The 2010 FIFA World Cup thread (will contain spoilers)

[whomario]

2 great games today so far, there´s hope yet !

[Easy Mac]

5 minutes of extra time in the Suiss-Spain match. That's how you know its an english referee. I wonder if he thinks Man U is playing.

[DaddyTorgo]

WOW

WAR SWITZERLAND!!!!!

[RendeR]

SWWWWIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!

[Galaxy]

Go Swiss!


The possibility of Spain vs. Brazil in the Round of 16 would be quite a shock to the WC.

[Eaglesfan27]

That was a fun match to watch once the goal opened things up.

[Crapshoot]

Spain is back to being the Spain of old eh?

[ISiddiqui]

Holy crap, according to the numbers, Spain just dominated Switzerland, but couldn't score and ended up losing.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Holy crap, according to the numbers, Spain just dominated Switzerland, but couldn't score and ended up losing.

SI should archive the stats from this game. Every time someone complains on the FM boards about "I dominated the game and never scored, my opponent NEVER had the ball and never shot and won, wtf!?!!?", they could post the link to this match.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I feel a little better now about drawing Switzerland in the blind pull betting pool I am in.

[JPhillips]

At least the Spanish don't have to wait for the Quarters to be disappointed.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

At least the Spanish don't have to wait for the Quarters to be disappointed.

Bring on Brazil!

[Icy]

Shit im devastated as every spanish fan, we always play great football but always lose the same way.

[sterlingice]

The good news about this is that Spain will have to play a really open style for its next couple of games if it wants to move on

SI

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

SI should archive the stats from this game. Every time someone complains on the FM boards about "I dominated the game and never scored, my opponent NEVER had the ball and never shot and won, wtf!?!!?", they could post the link to this match.

Yes

[whomario]

for the real world cup feeling : Vuvuzela Time! - View any website like you're at the South Africa World Cup!




2 great games and now the hosts who need to win, hope we get the tripple today

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Horse shit. this is exactly how the last World cup looked. The ball is NOT the problem. The only people with anything to bitch about the ball is the goal keepers. Because the ball doesn't spin as much on a hard shot and tends to knuckle as it flies.

The rest is just normal footy, if they were making all the plays you mention as regularly as you seem to think they should the scores would be 10-9 every game.

By my count there were 40 goals at this stage in 2006 compared to 25 this year. Whatever the cause this has been a historically poor start to a WC in terms of attacking football.

I've also heard multiple complaints about the ball from outfield players, which is a first. You think not being able to make the ball spin as much doesn't affect the players more than the goalies? Have you seen a decent free kick yet in the entire tourney?

edit to fix stupid iphone formatting

[MJ4H]

So epically stupid to not make a standardized ball and stick to it.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by whomario

for the real world cup feeling : Vuvuzela Time! - View any website like you're at the South Africa World Cup!




2 great games and now the hosts who need to win, hope we get the tripple today

Link fail

[cartman]

Beautiful shot from just outside the box by Diego Forlan dips at the last second and goes in off the crossbar.

[cthomer5000]

I've said i think South Africa likely blew it by not winning that first game... and it's looking to be the case now. I just think they failed to take advantage of the "opening game magic" and now are just going to be exposed as not good enough to get out of their pretty tough group.

[Alan T]

That Swiss win really probably just sunk my wife's hopes of Chile passing to the next round. Even though it was a long shot at the start anyways, now it is much more so I imagine.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

That Swiss win really probably just sunk my wife's hopes of Chile passing to the next round. Even though it was a long shot at the start anyways, now it is much more so I imagine.

Good point. That sucks. Chile is fun to watch.

[bhlloy]

You don't think Chile has a chance of beating the Swiss? Great result today but not a very impressive team overall and Senderos could be out for a while.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

You don't think Chile has a chance of beating the Swiss? Great result today but not a very impressive team overall and Senderos could be out for a while.

Exactly. Chile's chance really come down to beating the Swiss. Do that, and Chile will advance (and Spain might be sweating, lol--sorry, Icy, I only laugh as a general fan of Cup "chaos").

[mckerney]

Awesome to see South Africa have their keeper sent off and Uruguay go up 2-0.

[Alan T]

I'm not a big soccer person so correct me if I'm wrong, but if Chile beats the Swiss (which prior to today's game was supposedly going to be difficult for them anyways), that still likely sets up a three way tie right? Who then decides who goes on? point differential or what?

[Logan]

Goal differential I believe, and then goals scored?

[bhlloy]

Goal difference I believe, then goals scored, then head to head?

I wish the first 2 were the other way round, that might lead to more attacking play

[digamma]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Awesome to see South Africa have their keeper sent off and Uruguay go up 2-0.

That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I clearly don't understand soccer rules, but if a goalie can get a red card for that play, I'm not sure I want to make the effort.

[ISiddiqui]

Seriously... take the goal, and keep yourself at 11 men to give yourself at least a shot of getting a goal back to lessen the goal differential.

3-0 Uruguay and SA looks in bad shape.

[AlexB]

I'm not convinced that the Uruguayan #7 didn't touch the ball on the way through, which would have put Suarez offside... But no-one on the TV here seems to have noticed it.

Wouldn't have made any difference anyway - SA were poor

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Goal difference I believe, then goals scored, then head to head?

I wish the first 2 were the other way round, that might lead to more attacking play

Yup, those are the tie-breakers.

[MIJB#19]

South Africa still has a longshot scenario, but they'll need a France-Mexico draw, to beat France and have Mexico not beat Uruguay. I really don't see them go through in any other scenario (as others will require them having a better goal difference than one of the three other teams.)


In the Swiss/Chile argument, why couldn't they both advance? If they draw in their next match (they play hth in their next match), they'll both need just a draw in the last match to advance.
Another possible scenario is Chile beating Switzerland and Spain beating Chile, with all three beating Honduras. In that scenario, Spain will most likely have the goal differencial advantage and Chile likely needs to beat the Swiss by 2 goals to stand a chance to advance, or pray for a Switzerland-Honduras draw.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

I'm not convinced that the Uruguayan #7 didn't touch the ball on the way through, which would have put Suarez offside... But no-one on the TV here seems to have noticed it.

Both the Dutch and the Belgian (Flemish) coverage were all over that offsideness. Factor in the Gerrard goal and I think you guys are getting screwed with your tv coverage over there.

[Doug5984]

Anyone know of a website with news from South Africa, an american kid was killed there yestreday (her brother in ICU) both went to my high school- and we can't find anything online about the accident.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Both the Dutch and the Belgian (Flemish) coverage were all over that offsideness. Factor in the Gerrard goal and I think you guys are getting screwed with your tv coverage over there.

Just nice to know I'm not going mad!

[Galaxy]

I wonder how the divisions will look in the Pac 12.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I wonder how the divisions will look in the Pac 12.

I think it'd be a pretty tough travel budget to have Uruguay and South Africa in the same division year after year

SI

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I think it'd be a pretty tough travel budget to have Uruguay and South Africa in the same division year after year

SI

I almost quoted and answered his post before I realized it was the wrong thread

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Doug5984

Anyone know of a website with news from South Africa, an american kid was killed there yestreday (her brother in ICU) both went to my high school- and we can't find anything online about the accident.

damn, that sucks ...

do you know what city/region it happened ? I´ve got a ton of newspaper with online-stories stored as bookmark dating back to me doing a paper on south african economy a few years back.

the national (more or less) papers i´ve got :

Star (The Star)
http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Default.aspx?id=127724 (Sowetan)
Mail & Guardian Online: The smart news source (Mail & Guardian)

one thing i found (14 year old fell hiking down table mountain) : http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...1342942C315943

[Doug5984]

Originally Posted by whomario

damn, that sucks ...

do you know what city/region it happened ? I´ve got a ton of newspaper with online-stories stored as bookmark dating back to me doing a paper on south african economy a few years back.

the national (more or less) papers i´ve got :

Star (The Star)
http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Default.aspx?id=127724 (Sowetan)
Mail & Guardian Online: The smart news source (Mail & Guardian)

one thing i found (14 year old fell hiking down table mountain) : http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...1342942C315943

Thanks for the links, nothing yet on them...

Our local news is just now reporting her death, and the brother is in ICU..they are also reporting the younger sister was struck as well but no other information

[Ryan S]

Originally Posted by digamma

That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I clearly don't understand soccer rules, but if a goalie can get a red card for that play, I'm not sure I want to make the effort.

The law direct from FIFA

(15) If, in the opinion of the referee, a player who is moving toward his opponent's goal with an obvious opportunity to score a goal is intentionally impeded by an opponent, through unlawful means, i.e. an offense punishable by a free kick (or a PK), thus denying the attacking player's team the aforesaid goal-scoring opportunity, the offending player shall be sent off the field of play for serious foul play in accordance with Law 12(n).

It was obviously a goalscoring opportunity, and as soon as the referee had decided it was a foul, he had no choice but to send off the goalkeeper.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Doug5984

Anyone know of a website with news from South Africa, an american kid was killed there yestreday (her brother in ICU) both went to my high school- and we can't find anything online about the accident.

My sister in laws boyfriend is from there. I sent a text to ask if he knows any online news outlets. I'll let you know what he says.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Ryan S

The law direct from FIFA

(15) If, in the opinion of the referee, a player who is moving toward his opponent's goal with an obvious opportunity to score a goal is intentionally impeded by an opponent, through unlawful means, i.e. an offense punishable by a free kick (or a PK), thus denying the attacking player's team the aforesaid goal-scoring opportunity, the offending player shall be sent off the field of play for serious foul play in accordance with Law 12(n).

It was obviously a goalscoring opportunity, and as soon as the referee had decided it was a foul, he had no choice but to send off the goalkeeper.

I actually think that does give the referee a choice. He has to determine that the player was "intentionally impeded." What happens if he is impeded but it wasn't intentional (the goalkeeper is making a play for the ball but gets there a little late)? There seems to be room for that under the rule.

Or is that not a penalty at all, which may be another problem?

It seems like, if my read of the rule is correct (admittedly in the abstract and without the context of the other rules), there should be room for a penalty, with a penalty kick, that doesn't result in a red card.

I'm just trying to understand if I should hate the ref or the rule.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm a hater, those fucking horns need to go.

+1 billion

[EagleFan]

dola: Horns that ruin the experience seem to be fine, yet 30 Danish women in "mini dresses" leads to arrests... that makes sense...

[Ryan S]

Originally Posted by digamma

I actually think that does give the referee a choice. He has to determine that the player was "intentionally impeded." What happens if he is impeded but it wasn't intentional (the goalkeeper is making a play for the ball but gets there a little late)? There seems to be room for that under the rule.

Or is that not a penalty at all, which may be another problem?

It seems like, if my read of the rule is correct (admittedly in the abstract and without the context of the other rules), there should be room for a penalty, with a penalty kick, that doesn't result in a red card.

I'm just trying to understand if I should hate the ref or the rule.

I think you need to hate the rule. If the last man commits a foul on a clear goal scoring opportunity, the referee must send him off. If the Uruguay player had been running away from goal or had less control of the ball, the GK may have got away with a yellow card.

[sterlingice]

If you hadn't already seen this



SI

[miami_fan]

Vuvuzela Horns May Spread to English Stadiums After World Cup - BusinessWeek

une 16 (Bloomberg) -- Vuvuzelas, the foot-long trumpets that are creating the buzz at the World Cup in South Africa, may spread to English soccer stadiums next season, players and officials say.

The plastic horns are set to sell out at U.K. supermarket J. Sainsbury Plc, which has sold 50,000 of the 70,000 it purchased, Chief Executive Justin King said on a call with journalists today. There are no rules banning musical instruments from Premier League stadiums, league spokesman Nick Noble said.

“It will be down to stadium managers, in consultation with supporter groups, to determine what is appropriate,” the league said in a statement.