WW CXXVI: Wolves in Asgard - Game Over (Result in Post 2538) - Page 16

Zinto · 08-10-2011, 05:10 PM

I just don't understand why Chubby would reveal J23 to have a role if he didn't need to. I also don't understand how he could know that J23 even had a role. I don't see a scenario where they are both wolves. That is why I don't think it makes sense to vote for Chubby.

Zinto · 08-10-2011, 05:12 PM

I can understand people making a case for not voting Danny currently but I do not think Chubby is a better choice and that is what I am trying to convey in my weirdly stated post.

Danny · 08-10-2011, 05:14 PM

Regarding my "slip up" Chubby is pulling stuff out of his ass lol

bhlloy · 08-10-2011, 05:16 PM

So what more likely - Chubby is a wolf sacrificing himself to take down the BG (who could presumably be NK'd tomorrow anyway) and Danny is telling the truth or Danny is a wolf and Chubby was actually given something that not only allowed him to identify J23 as good right off the bat but has now allowed him to identify Danny as wolf? Neither seems very likely to me.

I can't help reading the Loki description and feeling like that is a very Joker like role. That would seem to match the way Chubby is playing right now. I can't believe even a roled villager starts off with that much information.

Zinto · 08-10-2011, 05:24 PM

I don't understand why a wolf would sacrifice himself just to remove a rolled player from the game. It seems extremely risky and it doesn't make much sense this early in the game.

Danny · 08-10-2011, 05:25 PM

He was the leading vote getter by a good amount when he started this. If he didn't try something, he would be dead anyway.

Racer · 08-10-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

So what more likely - Chubby is a wolf sacrificing himself to take down the BG (who could presumably be NK'd tomorrow anyway) and Danny is telling the truth or Danny is a wolf and Chubby was actually given something that not only allowed him to identify J23 as good right off the bat but has now allowed him to identify Danny as wolf? Neither seems very likely to me.

I can't help reading the Loki description and feeling like that is a very Joker like role. That would seem to match the way Chubby is playing right now. I can't believe even a roled villager starts off with that much information.

Wait Chubby said he's 100% sure Danny is a wolf? I know he highly suspects that's the case but I must have missed something.

mckerney · 08-10-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Wait Chubby said he's 100% sure Danny is a wolf? I know he highly suspects that's the case but I must have missed something.

Yep, he's 100% sure that Danny and Lathum are wolves. But he can't tell you why...

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

So what more likely - Chubby is a wolf sacrificing himself to take down the BG (who could presumably be NK'd tomorrow anyway) and Danny is telling the truth or Danny is a wolf and Chubby was actually given something that not only allowed him to identify J23 as good right off the bat but has now allowed him to identify Danny as wolf? Neither seems very likely to me.

I can't help reading the Loki description and feeling like that is a very Joker like role. That would seem to match the way Chubby is playing right now. I can't believe even a roled villager starts off with that much information.

In the scenario where I'm a wolf and danny is thor, why wouldn't I pick an easier target to save myself today and just nk danny tonight? Especially since danny had no votes and was safe at the time...

Danny is full of it.

Racer · 08-10-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Yep, he's 100% sure that Danny and Lathum are wolves. But he can't tell you why...

Do you have the post numbers? I'd be inclined to switch my vote if he claimed this but I can't find anywhere that Chubby has non hunch material on those two.

Also, I said this earlier, but I think Chubby and J23 are probably the same allegiance (both villagers or both wolves). He said J23 is his family member which means J23 isn't a vanilla villager most likely. If J23 comes out and says he is one, then I'd also switch my vote to Chubby.

MrBug708 · 08-10-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Bug saying he tried to pass the Mistletoe to Dubb, and no one countering him on it, leave me in a position where I would put him on a "more trusted" list since I expect that the wolves would have wanted to hold onto the item and use it to kill the guy who can't be hurt.

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hmm, I've got the mistletoe - thought I was pretty transparent with my hints earlier - so I'm confused by these comments. I wanted to trust the person who came forward saying they had the mistletoe, but these comments don't make it easy for me to extend that trust blindly.

Are you saying you have the misstletoe now? I'm curious to see who admits to passing the mistletoe. I'm not so sure that there were two misstletoes in the game to start and that misstletoe is a multiple use item.

MrBug708 · 08-10-2011, 05:42 PM

Edit - Saw that you did say you have it

Danny · 08-10-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

In the scenario where I'm a wolf and danny is thor, why wouldn't I pick an easier target to save myself today and just nk danny tonight? Especially since danny had no votes and was safe at the time...

Danny is full of it.

There was a lot of suspicion on me as it was. And no, you could not have night killed me today.

Barkeep49 · 08-10-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

He was the leading vote getter by a good amount when he started this. If he didn't try something, he would be dead anyway.

He didn't start this. He simply shifted the tide by showing up. That's an important distinction.

Danny · 08-10-2011, 05:43 PM

He was the first one to vote me and talk about his information. He did start it.

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Yep, he's 100% sure that Danny and Lathum are wolves. But he can't tell you why...

I have, and others have alrteady seen why. Me spelling it out does the village no good and does me no good anyways as I can't prove it until postlynch

mckerney · 08-10-2011, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

I have, and others have alrteady seen why. Me spelling it out does the village no good and does me no good anyways as I can't prove it until postlynch

Maybe it's just me, but if I had info proving that two players are wolves on day two I would spell it out. It'd even be worth revealing my role.

Racer · 08-10-2011, 05:50 PM

Unvote Hoopsguy
Vote Chubby

I don't see how any villager could know 100% on day two that two people are wolves and one person is a villager.

Barkeep49 · 08-10-2011, 05:58 PM

I think Chubby is a villager. I think he's probably right about Danny and is riding that high against Lathum. Since I have my suspicions about Danny, I'm back where I started

Unvote Chubby
Vote Danny

mckerney · 08-10-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Do you have the post numbers? I'd be inclined to switch my vote if he claimed this but I can't find anywhere that Chubby has non hunch material on those two.

Also, I said this earlier, but I think Chubby and J23 are probably the same allegiance (both villagers or both wolves). He said J23 is his family member which means J23 isn't a vanilla villager most likely. If J23 comes out and says he is one, then I'd also switch my vote to Chubby.

He may not have explicitly stated it, but from reading his posts through the last page of so that's certainly the impression he's trying to give people. It's either a wolf play or a really bad villager play, I won't feel bad about voting out either one.

mckerney · 08-10-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think Chubby is a villager. I think he's probably right about Danny and is riding that high against Lathum. Since I have my suspicions about Danny, I'm back where I started

Unvote Chubby
Vote Danny

I have my suspicions on Danny too, but I still don't think the risk is worth the reward when it comes to lynching him today.

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Do you have the post numbers? I'd be inclined to switch my vote if he claimed this but I can't find anywhere that Chubby has non hunch material on those two.

Also, I said this earlier, but I think Chubby and J23 are probably the same allegiance (both villagers or both wolves). He said J23 is his family member which means J23 isn't a vanilla villager most likely. If J23 comes out and says he is one, then I'd also switch my vote to Chubby.

Knowing the item I have, if lathum does say what it has I'm convinced he's a wolf. There's no reason for a villager not to say.

Danny: I can't prove without one of us dying but I'm certain he's a wolf based on my role and jer's role. I'm not going to out either of us.

I think its semantics as I don't have.a scan or anything to say wolf, but I'm willing to bet my game out danny being wolf and am going to vote lathum tomorrow if I'm alive

Racer · 08-10-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

I have, and others have alrteady seen why. Me spelling it out does the village no good and does me no good anyways as I can't prove it until postlynch

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Originally Posted by mckerney

He may not have explicitly stated it, but from reading his posts through the last page of so that's certainly the impression he's trying to give people. It's either a wolf play or a really bad villager play, I won't feel bad about voting out either one.

Well if he didn't say it before, he said it in that post which is why I've switched my vote.

Racer · 08-10-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Knowing the item I have, if lathum does say what it has I'm convinced he's a wolf. There's no reason for a villager not to say.

Danny: I can't prove without one of us dying but I'm certain he's a wolf based on my role and jer's role. I'm not going to out either of us.

I think its semantics as I don't have.a scan or anything to say wolf, but I'm willing to bet my game out danny being wolf and am going to vote lathum tomorrow if I'm alive

Okay so you don't have hard evidence then like I thought you were claiming.

Unvote Chubby

Thomkal · 08-10-2011, 06:12 PM

sorry I don't have time to go into more detail about my thinking right now, but someone should go back and look at Lathum's response to my post today about why and when he said he sent the item to Chubby. That's why I asked for confirmation as to when Chubby first mentioned J23, and when the item trading deadline ended. I'll go into more detail if I need to at about 9pm, but I think something is clearly wrong about the timing there and would like some fresh eyes to see if you agree with me.

ntndeacon · 08-10-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

probably not the wisest vote, especially with no reasoning. but i fully expect the wolves to try and save Danny

well it is just that I trust Danny a tad more than I trust you at this juncture. And since I sorta believe Danny I am not willing for him to be gone.

Danny · 08-10-2011, 06:15 PM

Alright, obviously no point in holding this back.

Unvote Jeheinz
Vote Chubby

Danny · 08-10-2011, 06:15 PM

I believe that makes it 7 for me, 6 for Chubby

Autumn · 08-10-2011, 06:16 PM

Still catching up, but I'm surprised how many people are not voting Danny. You shouldn't require Chubby spelling everything out. Go back and read the roles and what he's said and read between the lines, let's not make him help the wolves out.

bhlloy · 08-10-2011, 06:17 PM

I'm struggling to see why Chubby isn't willing to reveal here. If he's not a wolf, he's the NK tonight anyway, or at least as soon as the wolves are able to hit him. That has me leaning slightly towards Danny being the one telling the truth, but I'm not in any way decided yet.

Racer · 08-10-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

sorry I don't have time to go into more detail about my thinking right now, but someone should go back and look at Lathum's response to my post today about why and when he said he sent the item to Chubby. That's why I asked for confirmation as to when Chubby first mentioned J23, and when the item trading deadline ended. I'll go into more detail if I need to at about 9pm, but I think something is clearly wrong about the timing there and would like some fresh eyes to see if you agree with me.

Ah good point. Why would Lathum vote to lynch Chubby but also pass him an item (the order was due at 10 pm). Makes zero sense.

Racer · 08-10-2011, 06:21 PM

Vote Lathum

That's my response to that.

Autumn · 08-10-2011, 06:21 PM

Because Chubby's not trying to save his skin, he's trying to win the game. Spelling things out only helps the wolves. Chubby has stated that he's quite sure that there is no downside to voting Danny. This combined with people's doubts about his reveal should lead us to a pretty easy conclusion.

If Chubby was a wolf trying to avoid getting voted, he'd come out with a reveal, not just tell us Danny, someone who's claimed a role already is bad. that makes no sense.

Autumn · 08-10-2011, 06:22 PM

That was in response to bhlloy's post.

Racer · 08-10-2011, 06:24 PM

By the way, does anyone have a vote count?

ntndeacon · 08-10-2011, 06:26 PM

I am still not convinced Danny is a wolf, but y'all seem to be. So I will give a little rope to you. we can always lynch Chubby tomorrow if he is wrong.

Unvote Chubby

ntndeacon · 08-10-2011, 06:27 PM

Vote heinz

ntndeacon · 08-10-2011, 06:27 PM

just to go back to my standing vote.

Lathum · 08-10-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Knowing the item I have, if lathum does say what it has I'm convinced he's a wolf. There's no reason for a villager not to say.

so earlier if I don't tell you what it was I am a wolf. Now if I know what it is I am a wolf.

And FWIW I just dont have the time to research norse mythology. I had an item, I passed it.

That is about the extent of it.

Racer · 08-10-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

DAY ONE

#67 22:03 Lathum votes Heinz (1)

#126 10:52 Lathum unvotes Heinz (0)
#126 10:52 Lathum votes Danny (2)
#204 16:53 Lathum unvotes Danny (1)
#204 16:53 Lathum votes Chubby (3)
#300 21:13 Lathum unvotes Chubby (3)
#300 21:13 Lathum votes EagleFan (6)
#309 21:34 Lathum unvotes EagleFan (4)
#309 21:34 Lathum votes Chubby (4)

No one else finds it odd that Lathum "passed" an item to Chubby. That means he would have had the action in prior to 10 pm yesterday. He was suspicious a good portion of the day yesterday. Unless the item is something that can hurt a wolf, this makes no sense.

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

so earlier if I don't tell you what it was I am a wolf. Now if I know what it is I am a wolf.

And FWIW I just dont have the time to research norse mythology. I had an item, I passed it.

That is about the extent of it.

I mistyped, I thoyght I put a not in there.

If you were to tell me the item u passed you'd gain trust in my eyes. This is consistent with the other 10 times I've said

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

so earlier if I don't tell you what it was I am a wolf. Now if I know what it is I am a wolf.

And FWIW I just dont have the time to research norse mythology. I had an item, I passed it.

That is about the extent of it.

well I got a pm from JAG saying which item I got, not a generic "you have an item" with not knowing what it was. surely you could check your PMs to see what item it was.

i know I can check mine to see what it was and who I have slated to get it.

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

No one else finds it odd that Lathum "passed" an item to Chubby. That means he would have had the action in prior to 10 pm yesterday. He was suspicious a good portion of the day yesterday. Unless the item is something that can hurt a wolf, this makes no sense.

he also said (i believe) that he passed it to me earlier in the day before i got suspicious of him, why wouldn't he have changed who it was going to?

JAG · 08-10-2011, 06:49 PM

Day 2 Voting as of Post 793:
Danny 7 - Chubby (694), J23 (700), Autumn (706), Zinto (713), mauboy1 (714), hoopsguy (744), Barkeep49 (769)
Chubby 5 - Lathum (501), Darth Vilus (644), EagleFan (670), mckerney (675), Danny (777)
ntndeacon 2 - Narcizo (607), jeheinz72 (694)
Lathum 1 - Racer (782)
jeheinz72 1 - ntndeacon (787)

Racer · 08-10-2011, 06:50 PM

Chubby, you know what the item is. Is it something that could hurt a wolf? Lookiing at the items on the first page, Gleipnir looks like it could do that.

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Chubby, you know what the item is. Is it something that could hurt a wolf? Lookiing at the items on the first page, Gleipnir looks like it could do that.

well no matter what I say, Lathum will of course say "THAT WAS IT!!!"

but for those wanting more info, yes, that is what I have.

Now I ask you, why wouldn't he have just said that? it's clearly in the rules that is in the game and since it would hurt a wolf, that is why I said it'd gain him trust in my book if he said he gave it to me (tho not clear him).

what would the wolves gain in new knowledge by knowing that I have that item?

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 06:54 PM

but to be clear, Lathum is tomorrow's fish to fry

Chubby · 08-10-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

I'm struggling to see why Chubby isn't willing to reveal here. If he's not a wolf, he's the NK tonight anyway, or at least as soon as the wolves are able to hit him. That has me leaning slightly towards Danny being the one telling the truth, but I'm not in any way decided yet.

If I'm the NK tonight, I will have at least made sure a wolf was taken out with my help.

Danny · 08-10-2011, 07:27 PM

Unfortunately it looks like most are decided at this point. Not sure what else I can say. I'm tired and not feeling great, so I probably won't be around much if at all before deadline.

MrBug708 · 08-10-2011, 07:29 PM

I want to know who Hoops is going to pass the misstletoe too

08-10-2011, 06:49 PM	#794
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Day 2 Voting as of Post 793: Danny 7 - Chubby (694), J23 (700), Autumn (706), Zinto (713), mauboy1 (714), hoopsguy (744), Barkeep49 (769) Chubby 5 - Lathum (501), Darth Vilus (644), EagleFan (670), mckerney (675), Danny (777) ntndeacon 2 - Narcizo (607), jeheinz72 (694) Lathum 1 - Racer (782) jeheinz72 1 - ntndeacon (787) Last edited by JAG : 08-10-2011 at 06:51 PM.

08-10-2011, 05:10 PM	#751
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I just don't understand why Chubby would reveal J23 to have a role if he didn't need to. I also don't understand how he could know that J23 even had a role. I don't see a scenario where they are both wolves. That is why I don't think it makes sense to vote for Chubby.

08-10-2011, 05:12 PM	#752
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I can understand people making a case for not voting Danny currently but I do not think Chubby is a better choice and that is what I am trying to convey in my weirdly stated post.

08-10-2011, 05:14 PM	#753
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Regarding my "slip up" Chubby is pulling stuff out of his ass lol

08-10-2011, 05:16 PM	#754
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	So what more likely - Chubby is a wolf sacrificing himself to take down the BG (who could presumably be NK'd tomorrow anyway) and Danny is telling the truth or Danny is a wolf and Chubby was actually given something that not only allowed him to identify J23 as good right off the bat but has now allowed him to identify Danny as wolf? Neither seems very likely to me. I can't help reading the Loki description and feeling like that is a very Joker like role. That would seem to match the way Chubby is playing right now. I can't believe even a roled villager starts off with that much information.

08-10-2011, 05:24 PM	#755
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I don't understand why a wolf would sacrifice himself just to remove a rolled player from the game. It seems extremely risky and it doesn't make much sense this early in the game.

08-10-2011, 05:25 PM	#756
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	He was the leading vote getter by a good amount when he started this. If he didn't try something, he would be dead anyway.

08-10-2011, 05:42 PM	#762
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Edit - Saw that you did say you have it

08-10-2011, 05:43 PM	#765
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	He was the first one to vote me and talk about his information. He did start it.

08-10-2011, 05:50 PM	#768
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Unvote Hoopsguy Vote Chubby I don't see how any villager could know 100% on day two that two people are wolves and one person is a villager.

08-10-2011, 05:58 PM	#769
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I think Chubby is a villager. I think he's probably right about Danny and is riding that high against Lathum. Since I have my suspicions about Danny, I'm back where I started Unvote Chubby Vote Danny

08-10-2011, 06:12 PM	#775
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	sorry I don't have time to go into more detail about my thinking right now, but someone should go back and look at Lathum's response to my post today about why and when he said he sent the item to Chubby. That's why I asked for confirmation as to when Chubby first mentioned J23, and when the item trading deadline ended. I'll go into more detail if I need to at about 9pm, but I think something is clearly wrong about the timing there and would like some fresh eyes to see if you agree with me.

08-10-2011, 06:15 PM	#777
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Alright, obviously no point in holding this back. Unvote Jeheinz Vote Chubby

08-10-2011, 06:15 PM	#778
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I believe that makes it 7 for me, 6 for Chubby

08-10-2011, 06:16 PM	#779
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Still catching up, but I'm surprised how many people are not voting Danny. You shouldn't require Chubby spelling everything out. Go back and read the roles and what he's said and read between the lines, let's not make him help the wolves out.

08-10-2011, 06:17 PM	#780
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I'm struggling to see why Chubby isn't willing to reveal here. If he's not a wolf, he's the NK tonight anyway, or at least as soon as the wolves are able to hit him. That has me leaning slightly towards Danny being the one telling the truth, but I'm not in any way decided yet.

08-10-2011, 06:21 PM	#782
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Vote Lathum That's my response to that.

08-10-2011, 06:21 PM	#783
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Because Chubby's not trying to save his skin, he's trying to win the game. Spelling things out only helps the wolves. Chubby has stated that he's quite sure that there is no downside to voting Danny. This combined with people's doubts about his reveal should lead us to a pretty easy conclusion. If Chubby was a wolf trying to avoid getting voted, he'd come out with a reveal, not just tell us Danny, someone who's claimed a role already is bad. that makes no sense.

08-10-2011, 06:22 PM	#784
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	That was in response to bhlloy's post.

08-10-2011, 06:24 PM	#785
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	By the way, does anyone have a vote count?

08-10-2011, 06:26 PM	#786
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I am still not convinced Danny is a wolf, but y'all seem to be. So I will give a little rope to you. we can always lynch Chubby tomorrow if he is wrong. Unvote Chubby

08-10-2011, 06:27 PM	#787
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Vote heinz

08-10-2011, 06:27 PM	#788
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	just to go back to my standing vote.

08-10-2011, 06:50 PM	#795
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Chubby, you know what the item is. Is it something that could hurt a wolf? Lookiing at the items on the first page, Gleipnir looks like it could do that.

08-10-2011, 06:54 PM	#797
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	but to be clear, Lathum is tomorrow's fish to fry

08-10-2011, 07:27 PM	#799
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Unfortunately it looks like most are decided at this point. Not sure what else I can say. I'm tired and not feeling great, so I probably won't be around much if at all before deadline.

08-10-2011, 07:29 PM	#800
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I want to know who Hoops is going to pass the misstletoe too

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