The 2013-2014 NFL Offseason/Coaching/Free Agency (non-draft) Thread - Page 19

Honolulu_Blue · 03-13-2014, 08:42 AM

The Sproles/McCoy combo won't be good for fantasy football.

Qwikshot · 03-13-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Yeah, I thought about Sproles and figured the Eagles would be one of the places he'd be least likely to go given McCoy. Very interesting.

Sproles is going to play in the slot, it won't hurt McCoy at all...hell, it may even make him better.

Travis · 03-13-2014, 09:50 AM

It's going to be fun watching what Chip can come up with for this offence. Throw in their weapons at TE and they can trot out all sorts of looks and motions to mess with the D.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The Sproles/McCoy combo won't be good for fantasy football.

I dont think it will be an issue. I think the 3rd/4th/5th WRs in Chips offense are the ones that get forgotten. McCoy couldnt handle the same workload going forward. Last year was too much for him so it is good that they brought in Sproles.

At Oregon, he was able to keep 2/3 running backs busy enough. Most years when he was there 2 of the backs would have over 1 thousand yards.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

There's not, according to Albert Breer of the NFLN. Also says they are considering a long term deal.

Interesting. If everything goes as planned should be a good deal for both sides.

The "if" things dont get as planned is where Revis could get killed on this deal. The price to play for a winner might be worth it to him.

Chief Rum · 03-13-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

shoot- not good news for Chris Polk

Sproles and Polk aren't really competing for roles. Polk's concern is Bryce Brown (before and after the Sproles trade).

Lathum · 03-13-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Sproles and Polk aren't really competing for roles. Polk's concern is Bryce Brown (before and after the Sproles trade).

you can still only carry so many guys.

Honestly, I would love to see Polk get a shot somewhere else where he can get more carries.

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2014, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

There's not, according to Albert Breer of the NFLN. Also says they are considering a long term deal.

Just saw this

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Originally Posted by espn.com pats blog

An important wrinkle has been learned about the contract Darrelle Revis has agreed to with the Patriots.

It has widely been reported as a one-year, $12 million deal, which is accurate. Revis will earn $12 million this season.

But for salary-cap accounting purposes, and to protect Revis from being assigned the franchise tag in 2015, the sides have added a second year to the pact in 2015 that would pay Revis $20 million and count $25 million against the salary cap.

The $20 million is an astronomical figure, as is the $25 million cap charge. That makes it unlikely the Patriots would pay it, thus making Revis an unrestricted free agent in 2015 or one of the highest-paid players in football.

The second year helps the Patriots spread out the salary-cap charges for Revis over two seasons instead of taking one $12 million salary-cap hit in 2014. Revis' cap charge for 2014 is now $7 million.

Here is a breakdown of the deal for those into specifics:

2014
Cap value: $7M
Cash value: $12M
Signing bonus: $10M
Roster bonus: $500K ($33.33K per game if on 46-man roster up to 15 games)
Base salary: $1.5M

2015
Cap value: $25M
Cash value: $20M
Roster bonus-1: $12M (earned on April 1, 2015, if club exercises option prior to end of 2014 league year)
Roster bonus-2: $500,000 ($33.33K per game if on 46-man roster up to 15 games)
Base salary: $7.5M

Arles · 03-13-2014, 12:02 PM

Looks like Revis' agent knew what he was doing. Now, one of two things happen:

1. NE extends him during the season, essentially giving him two signing bonuses and I'm guessing around $35+ mil in guaranteed money for both deals.
2. NE cuts him after the season, at which point Revis gets his $12 mil this year + another $25-30ish mil in guaranteed money in the next deal.

I can tell you this, if NE doesn't extend him - I would expect Revis to be very careful with any injuries he sustains this season. The only thing that submarines the two options above is if he gets a serious injury.

Logan · 03-13-2014, 12:06 PM

He had a serious injury 18 months ago and turned that into $28 million over the next two years. I'm sure he'll make out okay even if the worst happens.

Arles · 03-13-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

He had a serious injury 18 months ago and turned that into $28 million over the next two years. I'm sure he'll make out okay even if the worst happens.

True, but at 29 going on 30 - there's more risk than when he was 27. He will still get a nice contract, but maximizing his value involves a healthy Revis hitting the market. If NE doesn't extend him, I doubt we will see much of Revis in the preseason.

Julio Riddols · 03-13-2014, 12:25 PM

Sproles and McCoy, holy moly. I'm going to be watching a lot of Eagles games this year.

Radii · 03-13-2014, 12:50 PM

Steve Smith officially cut. Maybe for the best, I dunno, but I am very sad.

Carolina currently has 6 WRs, none of them caught a pass in the NFL in 2013. Carolina is trying to sign Hakeem Nicks.

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 03-13-2014, 01:34 PM

Wilfork asks for release, imagining he didn't like the restructure number the Pats came to him with. One of my favorites.

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2014, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3

Wilfork asks for release, imagining he didn't like the restructure number the Pats came to him with. One of my favorites.

Jeez - I didn't realize he was 33 already. Tough to extend a guy that size at that age for that kind of money, even as much as he's been the rock of the defense for years.

If they're going to let him go though they can use the money to (a) lock up Edelman, and/or (b) lock up Revis longer-term. Build a new defensive scheme around Revis/Chandler Jones/Mayo/Hightower/draft picks.

Buccaneer · 03-13-2014, 01:45 PM

He was one of my favorites and my son's second favorite Pats.

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

He was one of my favorites and my son's second favorite Pats.

Ditto.

It's a big hole (pun intended) in the defense, so they've either got to look to fill it somehow, or they're thinking of a change in the whole look of the defense based on the personnel they have.

Arles · 03-13-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3

Wilfork asks for release, imagining he didn't like the restructure number the Pats came to him with. One of my favorites.

That's sad. There are some players that you always associate with a team and Wilfork on the Pats was one of those guys.

Buccaneer · 03-13-2014, 01:51 PM

The mock draft has them drafting a DT - forgot who though.

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 03-13-2014, 01:52 PM

I was hopeful they could get him down to a reasonable number but I can't begrudge him not being interested. As things have been going, though, DTs seem to be being marginalized (at least when it comes to cap numbers).

Arles · 03-13-2014, 01:55 PM

7.5 Mil is a big cap number for a 33-year old DT coming off the IR. That said, if GB would ever sign a FA, he's the type of guy I'd like them to get (for a reasonable price).

Of course, that's not our style. We will continue to resign depth guys like Mike Neal and Quarless and put all our hopes in the draft yet again for defense. We will end up relying on a 5th round pick from some small school to be our starting safety for a 3rd straight season

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 03-13-2014, 01:56 PM

Cap number was actually 11.5.

Incidentally what ever happened to BJ Raji?

Buccaneer · 03-13-2014, 01:58 PM

Marginalized in favor of fast, powerful, raging DE and LB for the front 7. No need for run stuffers when there are no RB or at least pounders.

Coffee Warlord · 03-13-2014, 02:01 PM

Alright Detroit fans. What's the skinny on Willie Young?

Arles · 03-13-2014, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3

Cap number was actually 11.5.

Incidentally what ever happened to BJ Raji?

He had 9.5 total sacks in 2010 and 2011, but has had 0 in his last 30 starts. He just isn't as disruptive as he once was. He's still decent at POA, but offers little to no pass rush.

Desnudo · 03-13-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Marginalized in favor of fast, powerful, raging DE and LB for the front 7. No need for run stuffers when there are no RB or at least pounders.

The Patriots run defense without him and Tommy Kelly was a disaster and was bad enough to impact the overall defense, especially once Talib went down. Not worth paying $11M for though.

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2014, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

The Patriots run defense without him and Tommy Kelly was a disaster and was bad enough to impact the overall defense, especially once Talib went down. Not worth paying $11M for though.

We'd take Raji here. He likes the area.

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 03-13-2014, 02:16 PM

Pats first four games (with both Wilfork and Kelly) - 125 yd/game
Pats last 14 games - 133 yd/game

obvious small sample size and many other issues, but a back of the envelope thing

Desnudo · 03-13-2014, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3

Pats first four games (with both Wilfork and Kelly) - 125 yd/game
Pats last 14 games - 133 yd/game

obvious small sample size and many other issues, but a back of the envelope thing

So you could say it sucked with Wilfork and sucked even more without him. So definitely not worth $11M.

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 03-13-2014, 02:24 PM

Yeah Wilfork is a big body but he's not what he was, even before the Achilles injury.

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 03-13-2014, 02:28 PM

Actually I screwed those numbers up - was about 25 yards better in the first four games.

Sorry!

Mayo was healthy for those first four as well.

They also won giving up 177 and 280 on the ground, so go figure.

Neuqua · 03-13-2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

So the Bears signed Dante Rosario to a 1 year deal 2 weeks ago.

And cut him today.

And re-signed him today.

Coffee Warlord · 03-13-2014, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuqua

And re-signed him today.

I'm dying for an explanation here. Emery doesn't seem to be giving one, either.

“We released him, like we do with players,” Emery said Wednesday. “There’s a good chance he’ll come back like we do with players.
“There isn’t anything other than that, just a process we’re going through. It’s a very fluid period. We’ll work through it.
“We like Dante. It isn’t anything that he did. We released him; those reasons will remain internal. If we bring him back, those reasons’ll remain internal.”

stevew · 03-13-2014, 07:18 PM

I figured Wilfork was going to be a lifer. Did something happen between him and Kraft? He is wise to pursue being cut now vs the Pats cutting him later in the off season. He wasn't going to stay at that cap #.

stevew · 03-13-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuqua

And re-signed him today.

Did he say anything about past injustices?

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2014, 07:27 PM

Sources confirm the Pats have reached out to Steve Smith.

Does he have anything left?

BillJasper · 03-13-2014, 07:34 PM

I have a feeling the Raiders simply don't have a clue.

claphamsa · 03-13-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Sources confirm the Pats have reached out to Steve Smith.

Does he have anything left?

sure he has something left.. but so does TO.

Abe Sargent · 03-13-2014, 08:44 PM

I think teh Jags are quietly having a really good offseason in FA so far. Trade Gabbert, sign the best OG in FA, and bring in a bunch of talent on the D Line. Hopefully that means they'll move to QB for the draft.

Thomkal · 03-13-2014, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

I have a feeling the Raiders simply don't have a clue.

Yeah I thought with Al Davis's death, the craziness would mostly go away, but we have this with the Rodger Saffold signing then not signing:

Rodger Saffold returning to St. Louis Rams after medical disagreement with Oakland Raiders - ESPN

Thomkal · 03-13-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I think teh Jags are quietly having a really good offseason in FA so far. Trade Gabbert, sign the best OG in FA, and bring in a bunch of talent on the D Line. Hopefully that means they'll move to QB for the draft.

And they are getting just about every Seattle FA out there.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-13-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Alright Detroit fans. What's the skinny on Willie Young?

A decent pass rusher, who uses speed more than power and who is still on the up swing. He was a 7th round pick who hung around largely based on very good pre-season play. He'd be lights out in August and disappear in the regular season. He was pushed into regular duty for the first time last year because of departures and injuries and played pretty well. A pass rusher who is athletic enough to make some plays in space.

Atocep · 03-13-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Alright Detroit fans. What's the skinny on Willie Young?

He's probably an upgrade over what Peppers did last year (2 more QB hits and 20 more hurries than Peppers0. Combined with Houston it's a huge upgrade on the D-Line.

BishopMVP · 03-13-2014, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Sources confirm the Pats have reached out to Steve Smith.

Does he have anything left?

If all he does is break Kyle Arrington's jaw in the preseason he'll become my new favorite Patriot.

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2014, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

If all he does is break Kyle Arrington's jaw in the preseason he'll become my new favorite Patriot.

Radii · 03-13-2014, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Sources confirm the Pats have reached out to Steve Smith.

FUCK. Would have literally rather seen him on the Falcons than the Pats. That is the only team in the NFL where I won't be able to find a way to be happy if he succeeds.

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Does he have anything left?

Yeah he does, he can't be the #1 threat anymore, but I bet he can be the #2 WR somewhere, and he could absolutely be a solid threat out of the slot. If Carolina could have drafted a single useful WR in the last 7 or 8 years or so Smith would still be a Panther and just drop to the #2 guy, but no.

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2014, 11:29 PM

Cool - I've always liked the intensity he brings to the game. With a QB like Brady if he's got anything left in the tank I think he could be definitely effective.

Radii · 03-13-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Cool - I've always liked the intensity he brings to the game. With a QB like Brady if he's got anything left in the tank I think he could be definitely effective.

As long as he doesn't send any of his teammates to the hospital in practice, you will love having him. I think those days are long behind him... I think. And yeah in the Pats offense with Brady I do think he'll have a really solid year. Thankfully, Carolina doesn't play the Pats next season, b/c he's the type of guy that could have a total down year, but he'd find a way to catch 3 TD passes in that game no matter what.

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2014, 11:56 PM

That's if he ends up in NE. We'll see.

BishopMVP · 03-13-2014, 11:59 PM

Pats also being linked heavily to Brandon Browner right now... he'd probably be more of a SS/matchup vs. certain big WR's than a true CB.

03-13-2014, 08:42 AM	#901
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03-13-2014, 09:50 AM	#903
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	It's going to be fun watching what Chip can come up with for this offence. Throw in their weapons at TE and they can trot out all sorts of looks and motions to mess with the D. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

03-13-2014, 12:02 PM	#909
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Looks like Revis' agent knew what he was doing. Now, one of two things happen: 1. NE extends him during the season, essentially giving him two signing bonuses and I'm guessing around $35+ mil in guaranteed money for both deals. 2. NE cuts him after the season, at which point Revis gets his $12 mil this year + another $25-30ish mil in guaranteed money in the next deal. I can tell you this, if NE doesn't extend him - I would expect Revis to be very careful with any injuries he sustains this season. The only thing that submarines the two options above is if he gets a serious injury. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-13-2014, 12:25 PM	#912
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Sproles and McCoy, holy moly. I'm going to be watching a lot of Eagles games this year. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

03-13-2014, 01:55 PM	#921
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	7.5 Mil is a big cap number for a 33-year old DT coming off the IR. That said, if GB would ever sign a FA, he's the type of guy I'd like them to get (for a reasonable price). Of course, that's not our style. We will continue to resign depth guys like Mike Neal and Quarless and put all our hopes in the draft yet again for defense. We will end up relying on a 5th round pick from some small school to be our starting safety for a 3rd straight season __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 03-13-2014 at 01:58 PM.

03-13-2014, 12:06 PM	#910
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	He had a serious injury 18 months ago and turned that into $28 million over the next two years. I'm sure he'll make out okay even if the worst happens.

03-13-2014, 12:50 PM	#913
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Steve Smith officially cut. Maybe for the best, I dunno, but I am very sad. Carolina currently has 6 WRs, none of them caught a pass in the NFL in 2013. Carolina is trying to sign Hakeem Nicks.

03-13-2014, 01:34 PM	#914
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	Wilfork asks for release, imagining he didn't like the restructure number the Pats came to him with. One of my favorites.

03-13-2014, 01:45 PM	#916
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	He was one of my favorites and my son's second favorite Pats.

03-13-2014, 01:51 PM	#919
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	The mock draft has them drafting a DT - forgot who though.

03-13-2014, 01:52 PM	#920
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	I was hopeful they could get him down to a reasonable number but I can't begrudge him not being interested. As things have been going, though, DTs seem to be being marginalized (at least when it comes to cap numbers).

03-13-2014, 01:56 PM	#922
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	Cap number was actually 11.5. Incidentally what ever happened to BJ Raji?

03-13-2014, 01:58 PM	#923
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Marginalized in favor of fast, powerful, raging DE and LB for the front 7. No need for run stuffers when there are no RB or at least pounders.

03-13-2014, 02:01 PM	#924
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Alright Detroit fans. What's the skinny on Willie Young?

03-13-2014, 02:16 PM	#928
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	Pats first four games (with both Wilfork and Kelly) - 125 yd/game Pats last 14 games - 133 yd/game obvious small sample size and many other issues, but a back of the envelope thing Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs3 : 03-13-2014 at 02:17 PM.

03-13-2014, 02:24 PM	#930
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	Yeah Wilfork is a big body but he's not what he was, even before the Achilles injury.

03-13-2014, 02:28 PM	#931
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	Actually I screwed those numbers up - was about 25 yards better in the first four games. Sorry! Mayo was healthy for those first four as well. They also won giving up 177 and 280 on the ground, so go figure.

03-13-2014, 07:18 PM	#934
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I figured Wilfork was going to be a lifer. Did something happen between him and Kraft? He is wise to pursue being cut now vs the Pats cutting him later in the off season. He wasn't going to stay at that cap #.

03-13-2014, 07:27 PM	#936
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Sources confirm the Pats have reached out to Steve Smith. Does he have anything left? Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 03-13-2014 at 07:39 PM.

03-13-2014, 07:34 PM	#937
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	I have a feeling the Raiders simply don't have a clue. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

03-13-2014, 08:44 PM	#939
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I think teh Jags are quietly having a really good offseason in FA so far. Trade Gabbert, sign the best OG in FA, and bring in a bunch of talent on the D Line. Hopefully that means they'll move to QB for the draft. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-13-2014, 11:29 PM	#947
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Cool - I've always liked the intensity he brings to the game. With a QB like Brady if he's got anything left in the tank I think he could be definitely effective.

03-13-2014, 11:56 PM	#949
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	That's if he ends up in NE. We'll see. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

03-13-2014, 11:59 PM	#950
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Pats also being linked heavily to Brandon Browner right now... he'd probably be more of a SS/matchup vs. certain big WR's than a true CB.

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