2009 FOFC Hardcore League - Page 10

Travis · 03-04-2009, 09:41 PM

I'd be good with that SI.

samifan24 · 03-04-2009, 09:42 PM

I vote to keep the rules as they are now. Everyone knew the rules going into the draft and we all knew how much time we had until Opening Day. I don't see any reason to change them mid-draft.

cubboyroy1826 · 03-04-2009, 09:44 PM

I am for the 6 hour clock with no morning provision.

sterlingice · 03-04-2009, 09:47 PM

Autopick (Toddzilla)

10.3 RF Hunter Pence, Hou

At least the good news is that he could run an OF of Either in LF, Rios in CF, and Pence in RF and it's not an extra player who can't be a starter

Travis, MizzouRah, Ramzavail, myself due up

SI

samifan24 · 03-04-2009, 09:49 PM

Pence is a good value/upside pick here anyway.

Travis · 03-04-2009, 09:51 PM

10.4 Joba Chamberlain SP/RP

sterlingice · 03-04-2009, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samifan24

Pence is a good value/upside pick here anyway.

Frankly, most of the guys at the top of the list who have been passed up are bargains now: Atkins, Zimmerman, Bruce- all good value picks

SI

samifan24 · 03-04-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Frankly, most of the guys at the top of the list who have been passed up are bargains now: Atkins, Zimmerman, Bruce- all good value picks

Yeah, I agree, I was just trying to point out that it's not like his pick being autodrafted screwed his team over.

samifan24 · 03-04-2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis

10.4 Joba Chamberlain SP/RP

He can dominate but how many innings will he throw this year?

Travis · 03-04-2009, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samifan24

He can dominate but how many innings will he throw this year?

Assuming he doesn't go down to injury I'm reading 160-180, but worst case is that I should be able to round out the rest of my staff by the time he hits that limit. Sounds like they're going to pitch count him more so each start so that they're not without him around the end of the season so a bit less bang each week maybe, but hopefully still throwing during our playoffs at the very least.

MizzouRah · 03-04-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Be happy, Mizzou

Los Angeles Dodgers finalize deal with Manny Ramirez - ESPN

Sweet!!!

MizzouRah · 03-04-2009, 11:09 PM

10.5 Ryan Zimmerman

sterlingice · 03-04-2009, 11:22 PM

Updated Yahoo and thread thru 10.5

Ramzavail, myself, CleBrownsfan, and samifan24 due up tonight or tomorrow morning by 10am. I'm probably heading to sleep here pretty soon so I will probably hold things up later on tonight if Ramzavail picks.

Atkins is now at the top of the list.

SI

cubboyroy1826 · 03-04-2009, 11:33 PM

Keep it moving guys i will be up for another couple of hours.

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 08:46 AM

Morning bump- Ramzavail is up. He has about an hour and 15 minutes left. Atkins is tops on the list

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Toddzilla · 03-05-2009, 09:27 AM

Oops - sorry guys.

I can live with Pence.

Ramzavail · 03-05-2009, 09:29 AM

10.6 Garrett Atkins, 3b

cubboyroy1826 · 03-05-2009, 10:19 AM

Okay quick question i see there is a minimum innings pitched but there is no maximum innings pitched correct?

Also what happens if you do not reach the minimum innings pitched?

samifan24 · 03-05-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cubboyroy1826

Okay quick question i see there is a minimum innings pitched but there is no maximum innings pitched correct?

Also what happens if you do not reach the minimum innings pitched?

I believe that if you don't hit the minimum innings pitched during the week, your pitching stats don't count that week. I could be wrong, though. That's how it's worked in my past leagues, though.

PackerFanatic · 03-05-2009, 10:24 AM

You are correct - if you don't hit the minimum, you get nothing for pitching stats that week. It really shouldn't be that hard to hit.

PackerFanatic · 03-05-2009, 10:24 AM

It is just a good way to avoid people from starting a couple of guys that have really good starts/games, and then benching their pitchers the rest of the week.

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubboyroy1826

Okay quick question i see there is a minimum innings pitched but there is no maximum innings pitched correct?

Also what happens if you do not reach the minimum innings pitched?

No maximum innings pitched. But remember there are weekly not daily changes so it's not like you can just cycle in every pitcher pitching that week to win the counting stats (IP, W, K; also SV but those are different pitchers) and there is a negative counting stat (L) to counteract something like that. You could load up with all 2 start pitchers for the week but you'll kill your rate stats (ERA, WHIP) because you're going to be starting some crappy pitchers.

If you don't reach your minimum, your opponent gets all the points in pitching stats for the week.

Realistically, if you run out 7 SPs (6 SPs, P slot), you should have no trouble at all getting to this. If you average 6 IPs from all of your guys, that gets you to 42. Realistically, you should get 1 or 2 2-start pitchers per week (7 days per week, 1 start every 5 days). On average, you should get 6 IPs from these starters with 9 starts and another ~6 IPs from your RPs for a total of 60 IPs so even with an injury, you should be just fine.

The IP limit is there to prevent the old LIMA strategy and give some depth to pitching where you need a lot of SPs to go along with a lot of position players to balance things out.

SI

cubboyroy1826 · 03-05-2009, 10:33 AM

Makes sense. Now why would a league have a maximum like 232 games started or 29 games started per pitching slot?

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

It is just a good way to avoid people from starting a couple of guys that have really good starts/games, and then benching their pitchers the rest of the week.

I know I just addressed this in the past post, but speaking just to this question:
1) 42 IP per week limits
2) (more importantly) Weekly changes- you set your lineup on Sunday and it's set for the week

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sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 10:35 AM

10.7 SP Aaron Harang, Cin

Sure, it's a launching pad but he's been good there in the past and fangraphs had a great article about how, surprise, Dusty screwed him up for about a third of the season last year with a stupid long outing in an extra inning game (tho I suppose he could do it again...)

SI

PackerFanatic · 03-05-2009, 10:36 AM

Wait - so we can't set our lineups daily? I must have missed that...

PackerFanatic · 03-05-2009, 10:37 AM

Sure enough. Huh - well that is a neat wrinkle, I've never done it that way.

PackerFanatic · 03-05-2009, 10:38 AM

I assume then that transactions work like they do in fantasy football - you pick up a new guy on Tuesday, you don't get to use him until the next week (while they guy you dropped isn't dropped until then too)

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubboyroy1826

Makes sense. Now why would a league have a maximum like 232 games started or 29 games started per pitching slot?

That's going to be for roto, or especially point based systems, and not H2H. For roto, it keeps people from loading up and trying to hit really hard on the counting stats. For points leagues, almost all starts will end up being positive in points unless you get completely bombed. So if you just started 5 guys every day, you'd get a ton of points as every start would be positive as 5 #5 guys could equal the output of a #1 but for fantasy, a #1 pitcher should be valuable where a #5 should be a detriment.

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cubboyroy1826 · 03-05-2009, 10:41 AM

Ah okay cool. I am in another league that is roto (not new for me) and is having an auction (a first for me) so i am trying to understand the rules better for the auction.

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I assume then that transactions work like they do in fantasy football - you pick up a new guy on Tuesday, you don't get to use him until the next week (while they guy you dropped isn't dropped until then too)

It's pretty much like that. Say, Stud McProspect gets called up Wednesday and you get him off the ww, he can't play until the next week, which starts Monday.

SI

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubboyroy1826

Ah okay cool. I am in another league that is roto (not new for me) and is having an auction (a first for me) so i am trying to understand the rules better for the auction.

I've never done auction leagues. I'm very curious to the mentality of it since it's not about which order you pick players, but I would think there would be some strategy as to the order in which players were brought up to be bid on.

SI

samifan24 · 03-05-2009, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Sure enough. Huh - well that is a neat wrinkle, I've never done it that way.

Funny, I've always done it that way.

PackerFanatic · 03-05-2009, 10:51 AM

The three leagues I have been in always did daily. Granted, one of them was a Yahoo Public league with idiots for owners, but still.

samifan24 · 03-05-2009, 10:53 AM

I have a feeling I will be very disappointed with the next pick.

cubboyroy1826 · 03-05-2009, 10:55 AM

After reading Fantasyland again i am very excited about the auction. I am trying to lay the groundwork for an auction with local owners that is held at my house. I really like the idea of my first auction being online but i think a live auction just ad another level. There is a lot of strategy regarding who you ther when it is your turn to nominate a player.

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 11:18 AM

Thread and Yahoo updated thru 10.7

CleBrownsfan, samifan24, and cubboyroy1826 due up

SI

PackerFanatic · 03-05-2009, 11:23 AM

How does that normally work, cubboy? There is a draft list and when you are up, you select a player to be put on the block, then everyone bids? I have never done an auction in any sport, but always thought it would be fun.

CleBrownsfan · 03-05-2009, 11:24 AM

10.8 Johnny Damon LF

DeToxRox · 03-05-2009, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

How does that normally work, cubboy? There is a draft list and when you are up, you select a player to be put on the block, then everyone bids? I have never done an auction in any sport, but always thought it would be fun.

Yep. Whoever is up throws a name out there and people bid. I've done them for football. Not nearly as time consuming as I imagine baseball would be, but it's fun and interesting to see peoples strategy.

I remember the first one I did in 2004 (I think it was) some guys first two bids were LT and Shaun Alexander. He spent all his money on them and filled his team with 1 dollar players.

Needless to say he did not win.

cubboyroy1826 · 03-05-2009, 11:32 AM

As Detox said you take turns nominating a player and then everyone bids on them. It can get pretty crazy early as the top guys will go for big money and in the middle of the auction is when some bargains come along. If you go to ESPN you actually participate in some mock drafts to get a feel for what the auction will be like as well as what players are going for. There are a couple different schools of thought about nominating and how it differs from h2h. The LIMA drafting plan was one strategy that worked early on but now i think everyone knows about it so some of the best LIMA players get bid up. I have spent the last three weeks reading everything i can to get ready for the draft. My wife really thinks i am nuts but is very supportive of my addiction.

samifan24 · 03-05-2009, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

10.8 Johnny Damon LF

Nevermind, I'm not disappointed.

cubboyroy1826 · 03-05-2009, 11:55 AM

Okay so make your pick...lol.

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 12:22 PM

Maybe he forgot

SI

cubboyroy1826 · 03-05-2009, 01:08 PM

Okay next pick.

samifan24 · 03-05-2009, 01:49 PM

10.9 Jhonny Peralta SS

Sorry for the delay, I had something come up and it couldn't wait.

cubboyroy1826 · 03-05-2009, 01:54 PM

10.10 Jay Bruce lf/cf/rf

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 02:00 PM

Woo! The misspelled "Jhonny"

SI

sterlingice · 03-05-2009, 02:07 PM

Yahoo and thread updated thru 10.10

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding and PackerFanatic due up to end round 10 then PF and LWSFS to start round 11.

FYI: Chone Figgins and Vernon Wells are the next two on the list. Figgins, not a bad player to get autopicked. Wells- he's out a month or two, isn't he?

SI

PackerFanatic · 03-05-2009, 03:10 PM

Waiting for LWSFS - if he doesn't get a pick in by 3.30pm, I will submit a list for my two picks.

03-04-2009, 09:41 PM	#451
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	I'd be good with that SI. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

03-04-2009, 09:42 PM	#452
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	I vote to keep the rules as they are now. Everyone knew the rules going into the draft and we all knew how much time we had until Opening Day. I don't see any reason to change them mid-draft. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

03-04-2009, 09:47 PM	#454
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Autopick (Toddzilla) 10.3 RF Hunter Pence, Hou At least the good news is that he could run an OF of Either in LF, Rios in CF, and Pence in RF and it's not an extra player who can't be a starter Travis, MizzouRah, Ramzavail, myself due up SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-04-2009, 09:49 PM	#455
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Pence is a good value/upside pick here anyway. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

03-04-2009, 09:51 PM	#456
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	10.4 Joba Chamberlain SP/RP __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

03-04-2009, 09:44 PM	#453
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	I am for the 6 hour clock with no morning provision.

03-04-2009, 11:09 PM	#462
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	10.5 Ryan Zimmerman

03-04-2009, 11:22 PM	#463
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Updated Yahoo and thread thru 10.5 Ramzavail, myself, CleBrownsfan, and samifan24 due up tonight or tomorrow morning by 10am. I'm probably heading to sleep here pretty soon so I will probably hold things up later on tonight if Ramzavail picks. Atkins is now at the top of the list. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 03-04-2009 at 11:23 PM.

03-04-2009, 11:33 PM	#464
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	Keep it moving guys i will be up for another couple of hours.

03-05-2009, 08:46 AM	#465
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Morning bump- Ramzavail is up. He has about an hour and 15 minutes left. Atkins is tops on the list SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-05-2009, 09:27 AM	#466
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Oops - sorry guys. I can live with Pence.

03-05-2009, 09:29 AM	#467
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	10.6 Garrett Atkins, 3b

03-05-2009, 10:19 AM	#468
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	Okay quick question i see there is a minimum innings pitched but there is no maximum innings pitched correct? Also what happens if you do not reach the minimum innings pitched? Last edited by cubboyroy1826 : 03-05-2009 at 10:19 AM.

03-05-2009, 10:24 AM	#470
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	You are correct - if you don't hit the minimum, you get nothing for pitching stats that week. It really shouldn't be that hard to hit. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

03-05-2009, 10:24 AM	#471
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	It is just a good way to avoid people from starting a couple of guys that have really good starts/games, and then benching their pitchers the rest of the week. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

03-05-2009, 10:33 AM	#473
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	Makes sense. Now why would a league have a maximum like 232 games started or 29 games started per pitching slot?

03-05-2009, 10:35 AM	#475
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	10.7 SP Aaron Harang, Cin Sure, it's a launching pad but he's been good there in the past and fangraphs had a great article about how, surprise, Dusty screwed him up for about a third of the season last year with a stupid long outing in an extra inning game (tho I suppose he could do it again...) SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-05-2009, 10:36 AM	#476
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Wait - so we can't set our lineups daily? I must have missed that... __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

03-05-2009, 10:37 AM	#477
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Sure enough. Huh - well that is a neat wrinkle, I've never done it that way. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

03-05-2009, 10:38 AM	#478
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I assume then that transactions work like they do in fantasy football - you pick up a new guy on Tuesday, you don't get to use him until the next week (while they guy you dropped isn't dropped until then too) __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

03-05-2009, 10:41 AM	#480
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	Ah okay cool. I am in another league that is roto (not new for me) and is having an auction (a first for me) so i am trying to understand the rules better for the auction.

03-05-2009, 10:51 AM	#484
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	The three leagues I have been in always did daily. Granted, one of them was a Yahoo Public league with idiots for owners, but still. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

03-05-2009, 10:53 AM	#485
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	I have a feeling I will be very disappointed with the next pick. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

03-05-2009, 10:55 AM	#486
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	After reading Fantasyland again i am very excited about the auction. I am trying to lay the groundwork for an auction with local owners that is held at my house. I really like the idea of my first auction being online but i think a live auction just ad another level. There is a lot of strategy regarding who you ther when it is your turn to nominate a player.

03-05-2009, 11:18 AM	#487
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Thread and Yahoo updated thru 10.7 CleBrownsfan, samifan24, and cubboyroy1826 due up SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-05-2009, 11:23 AM	#488
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	How does that normally work, cubboy? There is a draft list and when you are up, you select a player to be put on the block, then everyone bids? I have never done an auction in any sport, but always thought it would be fun. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

03-05-2009, 11:24 AM	#489
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	10.8 Johnny Damon LF __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

03-05-2009, 11:32 AM	#491
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	As Detox said you take turns nominating a player and then everyone bids on them. It can get pretty crazy early as the top guys will go for big money and in the middle of the auction is when some bargains come along. If you go to ESPN you actually participate in some mock drafts to get a feel for what the auction will be like as well as what players are going for. There are a couple different schools of thought about nominating and how it differs from h2h. The LIMA drafting plan was one strategy that worked early on but now i think everyone knows about it so some of the best LIMA players get bid up. I have spent the last three weeks reading everything i can to get ready for the draft. My wife really thinks i am nuts but is very supportive of my addiction.

03-05-2009, 11:55 AM	#493
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	Okay so make your pick...lol.

03-05-2009, 12:22 PM	#494
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Maybe he forgot SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-05-2009, 01:08 PM	#495
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	Okay next pick.

03-05-2009, 01:49 PM	#496
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	10.9 Jhonny Peralta SS Sorry for the delay, I had something come up and it couldn't wait. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

03-05-2009, 01:54 PM	#497
cubboyroy1826 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2002	10.10 Jay Bruce lf/cf/rf

03-05-2009, 02:00 PM	#498
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Woo! The misspelled "Jhonny" SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-05-2009, 02:07 PM	#499
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yahoo and thread updated thru 10.10 LastWhiteSoxFanStanding and PackerFanatic due up to end round 10 then PF and LWSFS to start round 11. FYI: Chone Figgins and Vernon Wells are the next two on the list. Figgins, not a bad player to get autopicked. Wells- he's out a month or two, isn't he? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 03-05-2009 at 02:19 PM.