The Official Lost Season 4 Thread

[Thomkal]

Thanks, Todd, Spleen, and Bearcat for the obit and refreshing my memory and answering my question. Does seem like the island let Michael die, lets hope he's the only one from the boat who did.

Is there any significance/Lost lore about the alias Locke was using?

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Is there any significance/Lost lore about the alias Locke was using?

John Locke and Jeremy Bentham were both British philosophers is about the only link that I know of

[JetsIn06]

Just fucking awesome. Wow.

[Bonegavel]

DarkUFO

great site for lost stuff

[kingfc22]

Just watched the finale. Simply awesome. The scene when the island moved was very well done.

I wonder if Sun is going to help Whitmore find Desmond since she made reference to those who left the island.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Hopefully, we haven't seen the last of Jin and/or Desmond.

I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Desmond. Clearly he's trying to hide with Penny, and Ben told Charles Whitmore he would find and kill Penny.

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I'm sure (Sawyer whispering to Kate) has something to do with his daughter and the money he has hiding away.

I thought it was as simple as "Take care of Claire's baby, and get it away from the island." But I'm probably wrong.

[StLee]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I believe it was the island. Remember Zeke said the island wouldn't let him die? I think it was the island letting him know that he was allowed to die.

He said, "You can go back now" and then the scene cut to the boat exploding. I think the boat was empty of all people, including Michael and Jin when it exploded.

Interesting season finale, but I do have a question. Weren't there supposed to be 16 episodes per season for the last three seasons? What changed?

[StLee]

Here's something else I just thought of: What if Jeremy Bentham and John Locke are two separate beings of the same person. We know about the rabbit. Could it have happened again?

Crazy. But so is the show.

[Bonegavel]

I'm convinced that the adam and eve from the very first season are actually Kate and Jack (or some combo of the cast) having traveled into the past in the next 2 seasons.

[OldGiants]

Did anyone else think Locke-in-the-coffin looked just like Mini-me?

Locke losing his legs would explain the small coffin, too.

Great episode, lots explained and more happened for future resolution.

Best line of Ben's "Oh, you mean time-traveling bunnies? That's true."

I think Sun has come to blame Ben for Jin's death and wants to get with Widmore to avenge Jin. Because she learned Ben killed the merc and triggered the bomb that blasted Jin.

We've never seen Claire and Charlie together as ghosts, will that happen?

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by StLee

He said, "You can go back now" and then the scene cut to the boat exploding. I think the boat was empty of all people, including Michael and Jin when it exploded.

Interesting season finale, but I do have a question. Weren't there supposed to be 16 episodes per season for the last three seasons? What changed?

Actually he says "You can go now Michael" and the boat explodes. I think Michael and Jin are dead. Though it'd be nice to see Faraday be able to pick Jin up out of the water alive.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Actually he says "You can go now Michael" and the boat explodes.

That's what I remember hearing, I'd thought it meant the island would finally allow him to die.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Actually he says "You can go now Michael" and the boat explodes. I think Michael and Jin are dead. Though it'd be nice to see Faraday be able to pick Jin up out of the water alive.

We've already seen Jin in a flash forward (or what appears to be a flash forward) when Sun is delivering her baby and Jin is running around with a stuffed bear. So I doubt he was killed in the explosion.

[chesapeake]

Originally Posted by moriarty

We've already seen Jin in a flash forward (or what appears to be a flash forward) when Sun is delivering her baby and Jin is running around with a stuffed bear. So I doubt he was killed in the explosion.

At the end of that episode, you learn that Jin's bit was a flashback. He delivers the bear to one of Mr. Paik's business partners, not Sun. Later, she visits the memorial to him (and her) erected after the plane crashed.

This said, I am not convinced that Jin is dead. the first rule of comic books is no body = no death. Show me his lifeless corpse and then I'll believe that the Island is truly finished with him.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

At the end of that episode, you learn that Jin's bit was a flashback. He delivers the bear to one of Mr. Paik's business partners, not Sun. Later, she visits the memorial to him (and her) erected after the plane crashed.

After delivering the bear, Jin also commented that he has only been married a couple of months. Very definitely a flashback.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by moriarty

We've already seen Jin in a flash forward (or what appears to be a flash forward) when Sun is delivering her baby and Jin is running around with a stuffed bear. So I doubt he was killed in the explosion.

It was definitely a flashback - as confirmed by the producers - and in the flash-forward starring Sun, she visits Jin's grave with Hurley. YMMV.

[chesapeake]

The grave was actually a memorial to both of them, erected after the plane crash. I have no doubt that Sun is convinced that Jin is dead. I am not as convinced.

[Pyser]

at least now we know how that polar bear got to the desert.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

-like how badass Sun has been since she got off the island. Taking over her father's company, trying to make a deal with Whitmore. Probably something to do with finding out if Jin survived or not there I'm guessing.

I was expecting her to slit his throat or pull out a gun.

Originally Posted by moriarty

We've already seen Jin in a flash forward (or what appears to be a flash forward) when Sun is delivering her baby and Jin is running around with a stuffed bear. So I doubt he was killed in the explosion.

You've already been corrected.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by moriarty

We've already seen Jin in a flash forward (or what appears to be a flash forward) when Sun is delivering her baby and Jin is running around with a stuffed bear. So I doubt he was killed in the explosion.

ROFL.

The Sun scenes in that episode were a flash forward. The Jin scenes in that episode were a flashback.

[Bonegavel]

I read an interview with harold p (michael) and he was pissed as shit to be killed yet again which means to me that Michael is dead. That doesn't stop them from bringing him back but if the interview is to be taken at face value, he seemed pissed and will not come back if asked.

edit - here is the interview

hxxp://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/05/harold-perrineau-dishes-on-his-lost.html

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

And he also backed away from those comments, to some degree. Other than the race card, I can't say he was wrong.

I agree - it seemed like they wasted an opportunity

[NoMyths]

Re: the second interview, it sounded as if the producers had an adult conversation with him in the interim following the first one. In the second he's practically begging for a job (the 'you need me to do something, I'll do it' stuff near the end).

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

The grave was actually a memorial to both of them, erected after the plane crash. I have no doubt that Sun is convinced that Jin is dead. I am not as convinced.

Actually, it is not a memorial, it is a headstone marking a grave. If I am not mistaken - and my Korean friend says I am not - it is traditional headstone for both husband and wife. Both names are on the headstone and the dates are filled in upon passing. Watch the clip again and you will see Jin has his dates of birth and death listed, while Sun only has her date of birth on the stone.



Read more about it here:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jin

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

ROFL.

The Sun scenes in that episode were a flash forward. The Jin scenes in that episode were a flashback.

Hmmm... I'm beginning to think it might have been a flash back.

Guess I need to pay more attention. :o

[spleen1015]

Throughout the whole deal it looks like he is rushing to his baby's birth when really he was rushing to congratulate a client of Paik's in a flashback. They did it that way on purpose.

[BrianD]

If Claire can survive a rocket that destroyed the house she was in, Jin can survive an explosion on a boat he was on the edge of. If he did survive, I bet we won't see him for a while. Sun has to do some major ass kicking first, and the impact of that will be lessened if we know her "You killed Jin" anger is misplaced.

[thesloppy]

Lost has moments of brilliance and then moments of typical TV stupidity and lazy writing.

The whole scene in the bomb-room got ridiculous at the end. Desmond mumbled something about being in the bomb unit for a very short amount of time, then gave a perfect description of every single part on the bomb, and then immediately became useless. The bomb had some kind of super-duper, hair-trigger motion-sensing tripwire...in a boat...on the open seas. Then when it finally came time to try and diffuse the bomb Desmond goes for a brown wire, but thankfully Jin is there to stammer out 'no', and point out to the demolitions expert that, 6 inches from his face, all of the brown wires lead right back into the explosives. Finally, they're going to give it one last try, but need to send someone out to evacuate the others from the ship....so they send OUT the guy with the bomb training, and keep IN the ESL student with the wife, to co-ordinate the defusal effort.

[Kodos]

I loved how Sawyer was able to swim back to the island. The copter is flying for a good amount of time, but then suddenly the copter is still within view of the island as he jumps.

[Toddzilla]

Nice day for a swim!

[chesapeake]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Actually, it is not a memorial, it is a headstone marking a grave. If I am not mistaken - and my Korean friend says I am not - it is traditional headstone for both husband and wife. Both names are on the headstone and the dates are filled in upon passing. Watch the clip again and you will see Jin has his dates of birth and death listed, while Sun only has her date of birth on the stone.

Read more about it here:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jin

Memorial or grave is immaterial. My point is that WE have seen no body. Again, I believe that Sun thinks he is dead. But until I see his bloody corpse -- or he starts making random appearances the way that dead people on Lost do -- I'm not convinced that he is dead. My money says that Faraday fishes him out of the water in the Zodiac.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

Memorial or grave is immaterial. My point is that WE have seen no body. Again, I believe that Sun thinks he is dead. But until I see his bloody corpse -- or he starts making random appearances the way that dead people on Lost do -- I'm not convinced that he is dead. My money says that Faraday fishes him out of the water in the Zodiac.

I think we'd need to see his decaying corpse -- even bloody corpses don't mean much on Lost.

[Alan T]

Unfortunately for me, I watched 1 or 2 episodes of season 1 lost a few weeks ago... enjoyed it alot and then proceeded over the next 2-3 weeks to watch every episode from season 1 to the season 4 finish in order...

Now I'm hooked on this show.. great story and loved the actors for the most part.

I love the actor playing Ben, the parts with him in it just makes me really enjoy the show alot more.

[chesapeake]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I love the actor playing Ben, the parts with him in it just makes me really enjoy the show alot more.

Agreed.

When Ben first appeared, he really grated on me -- he was just a manipulative little weasel. I never imagined that an actor could take that manipulative little weasel and turn him into a Machieavellian genius of epic proportions.

Michael Emerson has got to win an Emmy for this role before the series concludes.

[BishopMVP]

Is it true that Ben wasn't supposed to be a major character, but that they saw the chemistry he had with Locke in particular as he was being held hostage and made him a bigger character?

[Poli]

DharmaWantsYou.com

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[CrimsonFox]

Okay I started season 4. Watched like 4 episodes so far.

Firstoff...

Ken Jeoung/Miles is the shot in the arm the series definitely needed! Love both the character and the actor!

Having another group of unknowns is good.


I have a new favorite episode! The Constant is one of the most brilliant episodes of TV I have seen in a long time. Just fucking great scifi and great creative writing. And also makes me like Faraday a lot.

Just a beautiful episode!

One thing that I find weird. Harold Perrineau is in the cast.
Um....uh oh. Are we going to be seeing flash forwards of Michael screaming down the street toward the school bus, "WAAAAAAAALT! You forgot your lunch!"

[CrimsonFox]

oh yeah, it's kinda cool that the losties are now living in the Others' houses.

And the whole schism of the Jackites vs the Lockeans.

[CrimsonFox]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaa I'm still giggling. What an episode of reveals.

Ji Soon

Amazing episode

What I"m giggling at....Michael was on the ship. MOther fucking Michael.
"WAAAAAAAAAAAALT" Michael. I never saw that coming.
Even tho I noticed in episode 1 of the season that harold Perrineau was in the credits. I never saw that coming still. Completely forgot about it really. That's too much...hehehehehehehehehe

And the fact that that episode had both flashBACKS AND flashFORWARDS. Very nicely constructed.

Wow, broke my heart when Hurley said "Let's go see him" to Sun in forwardland. I knew exactly where they were going. Very sad After all the Panda escapades that that was for someone else.

Juliet is such a bitch, isn't she? I don't really find her appealing in any way.

A big shout out to Jeff Fahey, the burnout helicopter pilot. I remember him from Lawnmower man with Pierce Brosnan, and Silverado and a bunch of other little shit. Those big blue eyes.
He ended up playing bad guys a lot.

Can't believe it. How did I not see Michael coming. And back when Ben said "I have a spy on the boat. And you aren't going to believe who it is" or something like that.... I was trying to think how could it be that interesting to Locke. Never suspected

[CrimsonFox]

Oh yeah...the "Oceanic 6" that has been spouted several times this season. NOW I know what that means...

Only 6 people left from the island at that point it seems

So Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun...and two more.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Aylmar

Please let Hurley be wrong about Jack being right. I don't want Jack to be right about anything. I despise that character. It's amazing that the writers can come up with all these great and deep support characters and then botch Jack so badly. Or maybe it's just the way Fox portrays him. Sometimes when I watch I think that the writers are taking certain directions because he's got such limited range.

There are times when I think this. Times when I get so sick of Jack. Hating him. WIshing the action would go to Sayid, Locke, Sawyer, and Desmond and stay there.

I don't hate Fox but don't really like him either. Or maybe it's the character. I don't know. I'm not one for the guy in charge barking orders.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ragone

No way thats hurley in the casket.. the casket wasn't quite big enough...

Besides all that, i'd think Kate wouldn't have had a problem going to Hurley's funeral.

I'm leaning towards that casket being juliette

When I saw the casket I immediately thought Sawyer. Then when they said no one else came I immediately thought Locke. (cause that's how his life had been going. I thought it was definitely a guy in there altho I'm not sure.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

On the theme of the Oceanic 6, my wife and I were talking it through last night. We know Kate, Jack and Hurley are 3 of the 6. One of the remaining three is possibly Sawyer, as Kate mentions "he'll be looking for me" when they meet at the airport in Jack's flash forward. Desmond would not be one, as he was not on the flight. Charlie is shark food.

I say one of the remaining people is Locke. Seems odd that he would leave the island, but he makes the most sense to me for who was in the coffin, with no other visitors, and Kate's "Why would I go?" Locke is the one fighting Jack to stay, and him going to the funeral was his way of saying that Locke was right all along.

I was thinking that about Sawyer too as soon as Kate said "He'll be looking for me", I thought ...Sawyer?

I guess they aren't on great terms with Jack in the future.

Yup I thought Locke too.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

I have a feeling Claire, the baby, and Sawyer are the 6. Sawyer goes with Kate...based on my feeling that it was Sawyer who Kate had to go back to at the end of season 3.

And remember Desmond's vision? Doesn't he see Claire getting on a helicopter>

Well Desmond also said that none of his visions come true if he doesn't follow exactly what happens in each part of the vision. Like Charlie dying in each of the horrible ways he saw him and at the end, a rescue. NOt sure if everything was followed to get her rescued. Altho hmmm maybe that WAS the last vision, where he saw Charlie drown. Maybe that WAS the hhelicopter vision. Hmmmm. Claire and baby would not make an interesting 5 and 6 tho.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

well I generally liked the episode but I thought the whole part about Naomi, running off to the woods, leaving a false trail, climbing a tree, then falling on and keeping Kate pinned to the ground with a knife at her throat after having a knife thrown in her back...and then dying was very very lame.

*shrug* This show was nothing BUT these kind of Scoocy Doo/Scream moments

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I am intrigued by the whole Oceanic 6 though and who's in the coffin and how they died. My thoughts on that is that it had to be either Locke or Sawyer based on Jack's comment at the time. Kind of ruled out Sawyer after Kate said she had some one waiting up for her. Locke didn't seem like he'd ever leave the island willingly, but given what happened this episode Kate's reaction to Jack showing her the obituary makes more sense here. I can't imagine Ben having any family show up after spending most of his life on the island.

great minds think alike

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I don't think so, since the island story is the only one told in chronological order and doesn't focus on just one character. The flashbacks and flashforwards have all come out of chronological order, and only focus on 1 person.

Funny you were talking about this only a couple short episodes before the episode I just watched with Jin and SUN in flashbacks/flashforwards, respectively.

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

Smoke monsters, polar bears, Locke's dad showing up . . . I stopped expecting stuff to make sense a long time ago.

Anyway it's just what I done read.

Yup. Agree. If anyone watches Lost thinking ONE THING is stupid/doesn't make sense, then they should go back to watching football.

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Same here.

Some good acting and somewhat chilling moments, but all and all it just seemed to add more loose ends.

I really hope the show doesn't go back to the every other episode split between the two (Locke group and Jack group) groups, like it did when Jack/Sawyer/Kate were captured in season 2.

One thing I noticed, that I thought was odd, was that Harold Perrineaux (sp?), the actor that played Michael, was in the credits but didn't appear to be in the show.

Yup. Echoed my thoughts here. I totally was confused/in dread about that but forgot about it when I just never saw him show up. I think they should have kept him out of the credits until the episode after the reveal on the ship.

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

If the writer strike does end this upcoming week, rumor is we'll get more episodes of Lost this year

WHoa! There was a writer's strike during this show? SUckage. So season 2/3 were written by scabs?

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Ken Leung did a terrific job last night. It seems as if they've really sped up the development of the story this season, which is good. Before, we'd get four episodes of flashbacks for each of the new characters. Last night we got one episode with four different flashbacks.

Yup. I said that too. Leung was fricking awesome! Really seeing him was the moment the show got back to being really good.

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Because you are a nerdy scientist?

No since she never really talked to them on the phone. Remember, Naomi was on the same helicopter ride as all the other people. And she didn't talk on the sat phone all that much, because (a.) she was knocked out upside down in a tree. and (b.) someone decided to kill her by throwing a knife at her before she was able to say much of anything to her people once they were able to get signal.

Are you sure you are watching this TV show?

HAHAHAHAHA Bickering amongst Lost fans. HAHAHAHA LOVE IT!

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Agreed totally. The Aaron thing was out of left field.

Aaron? Huh? Aaron who?

I stopped reading at that point because basically you guys had stopped actually talking about the episode and started posting out and out spoilers even before the next episodes were aired/talked about :P

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

A big shout out to Jeff Fahey, the burnout helicopter pilot. I remember him from Lawnmower man with Pierce Brosnan, and Silverado and a bunch of other little shit. Those big blue eyes.
He ended up playing bad guys a lot.

Always liked the character of Frank.

Also, Kevin Durand (Keamy) is downright freaky looking

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I have a new favorite episode! The Constant is one of the most brilliant episodes of TV I have seen in a long time. Just fucking great scifi and great creative writing. And also makes me like Faraday a lot.

Just a beautiful episode!

I had forgotten about that one as you just kindof get lost trying to rush through the later seasons to see the ending. But definitely an excellent episode.

One thing that I find weird. Harold Perrineau is in the cast.
Um....uh oh. Are we going to be seeing flash forwards of Michael screaming down the street toward the school bus, "WAAAAAAAALT! You forgot your lunch!"

Funny that this came a couple of posts before "I forgot about Walt!"

SI

[CrimsonFox]

Goddamnit Ben, stop getting people killed you bastard!

[CrimsonFox]

Actually Michael DEFINITELY is getting his comeuppance for killin all dose people!

Glad there has been consequences at least. And the LIbby's ghost woowoowoo.

hahahah I love Sayid. Turnin Michael in
hahahahaha this should be int4resting...although I have a BIG feeling the captain already knows.