Werewolf XXXIII: To Crown a King 2 (Game Over)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Nothing solid, but if Bek needed replacing, he probably was NOT an assasin. Assasins wouldn't need to check in every night. I'm going to guess he has a different role.

It's more important for an assassin to check in every night than it is for an average player, but I don't really see what that has to do with Bek getting replaced.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You made a few remarks yesterday that caught my eye. One in particular about your trust list. I had been giving you the benefit of the doubt yesterday as hoops voted bullet for voting you, saying "you voted someone i trust." I had assumed this meant you 2 were in the same faction. Today, it has become quite clear that is not the case. I know you are not apart of my faction. Couple those 2 items with the knowledge i feel i gained from one of your posts in particular last night you are my top suspect.

It appears dodgerchick is associating with you now, but you remain my #1. Is that explanation sufficient?

I see. As usual you are most suspicious of people who post most, when in almost every game the wolves are the people who don't post - at all. What do you think you learned from this mysterious post I made last night? And which post is it?

By the way, I don't know a single person in my faction OTHER than my faction leader. I have been saying that since yesterday. If I were an assasin, why would I play that way?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Is this maggot yours? No.

I think it was an oversight, we might be reading too much into this. But then again, anything is possible.

You weren't supposed to make it blindingly obvious.

(Not that I mind... it helps me...)

[RealDeal]

unvote jail bek

since he's no longer in the game

vote jail Sndvls

The moderator decided to replace bek right away, but not king? And there was no kill last night? I'm wondering if sndvls may be stepping into an assasin's shoes.

vote execute bulletsponge

will give us some info, at a minimum.

[kingfc22]

Sorry guys. Had a crazy day at work yesterday then I hurt my knee during a softball game at night. Didn't really feel like reading all these posts in a WW game.

Did BK post the point totals? Or did I miss it in the rules somewhere that he won't be posting these?

Jail Lathum

I'm not sure if he is an assasin or not but I have better reads on other players who I feel are nobles.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

It's more important for an assassin to check in every night than it is for an average player, but I don't really see what that has to do with Bek getting replaced.

It's more important for the ASSASINS, not an individual assasin. I know when I ran a game, one of the wolves spent several days completely offline.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, it probably helps the other members of your faction too.

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I switched off Blade yesterday because I had found some potential affiliations around him as the day unfolded. That does not mean that I absolutely trust him.

I have a higher level of trust for Cronin than I do for Blade at this point in the game. I held the same opinion before Dodgerchick aligned herself with Cronin.

I didn't want there to be an assumption that I have "cleared" anyone as of yet, but there are varying levels of trust.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

It's more important for the ASSASINS, not an individual assasin. I know when I ran a game, one of the wolves spent several days completely offline.

That's very dangerous. I remember a game (not sure, offhand, who ran it) that collapsed because the bad guys all managed to go inactive at once over a period of a day or two.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Did BK post the point totals? Or did I miss it in the rules somewhere that he won't be posting these?

Point totals will be posted after we execute bulletsponge.

Don't forget to cast your execute/no execute/free vote.

[Abe Sargent]

Complex stuff to get caught up on. I'm not sure where to go today. Hmm.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Did BK post the point totals? Or did I miss it in the rules somewhere that he won't be posting these?

Ah, nevermind. Found the info I needed.

[st.cronin]

Potential affiliations could work both ways, though. Wouldn't it make sense for the assasins to pretend to be just another faction? And play that way?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by RealDeal

The moderator decided to replace bek right away, but not king?

I didnt understand this move either...

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Potential affiliations could work both ways, though. Wouldn't it make sense for the assasins to pretend to be just another faction? And play that way?

The trick, of course, is pulling it off.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Brian, my thoughts on this are that it would be better for two people to be linked to a common faction than to see one of their members die because we are about to jail/execute the wrong person. Obviously others may have a different view on this issue and will act accordingly. But if push comes to shove for me, I am quite sure I would speak up on behalf of "Player X" if they were going to be endangered.

Releasing that kind of information is not 100% bad. It puts the assassins in an interesting spot because they don't want any kind of villager linkage to be out there publicly. This leads to "trust lists", which remain the biggest threat to them. Everyone has their own faction trust list, but now many people would have an expanding trust list beyond their own faction. That would absolutely have to factor into night decisions for the assassins.

Anyways, I'm not telling someone to reveal a role/faction here. Just laying out my thoughts on the matter in broad terms. Personally, it would be very convenient for me to have someone align themselves with Bullet to save me the negative points if he is indeed a noble. But everyone is going to make what they feel is the right decision with the information they have. Just like in every other WW game.

Free Bulletsponge
Jail st.cronin

[st.cronin]

Interesting.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Interesting.

Indeed.

[Abe Sargent]

Did Brian D just imply he is in the same faction ass bullet? I think so.

Free Bulletsponge

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE EXECUTE BULLETSPONGE

VOTE NO EXECUTION

So, currently I have bullet staying in jail and Blade joining him. I will probably NOT be around at deadline.

[kingfc22]

I'll go along with this for now.

FREE BULLETSPONGE

[Barkeep49]

Only saw one thing besides this hideous new forum.

I replaced Bek because he asked to be replaced. IF someone hadn't bene around after today I'd have chosen to replace him. So Bek was replaced only because he bowed out voluntarily

[Chief Rum]

Still hours away from deadline and lots to catch up on.

Do we really need to consider the value of executing bulletsponge for the points revelation? Or do we accept Brian's ploy as support for bulletsponge as a member of his faction?

BrianD, could you explain your move alittle further?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Only saw one thing besides this hideous new forum.

I replaced Bek because he asked to be replaced. IF someone hadn't bene around after today I'd have chosen to replace him. So Bek was replaced only because he bowed out voluntarily

Wow, last time i talked to bek 2 days ago he was rearing and ready to go. He even is in transition between jobs and has free time....wonder why he dropped.

[hoopsguy]

I'm willing to accept Brian's action as vouching for Bullet.

FREE BULLETSPONGE

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think jailing st.cronin is a mistake.

Also, I'm not going to follow a vote without some justification for it.

[st.cronin]

Wait ... why do we neccesarily want to FREE bulletsponge? I can understand not executing him, but isn't it to our advantage to leave him in jail for the time being?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wait ... why do we neccesarily want to FREE bulletsponge? I can understand not executing him, but isn't it to our advantage to leave him in jail for the time being?

How would that be to our advantage?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I think jailing st.cronin is a mistake.

Also, I'm not going to follow a vote without some justification for it.

I suppose you would think that...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by BrianD

How would that be to our advantage?

Well, it wouldn't be to YOUR advantage, since he's apparently in your faction. But it would be to the advantage of the other factions. Unless I'm overlooking something.

[hoopsguy]

Brian, I am curious why you chose Cronin as the person to jail. As far as I can tell, he is a member of the most clearly defined faction in the game right now.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, it wouldn't be to YOUR advantage, since he's apparently in your faction. But it would be to the advantage of the other factions. Unless I'm overlooking something.

+.5 points for any person who votes to free a noble who is in jail, if that noble is freed

Seems like other nobles would want this.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - and one of the earliest defined factions based on their clue from Day 1.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Brian, I am curious why you chose Cronin as the person to jail. As far as I can tell, he is a member of the most clearly defined faction in the game right now.

You are right. I remembered that when Wednesday jumped to his defense. I will need to figure out who to vote for in his place.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wait ... why do we neccesarily want to FREE bulletsponge? I can understand not executing him, but isn't it to our advantage to leave him in jail for the time being?

Members of his faction, and factions that tolerate his faction, should vote to free him, because it earns them points.

For everyone else, it's a neutral action as far as points are concerned, and basically a neutral action in other respects as well.

If you're not an assassin and really think that he's not an assassin, you're probably better off voting to free him, because you lose nothing if he's not tolerated and you gain if he's tolerated or in your own faction.

[Blade6119]

VOTE FREE BULLETSPONGE

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, actually, I got that wrong. It's a bonus for all nobles to vote to free him if he's a noble, with an additional bonus if he's tolerated or within your own faction.

[BrianD]

So who is worthy of a jailing? I've got about 90 minutes before I am done for the night, so I have to figure out whom to vote for.

[SnDvls]

Please quite posting so new nobles to the game like me can get caught up. I'm almost there now thanks

[st.cronin]

Ok, I'm convinced.

VOTE FREE BULLET

[SnDvls]

dola - damn

quit posting not quite

[Mr. Wednesday]

Heck if I know. Maybe the quiet types... e.g. Lathum didn't do anything aside from vote to jail me on day 1... I'm a little skittish about putting too much trust in any one person (especially one who I do not believe to be in my own faction), but I'd be interested in hoops's perspective on the matter.

[SnDvls]

finally caught up...ya me.

[Chief Rum]

I want to see Brian say Bullet is in his faction. I see his action, and a lot of supposition by us, but Brian himself is saying nothing else.

[st.cronin]

I'm still wondering what information Blade gleaned from one of my posts "last night." The last thing I remember wondering about is if bullet would be able to get messages or not. I was anticipating something like what BrianD is doing, and I was curious how we would know if BrianD was on the up and up. I still don't see it.

[Lorena]

I have asked Barkeep to remove me from the game. It's not fair to my teammates if I half-ass read anything posted on here and it seems I have costed them the game. Oh well, I gave it a try and it was fun.

Sorry to have messed it up

[hoopsguy]

As of right now, I really don't know who I would vote for.

Qwikshot and Lonestargirl are both affiliated with the "faction tell" that I consider the least likely to be real and neither have posted much up to this point.

I'm obviously a little skittish about people who hit me up with votes yesterday, given that I know I'm not an assassin - that would be Chief Rum, Blade, and WVUFan. Two of those were removed; I don't take Chief not removing the vote as a sign of being more/less likely.

I'm really going to need to try and understand how BrianD knew that Bullet was in his faction. If Bullet was a faction leader I think that others would have been louder yesterday trying to save him. Not asking for that information to be publicly revealed, but if I'm able to figure out the connection it will help me make better votes going forward.

[hoopsguy]

Dodgerchick, maybe you are seeing something that I'm not but I have no idea how you have cost your teammates the game.

You may have put a little bit of a target on them for night kills early on, but I would be surprised if the assassins stay on one team the whole way. It makes it too easy for the other teams to accumulate points if they stay on one team.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

I have asked Barkeep to remove me from the game. It's not fair to my teammates if I half-ass read anything posted on here and it seems I have costed them the game. Oh well, I gave it a try and it was fun.

Sorry to have messed it up

huh?

[Lathum]

I may have missed something but is it possible St, Cronin didn't receive a message because bulltsponge is his faction leader but was jailed?