expect all the talk of the Nationals getting a big name FA will all fall flat. Sigh.

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ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I think he was saying that he's not worth that much money. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-06-2008, 12:08 PM	#55
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Any Yanks fans? Mike Cameron/Melky Cabrera rumors? I'm torn. Cameron was lot more valuable to the Brewers than anybody gives credit. But getting CF is a black hole long term for the Crew. No, Tony Gwynn Jr. is not the answer. Question is, is Melky Cabrera basically Tony Gwynn Jr.?

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Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	didnt the brewers just pick up an option on Cameron?

11-06-2008, 12:32 PM	#58
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Melky's pretty shitty. You can find a comparable defender who can actually hit. I wouldn't consider your CF position no longer a "black hole" if it's filled by him.

11-07-2008, 08:51 AM	#61
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	When does open season on fa's start.

11-07-2008, 10:01 AM	#62
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Expanding on yesterday's Mike Cameron to the Yankees rumors, by last night I was hearing Ian Kennedy's name and I wondered if Brian Cashman had gone completely nuts. Apparently not. I'm pretty sure it didn't come from the Milwaukee papers but whoever started that rumor is pretty dumb. Milwaukee will wait to see what Sabathia does before they do anything with Cameron.

11-07-2008, 10:16 AM	#65
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3686992 Interesting stuff. Two guys from India get a tryout in front of major league scouts. Baseball would be well served to try and expand interest in China and India and Asia as a whole. Japan, Korea, and Taiwan have already produced big leaguers and I'm all for continuing to mine for talent in places you wouldn't think had any.

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lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	That's why my baseball career never progressed. I had the white part down, but I didn't have the hustling part down.

11-09-2008, 06:03 PM	#76
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Apparently the Nats are going to offer Tex his 10 years, 200 mil to bring him home. That is quite an interesting development if it winds up being true.

11-09-2008, 07:31 PM	#78
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I've always know him him as Tex, was that not an acceptable nickname?

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DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	2:00pm: Ken Rosenthal chimes in. The deal may not be finalized for about 48 hours. Players discussed over the weekend: Carlos Gonzalez, Huston Street, and Smith. Smith being P Greg Smith.

11-10-2008, 02:18 PM	#88
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	No major surprise. Geo Soto wins NL ROY. Evan Longoria wins the AL.

11-10-2008, 02:33 PM	#89
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Ever since reading Moneyball, when I hear trades or trade rumours involving the As I think that Billy Beane somehow conned the other team into a bad trade.

11-10-2008, 02:34 PM	#90
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Looks like Smith, Street and Gonzalez will head to Colorado in exchange for Holliday. I like the move for the A's. I am not sold on Street, but Smith and Gonzalez could be good pieces.

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Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	The Padres have said Peavy will likely be traded soon, to either the Braves, Cubs, or Dodgers. Even with Peavy the Braves still need some help, they have to do something about the outfield especially.

11-10-2008, 02:54 PM	#92
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Why trade Peavy??

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Fighter of Foo College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, MA	There's no need to win the division. Just win 95 games. If the Angels decide to keep Tex and KRod so be it.

11-10-2008, 03:11 PM	#99
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Some conflicting reports on who is in the deal. Sounds like Gonzalez and Smith are for sure, but it could be Street or Ryan Sweeney as the third piece.

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