Historical Nation Draft - Page 3

lordscarlet · 05-12-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i have no idea what i'm going to pick yet. i haven't even started to think about making a list of my top overall, let alone by category - i just said i was in earlier today...didn't know that we were going to get things going in the middle of the day

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ok - i just sent my top-pick to larry (well top pick and then a backup). if they're BOTH gone then you'll just have to wait

I wouldn't worry too much about it -- this thing rolled really fast. Besides, people get upset with 3 or 4 hour waits, not 2.

Lathum · 05-12-2009, 04:39 PM

Had Adam Smith on my short list, would have taken him for sure had he fell.

Lathum · 05-12-2009, 04:39 PM

dola- Red Baron as well

Barkeep49 · 05-12-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

And everyone's economic pick vanishes.

Thanks. I have to say I felt strongly about this pick because
A. I think he's a clear #1 in his field and am not concerned about finding either a military or political leader (especially political), which is what the early picks were.
B. By picking him I also knock-out one of the next best alternatives, Keynes. Since I'm safe with my economist pick, I'm going to say that I think the no duplicate country rule is going to lead to some people having some might weak economists.

Barkeep49 · 05-12-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

1.7 - Jesus Christ - Religious Leader - Israel - Pre-20th

This is an absolutely wonderful pick. I can't believe he made it to 1.7. Great job CW. Again a clear #1 in his field.

Noop · 05-12-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Thanks. I have to say I felt strongly about this pick because
A. I think he's a clear #1 in his field and am not concerned about finding either a military or political leader (especially political), which is what the early picks were.
B. By picking him I also knock-out one of the next best alternatives, Keynes. Since I'm safe with my economist pick, I'm going to say that I think the no duplicate country rule is going to lead to some people having some might weak economists.

I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?

I beleive it is one country per category. I choose Greece for Alexander ot block Leonidas as a military leader later as a pick, for example. But other Greeks could be chosen easily

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

This is an absolutely wonderful pick. I can't believe he made it to 1.7. Great job CW. Again a clear #1 in his field.

This is a controversial pick. I actually believe Jesus is the Son of God, so I would not have picked him. You can compare the value of One person to Another in society, but it is sort of unfair to judge Julius Caesar or Adam Smith to the actual Son of God.

larrymcg421 · 05-12-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?

You can pick anyone from Israel in any category but religious leader.

Barkeep49 · 05-12-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

You can pick anyone from Israel in any category but religious leader.

Right. I was just noting that John Meynard Keynes is a strong economist pick, but is off the board as he, like Smith, is British.

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 05:09 PM

The problem with these drafts is that once you get out of the first round, perhaps first two rounds, you never know if the picks you think are the top on the board will go early, middle or late.

Lathum · 05-12-2009, 05:13 PM

I guess DT couldn't be bothered to send a list

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 05:15 PM

I haven't, but I check in every 20 mins to hour

larrymcg421 · 05-12-2009, 05:15 PM

He sent one. Checking it now.

larrymcg421 · 05-12-2009, 05:16 PM

DT picks:

1.8 - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, Post-20th Century

Noop · 05-12-2009, 05:17 PM

Well I wish I had known(read) that earlier because it certainly would have changed my pick.

Restrictions on picks-

1) A country may only be used once per category.
2) Half of a participants picks must be pre-20th century, and the other half post-20th century.

That seems a little vague to me.

sabotai · 05-12-2009, 05:28 PM

Technically, Israel shouldn't be eliminated (It didn't exist when Jesus lived).

larrymcg421 · 05-12-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Technically, Israel shouldn't be eliminated (It didn't exist when Jesus lived).

Right, but we already clarified that. We're going by modern countries, even if it didn't exist at the time the person was alive.

Sorry about the confusion, Noop.

Izulde · 05-12-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

DT picks:

1.8 - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, Post-20th Century

I didn't understand that only one country per category rule applied across the board. That makes this pick even better, because it takes out the whole black American and women's civil rights movement out in one go.

Lathum · 05-12-2009, 05:44 PM

wish he hadn't, wanted that one

ntndeacon · 05-12-2009, 05:46 PM

1.9 Horatio Nelson-Navy Chief, Great Britain-pre 20th century

Izulde · 05-12-2009, 05:54 PM

Grrr! I hate you ntn. That was my second round pick.

ntndeacon · 05-12-2009, 05:57 PM

maybe i can steal your new 2nd round pick as well.

sabotai · 05-12-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Right, but we already clarified that. We're going by modern countries, even if it didn't exist at the time the person was alive.

Sorry, missed that.

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 06:04 PM

The draft is falling largely how I expect so far. Except for Saudi Arabia's oilfields and Adam Smith this early.

Groundhog · 05-12-2009, 06:23 PM

I'm personally very surprised that the Army Chief I'd consider far and away the #1 is still yet to be nabbed after two selections in that category.

Galaril · 05-12-2009, 06:27 PM

Who is on the clock? Danny?

DaddyTorgo · 05-12-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

I didn't understand that only one country per category rule applied across the board. That makes this pick even better, because it takes out the whole black American and women's civil rights movement out in one go.

exactly my plan!

hehehe

Izulde · 05-12-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Who is on the clock? Danny?

Yep.

Izulde · 05-12-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

exactly my plan!

hehehe

And you're a right evil bastard for it too. :P

Galaril · 05-12-2009, 06:43 PM

BTW How many rounds is this and what happens once we have made all of our selections? I have not done a draft event here until now.

larrymcg421 · 05-12-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

BTW How many rounds is this and what happens once we have made all of our selections? I have not done a draft event here until now.

It is 14 rounds. Once we're finished, we open a thread for voting and people vote for the winners.

Galaril · 05-12-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

It is 14 rounds. Once we're finished, we open a thread for voting and people vote for the winners.

Thanks.

larrymcg421 · 05-12-2009, 07:00 PM

A few notes:

1) I notice I've been saying post-20th century, which is pretty stupid. I clarified it in the original post, but it looks like people already figured out what I meant anyways.

2) Be careful about announcing picks that you think are eliminated. While I'm sure no one is going to select Keynes as an athlete, there are others that could possibly fit multiple categories.

3) As I noted to DT earlier, the person does not have to have actually performed this duty at any point in history to be selected. It's up to you to make your case to the voters as to why someone would be good.

Coffee Warlord · 05-12-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

This is a controversial pick. I actually believe Jesus is the Son of God, so I would not have picked him. You can compare the value of One person to Another in society, but it is sort of unfair to judge Julius Caesar or Adam Smith to the actual Son of God.

Not to get into a tangent religious discussion, but I picked him solely on his historical existence & signifigance, not the man that Christianity believes him to be (son of god, etc etc). All faith-based arguments aside, he was quite possibly the most influential religious leader ... ever, such that one of the most widely known and practiced religions in history was formed around him.

I knew it was possibly going to be controversial, but anything touching on religious beliefs is going to be.

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 07:50 PM

Someone was going to pick him, and they were going to pick him early, and he will ring-ding-ding the voters and it's a great pick from every angle, no question. I just can't get past the fact that in a draft of humans, someone picks aspect of God, you know what I'm saying?

Greyroofoo · 05-12-2009, 07:53 PM

I thought it was a point of emphasis in Christianity that Jesus was human.

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

I thought it was a point of emphasis in Christianity that Jesus was human.

It is also a point of emphasis that Jesus is one of three aspects of God called the Trinity. God made flesh.

Coffee Warlord · 05-12-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Someone was going to pick him, and they were going to pick him early, and he will ring-ding-ding the voters and it's a great pick from every angle, no question. I just can't get past the fact that in a draft of humans, someone picks aspect of God, you know what I'm saying?

From your point of view, sure. We don't share the same beliefs, so we're coming from two quite different points of view, but whaddya gonna do. But, that said, I'm picking the historical, quite human figure, not the divine figure. I understand for many its hard to seperate the two, but again, and you said it...somebody was gonna pick him.

Coffee Warlord · 05-12-2009, 07:56 PM

And I hereby am going to avoid yapping about this one much further in here, to avoid threadjacking the draft.

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 07:59 PM

Heh. We should talk more about the Oil Fields pick.

Coffee Warlord · 05-12-2009, 08:00 PM

It was BAD! BAD BAD BAD!

Honestly, thus far, the Oil Fields is my mega bust, and Sun Tzu, believe it or not, is my second bust. The Oil coulda been had ages later in the draft, and while Sun Tzu is the man, I think there were better picks available.

Barkeep49 · 05-12-2009, 08:07 PM

I had the Nelson pick #1. I agree that MLK, knocking off the whole American Civil Rights movement, is a great pick both in its own terms and for its strategic assets.

Barkeep49 · 05-12-2009, 08:07 PM

Nelson was #1 in Navy, to clarify.

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 08:08 PM

I'm not sure how we are going to interpret geographical feature. Something pretty? Or something highly useful?

Abe Sargent · 05-12-2009, 08:09 PM

I don;t even know myself

Apathetic Lurker · 05-12-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

It was BAD! BAD BAD BAD!

Honestly, thus far, the Oil Fields is my mega bust, and Sun Tzu, believe it or not, is my second bust. The Oil coulda been had ages later in the draft, and while Sun Tzu is the man, I think there were better picks available.

I prefer to thump my enemies.. None of that mamby-pamby touchy feely PC poop for me... Dead enemies dont rise up twice..Unless we are dealing with "The" zombie Apocalypse.. But thats another draft

Danny · 05-12-2009, 08:16 PM

I'm here, will research and get a pick in as quick as I can.

Danny · 05-12-2009, 08:16 PM

Out of curiosity though, can the person picking PM the person who is up next?

DaddyTorgo · 05-12-2009, 08:19 PM

i like that...i find it handy (the PM thing)

05-12-2009, 05:09 PM	#111
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05-12-2009, 05:15 PM	#113
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05-12-2009, 05:15 PM	#114
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05-12-2009, 05:16 PM	#115
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	DT picks: 1.8 - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, Post-20th Century __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

05-12-2009, 05:17 PM	#116
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Well I wish I had known(read) that earlier because it certainly would have changed my pick. Restrictions on picks- 1) A country may only be used once per category. 2) Half of a participants picks must be pre-20th century, and the other half post-20th century. That seems a little vague to me. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

05-12-2009, 04:39 PM	#102
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Had Adam Smith on my short list, would have taken him for sure had he fell.

05-12-2009, 04:39 PM	#103
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- Red Baron as well

05-12-2009, 05:13 PM	#112
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I guess DT couldn't be bothered to send a list

05-12-2009, 05:28 PM	#117
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Technically, Israel shouldn't be eliminated (It didn't exist when Jesus lived). Last edited by sabotai : 05-12-2009 at 05:30 PM.

05-12-2009, 05:44 PM	#120
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	wish he hadn't, wanted that one

05-12-2009, 05:46 PM	#121
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	1.9 Horatio Nelson-Navy Chief, Great Britain-pre 20th century

05-12-2009, 05:54 PM	#122
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Grrr! I hate you ntn. That was my second round pick. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

05-12-2009, 05:57 PM	#123
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	maybe i can steal your new 2nd round pick as well.

05-12-2009, 06:04 PM	#125
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	The draft is falling largely how I expect so far. Except for Saudi Arabia's oilfields and Adam Smith this early. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-12-2009, 06:23 PM	#126
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I'm personally very surprised that the Army Chief I'd consider far and away the #1 is still yet to be nabbed after two selections in that category. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-12-2009, 06:27 PM	#127
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Who is on the clock? Danny?

05-12-2009, 06:43 PM	#131
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	BTW How many rounds is this and what happens once we have made all of our selections? I have not done a draft event here until now.

05-12-2009, 07:00 PM	#134
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	A few notes: 1) I notice I've been saying post-20th century, which is pretty stupid. I clarified it in the original post, but it looks like people already figured out what I meant anyways. 2) Be careful about announcing picks that you think are eliminated. While I'm sure no one is going to select Keynes as an athlete, there are others that could possibly fit multiple categories. 3) As I noted to DT earlier, the person does not have to have actually performed this duty at any point in history to be selected. It's up to you to make your case to the voters as to why someone would be good. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

05-12-2009, 07:50 PM	#136
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Someone was going to pick him, and they were going to pick him early, and he will ring-ding-ding the voters and it's a great pick from every angle, no question. I just can't get past the fact that in a draft of humans, someone picks aspect of God, you know what I'm saying? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-12-2009, 07:53 PM	#137
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	I thought it was a point of emphasis in Christianity that Jesus was human.

05-12-2009, 07:56 PM	#140
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	And I hereby am going to avoid yapping about this one much further in here, to avoid threadjacking the draft. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 05-12-2009 at 07:56 PM.

05-12-2009, 07:59 PM	#141
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Heh. We should talk more about the Oil Fields pick. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-12-2009, 08:00 PM	#142
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	It was BAD! BAD BAD BAD! Honestly, thus far, the Oil Fields is my mega bust, and Sun Tzu, believe it or not, is my second bust. The Oil coulda been had ages later in the draft, and while Sun Tzu is the man, I think there were better picks available. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 05-12-2009 at 08:01 PM.

05-12-2009, 08:07 PM	#143
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I had the Nelson pick #1. I agree that MLK, knocking off the whole American Civil Rights movement, is a great pick both in its own terms and for its strategic assets.

05-12-2009, 08:07 PM	#144
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Nelson was #1 in Navy, to clarify.

05-12-2009, 08:08 PM	#145
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I'm not sure how we are going to interpret geographical feature. Something pretty? Or something highly useful? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-12-2009, 08:09 PM	#146
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05-12-2009, 08:16 PM	#148
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm here, will research and get a pick in as quick as I can.

05-12-2009, 08:16 PM	#149
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Out of curiosity though, can the person picking PM the person who is up next?

05-12-2009, 08:19 PM	#150
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