NFL 2018 Off Season Thread - Page 2

miami_fan · 02-08-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I understand but I wonder if we should hold such a position any different than any others in the job market? He did not break or renege on a contract (which would be a legal offense, I presume), he just changed his mind at the last minute - just like you and I and many others have experienced when we hire or try to hire or know of hirings that fall through. Just because this is more public than my company filling an IT spot or your college filling an associate spot, should it be different?

DeAndre Jordan got crushed in some circles for doing a similar thing to the Mavs a couple of years ago.

Shkspr · 02-08-2018, 08:23 AM

Oh, sure, Jordan took some flak for that, but at least now he gets to suit up every night alongside stars like Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.

molson · 02-08-2018, 10:14 AM

The rules of professional courtesy seem a lot different in the NFL than most businesses. I guess at some level I get that, it's more cut throat, there's not much job security, there's a ton of competition for every job, so there's a mentality among coaches and players that you have to get yours however you can no matter how that impacts anyone else. Even in that world this seems over the top, but, who the hell knows what his motivations are.

Edit: It is kind of amusing how most of us are expected to follow these rules of courtesy, to consider the impact of our choices on others, etc, but millionaire athletes and coaches normally are expected to put themselves first at any cost, "It's a business!"

Logan · 02-08-2018, 10:29 AM

Then again, if the NFL's rules weren't what they are, McDaniels signs his contract with the Colts a few weeks ago and then officially takes over as HC the day after the Super Bowl.

Logan · 02-08-2018, 12:36 PM

Mike Garafolo‏
@MikeGarafolo

The 49ers and QB Jimmy Garoppolo have agreed to a five-year, $137.5 million contract, source says. The biggest deal in NFL history on a average-per-year basis.

albionmoonlight · 02-08-2018, 12:45 PM

Smart by 49ers. He’s your guy going forward. Don’t play games. Look professional and committed to winning for upcoming FAs.

BishopMVP · 02-08-2018, 12:55 PM

They also have a metric ton of current cap space and basically no money tied up long term outside of Solomon Thomas San Francisco 49ers Player Contracts, Salaries, & Transactions | Spotrac

Like any QB contract it'll be interesting to see if there are any spots the team can move on after year 3 or 4 without a huge cap penalty, but the Niners were certainly in a position where there was no need to pinch dollars early in the contract. (That'll also be interesting - I wonder if they'd be the first NFL team I can think of to push for a flat contract given their cap situation and hope that they'll have enough talent to be up against the cap 3-4 years down the line.)

It also looks like Josh McCown has now been passed for the most lucrative 5 game QB stretch in league history!

Logan · 02-08-2018, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

That'll also be interesting - I wonder if they'd be the first NFL team I can think of to push for a flat contract given their cap situation and hope that they'll have enough talent to be up against the cap 3-4 years down the line.)

I think Brady is the first guy with a flat contract since his cap money never actually seems to go up

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Buccaneer · 02-08-2018, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I think Brady is the first guy with a flat contract since his cap money never actually seems to go up

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He only makes $1.95 but they guaranteed him that he will play in the Super Bowl every year.

Galaril · 02-08-2018, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Agreed. Of course, I thought Belichick would suck after his first job in Cleveland...

He'll need to find his Brady as well .

stevew · 02-08-2018, 10:37 PM

Eagles long-snapper: Team ran fake walk-through in the event Pats were watching – ProFootballTalk

sounds about right.

Julio Riddols · 02-08-2018, 10:52 PM

The amount the San Francisco offense improved when switching to Garoppolo was enough to tell me he's the guy. No question. San Fran instantly becomes one of the NFC favorites for me next season and into the future.

It's crazy how quickly he got acclimated. I wonder if they are eligible for Hard Knocks.

Logan · 02-09-2018, 07:23 AM

Re: anything you saw about Brady wanting to get Jimmy G money, or he'd sit out OTAs, etc...

The Boston Herald likely will be retracting a Patriots story, again – ProFootballTalk

molson · 02-09-2018, 10:36 AM

Ron Borges was fired from the Herald years ago for plagiarism. Didn't realize they brought him back. What a dignified newspaper that is.

Suicane75 · 02-09-2018, 10:55 AM

That alternate Pats helmet in the story is beautiful.

Buccaneer · 02-09-2018, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

That alternate Pats helmet in the story is beautiful.

I fully agree. Is that a Blaze? My son wants to start another helmet collection but this time of Blaze helmets.

cuervo72 · 02-09-2018, 07:29 PM

Reminded me a little of one of the Oilers' styles from the 60s.

NobodyHere · 02-11-2018, 03:44 PM

Here we go again

Report: Colts finalizing deal for Frank Reich as new head coach

I definitely prefer Reich over McDaniels

miami_fan · 02-11-2018, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Here we go again

Report: Colts finalizing deal for Frank Reich as new head coach

I definitely prefer Reich over McDaniels

Probably should wait until the ink is dry.

Racer · 02-11-2018, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Here we go again

Report: Colts finalizing deal for Frank Reich as new head coach

I definitely prefer Reich over McDaniels

Same here. I didn't have confidence McDaniels would succeed as the Colts' head coach based on his time in Denver.

BYU 14 · 02-11-2018, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Same here. I didn't have confidence McDaniels would succeed as the Colts' head coach based on his time in Denver.

Reich is definitely an upgrade IMO

NobodyHere · 02-11-2018, 10:02 PM

Not a good start to the 49ers offseason

Reuben Foster arrested on domestic violence charges

Warhammer · 02-11-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

Reich is definitely an upgrade IMO

It would be cool if he coached the greatest NFL comeback.

BishopMVP · 02-11-2018, 11:14 PM

I'm skeptical of OC's who don't call the plays, but Pederson had the same questions about how much was him & how much was Andy Reid when he was first hired. And Reich has coached in Indy before, so they have some familiarity.

Unfortunate timing for the Eagles as their QB coach took the Vikings OC job a couple days ago, you'd have to guess he was a possible replacement at OC.

EagleFan · 02-12-2018, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Not a good start to the 49ers offseason

Reuben Foster arrested on domestic violence charges

First an insane contract signing and now this. They could become the Browns of the NFC.

albionmoonlight · 02-12-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

First an insane contract signing and now this. They could become the Browns of the NFC.

Foster was a top-10 talent that fell to 31 b/c of the specter of stuff like this. I don't fault the 49ers for taking the chance at that point.

Doubt that he even finishes his rookie contract with them now. I see a trade for a conditional 6th rounder to some other team. The 49ers will be tired of his shit, but one of the other 31 teams will put on that college tape and decide to take a chance.

Vince, Pt. II · 02-12-2018, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Foster was a top-10 talent that fell to 31 b/c of the specter of stuff like this. I don't fault the 49ers for taking the chance at that point.

Doubt that he even finishes his rookie contract with them now. I see a trade for a conditional 6th rounder to some other team. The 49ers will be tired of his shit, but one of the other 31 teams will put on that college tape and decide to take a chance.

So disappointing. He's crazy talented. I may be slightly biased because my brother was able to score me an autographed jersey of his last season.

While part of me hopes that a come-to-jesus meeting with him explaining that there will be zero tolerance for this moving forward can lead to him figuring his shit out and getting back to the straight and narrow, I'm pretty sure the smarter move is to cut bait. Let this die down a little, then closer to the beginning of the season (when this isn't so fresh in peoples' minds) find a trade partner like albion suggests who is willing to give you SOME return on that same potential. There have just been far too many incidents like this with the 49ers lately, and this is a turning point for the franchise; with the Garappolo signing you need to distance yourself as a franchise from the nonsense that was prevalent with previous regimes (Aldon Smith, Ray McDonald, Ahmad Brooks, probably more that I'm not remembering).

miami_fan · 02-15-2018, 06:02 PM

Meet the NFL's newest UFA

AJ McCarron wins grievance against Cincinnati Bengals, will be unrestricted free agent

JPhillips · 02-15-2018, 06:25 PM

So fucking Bengals.

BishopMVP · 02-15-2018, 07:48 PM

Something positive for the Browns?

I wonder when he filed the grievance. If the Bengals knew about it before the trade deadline they should've been pushing harder to trade him, and holding the Browns hands and walking them through the trade process if necessary.

bhlloy · 02-15-2018, 08:27 PM

The Browns will sign him to a Glennon deal, pass all over all the QBs in the draft and then have him rupture every tendon in his leg 10 mins into training camp.

Julio Riddols · 02-15-2018, 10:39 PM

Good for McCarron. Bengals shouldn't have fucked around. That said, they'll probably get a 3rd round supplemental pick for it..

Not as good as a high 2nd though. One they could have used on a top tier OL.

stevew · 02-16-2018, 06:29 AM

Browns should sign AJ and turn their picks into a bunch of current/future picks. Draft 4-5 linemen this year in the first 3 rounds.

stevew · 02-16-2018, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Something positive for the Browns?

I wonder when he filed the grievance. If the Bengals knew about it before the trade deadline they should've been pushing harder to trade him, and holding the Browns hands and walking them through the trade process if necessary.

He filed that a year ago.

Next one of these type of things will determine if Bridgewater's deal tolls or if he's a UFA.

NobodyHere · 02-20-2018, 09:43 PM

Brian Cushing announces NFL retirement on Instagram

Thomkal · 02-24-2018, 08:09 PM

Blake Bortles gets his money from JAX:

Jacksonville Jaguars reach 3-year extension with QB Blake Bortles

Scarecrow · 02-26-2018, 02:58 PM

The outcome of the Marcus Peters trade:

The Chiefs send:
- Marcus Peters
- 2018 6th round pick

The Rams send:
- 2018 4th round pick
- 2019 2nd round pick

So it ends up being Peters for a 2nd round pick. The changing of the 4th for 6th is nothing more than compensation for the 2nd being in 2019 (LA doesn't have a 2nd in 2018). KC fans might not like it, but since Peters had already announce he was not going to re-sign with KC and he was planning on sitting out as much as he could in 2018, this is a fair deal.

I also think the fact that only the Rams and the 49ers were interested in him (and not the Browns or Colts whose GMs drafted him) speaks volumes in his attitude.

Logan · 02-26-2018, 03:27 PM

People seem to care a lot more about players' attitude during the offseason than they do when they play at a Pro Bowl level during the season.

NobodyHere · 02-26-2018, 04:56 PM

Roger Goodell Expected to Demand Millions of Dollars From Jerry Jones

I really hope Goodell fails

miami_fan · 02-26-2018, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Roger Goodell Expected to Demand Millions of Dollars From Jerry Jones

I really hope Goodell fails

Is this still a fight between Team Jerry Jones and Team Arthur Blank?

I might have to back Team Blank on this one if that is the case.

RainMaker · 02-26-2018, 06:31 PM

Not sure about the Jags cap situation but that felt like a team that should have gone all in on Cousins. They're a halfway decent QB away from being a championship team. Heck, I think I'd settle for Eli over Bortles too.

Sounds like the Vikings are going after Cousins now.

EagleFan · 02-26-2018, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Roger Goodell Expected to Demand Millions of Dollars From Jerry Jones

I really hope Goodell fails

I hope he gets every cent possible out of the face lift creep.

Atocep · 02-26-2018, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Roger Goodell Expected to Demand Millions of Dollars From Jerry Jones

I really hope Goodell fails

I don't think this is Goodell acting alone. For him to do this he has to have an overwhelming majority of owners backing him. I think Jerry has worn out everyone's patience and this is his punishment for all the bullshit.

Vince, Pt. II · 02-26-2018, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

I don't think this is Goodell acting alone. For him to do this he has to have an overwhelming majority of owners backing him. I think Jerry has worn out everyone's patience and this is his punishment for all the bullshit.

It's either this or Goodell is going to be out on his ass shortly, I'd imagine. Hard to think that he'd do this without the backing of the others, but we've seen stupider things before.

albionmoonlight · 02-27-2018, 07:42 AM

Goddell is a coward and a horrible leader. He would not put his neck out like this without a powerful group of owners behind him.

jbergey22 · 02-27-2018, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Not sure about the Jags cap situation but that felt like a team that should have gone all in on Cousins. They're a halfway decent QB away from being a championship team. Heck, I think I'd settle for Eli over Bortles too.

Sounds like the Vikings are going after Cousins now.

I think it seems unlikely. Vikings dont want to get in that bidding war and I am sure they would be more than happy to get Keenum back in the 15m-20m range as the market dries up a bit. Also, Zimmer cares too much about defense and they need to keep cap space free to sign some of their own defensive players after next season.

jbergey22 · 02-27-2018, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Goddell is a coward and a horrible leader. He would not put his neck out like this without a powerful group of owners behind him.

Well said! Jones had the right idea and it is unfortunate the other owners didnt back him up.

Logan · 02-27-2018, 12:24 PM

Seems like there a couple of potential rule changes being talked about:

- Eliminating the "going to the ground" piece of the catch rule

- Changing defensive pass interference from a spot foul to a max of 15 yards

Logan · 02-27-2018, 12:31 PM

BTW I missed this in the post-Marcus Peters trade until it got retweeted again by @OldTakesExposed but damn is it not amazing.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/02/...ever-fake-new/

JonInMiddleGA · 02-27-2018, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Well said! Jones had the right idea and it is unfortunate the other owners didnt back him up.

I tend to be in this camp as well.

02-08-2018, 10:14 AM	#53
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	The rules of professional courtesy seem a lot different in the NFL than most businesses. I guess at some level I get that, it's more cut throat, there's not much job security, there's a ton of competition for every job, so there's a mentality among coaches and players that you have to get yours however you can no matter how that impacts anyone else. Even in that world this seems over the top, but, who the hell knows what his motivations are. Edit: It is kind of amusing how most of us are expected to follow these rules of courtesy, to consider the impact of our choices on others, etc, but millionaire athletes and coaches normally are expected to put themselves first at any cost, "It's a business!" Last edited by molson : 02-08-2018 at 10:20 AM.

02-08-2018, 12:55 PM	#57
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	They also have a metric ton of current cap space and basically no money tied up long term outside of Solomon Thomas San Francisco 49ers Player Contracts, Salaries, & Transactions \| Spotrac Like any QB contract it'll be interesting to see if there are any spots the team can move on after year 3 or 4 without a huge cap penalty, but the Niners were certainly in a position where there was no need to pinch dollars early in the contract. (That'll also be interesting - I wonder if they'd be the first NFL team I can think of to push for a flat contract given their cap situation and hope that they'll have enough talent to be up against the cap 3-4 years down the line.) It also looks like Josh McCown has now been passed for the most lucrative 5 game QB stretch in league history! Last edited by BishopMVP : 02-08-2018 at 12:55 PM.

02-08-2018, 10:52 PM	#62
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	The amount the San Francisco offense improved when switching to Garoppolo was enough to tell me he's the guy. No question. San Fran instantly becomes one of the NFC favorites for me next season and into the future. It's crazy how quickly he got acclimated. I wonder if they are eligible for Hard Knocks. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA Last edited by Julio Riddols : 02-08-2018 at 10:53 PM.

02-09-2018, 07:29 PM	#67
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Reminded me a little of one of the Oilers' styles from the 60s. __________________ null

02-11-2018, 03:44 PM	#68
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Here we go again Report: Colts finalizing deal for Frank Reich as new head coach I definitely prefer Reich over McDaniels __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

02-08-2018, 08:23 AM	#52
Shkspr College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX	Oh, sure, Jordan took some flak for that, but at least now he gets to suit up every night alongside stars like Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.

02-08-2018, 10:29 AM	#54
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Then again, if the NFL's rules weren't what they are, McDaniels signs his contract with the Colts a few weeks ago and then officially takes over as HC the day after the Super Bowl.

02-08-2018, 12:36 PM	#55
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Mike Garafolo‏ @MikeGarafolo The 49ers and QB Jimmy Garoppolo have agreed to a five-year, $137.5 million contract, source says. The biggest deal in NFL history on a average-per-year basis.

02-08-2018, 12:45 PM	#56
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Smart by 49ers. He’s your guy going forward. Don’t play games. Look professional and committed to winning for upcoming FAs.

02-08-2018, 10:37 PM	#61
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Eagles long-snapper: Team ran fake walk-through in the event Pats were watching – ProFootballTalk sounds about right.

02-09-2018, 07:23 AM	#63
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Re: anything you saw about Brady wanting to get Jimmy G money, or he'd sit out OTAs, etc... The Boston Herald likely will be retracting a Patriots story, again – ProFootballTalk

02-09-2018, 10:36 AM	#64
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Ron Borges was fired from the Herald years ago for plagiarism. Didn't realize they brought him back. What a dignified newspaper that is.

02-09-2018, 10:55 AM	#65
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	That alternate Pats helmet in the story is beautiful.

02-11-2018, 10:02 PM	#72
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Not a good start to the 49ers offseason Reuben Foster arrested on domestic violence charges __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

02-11-2018, 11:14 PM	#74
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	I'm skeptical of OC's who don't call the plays, but Pederson had the same questions about how much was him & how much was Andy Reid when he was first hired. And Reich has coached in Indy before, so they have some familiarity. Unfortunate timing for the Eagles as their QB coach took the Vikings OC job a couple days ago, you'd have to guess he was a possible replacement at OC.

02-15-2018, 06:02 PM	#78
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Meet the NFL's newest UFA AJ McCarron wins grievance against Cincinnati Bengals, will be unrestricted free agent __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

02-15-2018, 06:25 PM	#79
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	So fucking Bengals. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-15-2018, 07:48 PM	#80
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Something positive for the Browns? I wonder when he filed the grievance. If the Bengals knew about it before the trade deadline they should've been pushing harder to trade him, and holding the Browns hands and walking them through the trade process if necessary.

02-15-2018, 08:27 PM	#81
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	The Browns will sign him to a Glennon deal, pass all over all the QBs in the draft and then have him rupture every tendon in his leg 10 mins into training camp.

02-15-2018, 10:39 PM	#82
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Good for McCarron. Bengals shouldn't have fucked around. That said, they'll probably get a 3rd round supplemental pick for it.. Not as good as a high 2nd though. One they could have used on a top tier OL. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA Last edited by Julio Riddols : 02-15-2018 at 10:39 PM.

02-16-2018, 06:29 AM	#83
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Browns should sign AJ and turn their picks into a bunch of current/future picks. Draft 4-5 linemen this year in the first 3 rounds.

02-20-2018, 09:43 PM	#85
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Brian Cushing announces NFL retirement on Instagram __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

02-24-2018, 08:09 PM	#86
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Blake Bortles gets his money from JAX: Jacksonville Jaguars reach 3-year extension with QB Blake Bortles __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

02-26-2018, 02:58 PM	#87
Scarecrow College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Flatlands of America	The outcome of the Marcus Peters trade: The Chiefs send: - Marcus Peters - 2018 6th round pick The Rams send: - 2018 4th round pick - 2019 2nd round pick So it ends up being Peters for a 2nd round pick. The changing of the 4th for 6th is nothing more than compensation for the 2nd being in 2019 (LA doesn't have a 2nd in 2018). KC fans might not like it, but since Peters had already announce he was not going to re-sign with KC and he was planning on sitting out as much as he could in 2018, this is a fair deal. I also think the fact that only the Rams and the 49ers were interested in him (and not the Browns or Colts whose GMs drafted him) speaks volumes in his attitude. __________________ Post Count: Eleventy Billion - so deal with it!

02-26-2018, 03:27 PM	#88
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	People seem to care a lot more about players' attitude during the offseason than they do when they play at a Pro Bowl level during the season.

02-26-2018, 04:56 PM	#89
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Roger Goodell Expected to Demand Millions of Dollars From Jerry Jones I really hope Goodell fails __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

02-26-2018, 06:31 PM	#91
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Not sure about the Jags cap situation but that felt like a team that should have gone all in on Cousins. They're a halfway decent QB away from being a championship team. Heck, I think I'd settle for Eli over Bortles too. Sounds like the Vikings are going after Cousins now.

02-27-2018, 07:42 AM	#95
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Goddell is a coward and a horrible leader. He would not put his neck out like this without a powerful group of owners behind him.

02-27-2018, 12:24 PM	#98
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Seems like there a couple of potential rule changes being talked about: - Eliminating the "going to the ground" piece of the catch rule - Changing defensive pass interference from a spot foul to a max of 15 yards

02-27-2018, 12:31 PM	#99
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	BTW I missed this in the post-Marcus Peters trade until it got retweeted again by @OldTakesExposed but damn is it not amazing. https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/02/...ever-fake-new/

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