Werewolf XXXIII: Animal Farm (SEE POST #4 FOR ALL UPDATES) - Page 41

Passacaglia · 09-18-2006, 12:49 PM

I don't get why they would attack hoops, and not grey or swaggs.

Lorena · 09-18-2006, 12:51 PM

I still haven't caught up and there's a lot of RL things I need to attend to, but Thomkal, to answer your question, I voted for Grey earlier in the weekend and I'm glad he came out with his role reveal. Now we have some sort of info we can go on.

I was this close to not voting yesterday because we came back late from an afternoon walk. I logged on to my computer to see it was 10 minutes til deadline and voted for Chubby in a haste not knowing what transpired.

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 12:51 PM

Swaggs, given that I identified GE as the person who attacked me I have never felt better about a vote in this game.

Alan T · 09-18-2006, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

dola,

I wonder why Chubby didn't vote for GoldenEagle, it might have saved him.

Im pretty sure he voted earlier in the day when I voted. At the time it was Chubby or grey with the votes. So you either voted for grey and possibly damn moses, or you vote chubby and give him a day to prove himself. I was kind of suprised the vote was as close as it was at the time that I voted for chubby

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 12:53 PM

DC, Chubby was not in near the deadline to switch his vote to GE.

Lorena · 09-18-2006, 12:54 PM

Chances are I won't be on for a several hours today. Hopefully by the time I log back on I'll have a chance to go through pgs. 36-now.

Swaggs · 09-18-2006, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Swaggs, given that I identified GE as the person who attacked me I have never felt better about a vote in this game.

Wow... Sorry. I didn't see the post that you IDed him in, but I was in a hurry this morning.

Good enough for me.

Vote Golden Eagle.

Lorena · 09-18-2006, 12:55 PM

Ahh... okay, that explains it. Thanks.

And with that, I'm off.

Swaggs · 09-18-2006, 01:02 PM

Hoops, I like where you are going today and it looks like it might be serving its purpose. Someone is standing out a bit because of it. Agreed?

Also, your largest, in my opinion, assumption about this game is true.

Hopefully all this makes sense.

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 01:10 PM

Swaggs, I'm not sure I completely follow you on Post #2009 but if we are talking about the same (largest) assumption, then I think we are on the same page.

By the way, everyone knows that I cannot protect you again tonight Swaggs. So you are clearly at risk if (when?) the game does not end with GE's lynch. I would urge you to make sure you get out any last words/theories before the Night 7 kill because the wolves almost HAVE to go after you tonight.

Swaggs · 09-18-2006, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

By the way, everyone knows that I cannot protect you again tonight Swaggs. So you are clearly at risk if (when?) the game does not end with GE's lynch. I would urge you to make sure you get out any last words/theories before the Night 7 kill because the wolves almost HAVE to go after you tonight.

I know. I got a message, as well.

I will do what I can as far as revealing information, but Grey should be able to present anything I have tomorrow, as well. Plus, info on whatever happens between now and then.

Alan T · 09-18-2006, 01:18 PM

I think at this point in the game (unless it ends with today's lynch) the safest plays are going to be following Swaggs's Hoops and Grey's leads for the votes. Primarily since we know they don't have any secondary motive in who they push for.

I'm pretty much suspicious of anyone thats still around now I think, and don't really have any stronger feelings about those that are left once GE is dead. I'm up for theories or things to look at, but with the numbers on our side 8-1 or 7-2 I'm pretty ok with going along with those three group consensus on things from here out.

Swaggs · 09-18-2006, 01:24 PM

Alan, I agree with you.

I almost think that, if they are still out there, it might be time for Snowball and/or the non-Grey Clover/Moses to reveal and see if we can build our circle out a little bit.

Again, I also call on everyone to reveal whether or not the have used a tiebreaker. I recognize that a few the holders may be dead at this point, but I still think it would be helpful.

Swaggs · 09-18-2006, 01:39 PM

Alright fellas, I'm back after work.

GoldenEagle · 09-18-2006, 01:54 PM

Should I even try to mount a defense?

Passacaglia · 09-18-2006, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Should I even try to mount a defense?

Sure, what the hell -- why not?

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 02:54 PM

GE, depends on if you think you have ANY chance of escaping. If so, go for it. If not, hang out in the thread and crack jokes, feed us misinformation, whatever floats your boat.

I think either approach makes for a more interesting game that just avoiding the thread until the deadline and watching the unanimous vote come in.

Fouts · 09-18-2006, 02:54 PM

Sounds like the game is over after tonight. I haven't had any tiebreakers (since I entered the game).

vote goldeneagle

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 02:55 PM

Dola - some of the most fun times in WW for me have been when I was busted and managed to escape for one more day. There is something that is stupidly gratifying about getting over in that kind of situation, even if it is short-lived.

GoldenEagle · 09-18-2006, 03:02 PM

Well, yea, I just wished I could have been more active. It sucks I had alot of crap come up at work. But I enjoyed this experience and hope that I get to do it again.

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 03:07 PM

So, if you do feel like chatting a little bit - are we going to end the game with this lynch?

Passacaglia · 09-18-2006, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Dola - some of the most fun times in WW for me have been when I was busted and managed to escape for one more day. There is something that is stupidly gratifying about getting over in that kind of situation, even if it is short-lived.

Agree. The one time I was evil was not very exciting, and it seemed like we were going to get beat pretty early, but I do remember fondly making up some lame story that saved my butt for a day. It was just one day, and it didn't affect the game in the slightest, but it was still pretty fun.

GoldenEagle · 09-18-2006, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So, if you do feel like chatting a little bit - are we going to end the game with this lynch?

Wouldn't you like to know?

Vote GoldenEagle

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 03:20 PM

For what it is worth, I was pretty frustrated playing bodyguard this game. I couldn't understand why you guys kept leaving Swaggs alone. And whether I was right or wrong about Anxiety's role, it galled me that you got him on a night where I could have doubled back to protect him.

I was happy with bluffing yesterday on protecting Grey, however. If you had attacked him then information would have died with him instead of being passed on to Swaggs.

Fouts · 09-18-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I was happy with bluffing yesterday on protecting Grey, however. If you had attacked him then information would have died with him instead of being passed on to Swaggs.

If they killed Grey, we would have known Grey was telling the truth. I still say it was a lame role reveal.

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 03:33 PM

Sure, but we would not have had any way of learning the info on the three (now four) people that Grey did not reveal.

Greyroofoo · 09-18-2006, 03:44 PM

why does fouts never trust me?

Swaggs backs me up 100%

vote goldeneagle

Fouts · 09-18-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

why does fouts never trust me?

Swaggs backs me up 100%

I am trusting you now, because of swaggs. I just didn't care for the way you revealed.

Greyroofoo · 09-18-2006, 03:54 PM

how should I role reveal?

RealDeal · 09-18-2006, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

how should I role reveal?

preferably sober

Thomkal · 09-18-2006, 04:21 PM

I'm back but have nothing new to add to the discussion.

Passacaglia · 09-18-2006, 04:34 PM

Tough call on whether the game will end. On the one hand, attacking hoops seems like a desperate move, that would be made only as a last ditch by the revs. On the other hand, if they're down to one rev, you'd think they'd have to play it conservative and avoid at all costs anything that risks the last rev being outed.
My best reasoning says that the revs would only attack hoops if they had the numbers to risk losing one. It HAS to be a calculated risk, especially since they knew hoops was trusted. On the other hand, I'm surprised they didn't go for Swaggs -- though if I was one of the revs, and we attacked Swaggs, I guess we would have been falling into hoops's trap, so maybe I was wrong. You're sure he attacked you, and not Swaggs? Even if there's more than one rev it doesn't make all that much sense, but with only one rev, it makes even less sense.

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 04:44 PM

Pass, they attacked me. Not Swaggs. I'm sure.

I don't have any advantage in playing games with this information. The Revs know who they attacked, so there is no chance for me to "bluff" them here with this information.

path12 · 09-18-2006, 04:52 PM

Vote Count:

GoldenEagle 9 -- Hoops (1970), Thomkal (1973), Passacaglia (1979), Alan T (1981), Dodgerchick (1998), Swaggs (2007), Fouts (2018), GoldenEagle (2023), Greyroofoo (2027)

Not voting: None.

Swaggs · 09-18-2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Vote Count:

GoldenEagle 9 -- Hoops (1970), Thomkal (1973), Passacaglia (1979), Alan T (1981), Dodgerchick (1998), Swaggs (2007), Fouts (2018), GoldenEagle (2023), Greyroofoo (2027)

Not voting: None.

Alright... If there is a late vote swing, it will be suspicious.

hoopsguy · 09-18-2006, 05:01 PM

Path, are you familiar with the "Nightfall" vote over at BGG? If so, I would like to invoke it here.

Basically, if there is a day where the decision is a foregone conclusion then the moderator can post results early if/when people invoke the "Nightfall" vote. This should not be invoked if the lynch victim is putting up a vigorous defense, but in this case he is voting for himself.

Anyways, I figure this is also a decent topic for discussion on a day that doesn't have a whole lot of it. Do people support the idea of wrapping up a day earlier than the deadline in cases where everyone knows what direction the votes are going to go?

Greyroofoo · 09-18-2006, 05:02 PM

vote anxiety

Swaggs · 09-18-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

vote anxiety

Have you been drinking again?

Greyroofoo · 09-18-2006, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Have you been drinking again?

not until the weekend

path12 · 09-18-2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, are you familiar with the "Nightfall" vote over at BGG? If so, I would like to invoke it here.

Well aware of it and I would have no problem invoking it here.

For those of you who are not aware of the rule:

If a majority of those who have voted agree to end the day early (just put "vote nightfall" in a post), we will end the day at that point and get on with things. So it will take five votes and we now have one.

Fouts · 09-18-2006, 05:07 PM

I wonder what will happen at nightfall.

Swaggs · 09-18-2006, 05:12 PM

Vote Nightfall

Greyroofoo · 09-18-2006, 05:13 PM

vote nightfall

Fouts · 09-18-2006, 05:14 PM

Well, I guess I'm not so clever.

vote nightfall

path12 · 09-18-2006, 05:17 PM

That's four. One more and we can call it a day.

saldana · 09-18-2006, 05:17 PM

vote nightfall----i really hope this ends the game so that a new one can start and i cal play for more than 8 minutes.

Lorena · 09-18-2006, 05:25 PM

vote nightfall

for my sake, I hope it's the end of the game as I'm sure my last minute vote on Chubby and gunning after Grey for several days makes me look very suspicious.

Fouts · 09-18-2006, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

for my sake, I hope it's the end of the game as I'm sure my last minute vote on Chubby and gunning after Grey for several days makes me look very suspicious.

I'm in the same boat as you. I just don't get Grey as a player.

path12 · 09-18-2006, 05:41 PM

Final vote count:

GoldenEagle 9 -- Hoops (1970), Thomkal (1973), Passacaglia (1979), Alan T (1981), Dodgerchick (1998), Swaggs (2007), Fouts (2018), GoldenEagle (2023), Greyroofoo (2027)

Not voting: None.

There was no debate today. When hoopsguy finally caught his breath after the attack, he pointed out GoldenEagle as his attacker. GoldenEagle stoically strode to the front of the animals to await his fate and was dispatched without uttering a sound. Was there a sniffle in the crowd or was it just the wind? You all head back to the barns, confident that justice has been served.

GOLDENEAGLE HAS BEEN LYNCHED. NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE 9AM EASTERN TOMORROW.

Passacaglia · 09-18-2006, 05:45 PM

Damn. I knew the revs wouldn't let their last dude get revealed by attacking hoops.

09-18-2006, 01:02 PM	#2009
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Hoops, I like where you are going today and it looks like it might be serving its purpose. Someone is standing out a bit because of it. Agreed? Also, your largest, in my opinion, assumption about this game is true. Hopefully all this makes sense. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

09-18-2006, 01:24 PM	#2013
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Alan, I agree with you. I almost think that, if they are still out there, it might be time for Snowball and/or the non-Grey Clover/Moses to reveal and see if we can build our circle out a little bit. Again, I also call on everyone to reveal whether or not the have used a tiebreaker. I recognize that a few the holders may be dead at this point, but I still think it would be helpful. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

09-18-2006, 01:39 PM	#2014
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Alright fellas, I'm back after work. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

09-18-2006, 01:54 PM	#2015
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Should I even try to mount a defense? __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

09-18-2006, 03:02 PM	#2020
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Well, yea, I just wished I could have been more active. It sucks I had alot of crap come up at work. But I enjoyed this experience and hope that I get to do it again. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

09-18-2006, 12:49 PM	#2001
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I don't get why they would attack hoops, and not grey or swaggs.

09-18-2006, 12:51 PM	#2002
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	I still haven't caught up and there's a lot of RL things I need to attend to, but Thomkal, to answer your question, I voted for Grey earlier in the weekend and I'm glad he came out with his role reveal. Now we have some sort of info we can go on. I was this close to not voting yesterday because we came back late from an afternoon walk. I logged on to my computer to see it was 10 minutes til deadline and voted for Chubby in a haste not knowing what transpired.

09-18-2006, 12:51 PM	#2003
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Swaggs, given that I identified GE as the person who attacked me I have never felt better about a vote in this game.

09-18-2006, 12:53 PM	#2005
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	DC, Chubby was not in near the deadline to switch his vote to GE.

09-18-2006, 12:54 PM	#2006
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Chances are I won't be on for a several hours today. Hopefully by the time I log back on I'll have a chance to go through pgs. 36-now.

09-18-2006, 12:55 PM	#2008
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Ahh... okay, that explains it. Thanks. And with that, I'm off.

09-18-2006, 01:10 PM	#2010
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Swaggs, I'm not sure I completely follow you on Post #2009 but if we are talking about the same (largest) assumption, then I think we are on the same page. By the way, everyone knows that I cannot protect you again tonight Swaggs. So you are clearly at risk if (when?) the game does not end with GE's lynch. I would urge you to make sure you get out any last words/theories before the Night 7 kill because the wolves almost HAVE to go after you tonight.

09-18-2006, 01:18 PM	#2012
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I think at this point in the game (unless it ends with today's lynch) the safest plays are going to be following Swaggs's Hoops and Grey's leads for the votes. Primarily since we know they don't have any secondary motive in who they push for. I'm pretty much suspicious of anyone thats still around now I think, and don't really have any stronger feelings about those that are left once GE is dead. I'm up for theories or things to look at, but with the numbers on our side 8-1 or 7-2 I'm pretty ok with going along with those three group consensus on things from here out.

09-18-2006, 02:54 PM	#2017
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	GE, depends on if you think you have ANY chance of escaping. If so, go for it. If not, hang out in the thread and crack jokes, feed us misinformation, whatever floats your boat. I think either approach makes for a more interesting game that just avoiding the thread until the deadline and watching the unanimous vote come in.

09-18-2006, 02:54 PM	#2018
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Sounds like the game is over after tonight. I haven't had any tiebreakers (since I entered the game). vote goldeneagle

09-18-2006, 02:55 PM	#2019
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Dola - some of the most fun times in WW for me have been when I was busted and managed to escape for one more day. There is something that is stupidly gratifying about getting over in that kind of situation, even if it is short-lived.

09-18-2006, 03:07 PM	#2021
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	So, if you do feel like chatting a little bit - are we going to end the game with this lynch?

09-18-2006, 03:20 PM	#2024
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	For what it is worth, I was pretty frustrated playing bodyguard this game. I couldn't understand why you guys kept leaving Swaggs alone. And whether I was right or wrong about Anxiety's role, it galled me that you got him on a night where I could have doubled back to protect him. I was happy with bluffing yesterday on protecting Grey, however. If you had attacked him then information would have died with him instead of being passed on to Swaggs.

09-18-2006, 03:33 PM	#2026
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Sure, but we would not have had any way of learning the info on the three (now four) people that Grey did not reveal.

09-18-2006, 03:44 PM	#2027
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	why does fouts never trust me? Swaggs backs me up 100% vote goldeneagle

09-18-2006, 03:54 PM	#2029
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	how should I role reveal?

09-18-2006, 04:21 PM	#2031
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	I'm back but have nothing new to add to the discussion.

09-18-2006, 04:34 PM	#2032
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Tough call on whether the game will end. On the one hand, attacking hoops seems like a desperate move, that would be made only as a last ditch by the revs. On the other hand, if they're down to one rev, you'd think they'd have to play it conservative and avoid at all costs anything that risks the last rev being outed. My best reasoning says that the revs would only attack hoops if they had the numbers to risk losing one. It HAS to be a calculated risk, especially since they knew hoops was trusted. On the other hand, I'm surprised they didn't go for Swaggs -- though if I was one of the revs, and we attacked Swaggs, I guess we would have been falling into hoops's trap, so maybe I was wrong. You're sure he attacked you, and not Swaggs? Even if there's more than one rev it doesn't make all that much sense, but with only one rev, it makes even less sense.

09-18-2006, 04:44 PM	#2033
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Pass, they attacked me. Not Swaggs. I'm sure. I don't have any advantage in playing games with this information. The Revs know who they attacked, so there is no chance for me to "bluff" them here with this information.

09-18-2006, 04:52 PM	#2034
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Vote Count: GoldenEagle 9 -- Hoops (1970), Thomkal (1973), Passacaglia (1979), Alan T (1981), Dodgerchick (1998), Swaggs (2007), Fouts (2018), GoldenEagle (2023), Greyroofoo (2027) Not voting: None. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

09-18-2006, 05:01 PM	#2036
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, are you familiar with the "Nightfall" vote over at BGG? If so, I would like to invoke it here. Basically, if there is a day where the decision is a foregone conclusion then the moderator can post results early if/when people invoke the "Nightfall" vote. This should not be invoked if the lynch victim is putting up a vigorous defense, but in this case he is voting for himself. Anyways, I figure this is also a decent topic for discussion on a day that doesn't have a whole lot of it. Do people support the idea of wrapping up a day earlier than the deadline in cases where everyone knows what direction the votes are going to go?

09-18-2006, 05:02 PM	#2037
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	vote anxiety

09-18-2006, 05:07 PM	#2041
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	I wonder what will happen at nightfall.

09-18-2006, 05:12 PM	#2042
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Vote Nightfall __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

09-18-2006, 05:13 PM	#2043
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	vote nightfall

09-18-2006, 05:14 PM	#2044
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Well, I guess I'm not so clever. vote nightfall

09-18-2006, 05:17 PM	#2045
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	That's four. One more and we can call it a day. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

09-18-2006, 05:17 PM	#2046
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	vote nightfall----i really hope this ends the game so that a new one can start and i cal play for more than 8 minutes.

09-18-2006, 05:25 PM	#2047
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	vote nightfall for my sake, I hope it's the end of the game as I'm sure my last minute vote on Chubby and gunning after Grey for several days makes me look very suspicious.

09-18-2006, 05:41 PM	#2049
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Final vote count: GoldenEagle 9 -- Hoops (1970), Thomkal (1973), Passacaglia (1979), Alan T (1981), Dodgerchick (1998), Swaggs (2007), Fouts (2018), GoldenEagle (2023), Greyroofoo (2027) Not voting: None. There was no debate today. When hoopsguy finally caught his breath after the attack, he pointed out GoldenEagle as his attacker. GoldenEagle stoically strode to the front of the animals to await his fate and was dispatched without uttering a sound. Was there a sniffle in the crowd or was it just the wind? You all head back to the barns, confident that justice has been served. GOLDENEAGLE HAS BEEN LYNCHED. NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE 9AM EASTERN TOMORROW. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.