Werewolf LXXV - Rise of the Great Old Ones -Students Win!!!! - Page 40

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

He'd be my choice for a scan. If good, then I think the role is a dup, because otherwise what's the motive for Jets to come out a day and a half later to counter? If bad, then yay!

I'm going to tout the line I've touted all game -- don't waste a scan on me.

By the way, Jets countered a few hours later, not a day and a half.

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

So, explain why the description of the roles don't match?

Well, I'm not one to usually parse every single sentence, and not being either Pass or Jets I'm not going to be able to give a very accurate explanation.

However, that is the general vibe I'm getting. Maybe after five or six more pages of back and forth I'll change my mind!

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm going to tout the line I've touted all game -- don't waste a scan on me.

By the way, Jets countered a few hours later, not a day and a half.

Gotcha. I had pegged you as the collector based on some of your other posts so might have just assumed that had been revealed earlier than it was.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

He'd be my choice for a scan. If good, then I think the role is a dup, because otherwise what's the motive for Jets to come out a day and a half later to counter? If bad, then yay!

A day and a half? Pass revealed today in post 1774 this morning.

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Yeah, but I think I'm going to do it, since it will help me avoid getting night-killed. See, I'm not a villager, so there's no point for the wolves to kill me, since it won't help their ratio. Also, I want the villagers to know that, too, in case it gets close -- I get a normal victory if the villagers win, so it's important that I tell you that.

I'm the Arcane Collector. For a major victory, I need to find the Necronomicon. To do that, I need to find whoever has it -- a lot like Alan hinted at. I thought he was onto me, or could help me with that, but he proved useless. Anyway, once I find it, my identity will be revealed to the group -- that's why I was asking not to be scanned. I didn't want it wasted, since I planned on clearing myself.

JetsIn06 · 06-18-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Man, Jets is probably off being Roman, while I'm taking all the heat. It'll all pay off in the end, though.

HAHA.

I'm here, actually.

I'm telling you guys I am the Arcane Collector, and unless there is two of us, Pass is lying.

It would be pretty awesome if we were BOTH arcane collectors, though.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Well, I'm not one to usually parse every single sentence, and not being either Pass or Jets I'm not going to be able to give a very accurate explanation.

However, that is the general vibe I'm getting. Maybe after five or six more pages of back and forth I'll change my mind!

If there's somehow still three wolves I know where my wolfdar just pinged. This and the day and a half slip are both very odd. Also, now you had him pegged already as the Arcane Collecter?

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Gotcha. I had pegged you as the collector based on some of your other posts so might have just assumed that had been revealed earlier than it was.

Yeah, I thought I was being too obvious about it. I'm surprised to find people say my story doesn't add up. I might not have played this my best, but I'm trying over here!

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:39 PM

See above. Plus I'm distracted, slightly depressed and am waiting for OOTP to download. Which has all got me kind of cranky and not disposed to be too detail-oriented at the moment. Forgive me.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

HAHA.

I'm here, actually.

I'm telling you guys I am the Arcane Collector, and unless there is two of us, Pass is lying.

It would be pretty awesome if we were BOTH arcane collectors, though.

Why? To give the wolves an extra day while we chase our tails?

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

See above. Plus I'm distracted, slightly depressed and am waiting for OOTP to download. Which has all got me kind of cranky and not disposed to be too detail-oriented at the moment. Forgive me.

Oh, you've got a couple of days.

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Also, now you had him pegged already as the Arcane Collecter?

Yeah, I'm actually pretty good at this game.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

If there's somehow still three wolves I know where my wolfdar just pinged. This and the day and a half slip are both very odd. Also, now you had him pegged already as the Arcane Collecter?

Based on this post and some of your earlier questions of me, I think you might have missed a lot of my posts yesterday afternoon, when I was trying to get Telle lynched.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Yeah, I'm actually pretty good at this game.

Until today when you got cranky.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Based on this post and some of your earlier questions of me, I think you might have missed a lot of my posts yesterday afternoon, when I was trying to get Telle lynched.

Possibly but I didn't miss the ones I quoted today.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:42 PM

Racer, RendeR or Mrs Scmidty, did any of you have Pass pegged as the Arcane Collector?

path12 · 06-18-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Until today when you got cranky.

Heh. I got cranky yesterday too.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Possibly but I didn't miss the ones I quoted today.

Obviously not. So I wanted to get the person who I though had the best chance of having the Necronomicon lynched. How again does that not add up?

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Obviously not. So I wanted to get the person who I though had the best chance of having the Necronomicon lynched. How again does that not add up?

You didn't realize she might have the Necronomicon.

Anyway, time to let others have their say. I know where my suspicions lie and I've pretty much already laid them out.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:44 PM

Oh man, RendeR's in the thread. I already know who he's going to side with here...

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

You didn't realize she might have the Necronomicon.

Anyway, time to let others have their say. I know where my suspicions lie and I've pretty much already laid them out.

Now this is some semantics. I didn't realize she was the Bearer of the Necronomicon. You can see from my posts yesterday that I suspected she had it -- I even argued with people about that.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Now this is some semantics. I didn't realize she was the Bearer of the Necronomicon. You can see from my posts yesterday that I suspected she had it -- I even argued with people about that.

But despite that, you decided to reveal just in case your suspicion was wrong and the wolves wouldn't want to hurt you.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If Telle is the Bearer of the Necronomicon, we need to lynch her now, people. Trust me on this one.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

Here's post 1410.

JetsIn06 · 06-18-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Why? To give the wolves an extra day while we chase our tails?

I honestly have no idea. Someone (I think PurdueBrad) brought up the point a while ago that maybe the wolves have a reason to get rid of the AC, so Pass lied to bait me out.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

I honestly have no idea. Someone (I think PurdueBrad) brought up the point a while ago that maybe the wolves have a reason to get rid of the AC, so Pass lied to bait me out.

No, why would it be neat if both of you were Arcane Collectors? If you were we'd be wasting our time while the wolves got stronger.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

But despite that, you decided to reveal just in case your suspicion was wrong and the wolves wouldn't want to hurt you.

What do you mean?

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:48 PM

neat = awesome actually. I think it would suck, not be either.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Thanks for the updated vote count. Seriously, if the Necronomicon was in Telle's bag, we need to lynch her TONIGHT.

Here's post 1421.

JetsIn06 · 06-18-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

No, why would it be neat if both of you were Arcane Collectors? If you were we'd be wasting our time while the wolves got stronger.

Oh, I just mean game-wise. I think it would be a cool twist.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Thanks for making me look at post 1394 again, olie. I noticed that Mrs. Schmidty said she had ACCESS to the vault. She might not be the Bearer of the Necronomicon after all. I'd rather lynch her now just to be safe, but the fact that there's more doubt in my mind make me less frantic about it. Still, let's lynch Telle just to be safe -- again, trust me on this.

Here's post 1427 -- doesn't this exactly match what I've been saying? She might or might not be the Bearer, but she had a damn book, so I wanted to get her that night.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What do you mean?

When I asked you why you chose to reveal when the wolves would just want to off you since you could get the book from them.

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I actually hadn't thought of that. My main focus was on the fact that I'm not a villager, so killing me doesn't help the wolves win. I didn't realize Telle was the Bearer then, as well, so I couldn't be sure they had it and were passing it around.

It didn't matter the semantics about Telle, you were reasonably sure that the wolves had the book as your posts now are even more reflecting. You were sure enough to want her lynched but when you revealed you were so unsure it didn't even make you consider the wisdom of revealing and them targetting you.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

Oh, I just mean game-wise. I think it would be a cool twist.

I believe you but if Pass turns out not to be a wolf I'm still coming after you.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

In a shocking event, I actually believe that. You might not be TRYING to tell the truth, but hey.

Here's post 1430, I'm responding to Alan, when he said that his win condition doesn't involve killing me. I told him I believed him -- because I'm not a villager.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Here's post 1430, I'm responding to Alan, when he said that his win condition doesn't involve killing me. I told him I believed him -- because I'm not a villager.

Of course, the statement is true if you're a wolf too and it's exactly what I'd say if I was a wolf.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

When I asked you why you chose to reveal when the wolves would just want to off you since you could get the book from them.

It didn't matter the semantics about Telle, you were reasonably sure that the wolves had the book as your posts now are even more reflecting. You were sure enough to want her lynched but when you revealed you were so unsure it didn't even make you consider the wisdom of revealing and them targetting you.

Yeah, I hadn't thought about them targeting me for my ability. I've kind of considered it pretty worthless. But I dunno, maybe Jets will disagree with that!

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:56 PM

Ironically, Mrs Schmidty was all lonely earlier and now that we're talking she's quiet as a churchmouse.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, I hadn't thought about them targeting me for my ability. I've kind of considered it pretty worthless. But I dunno, maybe Jets will disagree with that!

Had you just stopped there without adding the second part I'd be more inclined to believe you.

JetsIn06 · 06-18-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

I believe you but if Pass turns out not to be a wolf I'm still coming after you.

Good.

Just a quick question though...could there be any other reason that Pass would be doing this other than him being a wolf? I can't think of any.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Had you just stopped there without adding the second part I'd be more inclined to believe you.

That was meant to be a joke. Probably just from the frustration of not being believed. But I don't think you would have believed me enough to vote for Jets if it came down to the two of us tomorrow, anyway.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

Good.

Just a quick question though...could there be any other reason that Pass would be doing this other than him being a wolf? I can't think of any.

Only if you're actually the wolf.

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That was meant to be a joke. Probably just from the frustration of not being believed. But I don't think you would have believed me enough to vote for Jets if it came down to the two of us tomorrow, anyway.

A joke?? Well, this post sure was funny.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Only if you're actually the wolf.

Hmm...

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hmm...

As I said, if you're not the wolf I'll lead the charge to avenge your death.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

As I said, if you're not the wolf I'll lead the charge to avenge your death.

Fat lot of good that would do me!

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 04:06 PM

Axxon, you said something about how our descripions of the roles don't match. What did Jets say that was different from me?

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Fat lot of good that would do me!

I thought a student win was a win for all students dead or alive? I mean, if the students win did Henry lose by sacrificing himself? I think not.

path12 · 06-18-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

It didn't matter the semantics about Telle, you were reasonably sure that the wolves had the book as your posts now are even more reflecting. You were sure enough to want her lynched but when you revealed you were so unsure it didn't even make you consider the wisdom of revealing and them targetting you.

Axxon, I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from here. I was under the impression, after EagleFan was lynched, that we would lynch in some order Telle (because now Mrs. S' story had been halfway verified) or Alan (as we had found out the day before that he was a wolf).

Since Mrs. S' story had been halfway verified, there was general confusion (that Alan tried to stoke) about who had the book, what was the book and who would be most dangerous with the book. But I thought there was agreement that the wolves would have it in one way or the other.

So how I'm reading your argument is that since the book wasn't found on either Telle or Alan post-death then a villager has it and that's why the wolves might target Pass if he revealed? I guess my assumption is that it got passed to another wolf and they still have it.......and that whoever possesses the book becomes "The Bearer of the Necromicon".

Does that make sense?

Racer · 06-18-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Racer, RendeR or Mrs Scmidty, did any of you have Pass pegged as the Arcane Collector?

I thought the way he was acting he might be the bodyguard. I kind of just skimmed posts yesterday though. Like I said earlier, it was a Alan T postfest yesterday.

path12 · 06-18-2008, 04:10 PM

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I thought a student win was a win for all students dead or alive? I mean, if the students win did Henry lose by sacrificing himself? I think not.

Different people feel differently about that. I agree with you, I win if my team wins, regardless of whether I'm alive or not. Unless I played really badly.

Passacaglia · 06-18-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

I thought a student win was a win for all students dead or alive? I mean, if the students win did Henry lose by sacrificing himself? I think not.

I agree with this, though I don't think everyone shares the same view as us. However, I get a 'major victory' if I find the Necronomicon, and just a 'normal victory' if the students win, so I'd lose out on the major victory, plus I'd have to trust you guys (who obviously don't know what you're doing

) to finish the win for me!

Axxon · 06-18-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Axxon, you said something about how our descripions of the roles don't match. What did Jets say that was different from me?

Post 1841 in answering if you both had the same victory conditions.

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There was no mention of a major or minor victory. He was correct about winning if the students win, and my votes clearly show that.

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