Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[st.cronin]

dola

/agree with path

[path12]

Out until after lynch. Be nice to hit a baddie day 1!

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

not quite sure how to take that, but maybe its because i couldnt really understand you from behind the mountain of paper on your desk

Just becuase i have, and i quote, very little control over operations...ok, i dont have a defense.

But about you, i have a pretty strong idea of what all the roles do after some intensive 40k research and past playing experience, except for yours. You are the one role i cant fathom a role for, and like cronin, the fact your role states openly you are not apart of the imperium has me greatly intrigued

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE ST.CRONIN

VOTE BRIAND

I think killing our assasin, a big weapon if used right, over someone who so far MIGHT have the power if avoiding night attacks(which i doubt strongly) is a bad move. Nothing against brian, id much prefer it be realdeal as his move seemed like a wolf saying DONT LYNCH ME, PLEASE!!! I KNOW I WONT DIE AT NIGHT !!

[st.cronin]

My feel on real deal is that he is MOST likely good, and telling the truth. Second most plausible scenario is that he is good, but for whatever reason NOT telling the truth. It's just too weird a play for a bad guy, especially that early in the game.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My feel on real deal is that he is MOST likely good, and telling the truth. Second most plausible scenario is that he is good, but for whatever reason NOT telling the truth. It's just too weird a play for a bad guy, especially that early in the game.

I dont know...depends heavily on the other people with his role. He is a super soldier, genetically enhanced to be perfect. But the legions are created in their mold, and the chaos kill them in hordes every day. I suppose it will be interesting seeing the others discuss it at all, but for now i take it as its a wolf move

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Just becuase i have, and i quote, very little control over operations...ok, i dont have a defense.

But about you, i have a pretty strong idea of what all the roles do after some intensive 40k research and past playing experience, except for yours. You are the one role i cant fathom a role for, and like cronin, the fact your role states openly you are not apart of the imperium has me greatly intrigued

you are correct, i am not part of the imperium. the navigators guild operates independantly, but that does not mean i am against you by any means. in fact, the guild has one simply objective, and that is stability throughout the galaxy.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

you are correct, i am not part of the imperium. the navigators guild operates independantly, but that does not mean i am against you by any means. in fact, the guild has one simply objective, and that is stability throughout the galaxy.

Stability can be brought under the firing doom of evil. Death and Fear actually bring people in to line much quicker then democracy and happiness.

I am under the impression we all bring something, though not equal in power, to the table. You are one of the very few i dont have pegged for what power that is yet. Im not calling you evil, just saying im intrigued by you and your role.

[saldana]

tangle, can we get a vote count?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My feel on real deal is that he is MOST likely good, and telling the truth. Second most plausible scenario is that he is good, but for whatever reason NOT telling the truth. It's just too weird a play for a bad guy, especially that early in the game.

the thing i find most interesting about realdeal at this point is that this morning he was running around yelling about how he was starting a circle of trust, and please scan me and confirm me, but as soon as i called him a suspect and pointed out exactly why i thought so (called him the cunning wolf), he clammed up and has barely said anything....perhaps realizing he overplayed his hand and was now hoping to fade out of peoples field of vision that came into the thread later in the day.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Stability can be brought under the firing doom of evil. Death and Fear actually bring people in to line much quicker then democracy and happiness.

I am under the impression we all bring something, though not equal in power, to the table. You are one of the very few i dont have pegged for what power that is yet. Im not calling you evil, just saying im intrigued by you and your role.

i really dont want to discuss my role too much at this point (and i do realize that you are not asking me to), but rest assured that i share in the goals of the imperium, and am squarely on their side in this conflict.

[Greyroofoo]

right now I'm 50/50 on realdeal, a post like that requires guts no matter side you're on.

[tanglewood]

Current Day 1 Vote Count

bulletsponge 4 - AlanT, Fouts, Swaggs, SirFozzie
BrianD 3 - st.cronin, Greyroofoo, Blade
Mustang 2 - kingfc22, RealDeal
kingfc22 1 - Mustang
Swaggs 1 - Chief Rum
RealDeal 2 - saldana, path12
Anxiety 1 - twothree
Chief Rum 1 - bulletsponge
Greyroofoo 1 - BrianD

Yet To Vote: GoldenEagle, Anxiety

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

i really dont want to discuss my role too much at this point (and i do realize that you are not asking me to), but rest assured that i share in the goals of the imperium, and am squarely on their side in this conflict.

I am merely openly disccusing the interesting aspects of day one. Other then realdeal, not much has happened. So whats interesting is the roles, of which i think only you and cronin have public situations where you are seperate from the imperium. Its just something i felt was worthy of note

[Fouts]

Everyone wants to think somebody is pulling the wool over their eyes. Way too early for that. I am willing to trust Realdeal at this point.

Yes. My ability is to decide ties. Not exactly a good ability unless I have some strong information to work with.

[saldana]

[oog] shit, its tuesday night...i got 10 bucks that says anxiety doesnt get a vote it...it's way past time for his date to have started[/oog]

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Current Day 1 Vote Count

bulletsponge 4 - AlanT, Fouts, Swaggs, SirFozzie
BrianD 3 - st.cronin, Greyroofoo, Blade
Mustang 2 - kingfc22, RealDeal
kingfc22 1 - Mustang
Swaggs 1 - Chief Rum
RealDeal 2 - saldana, path12
Anxiety 1 - twothree
Chief Rum 1 - bulletsponge
Greyroofoo 1 - BrianD

Yet To Vote: GoldenEagle, Anxiety

In the future can we make it top to bottom in votes..i missed totally that realdeal had 2 votes, and will not get my vote(i said when i voted brian i would have prefered realdeal, to explain my quick swap here).

UNVOTE BRIAND
VOTE REALDEAL

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I am merely openly disccusing the interesting aspects of day one. Other then realdeal, not much has happened. So whats interesting is the roles, of which i think only you and cronin have public situations where you are seperate from the imperium. Its just something i felt was worthy of note

one thing i am interested in discussing, is why, if you agree with me that RD's little show from this morning screams WOLF, you are voting for BrianD instead? your vote would have been the 3rd on either of them

[SirFozzie]

That vote doesn't do much good, just changes who's 2nd and who's third on the list.. Unless GE/Anxiety vote..

or someone switches.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by saldana

the thing i find most interesting about realdeal at this point is that this morning he was running around yelling about how he was starting a circle of trust, and please scan me and confirm me, but as soon as i called him a suspect and pointed out exactly why i thought so (called him the cunning wolf), he clammed up and has barely said anything....perhaps realizing he overplayed his hand and was now hoping to fade out of peoples field of vision that came into the thread later in the day.

Of course it's easy to paint a scenario where he is a wolf. That's why Day 1 reveals are usually a bad idea even for good guys, unless you're on the chopping block. And that's why I'm inclined to think he's not a wolf.

I mean, sure, he could be a wolf - but why make that play then, if you're a wolf? There wasn't any heat on him, iirc, and a 1 for 1 or 2 for 1, or even a 3 for 1 swap, would not be a wise move YET.

[Blade6119]

If realdeal comes up clean, we can assume the other players with that role have that power. If he comes up bad, we score big. I think its a much better reason then people dont like bullets wolf smileys

[saldana]

Originally Posted by saldana

one thing i am interested in discussing, is why, if you agree with me that RD's little show from this morning screams WOLF, you are voting for BrianD instead? your vote would have been the 3rd on either of them

never mind, we cross posted.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

one thing i am interested in discussing, is why, if you agree with me that RD's little show from this morning screams WOLF, you are voting for BrianD instead? your vote would have been the 3rd on either of them

Like i said, realdeal was listed below other people with 1, so i missed him. I have since swapped, and asked tangle to change that in the future. I didnt feel a need to read everyone with one vote, so i missed realdeal who was listed in the middle of them

[Alan T]

I think you guys are taking a pretty big risk on day 1, eliminating someone who could have made what I felt was a poor judgement call, but is safe from wolf attack. If he is a wolf, we have ways to rule that out as time goes on. If he's someone who can not be killed at nights, you have no way to replace that once you wrongly kill it.

Its day 1, no reason to remove someone who has so much more upside than downside right now. I was the very first person who called him out on his statement this morning, but if he is telling the truth, voting for him could be one of the worst day 1 moves we could imagine (short of accidentally killing the seer or bodyguard or something)

[saldana]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

That vote doesn't do much good, just changes who's 2nd and who's third on the list.. Unless GE/Anxiety vote..

or someone switches.

well you certainly have the ability to affect that.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

That vote doesn't do much good, just changes who's 2nd and who's third on the list.. Unless GE/Anxiety vote..

or someone switches.

REALDEAL GOOD=WOLVES WONT ATTACK HIM, WE WILL ALWAYS SUSPECT...PROB. DEAD IN 3 DAYS...NOT MUCH HELP IF THIS IS THE CASE, AS WE CANT TRUST HIM UNLESS SEER REVEALS TO CLEAR HIM(WHICH SHOULDNT HAPPEN)..SO ETERNAL SUSPECT

REALDEAL BAD=MAJOR LYNCH FOR US, AND GREAT START TO GAME...LEARN MORE ABOUT THE OTHERS WITH HIS ROLE

BULLETSPONGE GOOD=POWER TO NIGHT KILL BAD GUYS, NOT A SUSPECT EVERY DAY SO HE CAN HELP IN DEBATES

BULLETSPONGE BAD = POWER TO NIGHT KILL(WHICH IF BAD, HE ALREADY HAS)------------------------------------

I SEE FAR MORE BENEFIT IN KILLING REAL DEAL, AND LESS RISK. LOSING OUR ASSASIN CAN REALLY HURT US, LOSING AN ETERNAL SUSPECT WITH NO POWERS, NOT SO MUCH..



Sorry for caps, just realized and dont want to re-type

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think you guys are taking a pretty big risk on day 1, eliminating someone who could have made what I felt was a poor judgement call, but is safe from wolf attack. If he is a wolf, we have ways to rule that out as time goes on. If he's someone who can not be killed at nights, you have no way to replace that once you wrongly kill it.

Its day 1, no reason to remove someone who has so much more upside than downside right now. I was the very first person who called him out on his statement this morning, but if he is telling the truth, voting for him could be one of the worst day 1 moves we could imagine (short of accidentally killing the seer or bodyguard or something)

Agreed. Not a good move to kill the unkillable, unless you are a wolf.

[bulletsponge]

why would the Assassins leader be a badie, that would make the wolves way to powerful, capable of many kills everynight. dont lynch me, you will regret not having my sweet assassins around when we get several badie suspect around

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think you guys are taking a pretty big risk on day 1, eliminating someone who could have made what I felt was a poor judgement call, but is safe from wolf attack. If he is a wolf, we have ways to rule that out as time goes on. If he's someone who can not be killed at nights, you have no way to replace that once you wrongly kill it.

Its day 1, no reason to remove someone who has so much more upside than downside right now. I was the very first person who called him out on his statement this morning, but if he is telling the truth, voting for him could be one of the worst day 1 moves we could imagine (short of accidentally killing the seer or bodyguard or something)

If hes good, the wolves wont attack him. His power is of no use now, as if good the wolves wont waste time on him. Bullets power is still very much a weapon.

[Fouts]

He has the power to night kill bad guys? Where does it say that? And how would he know who to kill?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

He has the power to night kill bad guys? Where does it say that? And how would he know who to kill?

He is the head of the assasins...that says it all. He wont for sure, but he is a weapon. Realdeals power is no longer a weapon in the open, so i dont know why we would kill a villager weapon over a now useless role

[saldana]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Of course it's easy to paint a scenario where he is a wolf. That's why Day 1 reveals are usually a bad idea even for good guys, unless you're on the chopping block. And that's why I'm inclined to think he's not a wolf.

I mean, sure, he could be a wolf - but why make that play then, if you're a wolf? There wasn't any heat on him, iirc, and a 1 for 1 or 2 for 1, or even a 3 for 1 swap, would not be a wise move YET.

because it vaults him to the top of everyone's trust list, and he can then hide in plain sight. i will break it down further.

scenario one - realdeal is a good guy, and his reveal is the truth - the wolves wont attack him, he is safe each night because of his role. what does that gain the villagers on day 1.....nothing.....even if the seer scans him tonight, i would pray they dont out themselves just to clear one person

scenario two - realdeal is a bad guy, and his reveal is bullshit - he shows up every day, and we all assume that its because he is safe each night because of his role, when in fact its because he is busy sucking our souls out. and if he is in fact the cunning wolf or whatever equivelent there is for that in this universe, a seer scan helps his cause, as he come us villager. further, if he does get jammed at night by a witness or runs into the bodyguard and gets ID'd, he then makes it a he said/he said scenairo, and its a crap shoot.

IMO, there is a huge upside for a wolf to try this move, versus the downside of getting lynched, which is obviously not a sure thing in the least.

[Alan T]

Away till after lynch. good luck on the vote

[Fouts]

You two are pushing real hard for us to lynch realdeal.

[saldana]

i would also like to point out that realdeal has been in the thread for about an hour and still hasnt defended himself.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

You two are pushing real hard for us to lynch realdeal.

Blade is pushing hard for what he believes...that never happens

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Fouts

You two are pushing real hard for us to lynch realdeal.

i dont think it without reason....if i were pushing on you, for example, where i have absolutely no reason to, that would look rather suspicious, but its not like i dont have a logical reason to be on realdeal....there is more logical reason on day one for him than we have had on alot of other days well into games

[Fouts]

To me, it is about 10 percent chance realdeal is a baddie, and 50 percent chance bullet is a baddie.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Fouts

To me, it is about 10 percent chance realdeal is a baddie, and 50 percent chance bullet is a baddie.

based upon??

[Greyroofoo]

what is the evidence against bulletsponge? I thought everyone was just mad at his wolf icons.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

To me, it is about 10 percent chance realdeal is a baddie, and 50 percent chance bullet is a baddie.

Realdeal has played quite a few games...he was bold and outgoing back then, so i dont put it past him. Im not sure why he is soo low on your list, or why bullet is so high. What has bullet done?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

If realdeal comes up clean, we can assume the other players with that role have that power. If he comes up bad, we score big. I think its a much better reason then people dont like bullets wolf smileys

I will definitely NOT be making that assumption. I doubt very much that either realdeal or bullet are wolves. Wolves tend to play quiet, unassuming games on Day 1.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

In the future can we make it top to bottom in votes..i missed totally that realdeal had 2 votes, and will not get my vote(i said when i voted brian i would have prefered realdeal, to explain my quick swap here).

UNVOTE BRIAND
VOTE REALDEAL

Apologies, it was a clerical error.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by saldana

based upon??

Based upon my reading the posts. Everyone starts at about 33 percent.

[st.cronin]

I am very much with Fouts, except for his suspicion of bullet. I don't think he's that suspicious.

UNVOTE BRIAND

VOTE ANXIETY

Gut + logic

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I will definitely NOT be making that assumption. I doubt very much that either realdeal or bullet are wolves. Wolves tend to play quiet, unassuming games on Day 1.

Eh, i disagree. We have just had a run recently with players who chose that route. Myself, Sndvls, hoops, barkeep, saldana, and countless others are rather chatty when evil. Realdeal was quite chatty when he played as well, which was some time ago if some of you dont remember

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

what is the evidence against bulletsponge? I thought everyone was just mad at his wolf icons.

Pretty much it. Only person that drew attention to themselves is realdeal so, have to ask ourselves if we think that he is telling the truth. Unfortunately, I believe even if we believe him and scan him, that isn't buying anything. If he is non-Choatic, how is the seer going to tell us anyways without revealing his own indentity? Seems like a sure way to get yourself killed as a seer..

Just doesn't make sense to me personally...

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Pretty much it. Only person that drew attention to themselves is realdeal so, have to ask ourselves if we think that he is telling the truth. Unfortunately, I believe even if we believe him and scan him, that isn't buying anything. If he is non-Choatic, how is the seer going to tell us anyways without revealing his own indentity? Seems like a sure way to get yourself killed as a seer..

Just doesn't make sense to me personally...

Hence why i think you need to vote realdeal..bullet is dying for a bs reason, while the one true suspect is getting off clean

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Eh, i disagree. We have just had a run recently with players who chose that route. Myself, Sndvls, hoops, barkeep, saldana, and countless others are rather chatty when evil. Realdeal was quite chatty when he played as well, which was some time ago if some of you dont remember

Most of the examples you cite played quietly on Day 1, though. Also, when was the fake reveal on Day 1? That's an idiotic play that I don't think has ever happened.

[Fouts]

The icons weren't my only reason. My other reason was that I don't trust assassins, especially those serving their own purposes.