WW CXXVI: Wolves in Asgard - Game Over (Result in Post 2538)

[MrBug708]

Persuade me

[Racer]

Yeah me too

[hoopsguy]

I'm afraid I can't be persuaded, on account of that desperate nightfall vote.

Just counting down the time to see if the night actions bring anything new and interesting?

[Racer]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm afraid I can't be persuaded, on account of that desperate nightfall vote.

Just counting down the time to see if the night actions bring anything new and interesting?

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, since I've got you around at this point - I've had some major concerns about you since about Friday due to your prolonged time outside of the thread. Is that strictly a by-product of the vacation or is this game just not doing it for you?

Assuming you are around for the endgame (or at least Day 9) I would hope that you are invested enough to try and help your team win rather than lurk on the fringes. Whatever team that might be.

[mauchow]

It's not too late.. didn't type it right.

I've said what I can. I guess all I can give at this point is my gut feelings. I think we've had some damn good analysis to go off the last few days. I would still look at Telle. I didn't vote hoops because I actually believe him, that he's not a villager. I don't get the same vibe that others are getting, which leads me to say that people who were calling him desperate last night/this morning might be the ones to look at.

One of those incuded EF. I can't remember off the top of my head who the other one was.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, on the off chance that someone has an ability that blocks actions ...

When mauboy is the 4th wolf, if you are in fact convinced that I'm a wolf I would encourage you to block me, spy on me, or in any way you see fit interfere with my actions. I don't have any, but if that would help prove innocence I'm all for it. I selfishly want to be around for the end of this game.

If there did happen to be 6 wolves, you would have to think they would send me to take any kill action tonight. I'm the marked man right now, so there would be every reason for me to do any terrible deeds.

Bottom line, I don't know how the wolves moved their vote yesterday but they did and I benefited from it by virtue of living, so I'm expecting to make my way to Valhalla. But if there is an angle to be played to let me live to the end, I'm trying to think of it.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

It's not too late.. didn't type it right.

I've said what I can. I guess all I can give at this point is my gut feelings. I think we've had some damn good analysis to go off the last few days. I would still look at Telle. I didn't vote hoops because I actually believe him, that he's not a villager. I don't get the same vibe that others are getting, which leads me to say that people who were calling him desperate last night/this morning might be the ones to look at.

One of those incuded EF. I can't remember off the top of my head who the other one was.

Racer was another one. Given a max of one conversion, it seems a bit of a stretch for both to be wolves. I personally think that the trust for both is a little overdone, but neither would be people I would think should be the next lynch without a pretty compelling reason.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I didn't vote hoops because I actually believe him, that he's not a villager.

Last time I saw a slip like that it was correct...

[EagleFan]

Interesting, then he deletes instead of edits?

[EagleFan]

I guess he was trying to erase all evidence of the mistake.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Last time I saw a slip like that it was correct...

It was a mistype. Say what you want.

NOt really around - cleaning the house for in-laws. Wife has control tonight. lol

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Interesting, then he deletes instead of edits?

Who deleted what?

[EagleFan]

I saw a slip like that one other time, forget who it was.

The post at that time said something along the line of... "I don't know if he is a wolf or not, I only know that I am" Which later upon lynch we found out that he was telling the truth and was indeed a wolf.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Who deleted what?

Don't see an edit tag on the post so I can only assume it was deleted and reposted.

[EagleFan]

Oh, sorry, thought you had delited, guess you didn't do either. Thought It looked diffeent.

I take that statement back.

[mauchow]

Oh. I see.

25 minutes before my doom, I guess. Lasted longer than I thought I would as a villager. I knew I'd somehow screw this up as I always do with a role.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I saw a slip like that one other time, forget who it was.

The post at that time said something along the line of... "I don't know if he is a wolf or not, I only know that I am" Which later upon lynch we found out that he was telling the truth and was indeed a wolf.

FYI, that was a game where you were also a wolf. (Pass' Godfather game)

[EagleFan]

Looking back at the hammer...

Thor's Hammer - Telle >> ?? >> ?? >> ??
Thor's Hammer - ?? >> Narcizo >> Hoops >> Chubby (Fake) disappeared
Thor's Hammer - ?? >> ?? >> ?? (DV?) >> Racer >> Chubby

The hammer had to go through DV at some point. The question is, could a wolf pass the real one to him on a night and have DV pass the fake to the wolves' original target?

To me everything is pointing at Telle again. If Darth actually started with the hammer and planted the fake with a villager while passing the real one to a wolf for day two. Day three it would be passed back to Darth, as it had to be given to him that night again.

Then trying to gain trust for Telle she comes out with her story.

They may not have know that it would crumble when given to Thor and thus reveal it as a fake. Probably hoping that he would hold that hammer assuming it was the real one but not having its actual power gains.

Also, assuming the wolves also had to pass the hammer back and forth.

[EagleFan]

The only other thing would be if hoops receiving the hammer on night two allowed him to immediately trade it with Darth for the fake.

[EagleFan]

That last post was under the assumption that hoops is a wolf.

Using that line of thought it seems certain that either Telle or hoops is a wolf.

[EagleFan]

Of course Racer could be trying to gain trust by handing the hammer to Thor but that would seem to be too big of a risk.

(just paranoia talking there)

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by JAG

FYI, that was a game where you were also a wolf. (Pass' Godfather game)

True, we were looking for the other wolves at that point (the two teams of wolves game) and thought that was too good of a clue to be true.

[EagleFan]

Someone stop me, I am dola'ing out of control...

[EagleFan]

If we're wrong about you mau, I hope you end up in Vahala.

[EagleFan]

Though I don't think we are wrong at this point.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

If we're wrong about you mau, I hope you end up in Vahala.

Roled villagers don't go to valhalla.

at least i don't think so...

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Roled villagers don't go to valhalla.

at least i don't think so...

Oh, didn't realize.

[EagleFan]

that line isn't moving, I believe it is a dead line...

[JAG]

Final Day 7 voting:

mauboy1: A lot
Everyone else: A little

[Racer]

Can I go ahead and post who I sent mistletoe to?

[EagleFan]

Sure

[Racer]

I made a late switch and sent a PM to send mistletoe to Barkeep (9:57 pm to be exact). Originally I had it going to Telle but based on EagleFan’s late post I decided I better not.

I don’t have any information on either of these players or any other players in the game nor do I possess the ability to get it. I decided against passing it to Hoops because I think people could be hesitant to lynch him tomorrow if he has it. I didn’t go with MrBug because I think he could well be night killed. It was completely a gut decision to go with Barkeep over Jeheinz and Lathum.

[hoopsguy]

I have yet to receive a PM about receiving mistletoe.

[EagleFan]

Inquiring minds want to know...

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I have yet to receive a PM about receiving mistletoe.

This was a joke, by the way. Gallows humor, I suppose.

[mauchow]

hopefully someone used the duke

[JAG]

You feel confident you have the forces of evil on the run after the death of their leader in Loki. After the day began with wild swings, you come to a unanimous decision that the one naming himself Freyr in fact has no trace of divinity. hoopsguy, as the most outspoken against him, grabs him by the scruff of his neck and drags him to the block as mauboy1 quietly stares out with a sullen look on his face. You sense a deep sorrow in his eyes and hesitate a moment...and in that moment of hesitation, the illusion drops and he is revealed to be a she. Hel herself stands before you. Having no physical abilities of note, hoopsguy easily shoves her bodily to the ground. He pulls his sword from its sheath in a single motion and says, "Don't think of this as an execution. Think of this as a one-way trip back home to Niflheim. Give my regards to Garm." With a single swing of his sword, he lops off her head.

mauboy1 was Hel.

As the last bit of life flows from Hel, the rest of you begin to shimmer and glow. Then all at once, the illusions crumble and reveal you to all be warriors of distinction with nary an evil member amongst you. Balder smiles at you all benevolently and proclaims his profound joy at the victory you have shared. Racer continues to glow after the illusions have vanished and you can't help but think you've seen her face recently.

The forces of Good have triumphed over the forces of Evil!

[Autumn]

Wow.

Narc totally called it with Hel, in Valhalla that is.

[EagleFan]

Wow, thought for certain there was one other wolf.

Great job all.

Sorry hoops.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so lets assume that the wolves were not dumb about passing the sword between their number. What that would suggest to me is that they had something more important that they needed to protect.

Also, Freyr/mauboy had indicated getting extra abilities when he received the sword but saw it pass. Not that we need more evidence of him being a wolf (JAG will provide the final point later) but I had thought of this earlier tonight and had not gotten around to posting it. Anything he was doing over the past 8-10 hours has been with the intent to create some little bit of chaos for the rest of Asgard.

The fact that Racer brought up a villager having the sword, and it then happened, made me feel better about him. I think his trust level has been a bit more certain than it deserved, but that was a good step. Only way this doesn't make sense is if EF/Racer were both wolves. If that is the case, we may as well end the game now. We're going to have to trust someone.

Interested to see who is the night kill. I'm a little worried that it could end up being Barkeep and the mistletoe would be on the move.

[mauchow]

We fucked up bad last night.

[hoopsguy]

Huh, figured there had to be one more

And that it was going to take you two days to find it because everyone wanted me dead.

[Autumn]

Look at hoops padding his post count.

[hoopsguy]

mau, you could have just given us the damn Nightfall hours ago if you were last man standing

[mauchow]

We were 0 for 4 in conversion tries I believe.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, so lets assume that the wolves were not dumb about passing the sword between their number. What that would suggest to me is that they had something more important that they needed to protect.

Also, Freyr/mauboy had indicated getting extra abilities when he received the sword but saw it pass. Not that we need more evidence of him being a wolf (JAG will provide the final point later) but I had thought of this earlier tonight and had not gotten around to posting it. Anything he was doing over the past 8-10 hours has been with the intent to create some little bit of chaos for the rest of Asgard.

The fact that Racer brought up a villager having the sword, and it then happened, made me feel better about him. I think his trust level has been a bit more certain than it deserved, but that was a good step. Only way this doesn't make sense is if EF/Racer were both wolves. If that is the case, we may as well end the game now. We're going to have to trust someone.

Interested to see who is the night kill. I'm a little worried that it could end up being Barkeep and the mistletoe would be on the move.

Best minute late analysis ever!!!

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

mau, you could have just given us the damn Nightfall hours ago if you were last man standing

I was going to but I wanted to leave it up to JAG.

I did feel bad to see all this analysis going. And I was actually busy at work today to even really think about it. SOrry guys.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Look at hoops padding his post count.

Just making sure I was going down swinging. I HATE HATE HATE getting lynched as a villager.

[JAG]

First, thanks very much to everyone for playing, especially those who hadn't played in a while as I think it was refreshing to have some new (or old if you prefer) voices in the conversation and hope you can forgive the rough edges in this game. I was extremely please with the activity level even with the weekend breaking things up some. It made it a lot of fun to follow and I was happy to see people so engaged in the game.

Congratulations to the village. While I now feel like I underpowered the wolves (though they helped me out by killing Odin immediately), I feel like there was some pretty strong villager play and poor luck for the wolves with the exception of the Odin kill Day 1-3 that helped put them at a severe disadvantage. At that point it was going to be a steep uphill climb to win, though even then they put up a pretty reasonable fight and had some momentum going until mckerney's little play brought home the win.

I'll provide a full list of roles and such in a bit, but I wanted to start by laying out some things that were going on that a number of people were probably wondering about.

1. The stuff with the fake Mjolnir / real Mjolnir. None of the villagers guessed what had actually happened (or if they did, I missed it). The hammer that was passed around by Telle / Narcizo / hoops was the real hammer. On Day 2, Loki crafted a fake hammer (he requested it, though it was to be a random item from the list, and by chance happened to be Mjolnir). On Day 3, as hoops passed the real one to Chubby, Zinto passed the fake one to Chubby. Not being able to tell the difference, it was random chance which hammer Chubby ended up with...and he ended with
the fake. That spun the real hammer off to Racer. I found that pretty humorous. When I drew up the idea for items, I never suspected the fake one would end up getting used that way. In retrospect I realized they could've also tried to send it to whomever was getting the Mistletoe to try and spin that off randomly,

2. The Mistletoe did not have to be weaponized to kill EF, only passed to him. EF had no special abilities other than being immune to lynching. For those that played in it, it was like my role in Pass's Godfather game where passing the horse head to me would've killed me. That was a special hell of stress for me to deal with and I figured this was an opportunity to use the same mechanic to pass the experience on to someone else (sorry EF ). There was this special for Loki though: If Loki received the Mistletoe and passed it to EF, he had an abillity to frame anyone else so in the write-up it would look like someone else caused Balder to die (as Loki had Hodor shoot the arrow that killed Balder).

3. Racer was the Valkyrie, the hidden role in the game. As long as he was alive, dead vanilla villagers went to Valhalla. If he had died, no other vanilla villagers would've gone there.

4. There was actually a conversion ability in the game, but a rather weak one that only worked on dead vanilla villagers whose spirits did not go to Valhalla. It probably would've been snuffed out immediately by anyone realizing Hel was the only reasonable explanation for a player returning
from the dead, but it seemed like it could be useful for an endgame situation or to force the village to waste a day killing the convert.

5. The no night kill on Day 2 was Chubby successfully blocking an NK attempt on J23.