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Old 03-23-2014, 03:56 PM   #201
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What about in a few years when they have to re-sign Hosmer, Perez, and a few others of their super talented young team? Are you willing to go all in on a pitcher and run the risk of losing some of them players?

You're not going to be able to sign all those guys anyway. Going to have to sacrifice some offense at some point. Outside of a legitimate 40-50 homer signing, there's not much more that the Royals can add to improve their offense. I'd take a 25M pitcher over a 25M slugger any day.
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Old 03-23-2014, 05:50 PM   #202
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You're not going to be able to sign all those guys anyway. Going to have to sacrifice some offense at some point. Outside of a legitimate 40-50 homer signing, there's not much more that the Royals can add to improve their offense. I'd take a 25M pitcher over a 25M slugger any day.

And that's why you're the Royals.
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Old 03-23-2014, 06:01 PM   #203
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And that's why you're the Royals.

I don't think MBBF speaks for all Royals fans any more than he does with all things Mizzou or Sony

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Old 03-23-2014, 06:06 PM   #204
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After being pretty solid over the past few seasons, it looks like pitching is going to be a big question mark for the Rangers going into the season. After Yu Darvish, there are no sure things. A lot of it is going to depend on how well several pitchers come back from injuries.
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Old 03-23-2014, 06:21 PM   #205
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Do you trust GMDM to act more rationally than MBBF is advocating, however?
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Old 03-23-2014, 06:25 PM   #206
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Do you trust GMDM to act more rationally than MBBF is advocating, however?

There's no way in hell GMDM signs a $25M pitcher. No way. SI knows that.
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Old 03-23-2014, 06:31 PM   #207
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I do not trust GMDM to act rationally. I also do not expect him to sign a pitcher for $25M a year. Both of you are right!

(But I would sign a hitter for $25M per before I would sign a pitcher for that)

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Old 03-23-2014, 07:29 PM   #208
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Old 03-23-2014, 07:49 PM   #209
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I do not trust GMDM to act rationally. I also do not expect him to sign a pitcher for $25M a year. Both of you are right!

(But I would sign a hitter for $25M per before I would sign a pitcher for that)

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Likewise, although my team's current finances are such that that is not necessarily an either/or proposition, I admit. To be honest, I don't think GMDM is going to spend $25 million on any single player, but I do suspect he'd be more likely to spend it on a pitcher than on a hitter, if that fit of irrationality seized him.

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Old 03-23-2014, 08:28 PM   #210
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Dayton Moore would much rather spend it on 25x $1M players than 1x $25M player, even if he had the money

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Old 03-23-2014, 08:30 PM   #211
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Why would I want to spend 25m on one player? I can get 3 Jared Guthrie's for that.

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Old 03-23-2014, 08:32 PM   #212
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Why would I want to spend 25m on one player? I can get 3 Jared Guthrie's for that.

Or a Guthrie, a Vargas, a Wade Davis, and a Luke Hochevar! Hm... I wonder why our starting pitching is a bit light...

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Old 03-24-2014, 01:52 PM   #213
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Teheran / Wood / Hale / Schlosser is a rotation likely to strike more fear in the hearts of Braves fans than of opposing batters.

Santana will, of course, be along whenever he's ready. Other than that the help has to come from Mike Minor & Gavin Floyd who are both still recovering from injuries of their own.

Feels like a lost season in Atlanta before it even begins.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:01 PM   #214
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Ouch. Geovany Soto and Jurickson Profar are both out for the Rangers for 10-12 weeks.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:04 PM   #215
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Teheran / Wood / Hale / Schlosser is a rotation likely to strike more fear in the hearts of Braves fans than of opposing batters.

Santana will, of course, be along whenever he's ready. Other than that the help has to come from Mike Minor & Gavin Floyd who are both still recovering from injuries of their own.

Feels like a lost season in Atlanta before it even begins.

As a Reds fan, I understand. With twenty million in relievers on the DL, the #1 and #2 starters having injury questions and nothing being done to replace the team's second best hitter, I have little excitement.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:08 PM   #216
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As a Reds fan, I understand. With twenty million in relievers on the DL, the #1 and #2 starters having injury questions and nothing being done to replace the team's second best hitter, I have little excitement.

At least you don't have to watch Uggla (try to) hit.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:13 PM   #217
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Oh you have it all wrong about Boras, Stephen Drew is just biding his time. Boras says has 3/$39 on the table.

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Old 03-24-2014, 02:24 PM   #218
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At least you don't have to watch Uggla (try to) hit.

No, we have a Ludwick for that.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:41 PM   #219
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:50 PM   #220
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So... who's supposedly giving that offer for Drew now?
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:57 PM   #221
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So... who's supposedly giving that offer for Drew now?

It's a "mystery team".
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:03 PM   #222
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Maybe the Rangers, now that Profar is out for 2.5 to 3 months. But the contract announcement came out before the injury one. They do have Rougned Odor and Luis Sardinas coming up fast in the minors, but I don't think either one is ready for the Big Show.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:31 PM   #223
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Rangers already have a shortstop.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:32 PM   #224
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:43 PM   #225
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It's a "mystery team".

Dammit! I was going to make the MYSTERY TEAM joke but you already stole my thunder

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Old 03-24-2014, 03:49 PM   #226
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My guess is that Drew has a 3 year deal, but only 1 year of it is guaranteed and there are some significant deferrals. He doesn't want to sign this deal before the Regular Season starts because he doesn't want to be offered a QO again if the team decides to move on from him.
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And not for nothin, but would the Pirates stop dicking around and sign Kendrys Morales already? When the best you've got is a severe downgrade from Garrett Jones, it's time to just pay up. He's a legit bat who will make your lineup so much better.
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:10 PM   #228
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I was thinking they would put him at 2B. He expressed a willingness to do this earlier in the free agent season.
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:16 PM   #229
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And not for nothin, but would the Pirates stop dicking around and sign Kendrys Morales already? When the best you've got is a severe downgrade from Garrett Jones, it's time to just pay up. He's a legit bat who will make your lineup so much better.


They are still the same cheap assed pirates of before. There's no way they do this.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:12 PM   #230
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Can Kendrys Morales even play 1B without physically breaking down? Even if he can, he's had 1 above-average season.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:23 PM   #231
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My dream 1b scenario is that the Yankees tire of Teixeira after this season and dump him to us with half of his remaining money and then he has two monster years in PNC. He waives his NTC.
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Old 03-24-2014, 08:06 PM   #232
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Max Sherzer apparently rejected a 6 year/$144 million offer from the Tigers.

Quite the gamble...
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Old 03-24-2014, 08:24 PM   #233
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The Royals will give him more. No reason to sign yet.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:12 PM   #234
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Max Sherzer apparently rejected a 6 year/$144 million offer from the Tigers.

Quite the gamble...

Whoa. I figured it was more in the 5/$100M range. Is there something he doesn't like about pitching in Detroit? I can't think he's going to make that much more on the open market

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Old 03-24-2014, 09:22 PM   #235
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That's what, $24 million/year? Maybe it's not the money. Maybe he wants an opt-out clause similar to what Kershaw and Greinke got, and the Tigers aren't (yet) willing to include one.

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Old 03-24-2014, 09:25 PM   #236
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I guess that could be. But I think we saw this offseason that cash for flawed pitchers is not there. For instance, if he slips from 2013 Max Scherzer to 2009-2012 Max Scherzer, isn't he closer to the 4/$50M range that Garza and Jimenez got or, at best, 5/$85 for Sanchez. And that's a pretty far cry from 6/$144M.

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Old 03-24-2014, 09:31 PM   #237
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And if he blows his arm out bad enough he might never even see that money. Hope he doesn't regret it, sure he's getting some "impartial" advice from his agent
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:45 PM   #238
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I guess that could be. But I think we saw this offseason that cash for flawed pitchers is not there. For instance, if he slips from 2013 Max Scherzer to 2009-2012 Max Scherzer, isn't he closer to the 4/$50M range that Garza and Jimenez got or, at best, 5/$85 for Sanchez. And that's a pretty far cry from 6/$144M.

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I think Scherzer is facing two issues. One is, as you say, performance. If he puts up numbers similar to 2013, he then moves into issue #2: the qualifying offer.

Now, if he's 2013 Scherzer redux, there's probably a team going to be willing to sign him for the money he's looking for, especially if it's a team with a protected first.

If he's not, he's not only going to be hampered by the QO, but he's going to be looking at half the money as his ceiling.
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I think Scherzer is facing two issues. One is, as you say, performance. If he puts up numbers similar to 2013, he then moves into issue #2: the qualifying offer.

Now, if he's 2013 Scherzer redux, there's probably a team going to be willing to sign him for the money he's looking for, especially if it's a team with a protected first.

If he's not, he's not only going to be hampered by the QO, but he's going to be looking at half the money as his ceiling.

If he's the Scherzer of last year, he's going to get paid. Someone will do it. I would be shocked to see him get much more than this offer though. I know, I know, it's Boris. Still, I'd be stunned.
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Sounds like, per MLBTR, the issue was years, not dollars. Tigers offered 6, he wants 8.
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Old 03-25-2014, 01:03 AM   #241
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That seems awfully silly. $144M guaranteed is such a ridiculous sum of money to walk away from...especially given the volatility of pitchers and how recently Scherzer has become extremely good. That's risk for the agent as well as the player. Seems a little strange.
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That seems awfully silly. $144M guaranteed is such a ridiculous sum of money to walk away from...especially given the volatility of pitchers and how recently Scherzer has become extremely good. That's risk for the agent as well as the player. Seems a little strange.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. And I don't mean in the "baseball money is a lot of money to walk away from" but that "in his situation, as Max Scherzer, that's a lot of money to walk away from". I think we're going to look back at that deal next offseason and laugh or shake his head at how much he walked away from.

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I don't think Sherzer is that great or worth going for $24m. But he will b the premium arm on the market and he could end up with an offer exceeding 200M. I'd take the 144 in his situation but I get where he's coming from here. He also has made like 25M career to date including this year. Seems like you can get insurance for injury here, perhaps.
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And the Yankees still owe him $60 million after this season. At this rate, A-Rod might end up representing himself pro se when the Yankees try to get off the hook for it. For yuks (and for the benefit of the Red Sox), I still kind of hope he gets all the money and suits up for the Yankees again for many years to come.
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I'm not sure I have ever seen a man less aware of his real self and how he comes off than ARod. Has this man ever made the right decision in his life, ever? I mean, he has made the right money decisions, but has he ever made the right decision?
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And the Yankees still owe him $60 million after this season. At this rate, A-Rod might end up representing himself pro se when the Yankees try to get off the hook for it. For yuks (and for the benefit of the Red Sox), I still kind of hope he gets all the money and suits up for the Yankees again for many years to come.

I have no doubts that A-Rod is a major douche, but I read another article that said that wrangling over legal bills was common when dealing with this type of money. Think it was on Hardball Talk?
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I'm not sure I have ever seen a man less aware of his real self and how he comes off than ARod. Has this man ever made the right decision in his life, ever? I mean, he has made the right money decisions, but has he ever made the right decision?

Nope. His PR has been just terrible since he first left Seattle 15 years ago. I thought these rich guys were suppose to hire PR people to help them out? Maybe Aroid is just this stupid.
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