Pro Wrestling Discussion Thread **Spoilers Possible** - Page 70

RainMaker · 03-03-2011, 10:44 AM

I don't get what they're doing with the young talent either. Doesn't make sense to build someone for 6 months to a year and then bury them the following. They build up Sheamus nicely and now he's turning into a jobber for talent who won't be there in a year. I thought a Corre vs Nexus angle would be a nice way to showcase the young talent that they spent half the year building an angle around, but they aren't going with that.

Outside of anything Punk is in, and Del Rio-Edge, the card seems weak to me. The annual John Cena wins/defends a Championship match doesn't really intrigue me at all. And HHH/Taker has no appeal to me either after seeing HBK have epic matches with him. The Rock is going to be the one selling this thing and I thought that promo was brutal last week. I don't even think I'm going to get WM this year unless an interesting storyline/match shows up on the card.

I don't know if their writers are just horrible or if Vince screws with things too much. But they don't seem to have any plans that they carry out. The Nexus angle was great, but why do it if everyone in it is going to get buried in 6 months?

Mota · 03-03-2011, 08:38 PM

Apparently the writing process is that each writer does a complete Raw on their own, and then Gerwitz cherry picks it and builds the show to present to McMahon. Sounds like a perfect recipe for disjointed writing to me. And even worse is just the use of writers. Wrestlers should be coming up with their own promos with a Booker deciding the overall story lines and winners/losers.

bulletsponge · 03-04-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mota

Apparently the writing process is that each writer does a complete Raw on their own, and then Gerwitz cherry picks it and builds the show to present to McMahon. Sounds like a perfect recipe for disjointed writing to me. And even worse is just the use of writers. Wrestlers should be coming up with their own promos with a Booker deciding the overall story lines and winners/losers.

i heard Stephanie is running that part, and she hires college educated SNL wannabe's that arnt even wrestling fans

JonInMiddleGA · 03-07-2011, 01:30 PM

Ladies & Gentlemen, your winner and NEW NWA World Heavyweight Champion ...

Spoiler

Title change last night at a TV taping for NWA-Hollywood. A worthy successor to Adam Pearce, whose reign ends after 51 weeks.

duckman · 03-07-2011, 06:40 PM

SirFozzie · 03-07-2011, 09:19 PM

If you're not down with Stone Cold being the ref for Cole-Lawler at WM, I got three words for ya... KICK WHAM STUNNER!

(Although I was pissed off about the giant turd that Cole dropped on the match beforehand)

Toddzilla · 03-07-2011, 10:31 PM

What an abortion of a show. That was serious TNA-level awful.

molson · 03-11-2011, 09:10 PM

I think RAW has taken a step back since Rock showed up, maybe that's just a relative perception, but if he wasn't going to show up on the shows leading up to Mania, they should have just delayed that whole reveal until a week or two before the show.

But I am enjoying the old-school promo hype packages for Mistico (or, "Sin Cara"), he's yet another guy I think will probably see a World Title run within the year, and can provide some fresh matchups for the existing main eventers.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-13-2011, 11:34 PM

Sting over Jeff Hardy in a 90 second PPV main event tonight. Speculation that Hardy was too fucked up to work

DeToxRox · 03-13-2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Sting over Jeff Hardy in a 90 second PPV main event tonight. Speculation that Hardy was too fucked up to work

Yep. PWI is saying that is the scuttle. How can TNA put Hardy in a match, even if it is a squash, in that position? Can't believe Sting went with it. Just make a three way with RVD/Anderson/Sting or something. Hell, just put Angle/Jarrett on, fuck the storylines.

Inexcusable on TNA. Not only for sticking with Hardy when he is a proven fuck up, but then pulling this tonight.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-13-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Yep. PWI is saying that is the scuttle. How can TNA put Hardy in a match, even if it is a squash, in that position? Can't believe Sting went with it. Just make a three way with RVD/Anderson/Sting or something. Hell, just put Angle/Jarrett on, fuck the storylines.

Inexcusable on TNA. Not only for sticking with Hardy when he is a proven fuck up, but then pulling this tonight.

Sting has been described as visibly upset after the match, while Hardy apparently stumbled back up the ramp after taking a SDD & quick pin.

Hardy is due in court a week from tomorrow btw. Hope they piss test him.

DeToxRox · 03-13-2011, 11:54 PM

It'll be yanked soon I am sure but here is the match:

JonInMiddleGA · 03-14-2011, 12:04 AM

That's a Scott Hall caliber walk to the ring.

RainMaker · 03-14-2011, 12:45 AM

Any chance it's a work? I just can't imagine they'd let a guy who is that far under the influence go out and wrestle. Liability concerns being one thing and pissing off the crowd/fans is another.

DeToxRox · 03-14-2011, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Any chance it's a work? I just can't imagine they'd let a guy who is that far under the influence go out and wrestle. Liability concerns being one thing and pissing off the crowd/fans is another.

TNA isn't creative enough to pull off a ruse like this, and even if it was a ruse, it isn't worth killing what little PPV business you have by trying to swerve people with a minute long PPV Main Event.

Terps · 03-14-2011, 01:48 AM

About 3 minutes into the video you see the ref make an X with his arms. That usually means something is wrong.

Terps · 03-14-2011, 01:52 AM

Looks like Sting was forcefully holding Hardy down after the Scorpion Death Drop as well.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-14-2011, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Any chance it's a work? I just can't imagine they'd let a guy who is that far under the influence go out and wrestle. Liability concerns being one thing and pissing off the crowd/fans is another.

If the scuttlebutt is to be believed, this wouldn't have been the first time it's happened with Hardy & has been rumored as the case with the chairshot that left Anderson with a concussion. That in turn connects with reports that Sting flatly refused to work a match of any length with Hardy if he showed up messed up last night.

edit to add: It also wouldn't really be unprecedented, especially under a Bischoff regime. Jericho's book talks about much of the old Worldwide tapings being done with wrestlers either severely hungover or still drunk from the parties the night before, Hall was somewhat notorious for working messed up in WCW as well, and Hardy has been reported as messed up more often than not since his arrival in TNA. It really isn't much of a stretch for me to think they'd send him out there, I'm just a little surprised that Sting had enough juice to force their hand (if that indeed turns out to be the case).

Flasch186 · 03-14-2011, 08:51 AM

Sting didnt allow the kickout.

molson · 03-14-2011, 08:58 AM

Can't wait for Jeff's rambling, drugged out youtube video blaming everyone else, and then his subsequent mega-push.

TNA is unpredictable, I'll give 'em that.

SirFozzie · 03-14-2011, 10:26 AM

Interesting comments from the youtube video, they pretty much match up:

2:45- Hardy Says something to ref and leaves ring

3:00- Ref gives the "not ok" signal to the hard cam

3:08- Ref waves someone to come towards ring

3:12- Ref is talking to an agent or someone

3:25-3:35- Ref tells Sting something, Sting says "You kidding me?", then mutters stuff under his breath as he throws coat out of ring.

5:57- Bischoff tells off Hardy

molson · 03-14-2011, 10:37 AM

The "X" and the Bischoff stuff looked kind of staged, honestly. They would have known Hardy was f'd up before he went out there, they didn't need those traditional wrestling signals (which I think are more used for the fans' benefits these days).

Toddzilla · 03-14-2011, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terps

About 3 minutes into the video you see the ref make an X with his arms. That usually means something is wrong.

But TNA (and WWE) have used that to work the audience before, so I don't buy it. I think this was a case of TNA just not having sense enough to change the Main Event so they tried to be as insider-cute as possible. Oh, WOW did they fail.

Toddzilla · 03-14-2011, 11:09 AM

The look on Hardy's face after he triedto kick out and Sting wouldn't let him tells the whole story. They rang the bell the instant the ref counted 3, so they intentianally got Hardy out of there ASAP.

Neon_Chaos · 03-14-2011, 11:11 AM

Could this be the "Fingerpoke of Doom" moment for TNA?

molson · 03-14-2011, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

But TNA (and WWE) have used that to work the audience before, so I don't buy it. I think this was a case of TNA just not having sense enough to change the Main Event so they tried to be as insider-cute as possible. Oh, WOW did they fail.

Ya, that's what I'm leaning towards now...Hardy was f'd up, so they decided to go cute with it. There's no way he got all the way to the ring for the main event before they knew this was going to be a problem, and the "X" and the Bischoff stuff was a wink to the fans and those that would see the youtube video the next day. The "X" especially, is something you don't usually see anymore for legitimate purposes - there's plenty of other ways things are communicated back and forth.

molson · 03-14-2011, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Could this be the "Fingerpoke of Doom" moment for TNA?

I think there's enough crazy stuff in TNA that this doesn't stand out too much. You wouldn't think you could sell a PPV main event with Hardy anymore - but he's no-showed PPVs before and they still push him (and presumably someone still buys the PPVs), so who knows.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-14-2011, 11:18 AM

I thought the comment by Sting (something like "I agree") to someone off camera, presumably a fan who said "that sucked" or something to that effect, was interesting.

As for the fingerpoke of doom moment, I tend to think not. TNA has never gotten close to the heights that WCW did, so there simply isn't as much of a perch to fall off of.

Who knows, maybe Honky Tonk Man will turn out to be right & Hogan is leaving any minute now. If so, then if Bischgoof leaves too then this nightmare might finally come to an end, although I don't have any more confidence in Dixie getting anything right in their absence than I do with their presence.

DeToxRox · 03-14-2011, 12:05 PM

And your newest WWE Hall of Fame member is ... uh:

DREW CAREY TO ENTER WWE HALL OF FAME

WWE is proud to announce the newest member of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame — comedian and game show host Drew Carey. The WWE Hall of Fame induction ceremony presented by THQ’s "WWE All Stars" will take place at the Phillips Arena on Saturday, April 2 and the one-hour TV special will air Monday, April 4 at 8/7c on USA Network.

Drew Carey is the latest member of the celebrity wing of the WWE Hall of Fame, joining the likes of Pete Rose, Bob Uecker and William “Refrigerator” Perry. Other members of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame Class include “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels, “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan, “Bullet” Bob Armstrong and the original WWE Diva, Sunny.

Carey established his place in WWE history as a surprise entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble. However, Carey’s fortunes quickly turned, when the massive WWE Superstar Kane entered the ring, prompting Carey to eliminate himself from the match.

Carey, a former United States Marine Reservist, is the host of “The Price Is Right” and star of “The Drew Carey Show” and “Whose Line Is It Anyway?”. Carey will lead a cast of improvisation all-stars, including Ryan Styles, Colin Mochrie, Greg Proops, Brad Sherwood and Kathy Kinney, in the new series “Drew Carey’s Improv-A-Ganza,” which premieres April 11 at 8 pm ET/PT on GSN. Each episode will showcase a half-hour of improvised sketch comedy complete with audience participation.

DeToxRox · 03-14-2011, 12:05 PM

And your newest WWE Hall of Fame member is ... uh:

DREW CAREY TO ENTER WWE HALL OF FAME

WWE is proud to announce the newest member of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame — comedian and game show host Drew Carey. The WWE Hall of Fame induction ceremony presented by THQ’s "WWE All Stars" will take place at the Phillips Arena on Saturday, April 2 and the one-hour TV special will air Monday, April 4 at 8/7c on USA Network.

Drew Carey is the latest member of the celebrity wing of the WWE Hall of Fame, joining the likes of Pete Rose, Bob Uecker and William “Refrigerator” Perry. Other members of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame Class include “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels, “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan, “Bullet” Bob Armstrong and the original WWE Diva, Sunny.

Carey established his place in WWE history as a surprise entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble. However, Carey’s fortunes quickly turned, when the massive WWE Superstar Kane entered the ring, prompting Carey to eliminate himself from the match.

Carey, a former United States Marine Reservist, is the host of “The Price Is Right” and star of “The Drew Carey Show” and “Whose Line Is It Anyway?”. Carey will lead a cast of improvisation all-stars, including Ryan Styles, Colin Mochrie, Greg Proops, Brad Sherwood and Kathy Kinney, in the new series “Drew Carey’s Improv-A-Ganza,” which premieres April 11 at 8 pm ET/PT on GSN. Each episode will showcase a half-hour of improvised sketch comedy complete with audience participation.

Toddzilla · 03-14-2011, 12:56 PM

And your newest WWE Hall of Fame member is ... uh:

DREW CAREY TO ENTER WWE HALL OF FAME

WWE is proud to announce the newest member of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame — comedian and game show host Drew Carey. The WWE Hall of Fame induction ceremony presented by THQ’s "WWE All Stars" will take place at the Phillips Arena on Saturday, April 2 and the one-hour TV special will air Monday, April 4 at 8/7c on USA Network.

Drew Carey is the latest member of the celebrity wing of the WWE Hall of Fame, joining the likes of Pete Rose, Bob Uecker and William “Refrigerator” Perry. Other members of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame Class include “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels, “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan, “Bullet” Bob Armstrong and the original WWE Diva, Sunny.

Carey established his place in WWE history as a surprise entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble. However, Carey’s fortunes quickly turned, when the massive WWE Superstar Kane entered the ring, prompting Carey to eliminate himself from the match.

Carey, a former United States Marine Reservist, is the host of “The Price Is Right” and star of “The Drew Carey Show” and “Whose Line Is It Anyway?”. Carey will lead a cast of improvisation all-stars, including Ryan Styles, Colin Mochrie, Greg Proops, Brad Sherwood and Kathy Kinney, in the new series “Drew Carey’s Improv-A-Ganza,” which premieres April 11 at 8 pm ET/PT on GSN. Each episode will showcase a half-hour of improvised sketch comedy complete with audience participation.

Chubby · 03-14-2011, 05:25 PM

So is Drew Carey going into the WWE Hall of Fame?

JonInMiddleGA · 03-14-2011, 05:30 PM

Jeff Hardy sent home from this week's TNA tapings.

Meanwhile Matt tweets ""Well, today has been quite the interesting day to say the least. And yes, Jeff is fine. I'm (definitely) fine. Just sore from busting my ass last night."

And pwinsider says
"Many company employees are very upset about the situation, especially with the decision to allow Hardy to go out in front of the audience considering he stumbled on the ramp and nearly tripped over the ring steps. Others were surprised that an audible wasn't called to "make it up" to the audience. You could also see that Sting was clearly pissed off following the bout.

While Hardy has been sent home from this week's iMPACT! tapings, no further decision has been made regarding his future in the organization. Hardy was going to be booked in this year's Lethal Lockdown match at Lockdown.

Hardy tweeted last night that "things are op." Huh?!

General Mike · 03-14-2011, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Could this be the "Fingerpoke of Doom" moment for TNA?

More like the Montreal screwjob, but instead of Jeff Hardy going to WWE, he's going to Jail.

DeToxRox · 03-14-2011, 07:10 PM

From TNA Spoilers tonight:

*They do a segment where The Pope makes a blind man see, then makes a handicapped man get out of a wheelchair and walk. Pope then says he can't do anything to help heavy woman, taking shots at Samoa Joe and his family. Joe comes out and Pope retreats but beats up Okada in the process. Joe finally runs off Pope. The fans chanted "That was stupid."

It was described on WO as distasteful and dumb and the crowd totally turned on it.

Now that's a Russo one.

DeToxRox · 03-14-2011, 07:29 PM

Reports are coming out (not on PWI or WO to my knowledge so I tend to be skeptical) that AJ Styles was seriously injured tonight in some absurd powerbomb spot.

Suicane75 · 03-14-2011, 07:35 PM

What an absurd company, run by absurd people.

General Mike · 03-14-2011, 07:54 PM

I got this from the Observer message board:

Spoiler

General Mike · 03-14-2011, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Reports are coming out (not on PWI or WO to my knowledge so I tend to be skeptical) that AJ Styles was seriously injured tonight in some absurd powerbomb spot.

I saw it on the Observer message board, but that doesn't mean anything. Place is full of trolls. Supposedly Bully Ray was involved and hurt as well.

Mota · 03-15-2011, 06:08 AM

I'd pretend I was seriously injured to be able to take a step away from that garbage. It's so sad. I think this is the most misused I've ever seen talent.

Remember when Hogan came in and said he was here to help promote the young guys and turn them into household names? That's a funny one. I think it took about 15 minutes before he brought the Nasty Boys in.

The problem with TNA is that their "young guys" aren't that young anymore, and they've been so damaged over multiple years of misuse that they aren't the future superstars of TNA anymore. Who is the next young guy? They have no prospects at all. Very very sad.

I hope that AJ is okay.

General Mike · 03-15-2011, 05:27 PM

Who booked this crap?

TexasT · 03-15-2011, 07:40 PM

Is there anyone else that cannot stand Michael Cole! What an ass. I don't see why they don't get rid of the guy. Doesn't do anything at all for the show.

molson · 03-15-2011, 07:42 PM

I feel guilty that I actually want to check out TNA this week. I always DVR it, but I don't always get around to watching it, but I kind of want to see where they go from here.

General Mike · 03-15-2011, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasT

Is there anyone else that cannot stand Michael Cole! What an ass. I don't see why they don't get rid of the guy. Doesn't do anything at all for the show.

I agree. Hopefully Wrestlemania is the end of his announcing career. I do think he could be valuable as a heel manager tho.

bulletsponge · 03-15-2011, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson

I feel guilty that I actually want to check out TNA this week. I always DVR it, but I don't always get around to watching it, but I kind of want to see where they go from here.

they go the same place they always go, right down the toilet

Comey · 03-15-2011, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasT

Is there anyone else that cannot stand Michael Cole! What an ass. I don't see why they don't get rid of the guy. Doesn't do anything at all for the show.

He's considered by McMahon to be one of the most successful heels in the company; it's been said that McMahon lives vicariously through Cole's character. Considering your comments, I think this means that they're achieving what they want with Cole.

Personally, I found him to be hilarious when I saw him on TV; specifically, I'm looking at The Rock's comeback to RAW, when he was interrupted by the Raw GM. They cut to Cole, who was laughing at Rock. It was a perfect reaction. I can imagine that Cole in a Cube is quite amusing to see, and perfect for the character.

Also, for what it's worth, it's said that Cena and Cole are best friends outside the ring, and travel together. So, I don't expect him to go anywhere anytime soon, with the backing of McMahon and Cena.

molson · 03-15-2011, 09:49 PM

I'm enjoying Cole a lot.

The whole Cole/Lawler angle on Raw was a lot of fun. Especially how Brian Christopher gassed himself so much during his dancing entrance that he had no breath left for his lines. It was worth it though, because he still had the moves (just not the cardio). And Michael Cole dancing in the background was tremendous. Perhaps I'm just easily amused. Though, I think that's an important trait if you're going to be a pro wrestling fan.

I'm hoping he doesn't just go back to being a regular announcer after Mania - I'd love to see him in any other authority/manager type role.

bulletsponge · 03-16-2011, 03:12 PM

i like heel Cole. before he was just a cringworthy face anouncer. now hes an asshole you want to see get his ass kicked, which is what a good heel makes you feel

TexasT · 03-16-2011, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

i like heel Cole. before he was just a cringworthy face anouncer. now hes an asshole you want to see get his ass kicked, which is what a good heel makes you feel

Well, the sooner the better!

RainMaker · 03-17-2011, 04:29 AM

My problem with Cole is that while I hate him, it's more because he shits on good stuff by talking over everything. He's too over the top and needs to know when to let the action speak for itself.

I like good heels, I don't like annoying heels. He's just annoying.

03-07-2011, 01:30 PM	#3454
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Ladies & Gentlemen, your winner and NEW NWA World Heavyweight Champion ... Spoiler Colt Cabana Title change last night at a TV taping for NWA-Hollywood. A worthy successor to Adam Pearce, whose reign ends after 51 weeks. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 03-07-2011 at 01:31 PM.

03-07-2011, 09:19 PM	#3456
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	If you're not down with Stone Cold being the ref for Cole-Lawler at WM, I got three words for ya... KICK WHAM STUNNER! (Although I was pissed off about the giant turd that Cole dropped on the match beforehand) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-11-2011, 09:10 PM	#3458
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I think RAW has taken a step back since Rock showed up, maybe that's just a relative perception, but if he wasn't going to show up on the shows leading up to Mania, they should have just delayed that whole reveal until a week or two before the show. But I am enjoying the old-school promo hype packages for Mistico (or, "Sin Cara"), he's yet another guy I think will probably see a World Title run within the year, and can provide some fresh matchups for the existing main eventers. Last edited by molson : 03-11-2011 at 09:11 PM.

03-13-2011, 11:34 PM	#3459
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Sting over Jeff Hardy in a 90 second PPV main event tonight. Speculation that Hardy was too fucked up to work __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-13-2011, 11:54 PM	#3462
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	It'll be yanked soon I am sure but here is the match: Last edited by DeToxRox : 03-13-2011 at 11:54 PM.

03-03-2011, 10:44 AM	#3451
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I don't get what they're doing with the young talent either. Doesn't make sense to build someone for 6 months to a year and then bury them the following. They build up Sheamus nicely and now he's turning into a jobber for talent who won't be there in a year. I thought a Corre vs Nexus angle would be a nice way to showcase the young talent that they spent half the year building an angle around, but they aren't going with that. Outside of anything Punk is in, and Del Rio-Edge, the card seems weak to me. The annual John Cena wins/defends a Championship match doesn't really intrigue me at all. And HHH/Taker has no appeal to me either after seeing HBK have epic matches with him. The Rock is going to be the one selling this thing and I thought that promo was brutal last week. I don't even think I'm going to get WM this year unless an interesting storyline/match shows up on the card. I don't know if their writers are just horrible or if Vince screws with things too much. But they don't seem to have any plans that they carry out. The Nexus angle was great, but why do it if everyone in it is going to get buried in 6 months?

03-03-2011, 08:38 PM	#3452
Mota College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001	Apparently the writing process is that each writer does a complete Raw on their own, and then Gerwitz cherry picks it and builds the show to present to McMahon. Sounds like a perfect recipe for disjointed writing to me. And even worse is just the use of writers. Wrestlers should be coming up with their own promos with a Booker deciding the overall story lines and winners/losers.

03-07-2011, 10:31 PM	#3457
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	What an abortion of a show. That was serious TNA-level awful.

03-14-2011, 12:04 AM	#3463
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	That's a Scott Hall caliber walk to the ring. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-14-2011, 12:45 AM	#3464
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Any chance it's a work? I just can't imagine they'd let a guy who is that far under the influence go out and wrestle. Liability concerns being one thing and pissing off the crowd/fans is another.

03-14-2011, 01:48 AM	#3466
Terps College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001	About 3 minutes into the video you see the ref make an X with his arms. That usually means something is wrong.

03-14-2011, 01:52 AM	#3467
Terps College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001	Looks like Sting was forcefully holding Hardy down after the Scorpion Death Drop as well.

03-14-2011, 08:51 AM	#3469
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	Sting didnt allow the kickout. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

03-14-2011, 08:58 AM	#3470
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Can't wait for Jeff's rambling, drugged out youtube video blaming everyone else, and then his subsequent mega-push. TNA is unpredictable, I'll give 'em that. Last edited by molson : 03-14-2011 at 08:58 AM.

03-14-2011, 10:26 AM	#3471
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Interesting comments from the youtube video, they pretty much match up: 2:45- Hardy Says something to ref and leaves ring 3:00- Ref gives the "not ok" signal to the hard cam 3:08- Ref waves someone to come towards ring 3:12- Ref is talking to an agent or someone 3:25-3:35- Ref tells Sting something, Sting says "You kidding me?", then mutters stuff under his breath as he throws coat out of ring. 5:57- Bischoff tells off Hardy __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-14-2011, 10:37 AM	#3472
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	The "X" and the Bischoff stuff looked kind of staged, honestly. They would have known Hardy was f'd up before he went out there, they didn't need those traditional wrestling signals (which I think are more used for the fans' benefits these days).

03-14-2011, 11:09 AM	#3474
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	The look on Hardy's face after he triedto kick out and Sting wouldn't let him tells the whole story. They rang the bell the instant the ref counted 3, so they intentianally got Hardy out of there ASAP.

03-14-2011, 11:11 AM	#3475
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Could this be the "Fingerpoke of Doom" moment for TNA? __________________ Come and see.

03-14-2011, 11:18 AM	#3478
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I thought the comment by Sting (something like "I agree") to someone off camera, presumably a fan who said "that sucked" or something to that effect, was interesting. As for the fingerpoke of doom moment, I tend to think not. TNA has never gotten close to the heights that WCW did, so there simply isn't as much of a perch to fall off of. Who knows, maybe Honky Tonk Man will turn out to be right & Hogan is leaving any minute now. If so, then if Bischgoof leaves too then this nightmare might finally come to an end, although I don't have any more confidence in Dixie getting anything right in their absence than I do with their presence. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-14-2011, 12:05 PM	#3479
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	And your newest WWE Hall of Fame member is ... uh: DREW CAREY TO ENTER WWE HALL OF FAME WWE is proud to announce the newest member of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame — comedian and game show host Drew Carey. The WWE Hall of Fame induction ceremony presented by THQ’s "WWE All Stars" will take place at the Phillips Arena on Saturday, April 2 and the one-hour TV special will air Monday, April 4 at 8/7c on USA Network. Drew Carey is the latest member of the celebrity wing of the WWE Hall of Fame, joining the likes of Pete Rose, Bob Uecker and William “Refrigerator” Perry. Other members of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame Class include “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels, “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan, “Bullet” Bob Armstrong and the original WWE Diva, Sunny. Carey established his place in WWE history as a surprise entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble. However, Carey’s fortunes quickly turned, when the massive WWE Superstar Kane entered the ring, prompting Carey to eliminate himself from the match. Carey, a former United States Marine Reservist, is the host of “The Price Is Right” and star of “The Drew Carey Show” and “Whose Line Is It Anyway?”. Carey will lead a cast of improvisation all-stars, including Ryan Styles, Colin Mochrie, Greg Proops, Brad Sherwood and Kathy Kinney, in the new series “Drew Carey’s Improv-A-Ganza,” which premieres April 11 at 8 pm ET/PT on GSN. Each episode will showcase a half-hour of improvised sketch comedy complete with audience participation.

03-14-2011, 12:05 PM	#3480
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	And your newest WWE Hall of Fame member is ... uh: DREW CAREY TO ENTER WWE HALL OF FAME WWE is proud to announce the newest member of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame — comedian and game show host Drew Carey. The WWE Hall of Fame induction ceremony presented by THQ’s "WWE All Stars" will take place at the Phillips Arena on Saturday, April 2 and the one-hour TV special will air Monday, April 4 at 8/7c on USA Network. Drew Carey is the latest member of the celebrity wing of the WWE Hall of Fame, joining the likes of Pete Rose, Bob Uecker and William “Refrigerator” Perry. Other members of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame Class include “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels, “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan, “Bullet” Bob Armstrong and the original WWE Diva, Sunny. Carey established his place in WWE history as a surprise entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble. However, Carey’s fortunes quickly turned, when the massive WWE Superstar Kane entered the ring, prompting Carey to eliminate himself from the match. Carey, a former United States Marine Reservist, is the host of “The Price Is Right” and star of “The Drew Carey Show” and “Whose Line Is It Anyway?”. Carey will lead a cast of improvisation all-stars, including Ryan Styles, Colin Mochrie, Greg Proops, Brad Sherwood and Kathy Kinney, in the new series “Drew Carey’s Improv-A-Ganza,” which premieres April 11 at 8 pm ET/PT on GSN. Each episode will showcase a half-hour of improvised sketch comedy complete with audience participation.

03-14-2011, 12:56 PM	#3481
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	And your newest WWE Hall of Fame member is ... uh: DREW CAREY TO ENTER WWE HALL OF FAME WWE is proud to announce the newest member of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame — comedian and game show host Drew Carey. The WWE Hall of Fame induction ceremony presented by THQ’s "WWE All Stars" will take place at the Phillips Arena on Saturday, April 2 and the one-hour TV special will air Monday, April 4 at 8/7c on USA Network. Drew Carey is the latest member of the celebrity wing of the WWE Hall of Fame, joining the likes of Pete Rose, Bob Uecker and William “Refrigerator” Perry. Other members of the 2011 WWE Hall of Fame Class include “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels, “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan, “Bullet” Bob Armstrong and the original WWE Diva, Sunny. Carey established his place in WWE history as a surprise entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble. However, Carey’s fortunes quickly turned, when the massive WWE Superstar Kane entered the ring, prompting Carey to eliminate himself from the match. Carey, a former United States Marine Reservist, is the host of “The Price Is Right” and star of “The Drew Carey Show” and “Whose Line Is It Anyway?”. Carey will lead a cast of improvisation all-stars, including Ryan Styles, Colin Mochrie, Greg Proops, Brad Sherwood and Kathy Kinney, in the new series “Drew Carey’s Improv-A-Ganza,” which premieres April 11 at 8 pm ET/PT on GSN. Each episode will showcase a half-hour of improvised sketch comedy complete with audience participation. Last edited by Toddzilla : 03-14-2011 at 12:56 PM.

03-14-2011, 05:25 PM	#3482
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	So is Drew Carey going into the WWE Hall of Fame?

03-14-2011, 05:30 PM	#3483
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Jeff Hardy sent home from this week's TNA tapings. Meanwhile Matt tweets ""Well, today has been quite the interesting day to say the least. And yes, Jeff is fine. I'm (definitely) fine. Just sore from busting my ass last night." And pwinsider says "Many company employees are very upset about the situation, especially with the decision to allow Hardy to go out in front of the audience considering he stumbled on the ramp and nearly tripped over the ring steps. Others were surprised that an audible wasn't called to "make it up" to the audience. You could also see that Sting was clearly pissed off following the bout. While Hardy has been sent home from this week's iMPACT! tapings, no further decision has been made regarding his future in the organization. Hardy was going to be booked in this year's Lethal Lockdown match at Lockdown. Hardy tweeted last night that "things are op." Huh?! __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 03-14-2011 at 05:30 PM.

03-14-2011, 07:10 PM	#3485
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	From TNA Spoilers tonight: *They do a segment where The Pope makes a blind man see, then makes a handicapped man get out of a wheelchair and walk. Pope then says he can't do anything to help heavy woman, taking shots at Samoa Joe and his family. Joe comes out and Pope retreats but beats up Okada in the process. Joe finally runs off Pope. The fans chanted "That was stupid." It was described on WO as distasteful and dumb and the crowd totally turned on it. Now that's a Russo one.

03-14-2011, 07:29 PM	#3486
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Reports are coming out (not on PWI or WO to my knowledge so I tend to be skeptical) that AJ Styles was seriously injured tonight in some absurd powerbomb spot.

03-14-2011, 07:35 PM	#3487
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	What an absurd company, run by absurd people.

03-14-2011, 07:54 PM	#3488
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	I got this from the Observer message board: Spoiler An account of the beginning of the show from PWinsider: Impact opened with TNA champion Sting in the ring holding the old TNA title and Jeff Hardy version. Sting said that before Hulk Hogan tries to overtake the show, he wants them to get out here and face him. Hogan and Eric Bischoff come out. Sting tosses them the Hardy belt and says this is theirs and they can take the garbage. Sting says that Hogan took one of the brightest stars in wrestling, Jeff Hardy, and ruined him with his influence. They acted like Hardy was done as Sting said he can't do anything to help Jeff anymore but he can help TNA. Hogan said that Sting tries to blame everyone else but he's the guy who disappears and shows up when he wants. Hogan said that the only person at fault is Hardy, who couldn't run with Immortal and stand in the shadow of the Hulkster.

03-15-2011, 06:08 AM	#3490
Mota College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001	I'd pretend I was seriously injured to be able to take a step away from that garbage. It's so sad. I think this is the most misused I've ever seen talent. Remember when Hogan came in and said he was here to help promote the young guys and turn them into household names? That's a funny one. I think it took about 15 minutes before he brought the Nasty Boys in. The problem with TNA is that their "young guys" aren't that young anymore, and they've been so damaged over multiple years of misuse that they aren't the future superstars of TNA anymore. Who is the next young guy? They have no prospects at all. Very very sad. I hope that AJ is okay.

03-15-2011, 05:27 PM	#3491
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Who booked this crap?

03-15-2011, 07:40 PM	#3492
TexasT Mascot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seguin, Texas	Is there anyone else that cannot stand Michael Cole! What an ass. I don't see why they don't get rid of the guy. Doesn't do anything at all for the show.

03-15-2011, 07:42 PM	#3493
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I feel guilty that I actually want to check out TNA this week. I always DVR it, but I don't always get around to watching it, but I kind of want to see where they go from here.

03-15-2011, 09:49 PM	#3497
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I'm enjoying Cole a lot. The whole Cole/Lawler angle on Raw was a lot of fun. Especially how Brian Christopher gassed himself so much during his dancing entrance that he had no breath left for his lines. It was worth it though, because he still had the moves (just not the cardio). And Michael Cole dancing in the background was tremendous. Perhaps I'm just easily amused. Though, I think that's an important trait if you're going to be a pro wrestling fan. I'm hoping he doesn't just go back to being a regular announcer after Mania - I'd love to see him in any other authority/manager type role. Last edited by molson : 03-15-2011 at 09:59 PM.

03-16-2011, 03:12 PM	#3498
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	i like heel Cole. before he was just a cringworthy face anouncer. now hes an asshole you want to see get his ass kicked, which is what a good heel makes you feel

03-17-2011, 04:29 AM	#3500
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	My problem with Cole is that while I hate him, it's more because he shits on good stuff by talking over everything. He's too over the top and needs to know when to let the action speak for itself. I like good heels, I don't like annoying heels. He's just annoying.