Werewolf LXXV - Rise of the Great Old Ones -Students Win!!!! - Page 39

Mrs. Schmidty · 06-18-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

So umm, I 'm guessing the bodyguard should protect Jets tonight?

No to that. I should be protected.

Mrs. Schmidty · 06-18-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Good call on Telle being the Bearer of the Necronomicon -- I hadn't noticed that. Maybe that role made it so that when attacked, she converted, instead of died? And now the wolves have the book? Then hopefully lynching LSG destroys it -- unless she passes it to someone else?

Who says she had it to begin with? It went from EF to....? All we know is it went to someone else - obviously another wolf, but we don't know LSG has it.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, but I think I'm going to do it, since it will help me avoid getting night-killed. See, I'm not a villager, so there's no point for the wolves to kill me, since it won't help their ratio. Also, I want the villagers to know that, too, in case it gets close -- I get a normal victory if the villagers win, so it's important that I tell you that.

I'm the Arcane Collector. For a major victory, I need to find the Necronomicon. To do that, I need to find whoever has it -- a lot like Alan hinted at. I thought he was onto me, or could help me with that, but he proved useless. Anyway, once I find it, my identity will be revealed to the group -- that's why I was asking not to be scanned. I didn't want it wasted, since I planned on clearing myself.

Why reveal today? Mrs Schmidt or Racer is the most likely night kill and barring them, why all of a sudden the concern that you'd be the one chosen tonight? I don't get that.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

Who says she had it to begin with? It went from EF to....? All we know is it went to someone else - obviously another wolf, but we don't know LSG has it.

Didn't you tell us EF took it out of her bag?

oliegirl · 06-18-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Where's olie at? She should know that I'm usually pretty forthright about this stuff, after last time.

I'm here...not willing to come out and say that I believe you, but I will say that you are usually pretty open with your role and intentions once the game gets to a certain point, which seems to be where we are now. If at all possible you will help the village (as long as your aren't a wolf). However, I'm not 100% convinced you aren't a wolf...you've fooled me before so I'm a little gunshy...

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Why reveal today? Mrs Schmidt or Racer is the most likely night kill and barring them, why all of a sudden the concern that you'd be the one chosen tonight? I don't get that.

Just in case they wanted to avoid someone who might be protected.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Didn't you tell us EF took it out of her bag?

Right, so why would you assume he gave it right back to Telle?

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

I'm here...not willing to come out and say that I believe you, but I will say that you are usually pretty open with your role and intentions once the game gets to a certain point, which seems to be where we are now. If at all possible you will help the village (as long as your aren't a wolf). However, I'm not 100% convinced you aren't a wolf...you've fooled me before so I'm a little gunshy...

There you go, people! Case closed.

Mrs. Schmidty · 06-18-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Didn't you tell us EF took it out of her bag?

I did, but I don't know who got it after that. In your post you made it sound like LSG had it for sure.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Right, so why would you assume he gave it right back to Telle?

Back the other day, I wasn't sure it can be passed. Now that we've lynched Telle and she didn't have it, I'm assuming it was.

oliegirl · 06-18-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Didn't you tell us EF took it out of her bag?

Yes, it came out of her bag and he chanted out of it, but there was no info on where it went after that. My suggestion yesterday was that it went to the last person who had it when EF died, which means it would have gone to Telle, but now that she is dead, we don't know who has it.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Just in case they wanted to avoid someone who might be protected.

And you felt it was going to be you? If you are the Arcane Collector then killing you would now make sense if the book has any additional powers since barring lynching you're the only one who could get it back.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

I did, but I don't know who got it after that. In your post you made it sound like LSG had it for sure.

Sorry, the question mark at the end of that sentence was meant to express that I didn't know, rather was speculating.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Yes, it came out of her bag and he chanted out of it, but there was no info on where it went after that. My suggestion yesterday was that it went to the last person who had it when EF died, which means it would have gone to Telle, but now that she is dead, we don't know who has it.

I think we can assume it's with one of the wolves.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

And you felt it was going to be you? If you are the Arcane Collector then killing you would now make sense if the book has any additional powers since barring lynching you're the only one who could get it back.

I actually hadn't thought of that. My main focus was on the fact that I'm not a villager, so killing me doesn't help the wolves win. I didn't realize Telle was the Bearer then, as well, so I couldn't be sure they had it and were passing it around.

oliegirl · 06-18-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think we can assume it's with one of the wolves.

Really? Wow, you must be good if you are willing to give us such in depth analysis!

The question is, how many wolves are left...and if LSG, who is presumably getting lynched tonight, doesn't have it...who does????

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think we can assume it's with one of the wolves.

Post 1780

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Problem is, the wolves might already have it, and if they do, I'm guessing things can get ugly. My hunch is that they do, based on Mrs. Schmidty's report. It could be a different book that EF and Telle were playing with, or it could be that it got passed, I'm not really sure.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I actually hadn't thought of that. My main focus was on the fact that I'm not a villager, so killing me doesn't help the wolves win. I didn't realize Telle was the Bearer then, as well, so I couldn't be sure they had it and were passing it around.

So, you didn't realize Telle was the Bearer when you revealed?

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:13 PM

The post right after the reveal. 1775

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Also, I think path was asking about this earlier, but from what I understand, if whoever has the Necronomicon is lynched, the villagers will destroy it -- I'm pretty sure that's good for the village, which is why I wanted Telle lynched last night.

You realized she was the Bearer one post after your reveal?

JetsIn06 · 06-18-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

The post right after the reveal. 1775

You realized she was the Bearer one post after your reveal?

I'm telling you this guy is full of it.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

The post right after the reveal. 1775

You realized she was the Bearer one post after your reveal?

I *thought* (or maybe, was afraid) she was the Bearer last night, and wasn't sure what she was this morning. I thought she might have had the book, but not be its Bearer.

Racer · 06-18-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

I'm telling you this guy is full of it.

Axxon or Pass?

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

I'm telling you this guy is full of it.

Well, considering that post stated a motive for an action before the reveal, yah think?

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Axxon or Pass?

I'm assuming he means me. However, my last assumption (that the book lies with the wolves) was met with ridicule (thanks, olie :P ), so take it with a grain of salt.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Well, considering that post stated a motive for an action before the reveal, yah think?

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm assuming he means me. However, my last assumption (that the book lies with the wolves) was met with ridicule (thanks, olie :P ), so take it with a grain of salt.

Sounds to me like she was ridiculing the fact that you considered it a revelation when it was clearly obvious that the book was with the wolves.

JetsIn06 · 06-18-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Axxon or Pass?

Pass

oliegirl · 06-18-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm assuming he means me. However, my last assumption (that the book lies with the wolves) was met with ridicule (thanks, olie :P ), so take it with a grain of salt.

NP Pass, anytime you need a sarcasm, just let me know.

I don't think of any us has suggested that someone other than a wolf has the book...if there has been that discussion, I totally missed it. That is why I was sarcastic, b/c you seemed to be stating what we all already believe and have discussed - that the book is with a wolf.

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Me too but I vaguely remember not being too happy with the first one so I really want to demo this one as people say it's very similar. I can't remember what I didn't like about it though.

For some reason I was thinking it was real time like the corporate machine but this one is turn based.

The first one was a little too abstract for me. There seemed to be a formula (can't remember it exactly now) that made it pretty easy.

I also wanted to be able to edit/modify issues better. If you weren't gung ho on War on Terror you weren't going anywhere.

oliegirl · 06-18-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Sounds to me like she was ridiculing the fact that you considered it a revelation when it was clearly obvious that the book was with the wolves.

What he said

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm not sure what you mean here.

In that post you said you were pushing for Telle to be lynched the night before because she had the book.

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Also, I think path was asking about this earlier, but from what I understand, if whoever has the Necronomicon is lynched, the villagers will destroy it -- I'm pretty sure that's good for the village, which is why I wanted Telle lynched last night.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Sounds to me like she was ridiculing the fact that you considered it a revelation when it was clearly obvious that the book was with the wolves.

I know -- I was just messing with her a little.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

In that post you said you were pushing for Telle to be lynched the night before because she had the book.

Yeah. What's wrong with that?

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

The first one was a little too abstract for me. There seemed to be a formula (can't remember it exactly now) that made it pretty easy.

I also wanted to be able to edit/modify issues better. If you weren't gung ho on War on Terror you weren't going anywhere.

Dude, I've been concentrating so hard on the current discussion that when I read what you wrote ( without reading what you quoted ) I was like WTF???

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

After CR, Axxon and Path are kind of on my radar. I don't have any kind of read of Oliegirl or Jets' play this game.

I'm looking at CR also. But why me?

oliegirl · 06-18-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I know -- I was just messing with her a little.

It's one of Pass' favorite hobbies...harassing me and driving me nuts during WW, I thought everyone knew that

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Dude, I've been concentrating so hard on the current discussion that when I read what you wrote ( without reading what you quoted ) I was like WTF???

Oh good, I'm not the only one. I thought by 'the first one' he meant reveals, and I was all, "my reveal was not abstract!" I was about to open a can of whoop-ass on path, but it looks like he's still on my side -- his silence on the issue tells it all.

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hmmm, nm, looks like we'll get to vote out either Pass or Jets tomorrow. Any chance that the wolves accomplish some sort of victory for offing the collector and that's why they made this play?

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

ROLES

There will be the following roles (certain roles will be a variation of the traditional roles, and there may or may not be more than one of each, and I will not be revealing the specifics of each role publicly):

Just thought I'd point that out. Possible they are both Arcane Collectors.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah. What's wrong with that?

This is what's wrong with that.

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I actually hadn't thought of that. My main focus was on the fact that I'm not a villager, so killing me doesn't help the wolves win. I didn't realize Telle was the Bearer then, as well, so I couldn't be sure they had it and were passing it around.

That's way too weak considering you had been pushing for her to be lynched. You'd have at least entertained the thought so realize is a bad term to use and you say you hadn't thought about the fact that you'd be the only one who could steal the book from them because you didn't realize she was the bearer of the book?

Doesn't add up.

Racer · 06-18-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Just thought I'd point that out. Possible they are both Arcane Collectors.

That would be pretty funny if they were. However I'm guessing Pass is a wolf.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Just thought I'd point that out. Possible they are both Arcane Collectors.

I could entertain the concept but Pass' story isn't adding up.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:28 PM

Of course, it would explain why they both knew the victory conditions but since they don't exactly agree on those conditions, nope, I don't think so.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:29 PM

Did I mention I love this game.

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Dude, I've been concentrating so hard on the current discussion that when I read what you wrote ( without reading what you quoted ) I was like WTF???

Yeah, I was catching up and somehow got on that part first before going back and seeing the dueling reveals. Which really strike me as a duplicate role just from the conversation/reaction of both Pass and Jets.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

This is what's wrong with that.

That's way too weak considering you had been pushing for her to be lynched. You'd have at least entertained the thought so realize is a bad term to use and you say you hadn't thought about the fact that you'd be the only one who could steal the book from them because you didn't realize she was the bearer of the book?

Doesn't add up.

Maybe realize wasn't the best term. I had suspicions she was the Bearer yesterday, then when she was lynched, and the Necronomicon was not involved, my best guess was that it was some other book, or that it had been passed to someone else. I didn't even know if the Bearer of the Necronomicon had the Necronomicon, which I know sounds stupid in retrospect, but there it is.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Yeah, I was catching up and somehow got on that part first before going back and seeing the dueling reveals. Which really strike me as a duplicate role just from the conversation/reaction of both Pass and Jets.

So, explain why the description of the roles don't match?

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:32 PM

Axxon, can we take a step back? I feel like I'm answering your questions, but I'm not sure what it is that doesn't add up to you. Can we start from the beginning?

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

That would be pretty funny if they were. However I'm guessing Pass is a wolf.

He'd be my choice for a scan. If good, then I think the role is a dup, because otherwise what's the motive for Jets to come out a day and a half later to counter? If bad, then yay!

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:33 PM

Man, Jets is probably off being Roman, while I'm taking all the heat. It'll all pay off in the end, though.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Maybe realize wasn't the best term. I had suspicions she was the Bearer yesterday, then when she was lynched, and the Necronomicon was not involved, my best guess was that it was some other book, or that it had been passed to someone else. I didn't even know if the Bearer of the Necronomicon had the Necronomicon, which I know sounds stupid in retrospect, but there it is.

Yeah, as far as I'm concerned it sounds too stupid to be entertainable at this point but feel free to continue trying to convince the others. You're too good a player as others have pointed out. Sorry, but it doesn't add up to me. If I'm wrong, then we can move on to Jets next.

06-18-2008, 03:28 PM	#1942
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Of course, it would explain why they both knew the victory conditions but since they don't exactly agree on those conditions, nope, I don't think so. __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

06-18-2008, 03:29 PM	#1943
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Did I mention I love this game. __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

06-18-2008, 03:32 PM	#1947
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Axxon, can we take a step back? I feel like I'm answering your questions, but I'm not sure what it is that doesn't add up to you. Can we start from the beginning?

06-18-2008, 03:33 PM	#1949
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Man, Jets is probably off being Roman, while I'm taking all the heat. It'll all pay off in the end, though.

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