Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[Neon_Chaos]

Lathum, I'm assuming that you're protecting yourself tonight?

[Raiders Army]

I'm also guessing that based on the description, Atlas killed Zeus. Atlas was the only one with Super Strength (other than Hercules).

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I missed one part of the end of the day write up which I have edited in. For those not sure what was added, it was the following line:

You are suddenly startled by loud trumpeting! From the nearby sea you suddenly see a figure rising from the depths. The sound is none other than the fanfare of the arrival of King Triton! Before you know it, Triton passes as quickly as he had arrived.

Did he really have to do a cameo?

I'm imagining a warner bros. cartoon theme, with triton holding a hat and a cane... TANTARANTAN... and he crosses the screen, only to leave.

[Raiders Army]

I'm out for the night and possibly until right before lynch tomorrow. I am not sure Telle is a Titan, but something just isn't right about her.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Voted for Telle. That's what I did.

why would you even consider going in my direction?

[hoopsguy]

Racer, can you give us a heads-up on how NTN's power worked since he put his action towards you?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Lathum, I'm assuming that you're protecting yourself tonight?

that would be the logical thing but I dunno

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Lathum

that would be the logical thing but I dunno

Good. Keep them on their toes.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Racer, can you give us a heads-up on how NTN's power worked since he put his action towards you?

Very good point. I have a vague idea of what ntn's power is... but let's see what Racer has to say.

[st.cronin]

I'm getting bad vibes from a LOT of players. I'm worried about RA, AE, Telle, Neon... DT, AC, Racer... Render...

Some of the bad vibes are probably a result of some players with individual win conditions. I'm not really sure what to do.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm getting bad vibes from a LOT of players. I'm worried about RA, AE, Telle, Neon... DT, AC, Racer... Render...

Some of the bad vibes are probably a result of some players with individual win conditions. I'm not really sure what to do.

I'm actually getting a bad vibe from you, st.cronin. There's something about you that just seems off.

[hoopsguy]

OK, I didn't get to do anything with my "night" action since I was kidnapped. However, I'm hoping that some people have been able to do something of use with their actions over the last two days. I didn't hear anything today that indicated people were acting with info obtained during "Night 1" when making their decisions today, but I'll hold off on votes until more people have checked in.

Cronin, for what it is worth I'm of the same mind you are in terms of distrusting many.

[Neon_Chaos]

After reading back a bit for the entire day, I am quite fairly comfortable that RendeR and DT are good guys.

[hoopsguy]

After reading back a bit for the entire day, I am fairly comfortable that people are passing a codeword/phrase in the thread. Consider it compromised and do not extend any further trust for using this. I expect that the person/people using it will know what I mean and hopefully follow my advice. When I'm a bad guy I love compromising this kind of thing. Since I'm not, I'm trying to help you avoid that situation.

[Poli]

Off to bed. Not sure what tomorrow holds for me as far as work goes. I do have to pick up my tuxedo at some point. That's about a 40 minute drive to and then from.

[Neon_Chaos]

I can probably elaborate on my reasons for placing DT and RendeR in my CoT.

DaddyTorgo put in 4 action points on path12, unannounced... which was primarily the reason why path12 got voted off. There is no way in hell that a Titan would do that deliberately on Day 1.

Render was actually lobbying to Telle to vote with us on path12 near the voting deadline. He was asking, why Barkeep, why not path12? You don't lobby to get one of your own killed, it's as simple as that.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

After reading back a bit for the entire day, I am fairly comfortable that people are passing a codeword/phrase in the thread. Consider it compromised and do not extend any further trust for using this. I expect that the person/people using it will know what I mean and hopefully follow my advice. When I'm a bad guy I love compromising this kind of thing. Since I'm not, I'm trying to help you avoid that situation.

I have definitively NOT been using a codeword.

I believe that Lathum is the bodyguard. There are no other reveals that I am willing to extend any trust on.

[Lathum]

how do we know DT put 4 votes on Path12?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

DaddyTorgo put in 4 action points on path12, unannounced...

So he says.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

DaddyTorgo put in 4 action points on path12, unannounced... which was primarily the reason why path12 got voted off. There is no way in hell that a Titan would do that deliberately on Day 1.

I guess I don't unconditionally accept that DaddyTorgo spent the points on the vote that he says he spent. I read his explanation for why he did it and it didn't make sense to me at all.

If there is a soothsayer in the game the first thing I would have them review is Lathum's statement that he is the bodyguard. This is the second - because I don't see why DT would have spent those points but I do see why someone would want us to believe they played a big role in getting King Titan.

[hoopsguy]

LOL, three of us at same time chime in to tear down a trust list.

FWIW, I'm more inclined to believe the logic behind RendeR.

[st.cronin]

The voting mechanism in this game has me a little freaked out, I don't feel ready to accept any normal vote analysis.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

So he says.

How else could path12 have been eliminated? I only put 1. And unless RendeR says he put more than 1, it's more than likely true.

Since we're on the topic, how many points did you put on me on day 1, st.cronin?

[hoopsguy]

Neon, I'm guessing that Barkeep had some kind of Zeus powers to either avoid a lynch or throw down a pile of votes beyond what the rest of us bring to the table. It would explain why he didn't understand the "5 vs 4" votes, as well as his (relative) confidence near the deadline when he was trailing Path.

If he got eight votes instead of four, then he doesn't need four from DT.

I don't have the answer, but I'm much less trusting of DT's statements than you are right now.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

How else could path12 have been eliminated? I only put 1. And unless RendeR says he put more than 1, it's more than likely true.

Since we're on the topic, how many points did you put on me on day 1, st.cronin?

I only put 1. I used 4 points on an action. I did the same today, on a different person.

My action has not been seen in the game thread. The people I performed the actions on were not harmed, and I believe they know me to be an Olympian.

[Neon_Chaos]

I wouldn't assume as to what Barkeep's powers were or were not. I will work on the tangibles, right now.

Votes on day 1.

Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277), passacaglia (324), path (352), telle (376)
neon chaos - purduebrad (135), Ardent Enthusiast (316), St.cronin (370), hoopsguy (375)
Path - Barkeep (315), render (324), daddytorgo (328), neon chaos (330)
anxiety - anxiety (132), Raiders Army (140), schmidty (201)
Hoopsguy - racer (208)

BK's votes:
There's 7 votes on BK. Noone says they put in any more points on that vote.

path12's votes:
barkeep says he maxed out. that's 4
I put in 1, and i'm assuming render put in 1.
Let's say the wolves assume that DT puts in only 1 point.
That's 7.

Neon votes:
I have 4 votes on me. PurdueBrad, AE, st.cronin, and hoops.
Purdue says he put in 3 points.
Hoops says he only put in 1.
That leaves cronin and AE. Let's say they put in one a piece, that's a total of 6.

There's no way path12 would have died if daddyt or render didn't put in points.

Ah... but DT says he put in 4 points....something the wolves don't expect. A total of 10 on path12. Bye bye Cronus.

[DaddyTorgo]

I put 4pts in on path, just like I said I did. You all can believe I did or didn't. Put 1 point into my vote on ntn tonight because I needed the other 4 for my action.

[Neon_Chaos]

Render, how many points did you put on path?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Render, how many points did you put on path?

I've used 2 points each night on my votes.

The other three have been used in my ability and probably will be again today.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Lathum, I'm assuming that you're protecting yourself tonight?

Neon, why would you even ask him this? Get the stone outta yer head! I would as much let the wolves try to figure out what he's going to do.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, little surprised no one has commented on the appearance of King Triton. What the heck was that about? Is that what killed Zeus? Or is that a power of Poseidon? If it is Poseidon's power, I would assume it didn't kill Zeus. So what did it do?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Neon, why would you even ask him this? Get the stone outta yer head! I would as much let the wolves try to figure out what he's going to do.

Maybe I want to stir things up for the wolves? Lathum did freely divulge that he protected Anxiety last night.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Maybe I want to stir things up for the wolves? Lathum did freely divulge that he protected Anxiety last night.

If he did. It might be misinformation (actually, I hope it is). I have no idea. Point is, there is really no value in bringing it up. Let the wolves wonder.

[Chief Rum]

Unfortunately, today's vote defies analysis, since the leading vote getter was indeed lynched. We have no way of telling if it was close or not. So no helpful analysis from me today.

I will be gone in the day time as usual, but I will be back a couple hours before deadline to place a vote.

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys, I'm all caught up but am out until 4:30 pm CST with a work conference. I'll be on from then until after lynch so I'll have time to dig in then.

[ArlingtonColt]

Well I'm finally back in the thread after "date night" and just passing out when I got home. Anyways yesterday was pretty terrible for us. I am really not sure if I'm making the right play with my power, but hopefully soon you will see something from me that will put me in the CoT. I put my vote on Lathum yesterday, because when I left he was the only one with any other than myself and I had to try there. I will be around all day today so I can make a more informed vote (unless I'm forced to self preserve). ATM I'm leaning strongly towards Telle. Both of her votes have come at the end of the voting cycle and to the leading vote getter. It just screams "tagalong" wolf to me.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I used my power the 1st day on Pass. did not trust him. I was wrong obviously.

thanks dude

[Poli]

I thought it was fairly obvious that Lathum protected himself on the first night since he asked for protection last night.

There's been a lot of weird play, and by weird I mean WEIRD play in this game. Partial reveals (with no contesting), sometimes when they're not needed, code words(seriously?), just weird stuff.

I'm wondering if we can trust any of these reveals, honestly.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm out for the night and possibly until right before lynch tomorrow. I am not sure Telle is a Titan, but something just isn't right about her.

Got anything you can elaborate on that with?

And yeah there's definitely something not right about me, but it is nothing game-related. Just dealing with some personal shit that's making putting much of any effort into this game rather difficult for me, as my energies are elsewhere. I'm going to try and be more involved today.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Telle

Got anything you can elaborate on that with?

And yeah there's definitely something not right about me, but it is nothing game-related. Just dealing with some personal shit that's making putting much of any effort into this game rather difficult for me, as my energies are elsewhere. I'm going to try and be more involved today.

we all understand personal-shit telle. hope everything's alright and it sorts itself out.

[Poli]

Lathum, DT, I see you guys are up. What's your take on last night? I'm not talking about the baseball game either.

[DaddyTorgo]

nice analysis again by CR.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Lathum, DT, I see you guys are up. What's your take on last night? I'm not talking about the baseball game either.

my take: beckett is fucking nasty!!!

oh wait: upset to see BK lynched. don't know that there's much I could have done...he was just...too trusted by too many.

perhaps we can learn something from this though: be a little less...overtly public with our trust at times? at least early in the game when all the roles are still out there.

there are people right now that have elevated trust in my eyes, but i'm not going to name them and thus draw attention to them.

imo we may have fallen into the trap of revealing too much of our trust-lists too early.

as for triton: i think it's a fairly safe guess to say he wasn't responsible for killing zeus, but what effect his powers had I guess we'll have to wait and see.

lathum's play in guarding anxiety last night instead of BK has caught my attention. doesn't seem like the "smart-play" at all for the professed bodyguard.

however i would caution AGAINST the real bodyguard (if it's not lathum) coming out to counter-reveal at this point. We need you alive and hidden if you are still out there, a 1-1 trade with someone who may be a titan or a monster does not seem advisable at this point.

as for where to look today: too early to tell right now TBH.

[Poli]

Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of the Triton appearance. I'm assuming we'll see him again, even if it is brief again.

Here's the thing with Lathum, though, that has me believing him more than AC or Anxiety...he was a lot more specific.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of the Triton appearance. I'm assuming we'll see him again, even if it is brief again.

Here's the thing with Lathum, though, that has me believing him more than AC or Anxiety...he was a lot more specific.

if that's true though...why did he make such a questionable judgement call on who to guard?

[Poli]

Well, I was wondering about that. I'm not sure how I would have handled it, either.

He had two role reveals on the table besides his own. Neither appear to be contested, so he's led to believe both are true (that's how I'd feel in his position). On one hand, those two would be known COTers, whether they trust you or not. If you trust them, you don't have concern protecting them. If one of them die, Lathum probably gets grief for not protecting someone who revealed their role.

On the other hand, which I can also see, neither are our most important Olympians. You have to try and protect them. I'd much rather be without Anxiety or AC (no offense) than losing BK/Zeus.

If you're Lathum and you're the bodyguard, you can't win.

[DaddyTorgo]

although BK didn't reveal before death (IIRC, I wasn't around), so Lathum had no idea to protect him.

Interesting point. Just seems to me..."Barkeep=high attention player, on a lot of trust lists, strong villager" and I'd want to protect him. But I'm far from the best BG in the game, so what do I know really.

[hoopsguy]

The kills have been interesting - yesterday was what I considered the likely target. But why Passacaglia on Night 1?

They had a "revealed Olympian" in Anxiety to grab that evening if they wanted - but they chose not to make what seemed like a straight-forward play.

So did Pass give them a reason to believe that he was one of the three big guys on that night?

It seems like they took a shot at one of the three Olympian roles on Night 1 instead of taking the "sure thing". But on Night 2 they took the guy who was most trusted and hit one of the three Olympian roles as an added bonus. Again passing on two "revealed Olympians" and the "bodyguard" in the process.

[ArlingtonColt]

Maybe they are trying to hit the convert? Especially with abilities I could see where this would make some sense. Or they don't think our revealed roles are worth anything and aren't working about a CoT building if they can eliminate all the "strong" roles first.

[Poli]

It's confusing. I'm trying to think out of the box with this. I wonder about a couple of things. How sincere the role reveals have been? If they were sincere, did they just lead to the Titans gambling on picking off someone else? That might explain Pass and BK.