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Old 07-16-2012, 08:47 PM   #1
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THE FOFC GREATEST BAND DRAFT PART DEUX

ITT: Signup and rule change discussion

The Main Categories were:
Lead Singer
Lead Guitarist
Bass Guitarist
Keys
Drummer
Other Instrument
Songwriter
Manager/Producer
Label
Cover Song


The sub-categories that could be used as "sources" for the band members were:
Rock
Pop
Hip Hop
Country
Female
21st century
1990s
1980s
1970s
1960s & Earlier


OFF THE BOARD

SINGER
Elvis Presley
Michael Jackson
Robert Plant
Mick Jagger
Aretha Franklin
Johnny Cash
Freddy Mercury
Dusty Springfield
Janis Joplin
Roy Orbison

LEAD GUITAR
Mike McReady
Prince
David Gilmour
Jimi Hendrix
Jimmy Page
Stevie Ray Vaughn
John Frusciante
Chuck Berry
Eddie Van Halen
Jack White

BASS GUITAR
Kim Gordon
Kim Deal
Tina Weymouth
Les Claypool
Victor Wooten
John Paul Jones
Geddy Lee
John Entwistle
Bootsy Collins
Flea

KEYS
Dave Stewart
Elton John
Trent Reznor
Stevie Wonder
Ray Charles
Keith Emerson
Rick Wakeman
John Legend
Jerry Lee Lewis
Ray Manzarek

DRUMS
Keith Moon
?uestlove
Neil Peart
John Bonham
Ginger Baker
Ringo Starr
Dave Grohl
Stewart Copeland
Roger Taylor
Carl Palmer

OTHER
Ian Anderson
Ravi Shankar
Alison Krauss
Neil Young
Wynton Marsalis
Yoyo Ma
That 1 Guy
Charlie Daniels
Bill Monroe
Afrika Bambaataa

SONGWRITER
Willie Nelson
Roger Waters
Pete Townsend
Joni Mitchell
Bob Dylan
Kurt Cobain
Grace Slick
John Lennon
Bruce Springsteen
Paul Mccartney

PRODUCER/MANAGER
Quincy Jones
Rick Rubin
Dr. Dre
Dangermouse
Phil Spector
Brian Epstein
Owen Bradley
Babyface
T-Bone Burnett
Brian Wilson

LABEL
MCA Nashville
Atlantic Records
Sire Records
Death Row Records
Sun Records
Capital Records
Sony BMG
Motown Records
Def Jam Records
iTunes

COVER SONG
I feel the Earth Move
November Rain
One (U2)
The Message
Heartbreaker
Icky Thump
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Under the Bridge
Walk This Way


START ME UP
Chief Rum 1
Crimson Fox 2
Grover 3
Julio Riddols 4
britrock88 5
NTO 6
Suicane75 7

CAN'T GET NO SATISFACTION
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larrymcg421
???


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Old 07-16-2012, 08:48 PM   #2
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:51 PM   #3
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Some thoughts:

If you drop Label, you need to drop a corresponding sub-category.

Replace Country with Metal outright.

I like the change of Hip Hop to umbrella underneath blues, jazz, r&b, soul, funk, etc.

I'd like to have a category for 1960s and also 1950s and earlier...

However that would mean needing to somehow add a category. Keep 'other' and add rhythm guitarist as one in itself?
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:52 PM   #4
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pm's sent

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Old 07-16-2012, 09:12 PM   #5
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Some thoughts:

If you drop Label, you need to drop a corresponding sub-category.

Replace Country with Metal outright.

I like the change of Hip Hop to umbrella underneath blues, jazz, r&b, soul, funk, etc.

I'd like to have a category for 1960s and also 1950s and earlier...

However that would mean needing to somehow add a category. Keep 'other' and add rhythm guitarist as one in itself?
i had similar thoughts. i like the flexibility of country or metal though. we'll wait until others weigh in
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:13 PM   #6
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:16 PM   #7
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Country/Metal is a funny pairing. But I like that it covers ground where there might be mutually exclusive listeners.

Also, in.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:25 PM   #8
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Country/Metal is a funny pairing.
i know. but i had to balance the racism of lumping all the traditionally black genres into one category.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:39 PM   #9
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Let's discuss this a little as there were lots of things people were bouncing around both in and out of thread and PMs, k?
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:42 PM   #10
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i know. but i had to balance the racism of lumping all the traditionally black genres into one category.

All music looks alike to you, doesn't it...
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:48 PM   #11
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ITT: Signup and rule change discussion

The Main Categories were:
Lead Singer
Lead Guitarist
Bass Guitarist
Keys
Drummer
Other Instrument
Songwriter
Manager/Producer
Label
Cover Song


The sub-categories that could be used as "sources" for the band members were:
Rock
Pop
Hip Hop
Country
Female
21st century
1990s
1980s
1970s
1960s & Earlier


NTO's PROPOSED CHANGES
***********************
Drop Label
Change Hip Hop to Hip Hop/R&B/Soul/Funk/Jazz
Change Country to Country/Metal
Change Other to Other/Rythym Guitar
Female MAY NOT be used as a Cover Song



this was very much in line with or at least close to what I was thinking. Drop Label definitely. Only so many of those. I think dropping producer is also a good idea because who cares once you've picked all the murderers and burned the hiphop category there.

Harmony/Backup singing was tossed about and I now realize how we could do it very well so instead of having it be one of the instruments in the top category, we could have it in the BOTTOM section.
So then we will be linking up say:
Bassguitar/harmony, rhythm & other/harmony, keys/harmony etc, which there are tons of... as most harmony singers play another instrument too.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:56 PM   #12
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lumping all the subgenres together I kinda like for sure even if they have nothing to do with each other. We could even make it complete with:

R&B/funk/country/jazz/metal/blues and all rock forms thereof
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:57 PM   #13
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yeah female as a cover song was kinda creative but also somewhat of a reach/copout since this is a cover song for your band.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:58 PM   #14
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lumping all the subgenres together I kinda like for sure even if they have nothing to do with each other. We could even make it complete with:

R&B/funk/country/jazz/metal/blues and all rock forms thereof

Why bother having separate genre categories at that point?
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:04 PM   #15
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Why bother having separate genre categories at that point?
right. if we drop label i propose hip hop/country/metal as a sub category. not everyone likes those genres so it gives you some latitude.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:08 PM   #16
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maybe 'POP' needs to go away as pre-1980 it gets really fuzzy
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:30 PM   #17
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maybe 'POP' needs to go away as pre-1980 it gets really fuzzy

I would not argue with that since pop seemed to be used as "let's pick who I want and call it pop".
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:31 PM   #18
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Why bother having separate genre categories at that point?

YOu have somewhat of a point. I guess I was saying..."okay....anything you want "
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:35 PM   #19
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we'll wait for some more voices. i'm all ears if anyone has any concise ideas.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:38 PM   #20
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A Possibility:

Lead Singer
Lead Guitarist
Bass Guitarist
Keys
Drummer
Rhythm Guitar
Other Instrument
Songwriter
Cover Song

The sub-categories that could be used as "sources" for the band members were:
Rock
R&B/Country/Metal
Harmony/Backing Vocals
Female
21st century
1990s
1980s
1970s
1960s & Earlier


I'm actually sold on needing to keep female as a category.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:39 PM   #21
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Really it doesn't really need to say hiphop at all if people are going to say R&B is hhiphop anyway. And I lump soul and funk into R&B too and save space.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:39 PM   #22
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But good discussion guys!
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:59 PM   #23
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A Possibility:

Lead Singer
Lead Guitarist
Bass Guitarist
Keys
Drummer
Rhythm Guitar
Other Instrument
Songwriter
Cover Song

The sub-categories that could be used as "sources" for the band members were:
Rock
R&B/Country/Metal
Harmony/Backing Vocals
Female
21st century
1990s
1980s
1970s
1960s & Earlier


I'm actually sold on needing to keep female as a category.

Still like the idea of a blues/jazz/soul/r&b/hip hop combination over sticking R&B with Country/Metal
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:54 PM   #24
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I'm in.. Will weigh in with genre/time period ideas later.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:14 AM   #25
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I'm actually sold on needing to keep female as a category.

This should have read I'm NOT sold on keeping female...

WEe COULD lose it.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:29 AM   #26
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:36 AM   #27
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This should have read I'm NOT sold on keeping female...

WEe COULD lose it.

I would draft a female regardless, but people should be forced to if they would not otherwise.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:46 AM   #28
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couple thoughts

1. i don't wanna get too far away from the original recipe
2. i like the challenge of the difficult categories. requires thought, strategy and forces people to get out of their comfort zones.
3. i think the elimination of POP/LABEL makes the most sense. if we expand the hip hop and country categories along with the existing decades you should have no problem taking a 'POP' artist
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couple thoughts

1. i don't wanna get too far away from the original recipe
2. i like the challenge of the difficult categories. requires thought, strategy and forces people to get out of their comfort zones.
3. i think the elimination of POP/LABEL makes the most sense. if we expand the hip hop and country categories along with the existing decades you should have no problem taking a 'POP' artist

We are in agreement. I don't want to stray too far from Chief's original build too much either.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:49 AM   #30
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This may not be a good idea, since I am very busy at work and I will likely be out of town next Monday, but I would like to participate, see how I can do.

I have a feeling I will be embarrassed by you musical cogniscentis, but I'll give it a game effort.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:05 PM   #31
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game effort would be a great band name. welcome aboard
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:42 PM   #32
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bump. 4 slots open. don't spend your life wonderin what could have been.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:56 PM   #34
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suicane wants to party like it's 1999

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Old 07-17-2012, 04:39 PM   #35
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I hope Karl, Abe and Larry get in on this. I'd like to see the majority of the first ten return to pick their opening acts.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:44 PM   #36
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what's your favorite hammer song? mine's pumps and a bump

i suppose we could roll with just 8 or 9. but that would require at least one more participant.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:12 AM   #37
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i'm gonna give it till noon est and then we're going to go to war with the army we've got. realistically 7 or 8 members was probably as good as we could do given the nature of the draft.

on the rule change front lest anyone objects we're going with:

drop: POP/LABEL
HIP HOP becomes HIP HOP/JAZZ/R&B
COUNTRY becomes COUNTRY/METAL

so 7 owners, 9 slots, 63 total picks... we should hum right along. i'm looking forward to it.

pm's and draft thread will go up around noonish.
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