WW CVI: Evil Star Trek--GAME OVER!! (Results in Post #643) - Page 9

hoopsguy · 11-11-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

vote count?

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

KWhit is up 4-3 with me and JAG left to vote?

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

and me jackal

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

how you feeling DT?

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i don't feel particularly hot about either candidate and with people tossing my name around i'm sitting here evaluating how my possible votes could be used against me tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

if i think they're both villagers i guess the vote for kwhit tells us more about the voters there? i'm not sure...

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Originally Posted by Danny

Unvote Jackal
Vote Hoops

Not sure about this vote, but there's obviously no support for Jackal, also considering switching to Lerriuqs.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

In the interest of preventing a tie, and the fact I think hoops hasn't done anything suspicious enough to not let him live another day..

VOTE KWHIT

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Yes, there's also that, DT.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

i'm keeping my eye on you danny

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i guess - to avoid a tie and for that reason

VOTE KWHIT

Maybe this will help jog memory? Here are all the posts prior to it where you are talking with Jackal.

Danny's vote ties it at 4-4, best I can tell. Everything else is your conversation with Jackal.

DaddyTorgo · 11-11-2009, 10:37 PM

okay...then fair enough...i can see how it appears that way. i guess the other conversation i was having might have been with lathum or maybe in my own head. so i guess there is just my word that that is how i was leaning...

hoopsguy · 11-11-2009, 10:43 PM

Anyway, I'll likely hold off until tomorrow on voting to see if we have any meaningful role information to help with the decision.

DT, I appreciate you taking time tonight to give your thoughts since your schedule is going to be hectic tomorrow.

Darth Vilus · 11-12-2009, 12:55 AM

whoa, not the best of days but not the worst. We lost the bodyguard, ugh! And J23, what the heck bro? I really didn't feel strong enough that Lathum was a wolf to waste a power on it. Maybe u saw something I didn't though.

Darth Vilus · 11-12-2009, 01:33 AM

and i know my last post was no where near being grammatically correct but cut me some slack, i had a hard day

lerriuqs · 11-12-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, this was the post that made me have bad vibes on Lerri earlier.
1.) Feels like he wants the showdown between me + KWhit
2.) Makes statement that we were villager/villager yesterday without suggesting why he feels that way - I think Lerriuqs would normally do so as a villager.
3.) Somewhat apologetic sounding vote ... "gee, I'm forced to do this because this is the runoffs others created, even though I don't have a vote count, but I believe the one guy so the other guy is the best bet"

Ummm...what?

1. Based on what? I reviewed the posts through the day to that point and most of the talk was revolving around you two. How does that look like I wanted the showdown between you and Kwhit?
2. I already had stated it. I made this post over a day ago in response to Danny's post.

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Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Given the lack of movement, you're probably right.

3. As for this - whatever. Believe what you like. You're wrong here.

I'm out for the night. I'll try and check in tomorrow morning and see where things sit.

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 06:18 AM

oi! anyone wanna give me a run down? who are the wolves?

as i read the rules, if your evil your a vilegar? so we need to kill the good ones? kinda odd... also looks like things arent going well

normally i would blame that on lathum, but hes dead.

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 06:20 AM

I know nothing or startrek, and agree with lathum that it was a pretty crappy show, and for some reason, the new movie was watchable!

also I have hockey tonight (dunno how the sunday league is playing thursday night....) so ill only be around till 730 ish.

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 06:55 AM

ok all caught up! talk about a random game....

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 07:30 AM

you hate star trek clap? damnit...now we're going to have to lynch you!

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 07:30 AM

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 07:32 AM

okay - i need to be on the 12:35pm train and then i'll likely be out of touch until sometime close to deadline. hopefully before deadline...i can't imagine our "6pm drinks" thing will last until 9pm...

Danny · 11-12-2009, 07:49 AM

Vote DaddyTorgo

I appreciate him being responsive to concerns about him, but I need to vote early today and I think he is a good candidate. When I leave for work in 80 minutes or so I will be out pretty much until after deadline. I might have a 10 minute period around 6 eastern, but its not a guarantee.

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

you hate star trek clap? damnit...now we're going to have to lynch you!

your not allowed... its past day 1!

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 08:19 AM

so is it safe to assume Lathum and hoops have both been scanned? unless hoops was scanned first....

and what can we draw from this. probably nothing....

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Vote DaddyTorgo

I appreciate him being responsive to concerns about him, but I need to vote early today and I think he is a good candidate. When I leave for work in 80 minutes or so I will be out pretty much until after deadline. I might have a 10 minute period around 6 eastern, but its not a guarantee.

that's cool...i might have a window too but i might now...it all depends. thinking about what i'm going to do.

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 08:36 AM

it does concern me that hoops is still alive frankly, and that everybody is leaning on him so heavily seemingly

JAG · 11-12-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

so is it safe to assume Lathum and hoops have both been scanned? unless hoops was scanned first....

and what can we draw from this. probably nothing....

I know you hate Star Trek, but re: Lathum...

He's dead, Jim.

JAG · 11-12-2009, 09:45 AM

VOTE DT

I still think there is a reasonable possibility that one of Darth / Telle (clap) is a wolf and one of dubb / DT / lerriuqs as well based on my page 6 analysis. I think hoops' point that a wolf would have been likely to have been on DT is not unreasonable. So therefore I'm killing two birds with one vote so to speak.

dubb93 · 11-12-2009, 10:33 AM

In the interest of being evil...

Vote Clap

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

VOTE DT

I still think there is a reasonable possibility that one of Darth / Telle (clap) is a wolf and one of dubb / DT / lerriuqs as well based on my page 6 analysis. I think hoops' point that a wolf would have been likely to have been on DT is not unreasonable. So therefore I'm killing two birds with one vote so to speak.

but you're also killing me...which I don't enjoy.

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 10:48 AM

VOTE CLAP

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 10:58 AM

wow, I have raised a lot of hackles in the 3 hours ive been here....

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

VOTE DT

I still think there is a reasonable possibility that one of Darth / Telle (clap) is a wolf and one of dubb / DT / lerriuqs as well based on my page 6 analysis. I think hoops' point that a wolf would have been likely to have been on DT is not unreasonable. So therefore I'm killing two birds with one vote so to speak.

hmmm, I dont see it, but i had to read the whole game in 30 min, maybe i need to reread to get some of this.. I am however not a wolf.

dubb93 · 11-12-2009, 11:04 AM

Unvote Clap

Vote DT

Not sure why you followed my meaningless vote here without explanation yourself. Double standards FTW.

lerriuqs · 11-12-2009, 11:06 AM

Gee, DT is sure digging himself a hole today...Looking for any way to get out?

Have we found ourselves a wolf?

Vote DT

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Unvote Clap

Vote DT

Not sure why you followed my meaningless vote here without explanation yourself. Double standards FTW.

self-preservation

JAG · 11-12-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I am however not a wolf.

Awesome, well that clears that up then.

(in all seriousness though, of the people I listed, I think 2-3 rate as more suspicious).

Post 283 is where I laid down my thought process.

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 11:07 AM

dubb93 · 11-12-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Gee, DT is sure digging himself a hole today...Looking for any way to get out?

Have we found ourselves a wolf?

Vote DT

Yea, none to happy here that if he is infact a wolf he tried to bring me down with him.

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

That's not at all what I was saying actually, although since you brought it up...in my limited WW experience I do think people hold them in an overly high regard than they should be. Maybe it's just because I've been a villager in a couple games recently (soccer, Nazi) where voting record did not help in finding the last wolf, or like the Scooby game where I was a villager with the worst voting record towards the end of the game and lynched for it. Wolves know how to be sneaky, especially most of the people here who are extremely experienced and know the same general wisdom everyone else knows.

Anyway, to get back from waxing philosophically, I don't see myself voting for hoops or KWhit because I feel they're both villagers. Despite what I said earlier, seeing that I have little else to go on at this point (believing we were v-v D1), I find myself drifting towards what Danny said regarding wolves wanting to set candidates. That being the case, let's look at the opening voting:

82 - Dubb votes JAG (1-0)
85 - Lathum votes Telle (1-1 JAG/Telle)
87 - PB votes Darth (1-1-1 JAG/Telle/Darth)
88 - Dubb unvotes JAG (1-1 Telle/Darth)
91 - Hoops votes KWhit (1-1-1 Telle/Darth/KWhit)
106 - Darth votes NTN (1-1-1-1 Telle/Darth/KWhit/NTN)
109 - Danny votes J23 (1-1-1-1-1 Telle/Darth/KWhit/NTN/J23)

So Dubb opens voting on me (though he takes it back), Lathum adds another candidate but in my experience it's not unusual for him to vote early either wolf or villager, PB votes Darth, Darth votes ntn, and (ironically) Danny introduces J23. Later we get this:

112 - J23 votes NTN (2-1-1-1-1 NTN over Telle/Darth/KWhit/J23)
117 - Lerri votes KWhit (2-2-1-1-1 NTN/KWhit over Telle/Darth/J23)
125 - Dubb votes NTN (3-2-1-1-1 NTN over KWhit over Telle/Darth/J23)
129 - DT votes KWhit (3-3-1-1-1 NTN/KWhit over Telle/Darth/J23)

Very quickly, we moved away from Darth / J23 / Telle as potential candidates. Maybe that's a coincidence, but if one of them is a wolf, one of the group that voted 2nd / 3rd on KWhit / ntn could be in cohoots with them.

Now that's a broad stroke of people admittedly, but it's better for me than blindly picking someone. Now I have to leave work, but I will probably aim for someone in that group after I give it some more thought.

hmmmm

JAG · 11-12-2009, 11:12 AM

DT, if you're not a wolf, you may as well come out with it at this point. I'm willing to hold off voting you for now.

UNVOTE DT

hoopsguy · 11-12-2009, 11:14 AM

I think this is the right vote count, as of Post #430:

DT - Danny (413), JAG (419), Dubb (425), Lerri (426)
Clap - DT (422)

JAG · 11-12-2009, 11:17 AM

Before someone asks (or maybe not because this'll take me a bit to put together):

1. I feel like the voting is going too easily (especially with a couple of my suspicious people jumping on the bandwagon).

2. DT has struck me as a villager with a role. I'm sure I can't be the only one who noticed this so I feel like we may as well get mileage out of this information and move on to other suspects because we can't fool around today. And if he's lying, the real role can step forward at some point and we can be sure of nailing a wolf one way or another.

hoopsguy · 11-12-2009, 11:17 AM

I'm holding off on voting DT right now, even though that was my inclination heading into today. I'm not sure enough he is the guy that I want to push him into a 5-1 lead.

I'm still looking at either him or Lerriuqs for the vote. And I'm a little concerned that Lerriuqs has not gotten a single vote. I'm curious how people are making their distinctions between those two candidates and me, since others do not know for sure that I'm a villager.

If you are voting for DT other than reasons around the "wolves would have had at least one vote on KWhit D1" then what are those reasons?

hoopsguy · 11-12-2009, 11:20 AM

For what it is worth, Danny seems to have pretty much locked into DT while excluding Lerri. This goes back to yesterday afternoon when he suggested that it might be worth following Lathum's vibe on DT once we saw that Lathum was a villager. I think this will look very good for Danny if DT ends up being a wolf or very bad for him if DT ends up being a villager.

I still have not figured out where to put Danny in terms of trust, so my perception that he is "protecting" Lerriuqs is coloring my thinking on the candidates a bit.

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2009, 11:23 AM

gotta jet. hope to be back at some point before deadline

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm holding off on voting DT right now, even though that was my inclination heading into today. I'm not sure enough he is the guy that I want to push him into a 5-1 lead.

I'm still looking at either him or Lerriuqs for the vote. And I'm a little concerned that Lerriuqs has not gotten a single vote. I'm curious how people are making their distinctions between those two candidates and me, since others do not know for sure that I'm a villager.

If you are voting for DT other than reasons around the "wolves would have had at least one vote on KWhit D1" then what are those reasons?

wolves rarely know who the cultist is....

hoopsguy · 11-12-2009, 11:29 AM

Clap, how does the cultist matter for today's vote? I'm pretty sure I missed whatever point you were making in the above post.

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 11:42 AM

in the post of yours i quoted, the last sentace, said "If you are voting for DT other than reasons around the "wolves would have had at least one vote on KWhit D1" then what are those reasons?" but if the wolves had no idea who the cultist was.... then how could they have at least one vote on him?

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 11:43 AM

of course i could have missed something in the rules...

hoopsguy · 11-12-2009, 11:56 AM

Clap, as far as the wolves knew on D1 it was a villager/villager runoffs. Two leading candidates, one with 7 votes (NTN) and the other with 5 votes (KWhit). Those were all of the votes that day, with the exception of Danny on J23 and I think PB on someone else (going from memory there).

Normal wolf play under those circumstances is to split the votes among the leaders ... easier to hide that way. But there are only three people left alive that voted on KWhit from D1: me, DT, and Lerriuqs.

So, based on my premise - that at least one wolf voted for KWhit on D1 - I've got at least a 50/50 shot here in voting for DT or Lerriuqs. I've got better odds than you or the others because I know that I'm a villager. Lerriuqs and DT (whichever one is a villager) should feel the same way as I do and be looking at their 50/50 option. Other villagers should feel like it is a 33%+ proposition (maybe 66%?) and determine if they think it is their best option today or if there is another road that looks more promising.

claphamsa · 11-12-2009, 12:03 PM

oh, ok that makes sense then

The Jackal · 11-12-2009, 12:14 PM

Strange early runaway on DT. He's a fair candidate, yes, but let's not make it too easy, especially when we have no massively compelling evidence.

The Jackal · 11-12-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

wolves rarely know who the cultist is....

he wasn't making a point about KWhit being the cultist, just that KWhit was the other person in the running besides NTN day 1

The Jackal · 11-12-2009, 12:33 PM

Ah, I see hoops already answered you quite elaborately. FWIW I am leaning towards a KWhit voter myself.

JAG · 11-12-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Ah, I see hoops already answered you quite elaborately. FWIW I am leaning towards a KWhit voter myself.

Are you looking at KWhit voters for some broader reason or are you saying there's a specific KWhit voter you're leaning towards voting?

hoopsguy · 11-12-2009, 01:34 PM

I may come back to this later, but for now:

VOTE LERRIUQS

The Jackal · 11-12-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Are you looking at KWhit voters for some broader reason or are you saying there's a specific KWhit voter you're leaning towards voting?

Broad reasoning. I don't think all three wolves would've been on the same candidate on day 1 when there were two villagers on the block. Doesn't make much sense. Suppose they could be trying to pull a fast one, though.

JAG · 11-12-2009, 01:43 PM

I agree with you that with no other evidence to go on that I'd rather go with that assumption. I asked you that because for some reason I thought you meant you were looking at ntn voters and I wanted to understand the reasoning. My misunderstanding there.

11-11-2009, 10:37 PM	#402
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	okay...then fair enough...i can see how it appears that way. i guess the other conversation i was having might have been with lathum or maybe in my own head. so i guess there is just my word that that is how i was leaning... __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-12-2009, 12:55 AM	#404
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	whoa, not the best of days but not the worst. We lost the bodyguard, ugh! And J23, what the heck bro? I really didn't feel strong enough that Lathum was a wolf to waste a power on it. Maybe u saw something I didn't though. __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

11-12-2009, 01:33 AM	#405
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	and i know my last post was no where near being grammatically correct but cut me some slack, i had a hard day __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

11-12-2009, 06:18 AM	#407
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	oi! anyone wanna give me a run down? who are the wolves? as i read the rules, if your evil your a vilegar? so we need to kill the good ones? kinda odd... also looks like things arent going well normally i would blame that on lathum, but hes dead. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

11-12-2009, 06:20 AM	#408
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	I know nothing or startrek, and agree with lathum that it was a pretty crappy show, and for some reason, the new movie was watchable! also I have hockey tonight (dunno how the sunday league is playing thursday night....) so ill only be around till 730 ish. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

11-11-2009, 10:43 PM	#403
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Anyway, I'll likely hold off until tomorrow on voting to see if we have any meaningful role information to help with the decision. DT, I appreciate you taking time tonight to give your thoughts since your schedule is going to be hectic tomorrow.

11-12-2009, 06:55 AM	#409
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ok all caught up! talk about a random game.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

11-12-2009, 07:30 AM	#410
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	you hate star trek clap? damnit...now we're going to have to lynch you! __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-12-2009, 07:30 AM	#411
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	haha __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-12-2009, 07:32 AM	#412
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	okay - i need to be on the 12:35pm train and then i'll likely be out of touch until sometime close to deadline. hopefully before deadline...i can't imagine our "6pm drinks" thing will last until 9pm... __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-12-2009, 07:49 AM	#413
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Vote DaddyTorgo I appreciate him being responsive to concerns about him, but I need to vote early today and I think he is a good candidate. When I leave for work in 80 minutes or so I will be out pretty much until after deadline. I might have a 10 minute period around 6 eastern, but its not a guarantee.

11-12-2009, 08:19 AM	#415
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	so is it safe to assume Lathum and hoops have both been scanned? unless hoops was scanned first.... and what can we draw from this. probably nothing.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

11-12-2009, 08:36 AM	#417
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	it does concern me that hoops is still alive frankly, and that everybody is leaning on him so heavily seemingly __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-12-2009, 09:45 AM	#419
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	VOTE DT I still think there is a reasonable possibility that one of Darth / Telle (clap) is a wolf and one of dubb / DT / lerriuqs as well based on my page 6 analysis. I think hoops' point that a wolf would have been likely to have been on DT is not unreasonable. So therefore I'm killing two birds with one vote so to speak.

11-12-2009, 10:48 AM	#422
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	VOTE CLAP __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-12-2009, 10:58 AM	#423
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	wow, I have raised a lot of hackles in the 3 hours ive been here.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

11-12-2009, 11:06 AM	#426
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Gee, DT is sure digging himself a hole today...Looking for any way to get out? Have we found ourselves a wolf? Vote DT

11-12-2009, 11:07 AM	#429
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	__________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-12-2009, 11:12 AM	#432
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	DT, if you're not a wolf, you may as well come out with it at this point. I'm willing to hold off voting you for now. UNVOTE DT

11-12-2009, 11:14 AM	#433
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I think this is the right vote count, as of Post #430: DT - Danny (413), JAG (419), Dubb (425), Lerri (426) Clap - DT (422)

11-12-2009, 11:17 AM	#434
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Before someone asks (or maybe not because this'll take me a bit to put together): 1. I feel like the voting is going too easily (especially with a couple of my suspicious people jumping on the bandwagon). 2. DT has struck me as a villager with a role. I'm sure I can't be the only one who noticed this so I feel like we may as well get mileage out of this information and move on to other suspects because we can't fool around today. And if he's lying, the real role can step forward at some point and we can be sure of nailing a wolf one way or another.

11-12-2009, 11:17 AM	#435
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm holding off on voting DT right now, even though that was my inclination heading into today. I'm not sure enough he is the guy that I want to push him into a 5-1 lead. I'm still looking at either him or Lerriuqs for the vote. And I'm a little concerned that Lerriuqs has not gotten a single vote. I'm curious how people are making their distinctions between those two candidates and me, since others do not know for sure that I'm a villager. If you are voting for DT other than reasons around the "wolves would have had at least one vote on KWhit D1" then what are those reasons?

11-12-2009, 11:20 AM	#436
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	For what it is worth, Danny seems to have pretty much locked into DT while excluding Lerri. This goes back to yesterday afternoon when he suggested that it might be worth following Lathum's vibe on DT once we saw that Lathum was a villager. I think this will look very good for Danny if DT ends up being a wolf or very bad for him if DT ends up being a villager. I still have not figured out where to put Danny in terms of trust, so my perception that he is "protecting" Lerriuqs is coloring my thinking on the candidates a bit.

11-12-2009, 11:23 AM	#437
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	gotta jet. hope to be back at some point before deadline __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-12-2009, 11:29 AM	#439
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Clap, how does the cultist matter for today's vote? I'm pretty sure I missed whatever point you were making in the above post.

11-12-2009, 11:42 AM	#440
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	in the post of yours i quoted, the last sentace, said "If you are voting for DT other than reasons around the "wolves would have had at least one vote on KWhit D1" then what are those reasons?" but if the wolves had no idea who the cultist was.... then how could they have at least one vote on him? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

11-12-2009, 11:43 AM	#441
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	of course i could have missed something in the rules... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

11-12-2009, 11:56 AM	#442
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Clap, as far as the wolves knew on D1 it was a villager/villager runoffs. Two leading candidates, one with 7 votes (NTN) and the other with 5 votes (KWhit). Those were all of the votes that day, with the exception of Danny on J23 and I think PB on someone else (going from memory there). Normal wolf play under those circumstances is to split the votes among the leaders ... easier to hide that way. But there are only three people left alive that voted on KWhit from D1: me, DT, and Lerriuqs. So, based on my premise - that at least one wolf voted for KWhit on D1 - I've got at least a 50/50 shot here in voting for DT or Lerriuqs. I've got better odds than you or the others because I know that I'm a villager. Lerriuqs and DT (whichever one is a villager) should feel the same way as I do and be looking at their 50/50 option. Other villagers should feel like it is a 33%+ proposition (maybe 66%?) and determine if they think it is their best option today or if there is another road that looks more promising.

11-12-2009, 12:03 PM	#443
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	oh, ok that makes sense then __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

11-12-2009, 12:14 PM	#444
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Strange early runaway on DT. He's a fair candidate, yes, but let's not make it too easy, especially when we have no massively compelling evidence.

11-12-2009, 12:33 PM	#446
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Ah, I see hoops already answered you quite elaborately. FWIW I am leaning towards a KWhit voter myself.

11-12-2009, 01:34 PM	#448
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I may come back to this later, but for now: VOTE LERRIUQS

11-12-2009, 01:43 PM	#450
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I agree with you that with no other evidence to go on that I'd rather go with that assumption. I asked you that because for some reason I thought you meant you were looking at ntn voters and I wanted to understand the reasoning. My misunderstanding there.

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