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08-15-2011, 09:23 PM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
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Once more, your ears hear the sound of distant combat. You immediately rush towards the sound, trying to reach it in time to assist. Alas, you are too late. Thor's lifeless body lays before you, stabbed numerous times with a dagger. Judging by the deep wound in his back, his slayer may have gotten in a sneak attack to help bring the mighty warrior down.
Chubby was Thor. Day 6 now begins, please check PM's. |
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08-15-2011, 09:25 PM
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#2002 |
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College Starter
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Well that sucks. Normally wouldn't mind seeing a player with a seeming vendetta against me going... but it can't be good to lose Thor.
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08-15-2011, 09:26 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Has Autumn been a good boy or a bad boy? Will Santa give him coal or a trip to Valhalla? Ooooooooooooooo
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08-15-2011, 09:27 PM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
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Oh yes...
A bright light illuminates the night and partially blinds you. You can see the sillouhette of a female warrior standing over Autumn's body and you see a ghostly outline of Autumn leave his body and travel skyward with the female warrior. Then the light and the figures vanish from sight. Autumn has been accepted to Valhalla. |
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08-15-2011, 09:28 PM
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#2005 |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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Thanks racer
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08-15-2011, 09:31 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Bath, ME
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*bows*
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08-15-2011, 09:37 PM
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
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Quote:
Yep. My thinking is to keep it in as few hands as possible. That way if EagleFan gets killed at some point by it, we have less people to look at. |
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08-15-2011, 09:37 PM
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#2008 |
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Hoping to see that mau got his item and to hear what kind of benefits come from it.
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08-15-2011, 10:06 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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Very disappointing to lose Chubby.
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08-15-2011, 10:09 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Well, I'm wondering what is going on with the bodyguard. If Thor was able to survive a wound the night before, then tonight sure seems like a night that he had to be on Chubby. I'm not privy to the rules governing his decisions, but it seemed like a no-brainer to be there tonight.
The wolves were also pretty bold to take that shot, unless they know more than we do. |
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08-15-2011, 10:12 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Quote:
Didn't Chubby tell the body guard he didn't need protection anymore? |
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08-15-2011, 10:16 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Guess so - ugh. |
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08-15-2011, 10:26 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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If I had to guess it was an attack by Loki, his attack may be different from those by the standard wolves.
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08-15-2011, 10:42 PM
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#2014 |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
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JACKAL DEMANDS RAGNAROK
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08-16-2011, 12:41 AM
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#2015 |
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Hmmm. Sorry Autumn. Again. I have to admit my more paranoid side wants to believe that you're a wolf that shows up villager when you're dead but there's no way you would have a role like that in the game and not give some sort of hint about it. I would much rather we had lynched a villager Telle than a villager Autumn because I think that gives us a lot more information - but I would have switched my vote to Autumn at the deadline had I been around. Oh and because we still don't know if Telle is a villager, although I'll admit that the case against her doesn't look as convincing with Autumn being a villager. I'm still not seeing the case against ntn, other than him being his usual quiet self and I'm pretty surprised that he made an appearance in all this at all.
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08-16-2011, 12:43 AM
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#2016 |
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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DAY ONE
#67 22:03 Lathum votes Heinz (1) #72 22:47 EagleFan votes Autumn (0) #75 23:27 Barkeep votes EagleFan (1) #80 00:30 Ntndeacon votes Danny (1) #90 02:30 Narcizo votes Lathum (1) #94 04:06 mckerney votes ntndeacon (1) #97 07:03 Hoops votes EagleFan (2) #106 09:36 Autumn votes Chubby (1) #117 10:11 Bhlloy votes Chubby (2) #126 10:52 Lathum unvotes Heinz (0) #126 10:52 Lathum votes Danny (2) #134 11:25 MrBug votes Zinto (1) #147 11:47 Racer voes Thomkal (1) #150 12:47 Heinz votes Racer (1) #165 13:32 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1) #165 13:32 EageFan votes Chubby (3) #171 13:55 Zinto votes Lathum (2) #174 14:20 Autumn unvotes Chubby (2) #174 14:20 Autumn votes EagleFan (3) #178 15:03 Telle votes Autumn (0) #195 16:02 Chubby votes Lathum (3) #204 16:53 Lathum unvotes Danny (1) #204 16:53 Lathum votes Chubby (3) #205 16:53 Telle unvotes Autumn (-1) #205 16:53 Telle votes Danny (2) #217 17:11 Heinz unvotes Racer (0) #217 17:11 Heinz votes Danny (3) #222 17:38 Racer unvotes Thomkal (0) #222 17:38 Racer votes EagleFan (4) #224 17:40 Thomkal votes Lathum (4) #236 18:18 Darth Vilus votes Chubby (4) #238 18:21 Dubb93 votes Danny (4) #270 19:42 mau votes Danny (5) #271 19:45 mau unvotes Danny (4) #273 19:45 mau votes Chubby (5) #276 19:46 J23 votes EagleFan (5) #294 21:02 EagleFan unvotes Chubby (4) #297 21:07 EagleFan votes Autumn (0) #300 21:13 Lathum unvotes Chubby (3) #300 21:13 Lathum votes EagleFan (6) #307 21:25 Racer unvotes EagleFan (5) #307 21:25 Racer votes Danny (5) #308 21:33 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1) #308 21:33 EagleFan votes Danny (6) #309 21:34 Lathum unvotes EagleFan (4) #309 21:34 Lathum votes Chubby (4) #310 21:34 Danny votes EagleFan (5) #320 21:48 Zinto unvotes Lathum (3) #320 21:48 Zinto votes Danny (7) #324 21:51 Danny unvotes EagleFan (4) #324 21:51 Danny votes Chubby (5) #344 22:00 Chubby unvotes Lathum (2) #344 22:00 Chubby votes EagleFan (5) #346 22:00 Danny unvotes Chubby (4) #346 22:00 Danny votes EagleFan (6) Danny 7: ntndeacon (80), Telle (205), jeheinz72 (217), dubb93 (238), Racer (307), EagleFan (308), Zinto (320) EagleFan 6: Barkeep49 (75), hoopsguy (97), Autumn (174), J23 (276), Chubby (344), Danny (346) Chubby 4: bhlloy (117), Darth Vilus (236), mauboy1 (273), Lathum (309) Lathum 2: Narcizo (90), Thomkal (224) ntndeacon 1: mckerney (94) Zinto 1: MrBug708 (134) |
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08-16-2011, 12:45 AM
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#2017 |
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Day Two
#403 22:30 Chubby votes Lathum (1) #429 22:51 Autumn votes Danny (1) #470 05:58 Narcizo votes Mauboy (1) #492 09:01 Danny votes Heinz (1) #494 09:15 Zinto votes Danny (2) #499 09:21 Barkeep votes Danny (3) #501 09:32 Lathum votes Chubby (1) #502 09:43 Bhlloy votes MrBug (1) #508 09:59 Narcizo unvotes Mau (0) #514 10:27 Danny Fake Reveals #525 10:48 Autumn unvotes Danny (2) #553 11:08 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (1) #535 11:14 Heinz votes Racer (1) #581 12:25 Bhlloy unvotes MrBug (0) #583 12:31 EagleFan votes Lathum (2) #607 13:17 Narcizo votes ntndeacon (1) #609 13:27 Racer votes J23 (1) #610 13:30 Zinto unvotes Danny (1) #620 13:49 Zinto votes J23 (2) #644 14:24 Darth Vilus votes Chubby (2) #652 14:37 Barkeep unvotes Danny (0) #652 14:37 Barkeep votes Chubby (3) #656 14:40 ntndeacon votes Heinz (2) #670 15:09 EagleFan unvotes Lathum (1) #670 15:09 EagleFan votes Chubby (4) #675 15:16 mckerney votes Chubby (5) #681 15:37 Autumn unvotes DV (0) #681 15:37 Autumn votes Heinz (3) #685 15:58 Barkeep unvotes Chubby (4) #690 16:21 Heinz unvotes Racer (0) #690 16:21 Heinz votes Chubby (5) #694 16:38 Chubby Semi-Reveals #694 16:38 Chubby unvotes Lathum (0) #694 16:38 Chubby votes Danny (1) #696 16:40 Heinz unvotes Chubby (4) #696 16:40 Heinz votes ntn (2) #700 16:53 J23 votes Danny (2) #704 16:57 Zinto unvotes J23 (1) #705 16:59 Autumn unvotes Heinz (2) #705 16:59 Autumn votes Danny (3) #709 17:06 NTN unvotes Heinz (1) #709 17:06 NTN votes Chubby (5) #713 17:14 Zinto votes Danny (4) #714 17:22 Mau votes Danny (5) #722 17:31 Racer unvotes J23 (0) #734 17:49 Racer votes Hoops (1) #743 18:05 Hoops votes Danny (6) #768 18:50 Racer unvotes Hoops (0) #768 18:50 Racer votes Chubby (6) #769 18:58 Barkeep votes Danny (7) #774 19:04 Racer unvotes Chubby (5) #777 19:15 Danny unvotes Heinz (0) #777 19:15 Danny votes Chubby (6) #782 19:21 Racer votes Lathum (1) #786 19:26 NTN unvotes Chubby (5) #787 19:27 NTN votes Heinz (1) #809 21:00 Telle votes NTN (3) #810 21:01 Racer unvotes Lathum (0) #817 21:09 Bhlloy votes Chubby (6) #818 21:09 Racer votes NTN (4) #852 21:46 EagleFan unvotes Chubby (5) #863 21:53 Lathum unvotes Chubby (4) #863 21:53 Lathum votes Danny (8) #865 21:55 Racer unvotes NTN (3) #865 21:55 Racer votes Danny (9) #867 21:55 EagleFan votes Danny (10) #871 21:58 Thomkal votes Danny (11) #874 21:58 MrBug votes Danny (12) Danny 12 - Chubby (694), J23 (700), Autumn (706), Zinto (713), mauboy1 (714), hoopsguy (744), Barkeep49 (769), Lathum (863), Racer (865), EagleFan (867), Thomkal (871), MrBug708 (874) Chubby 4 - Darth Vilus (644), mckerney (675), Danny (777), bhlloy (817) ntndeacon 3 - Narcizo (607), jeheinz72 (694), Telle (809) jeheinz72 1 - ntndeacon (787) |
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08-16-2011, 12:47 AM
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#2018 |
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Day Three
#934 05:18 Chubby votes Lathum (1) #940 07:46 Narcizo votes Darth Vilus (1) #942 07:57 Heinz votes ntndeacon (1) #950 09:22 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (2) #957 09:39 Autumn unvotes Darth Vilus (1) #957 09:39 Autumn votes Barkeep (1) #966 10:42 Racer votes Barkeep (2) #974 10:56 Thomkal votes Lathum (2) #988 11:14 ntndeacon votes Lathum (3) #1012 13:50 MrBug votes Lathum (4) #1024 14:18 Zinto votes ntndeacon (2) #1030 15:08 Barkeep votes Darth Vilus (2) #1035 15:58 EagleFan votes Lathum (5) #1049 16:51 mckerney votes Darth Vilus (3) #1065 17:36 J23 votes Darth Vilus (4) #1076 17:52 Lathum votes Darth Vilus (5) #1099 19:25 Darth Vilus votes Lathum (6) #1108 20:04 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (1) #1108 20:04 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (6) #1110 20:08 Racer unvotes Barkeep (0) #1110 20:08 Racer votes Darth Vilus (7) #1111 20:10 Racer unvotes Darth Vilus (6) #1111 20:10 Racer votes Barkeep (1) #1114 20:11 Autumn unvotes Darth Vilus (5) #1114 20:11 Autumn votes Barkeep (2) #1117 20:12 Zinto unvotes ntn (1) #1117 20:12 Zinto votes Barkeep (3) #1119 20:25 Darth Vilus unvotes Lathum (5) #1119 20:25 Darth Vilus votes Barkeep (4) #1129 20:44 Lathum unvotes DV (4) #1129 20:44 Lathum votes Barkeep (5) #1136 20:50 ntn unvotes Lathum (4) #1136 20:50 ntn votes DV (5) #1140 20:53 Lathum unvotes Barkeep (4) #1140 20:53 Lathum votes DV (6) #1153 21:04 mau votes Barkeep (5) #1188 21:30 Darth Vilus unvotes Barkeep (4) #1188 21:30 Darth Vilus votes Lathum (5) #1200 21:42 Hoops votes Darth Vilus (7) #1202 21:43 Telle votes Lathum (6) #1204 21:44 Racer unvotes Barkeep (3) #1204 21:44 Racer votes Darth Vilus (8) #1206 21:46 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (2) #1206 21:46 Autumn votes Lathum (7) #1223 21:52 Zinto unvotes Barkeep (1) #1223 21:52 Zinto votes DV (9) #1229 21:53 Chubby unvotes Lathum (6) #1229 21:53 Chubby votes DV (10) Darth Vilus 10 - Narcizo (940), Barkeep49 (1030), mckerney (1049), J23 (1065), ntndeacon (1136), Lathum (1140), hoopsguy (1200), Racer (1204), Zinto (1223), Chubby (1229) Lathum 6 - Thomkal (974), MrBug708 (1012), EagleFan (1035), Darth Vilus (1188), Telle (1202), Autumn (1206) Barkeep49 1 - mauboy1 (1153) ntndeacon 1 - jeheinz72 (942) |
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08-16-2011, 12:50 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Day Four
#1348 09:37 Autumn votes Barkeep (1) #1349 09:39 Narcizo votes Thomkal (1) #1374 11:57 EagleFan votes Hoops (1) #1385 12:47 Barkeep votes Hoops (2) #1395 12:56 Hoops votes Autumn (1) #1399 13:15 Barkeep unvotes Hoops (1) #1399 13:15 Barkeep votes Autumn (2) #1405 13:43 Lathum votes Autumn (3) #1406 13:45 EagleFan unvotes Hoops (0) #1406 13:45 EagleFan votes Barkeep (2) #1413 14:05 Zinto votes Thomkal (2) #1415 14:27 Heinz votes Thomkal (3) #1441 16:09 Racer votes Thomkal (4) #1461 17:53 ntn votes Autumn (4) #1471 18:21 mauboy votes Autumn (5) #1481 19:02 Chubby votes Telle (1) #1482 19:02 mckerney votes Autumn (6) #1496 19:26 MrBug votes Telle (2) #1504 20:44 Thomkal votes Telle (3) #1506 20:49 EagleFan unvotes Barkeep (1) #1506 20:49 EagleFan votes Telle (4) #1512 21:09 Barkeep unvotes Autumn (5) #1512 21:09 Barkeep votes Telle (5) #1514 21:10 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (0) #1514 21:10 Autumn votes Telle (6) #1517 21:16 Telle votes Autumn (6) #1529 21:26 Autumn unvotes Telle (5) #1530 21:26 Lathum unvotes Autumn (5) #1530 21:26 Lathum votes Telle (6) #1537 21:34 Autumn votes Thomkal (5) #1541 21:35 Telle unvotes Autumn (4) #1541 21:35 Telle votes Thomkal (6) #1560 21:46 EagleFan unvotes Telle (5) #1576 21:53 Lathum unvotes Telle (4) #1576 21:53 Lathum votes Thomkal (7) #1585 21:55 EagleFan votes Thomkal (8) #1592 21:59 Mauboy unvotes Autumn (3) #1592 21:59 Mauboy votes Thomkal (9) Thomkal 9 - Narcizo (1349), Zinto (1413), jeheinz72 (1415), Racer (1441), Autumn (1537), Telle (1541), Lathum (1576), EagleFan (1585), mauboy1 (1592) Telle 4 - Chubby (1481), MrBug708 (1496), Thomkal (1504), Barkeep49 (1512) Autumn 3 - hoopsguy (1395), ntndeacon (1463), mckerney (1482) |
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08-16-2011, 12:53 AM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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Thomkal 9 - Narcizo (1349), Zinto (1413), jeheinz72 (1415), Racer (1441), Autumn (1537), Telle (1541), Lathum (1576), EagleFan (1585), mauboy1 (1592)
Telle 4 - Chubby (1481), MrBug708 (1496), Thomkal (1504), Barkeep49 (1512) Autumn 3 - hoopsguy (1395), ntndeacon (1463), mckerney (1482) --------------------------------------------------------- For some reason, I feel there is a pattern here, but I can't quite figure out why |
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08-16-2011, 01:25 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Day Five
#1692 Sat EagleFan votes Narcizo (1) #1706 Sun Lathum votes Telle (1) #1717 Sun Chubby votes Telle (2) #1718 Sun Autumn votes Zinto (1) #1761 07:52 Barkeep votes Autumn (1) #1768 08:10 mauboy votes Zinto (2) #1769 08:27 Nacizo votes Telle (3) #1783 10:03 EagleFan unvotes Narcizo (0) #1783 10:03 EagleFan votes Zinto (3) #1800 13:52 Racer votes Autumn (2) #1809 14:09 Heinz votes Autumn (3) #1815 14:25 EagleFan unvotes Zinto (2) #1815 14:25 EagleFan votes Autumn (4) #1821 15:11 MrBug votes Autumn (5) #1827 15:32 Heinz unvotes Autumn (4) #1827 15:32 Heinz votes Mauboy (1) #1861 16:51 Racer unvotes Autumn (3) #1861 16:51 Racer votes ntn (1) #1865 17:09 Heinz unvotes Mau (0) #1865 17:09 Heinz votes ntn (2) #1868 17:25 Zinto votes ntn (3) #1869 17:28 mckerney votes ntn (4) #1895 21:17 Hoops votes Autumn (4) #1909 21:33 Telle votes ntn (5) #1914 21:36 mau unvotes Zinto (1) #1914 21:36 mau votes Autumn (5) #1928 21:47 Autumn unvotes Zinto (0) #1928 21:47 Autumn votes ntn (6) #1941 21:51 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (4) #1941 21:51 EagleFan votes ntn (7) #1943 21:52 Racer unvotes ntn (6) #1943 21:52 Racer votes Autumn (5) #1960 21:56 EagleFan unvotes NTN (5) #1960 21:56 EagleFan votes Autumn (6) #1972 22:00 Autumn unvotes NTN (4) #1972 22:00 Autumn votes Autumn (7) 7 - Autumn - Barkeep (1761), MrBug708 (1821), hoopsguy (1895), mauboy1 (1914), Racer (1943), EagleFan (1960), Autumn (1972) 4 - ntndeacon - jeheinz72 (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869), Telle (1909) 3 - Telle - Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769) |
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08-16-2011, 01:43 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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OK - clearly I have to hold up my hands and say that I got blinkered into thinking Autumn and Telle were certain wolves. I'll try to reassess although it's hard when you (well, ok then, I) get so certain about things.
I have a question for Barkeep, Bug and Hoops. But particularly Hoops. Did you really think there was a chance that Autumn could be a wolf and not Telle? Would a wolf really go to all that trouble to defend someone who is a villager. Chubby and I were clearly of the opinion that both were wolves so it's hard for me to knock you there. But it's pretty clear that lynching Telle would get us more info than lynching Autumn. In fact if you thought that Autumn was a wolf wouldn't the extent to which he was defending Telle make you think that Telle must have the more important role? I'm particularly interested in Hoops because he appears to have completely ignored the issue with the fake hammer. My main reason for voting Telle over Autumn is that I thought it would clear up the issue with the fake hammer. I knew that I hadn't done anything with it and I didn't think it very likely that Hoops had done anything with it. So either it must have been Telle or something that we don't really know about. Add the apparent link between Autumn and Telle and the cases made against Autumn and that seemed to add up to Autumn and Telle being in cohoots (yes, I constructed that entire sentence to use the word "cohoots" - it's too good a word to be ignored). Take a wolf Autumn out of the equation and I don't know what to think. |
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08-16-2011, 04:19 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I'm going to steal Racer's summary and add my own thoughts a bit. Mostly to organise my own thinking.
EagleFan – confirmed goodie. Which is just as well because his voting has been really erratic. Racer Positives - Voted Darth Vilus two ahead of Lathum with quarter of an hour left. Very positive unless Lathum is a (more important) wolf. - Transfered the hammer to Chubby when it would have been the easiest thing in the world to hold onto it. - Unvoted Eagle and voted Danny on day one to tie them up. Voted Danny day two as well. Negatives - None really. McKerney Positives - I doubt three wolves would put their votes on Chubby on day two -Kept DV in it on day two by narrowing the vote to 5-3 (Lathum over DV) early in the day. Could have voted Barkeep to make it 5-3 over Barkeep, requiring a major effort to get Darth started as a viable candidate. Negatives - Very quiet. I've seen mckerney much more engaged than this. Dunno what his personal situation is but this feels like he isn't trying. -Had a throw away vote on day one. Narcizo Positives - Cast a vote very early in the day on day three against Darth Vilus. Negatives – Fake Hammer farrago. - Didn't vote Danny, even though he claimed to think he was a wolf. - Early votes means that he gets away with throwaways easier. Zinto Positives - Reduced Chubby’s lead over Danny on day two to 5-4. - Pushed Danny two votes over Eagle on day one. Depends on whether Danny was saved by duking or vote manipulation, how positive that is. -Extended DV’s lead over Lathum at 9:52 on day three to 9-7 (basically the clinching vote). Questionable if this is very positive. Would he tie things up as a wolf and risk getting heat later? Negatives - Throw away vote day one. -Very quiet. Like mckerney I know Zinto can be vocal when engaged. Hoops Positives -Admitted receiving mistletoe on day two. - good vote on Darth day three. Pushed him two votes into the lead. Negatives- Eaglefan voter on day one. If we're presuming that there wasn't a duke ability but rather a vote manipulation effect then EagleFan had to be kept at least close to Danny to save him. Fake Hammer business. MrBug708 – Positives - Has touched mistletoe twice and admitted it both times when he didn't have to. Negatives - Throw away vote on day one -Voted after the matter was decided on day two -Voted Lathum day three, Made Lathum a bit of a runaway. Obviously not bad if Lathum is a wolf. -Being usual cryptic, unhelpful self. Telle Positives - As previously mentioned, Telle unvoted Autumn on day one and moved to Danny at 4:53 pm giving him two votes total (effectively keeping him in the race as EagleFan and Danny had three votes at the time). Also with one vote at the time were Thomkal, Zinto, ntndeacon, Lathum, and myself. That’s a lot of choices to give a second vote two and she chose a wolf. Negatives - As someone else pointed out, the whole thing with Danny on day one seems like it may have been contrived. Danny seemed like he was scolding her placing a single vote on Autumn which didn’t seem very serious. -Throw away vote on ntndeacon on day two. -Missed on DV on day three (voted for Lathum instead). -Fake Hammer Business. Mauboy Positives - Tied Danny up with Chubby 5-5 on day two Negatives - On more then one occasion has been late to the action and seems to be waffling more than usual. - Voted Barkeep to within one of Darth of day three. Barkeep Positives – Put Danny up 7 votes to 6 over Chubby on day 2 at 6:58 pm. -Put a 2nd vote on Darth Vilus on day three to reduce Lathum’s lead over him to 4 to 2. Ntndeacon also had 2 votes at the time. Maybe thought Lathum was going to be a runaway, and he could get a bonus here. Negatives – One of six people who voted for EagleFan day one, see Hoops. Lathum Negatives - Late to the action day two - seems to have gone missing of late. Positives - revealed (sort of) that he had fetters - Could have kept his vote on Barkeep on day three. Might not want to risk it if it was wolf-wolf-villager though. Jeheinz Positives – Gave Danny a 3rd vote on day one. At the time, Chubby and EagleFan each had 3 votes. - Danny picked him as a candidate day two. Was Danny presuming he would be called out earlier rather than sooner so he picked a wolf there? Negatives – Has similar throwaway problem to me. Difficult to get a true read on his voting intentions based on early voting. - voted ntn on day three. Seemed to be umming and ahhing about switching to Darth but never did. - I don't remember Heinz being such a follower but he definitely seems to be going that route this game. I remember him doing the same thing in Chess though - he followed my vote all the time. ntndeacon Positives - Switched off Lathum onto DV to avoid a “tie” on day three. Actually created a tie. Could have switched to Barkeep to make things 6-4-4. - Cast first vote on Danny day one. Questionable how positive you want to view that. Although you've got to think it's likely that Danny wouldn't have got any votes if he hadn't done it. But maybe he was relying on Danny not getting any votes after it. Negatives - Throw away vote day one and day two -Voted for Lathum initially over DV. Extended Lathum’s lead to 4-2 over DV. -Very quiet since day one. Only a negative in meta-terms as this is his usual MO recently. Last edited by Narcizo : 08-16-2011 at 04:30 AM. Reason: Formatting problems with bold. Added a positive comment to ntn |
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08-16-2011, 04:20 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
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08-16-2011, 04:48 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Oh and another positive with mau is his reveal I guess. Although it could well be a role that the wolves know isn't in the game. I'm going to read back over that because I admit I missed it as well.
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08-16-2011, 04:53 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Oh right, this. I thought this was a joke because Hoops seems to have missed out mau from his list of players. |
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08-16-2011, 05:07 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Anyway, halfway through compiling that list it occured to me that the day three voting records might not be so useful or might actually be unhelpful if Barkeep or Lathum are wolves. Assuming two wolves in the mix then you're not going to see all the wolves pile onto the third candidate because that would look suspect.
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08-16-2011, 06:06 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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First, it is cahoots  If you are going to construct the sentence around it at least spell it correctly. Yeesh, you could even edit this game ...2nd - I haven't labored too much on the hammer issue because I don't know how to get information we don't have about it. For all we know, it could have been created at the end of Day 2 when there was no kill that night. That is something I've pondered, but largely dismissed, but haven't seen mentioned in the thread yet. I just feel like there are more ways for us to screw ourselves up on this unless some wolf really feels like volunteering the information for us. So, short of us somehow baiting the wolves into giving away info, I don't see the discussion as a particularly high value one for us. 3rd - I didn't at all think that they both had to be wolves. I think I mentioned at one point earlier this very game that I try hard not to get into "unified theories of wolves" ... it is hard enough catching one wolf, let alone getting into a point where there must be wolves acting in concert together. I try to evaluate each wolf decision independently, and move onto the next one once I've found the first one. In this specific case, I was looking more at the overall bodies of work from the players than isolating on the actions at the end of Day 4. When looking at the Day 4 stuff, it made me waver a little bit on both of them as wolves. I even posted with my vote that I found it a little tougher putting down the vote than I had initially expected. That is both a by-product of having that Day 4 info, and the fact that I had time yesterday to play/analyze more than I have most of the game. Which invariably led to me making a poor decision. Sigh. |
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08-16-2011, 06:12 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Yes, I've started to re-evaluate this as well. I had BK as pretty trusted and Lathum in the middle but I recall wolf Lathum putting forth minimal effort last game and at the moment he is sitting pretty low on my list. The whole thing with the spear on Day 2 with Lathum/Chubby is what has me hesitating here. If he did have an item that seemed likely to harm wolves, I would expect him as a wolf to keep it locked up with other wolves rather than passing it to a villager. But has anyone actually seen that spear? If not, there are a couple of different explanations - only one would be pro-Lathum. |
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08-16-2011, 06:43 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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Yes. I thought Telle's passing of the sword made it less likely than average that she would be a wolf, while I didn't think Autumn's voting posture was nearly as brave or courageous as some. |
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08-16-2011, 07:58 AM
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Sorry I have been somewhat MIA, been on vacation since Saturday and haven't had much free time.
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08-16-2011, 07:59 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Gah! Can't you all get your items sorted out. Lathum/Chubby had the fetters. Telle had the Hammer (apart from yesterday when she had the Sword).
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08-16-2011, 08:18 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Would be quite useful to know if ntn was good or bad. If he's good then I think it looks bad for the people who voted him as the vote reduced the amount of information we could get from lynching Telle or, to a lesser extent, Autumn. If he's bad then, obviously, it's good for them. There was a really quick run on NTN which would make you very suspicious if NTN had been lynched and turned out villager. We'd almost certainly be voting Autumn today, presumably what the wolves would want.
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08-16-2011, 08:26 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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I just worry when NTN is trotted out as a candidate because he seems like an "easy target" since you can always make the claim that he is quiet. That stuff works fine for sorting stuff out in the first day or two, but it is a lousy reason to introduce someone on Day 5 in my mind.
I have to believe that if we had a seer we would have heard something by now, so I'm not expecting to get info on good/bad outside of lynches the rest of the way. And if we're going to go hunting for people at this point, I would think there are better candidates out there than NTN. Lathum and Heinz are both playing very low-key villagers, and they are people who frequently provide a lot of value as villagers. I'm more concerned with them than I am with NTN, even at the risk of ignoring yesterday's vote. |
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08-16-2011, 08:27 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Fresno, CA
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For what it's worth, I'm a lot less inclined to think he's a wolf after his no-show for yesterdays' vote
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08-16-2011, 08:29 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Fresno, CA
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I am being low key hoops, but I swear it's just a lack of information to provide than anything nefarious. It seems like every day I have to make my final call at 2:30 Pacific, then most days everything completely changes by 7 and I'm left looking like an outlier. Which since I have no information, is even worse since I don't have a lot of "see I lynched so-and-so" to point people to.
Heck I think the only people I voted for who are no longer with us are Danny (yay!) and Thomkal (whoopsies).
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08-16-2011, 08:31 AM
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Vote Telle
Sticking with my vote from yesterday. BK would be my other choice to see if we had 2 wolves on the block when it was me-bk-dv. I know I'm obviously not a wolf so that would answer some questions for me. |
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08-16-2011, 08:34 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Right, but if you are a vanilla villager like you claim then the best thing you can do is actively participate in the threads. Narcizo has to bail early, just like you do, but he has been driving a lot of discussion. Obviously, there are multiple ways to look at his discussion but as a rule I'm much more inclined to give extra latitude to someone who is playing the game aggressively than someone who is passively letting the game wash over them. Right now, it feels like you are being much more passive and that doesn't correlate to what I'm used to seeing with you by the 2nd week of a game.
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08-16-2011, 09:09 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Fresno, CA
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I would agree, 18 months ago or whatever I would be more aggressive by now. But I feel like I have no read on anyone. I see BK do something totally villager-BK-ish (to me) and I'm told that's out of step. I see Lathum be Lathum, and I'm told this is new/different. I'm told lynching people on Day one who make good wolves (and good villagers) is a bad idea (lo and behold, that person was a wolf). Next thing I know, they're gonna tell me you're not a good wolf hoopsie. So I"m being more cautious than usual, yes. Probably with good reason, two people I had big-time radar being pinged on early in the game, are looking villager (Racer for sure and NTN I'm off of due to the non-vote)
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08-16-2011, 09:20 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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As someone who has taken huge amounts of time off from WW, Heinz's explanation rings true for me regarding difficulties being an active participant. It wasn't until the Danny reveal day, ironically when I started putting off wolf vibes, that I got back into the swing of things, despite being an active participant in a game not that long ago.
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08-16-2011, 09:29 AM
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
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I was the one who placed the first vote on ntndeacon, but for me I voted him more then just because he was quiet. I didn't particularly like his voting record either. Looking back now though, I think I'd want another look at his day three movement. He initially extended Lathum's leader over DV to 4-2 that day but later switched to DV to make it 5 votes DV, 5 votes Barkeep, and 4 votes Lathum.
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08-16-2011, 09:31 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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My advice is don't let other people tell you how players act
I'm completely serious about the advice, despite the smiley. You've gotten a bank of experience playing with those guys and should leverage it. We're all trying to adapt over time, but most of us don't adopt a whole new playing style very easily. |
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08-16-2011, 09:34 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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If that is the case it is pretty hard to see NTN being a wolf with Lathum. We already know DV was a wolf, so Barkeep would seem to be the better wolf vote in that later spot. And I'm guessing there would have been other wolf options besides Lathum for the earlier option if all 3 were wolves together. Doesn't really help with figuring out NTN or Lathum independently, but I think it is valuable if we later learn one of them was a wolf (ie - potential move up villager trust list). |
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08-16-2011, 09:34 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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My wolfdar is faulty. Yesterday I was getting wolfy vibes off everything I read. Reading through today and I think that everyone is villagers. The only beeping I'm getting is from Hoops but it's more "imagine if he is a wolf" beeping rather than Batman game "He'd never do that if he's a villager" beeping. I'm having some issues here that makes it hard for me to concentrate so I'm going to hold off voting for a bit to see if I can clear my head.
Last edited by Narcizo : 08-16-2011 at 09:35 AM. Reason: Grammar aer teh win! |
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08-16-2011, 09:36 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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08-16-2011, 09:50 AM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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This. On top of that, just because it's what YOU would do in that situation as a villager, doesn't mean another person would do the same thing. It drives me crazy sometimes. |
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08-16-2011, 09:57 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Fresno, CA
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Ok, well here's a question for everyone. Whose lynch do you think we'd learn the most out of, regardless of result?
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08-16-2011, 09:59 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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I know that this is only going to encourage suggestions that I might be a wolf, but I'm concerned that our trust lists all have EF as uncontested. He has been playing a pretty passive game, by his standards, since that no-kill at the end of Day 2. He's on my list of people who just don't seem to be carrying themselves like interested villagers right now, even though he was revealed as Balder at the end of Day 1.
I'm not remotely suggesting that we vote him the lynch for today, but at some point when we start seeing our trust lists shrink and he stays alive you have to wonder why he is still there. Pretty much starting tonight. EF, if you are a villager then you should be thanking me for creating a case for the wolves to leave you alive rather than whacking you 11 hours from now. |
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08-16-2011, 10:00 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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We learn that we've wasted a bunch of time if we lynch Telle and find her a villager. We learn a bunch if she is a wolf, just as we would with getting any wolf. But maybe moreso because she would have been in multiple close races against villagers. |
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08-16-2011, 10:01 AM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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I would have hoped that Balder would have come out by now if EF was lying about it.
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