Werewolf LI Major League (GAME OVER!!! INDIANS--GOOD GUYS--WIN!!!) - Page 4

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-06-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Ouch! Who are you, Dorn?!? Questioning my value! I have the ability to sway a baseball game through motivation, late game replacements, etc. Hell, worse comes to worse, I can have a heart attack and Jake Taylor can give one of those sappy win one for the Gipper speeches!

Sorry. All these years of being a Pirates' fan has made me forget what a good manager can mean to a team.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-06-2007, 09:26 PM

Ok, after going back and reading through the day again, I'm going to go ahead and throw a vote out there. I'm not convinced that he's evil, but what else do we have to go on today? Plus, I really don't like how he was so eager to get the first vote on hoopsguy, especially with the tie breakers being what they are. Throw in Lathum's vote immediately after Barkeep's and it smells fishy to me.

VOTE BARKEEP

PurdueBrad · 08-06-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Sorry. All these years of being a Pirates' fan has made me forget what a good manager can mean to a team.

Pirate fan here too, I'll just try to avoid bring Jim Tracy-like qualities to the Lou Brown era of the Indians!

hoopsguy · 08-06-2007, 10:01 PM

For what it is worth, I got my answer from Chief via PM. I'm hoping that he will state the answer here as well.

Short version - it is up to us to figure out how talent is allocated. I'm sure he'll give a longer answer if he is so inclined. He is Chief Rum, so I would expect the longer answer

hoopsguy · 08-06-2007, 10:02 PM

Barkeep, I'll accept an apology in the form of an unvote, even though you still have put me at risk on the vote tomorrow night.

Chief Rum · 08-06-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

That is in the rules. I see nothing that talks about order of action, which is a key component of the effectiveness of a player.

I'm not suggesting that Jake Taylor is the bodyguard or something like that. I'm suggesting, without knowing one way or the other, that he is more likely to have the ability to impact the outcome of the game.

I'm more than willing to pose this question to the GM to answer. If he says that was determined through random.org, then I'm fine with coming forward with information on role.

I responded to hoops' query in a PM, but he wanted me to also state it here, which is fine.

I'm afriad I cannot offer any further guidance on if in-movie ability is related at all to the talent list. You all will have to work this out for yourselves.

Chief Rum · 08-06-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chief - will we publicly learn when a player has successfully used a "Step It Up" action to influence the outcome of a game? Is this captured in a night actions summary post, for example?

Yes, it should be clear from the right up, whose action was used, as it will be the key play of the game. If not, though, you can ask, and I will say explicitly. This will be publically revealed information at every deadline.

Chief Rum · 08-06-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

* I'm somewhat surprised that Lou Brown is in the game. I can see how the rest of us can "step up" to win a game, but what can a manager really do?.

You must be a sabermetrics fan.

st.cronin · 08-07-2007, 12:35 AM

Crafty lefty just now checking in, haven't yet read the rules or the thread.

st.cronin · 08-07-2007, 12:40 AM

Vote PurdueBrad

Staying away from hoops and Barkeep today.

KWhit · 08-07-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Vote PurdueBrad

Staying away from hoops and Barkeep today.

Any real reason to vote for PB?

Other than the fact that we have to vote for someone and it's day one?

DaddyTorgo · 08-07-2007, 08:44 AM

VOTE ST. CRONIN

says he hasn't read the thread, then 5 minutes later votes for PurdueBrad without explanation.

MikeVic · 08-07-2007, 08:45 AM

Ok, so we don't know if knowing which players we are affects the game at all. And I don't know who to vote for either.

Are we going to follow a schedule for the step-it-up?

Passacaglia · 08-07-2007, 09:04 AM

Morning check-in from me. I feel like BK and hoops just always need to find something to argue about on Day 1 (didn't this just happen a game or two ago?), so I'm inclined to vote elsewhere. On the other hand, Barkeep's game has been pretty confusing, so I'm inclined to vote for him. It's a tough call at this point.

st.cronin · 08-07-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Any real reason to vote for PB?

No.

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Other than the fact that we have to vote for someone and it's day one?

Pretty much. Also an unusually high ratio of posts to useful posts.

And I just don't want to vote for BK or hoops, it has the smell of villager on villager crime. I'm willing to revisit it down the road, but not on day 1.

path12 · 08-07-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Ok, so we don't know if knowing which players we are affects the game at all. And I don't know who to vote for either.

Are we going to follow a schedule for the step-it-up?

Jack Parkman is steppin' it up tonight. Stand back.

Barkeep49 · 08-07-2007, 09:25 AM

I'm glad we've settled on confusing for me this game rather than aggressive. I was so tired of aggressive. Confusing is new and different.

st.cronin · 08-07-2007, 09:29 AM

I was going to describe BK as "aggressively confusing," but never mind.

Passacaglia · 08-07-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm glad we've settled on confusing for me this game rather than aggressive. I was so tired of aggressive. Confusing is new and different.

Seriously? You'd rather whine about it than clear it up?

MikeVic · 08-07-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

Jack Parkman is steppin' it up tonight. Stand back.

I'll have you know I'm a valuable member of this team, still able to contribute in any way I can. All that talk about retirement was nonsense.

path12 · 08-07-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I'll have you know I'm a valuable member of this team, still able to contribute in any way I can. All that talk about retirement was nonsense.

Hey, Jack Parkman appreciates all that you little people do. I may even remember you when I give my Hall of Fame speech. But when it comes to winning the game, step aside old man.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 09:50 AM

Current vote count:

Hoops - Barkeep (74), Lathum (75)
Barkeep - JE (152)
Purdue - Cronin (160)
Cronin - Torgo (162)

KWhit · 08-07-2007, 09:54 AM

I wish I could join in all of this roleplaying, but I'm a no-name sucha nd such.

Oh yeah, I have haven't seen the movie in about 20 years, so I don't remember anything about it anyway.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 09:54 AM

I've got two goals for today:
1. Get someone to attract more votes than me (duh)
2. Get some more conversation on the "step it up" action plan. We need to have a structure in place with enough time for people to act upon it. A couple of us have floated an initial plan - do people see a better approach than the one listed in the thread? Weaknesses in the current plan that we can address?

KWhit · 08-07-2007, 09:55 AM

Obviously, that should read:

Oh yeah, I haven't seen the movie in about 20 years, so I don't remember anything about it anyway.

Barkeep49 · 08-07-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Seriously? You'd rather whine about it than clear it up?

Wasn't a whine, was more relief.

Not sure what people find confusing about it at this point, as I thought I'd responded to anything specific. If you want to state what you find confusing I can respond to it.

Barkeep49 · 08-07-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I've got two goals for today:
1. Get someone to attract more votes than me (duh)
2. Get some more conversation on the "step it up" action plan. We need to have a structure in place with enough time for people to act upon it. A couple of us have floated an initial plan - do people see a better approach than the one listed in the thread? Weaknesses in the current plan that we can address?

Biggest weakness is the uncertainty over who will still be around due to lynchings/kills. Otherwise I'm all for it and will step up my rather weak game whenever I'm asked.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 09:57 AM

Barkeep, I'm confused why you have left your vote on me.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 10:01 AM

Also, the "pity party" Barkeep is less fun than the aggressive Barkeep, who is less fun than the cerebral/engaged Barkeep. Just my $.02.

Celeval · 08-07-2007, 10:09 AM

I've been reading but not posting much yet - I, like most, don't see a very specific target for day one yet. Nor will I be stepping it up tonight. Not that I'm sure my stepping it up will help much - I would be very surprised if I was one of the better players on the team. And Parkman, despite being an ass, is a pretty good ballplayer, so if he's stepping it up tonight, I'll stay out of his way.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 10:12 AM

Another note - I'm not looking to get people to reveal their character just yet but I am concerned that two different people have hinted at the Jake Taylor character. Now maybe I'm not reading the tea leaves correctly, as neither participant has outright claimed the role.

Has anyone else seen this? If you look back at my posted list from yesterday, you will see that I thought Celeval was claiming Jake (post #69) but today Mike Vic (post #170) said something about retirement. This was on top of him saying he was indispensible yesterday.

Looking at those two posts - I'll pull them up in a couple of minutes - do people see other players that those guys might be? I feel like I know the first movie pretty well, even if it has been years since I watched it, but there are undoubtedly others out there who know the movie better.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

*bleary-eyed* Damnit, this is starting already? Christ, I'm hung over, my knees are killin' me and if you're going to pull this shit at least you could've said you were from the Yankees.

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I didn't think of using more than one step-it-up power a night, but that makes 100% sense.

Since I'm indispensable to the team, I can use mine when we most need it.

Oh, and I'm a simple villager too.

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I'll have you know I'm a valuable member of this team, still able to contribute in any way I can. All that talk about retirement was nonsense.

Those are the quotes. Although I wasn't in favor of revealing roles with the bad guys knowing they had a safe haven when making a claim, I will try to analyze what people post. And these are the posts that, when taken together, had me wondering what is up with Jake Taylor.

Was there another member on the team that had bad knees who would be hung over?

Was there another member on the team that was talking about retirement?

MikeVic · 08-07-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Those are the quotes. Although I wasn't in favor of revealing roles with the bad guys knowing they had a safe haven when making a claim, I will try to analyze what people post. And these are the posts that, when taken together, had me wondering what is up with Jake Taylor.

Was there another member on the team that had bad knees who would be hung over?

Was there another member on the team that was talking about retirement?

I'm not Jake Taylor!

KWhit · 08-07-2007, 10:22 AM

Very interesting. I have no idea about the characters, so I can't help judge the meaning behind the two posts.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I'm not Jake Taylor!

OK, that helps. I'll try and work out who else might have been considering retirement among the other remaining players.

Again, sorry for reading the hints, intended or inadvertant, incorrectly.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 10:29 AM

Unclaimed - Rube Baker, Roger Dorn, Pedro Cerrano, Jake Tomlinson

I'm obviously one of these people. Jake Tomlinson is a generic dude. So that leaves two people for me to search for retirement info within the movie scripts. And I think the retirement could fit for one of them, if I'm correctly recalling what I read about ML2 yesterday ...

Celeval · 08-07-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, that helps. I'll try and work out who else might have been considering retirement among the other remaining players.

Again, sorry for reading the hints, intended or inadvertant, incorrectly.

FWIW, Dorn is semi-retired in the second movie, but only talks about plans for retirement during the first (and it's certainly not implied that he would be next season). Other than that, the only other serious veteran I can think of is the pitcher, but I think he's already been hinted at.

PurdueBrad · 08-07-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Pretty much. Also an unusually high ratio of posts to useful posts.

And I just don't want to vote for BK or hoops, it has the smell of villager on villager crime. I'm willing to revisit it down the road, but not on day 1.

Ouch! I'm going to have to blame my wife if I get lynched! She's out of town for a couple days and I'm bored so I've been on here spending time. But that's cool, another reason to guilt her for leaving me here with our crazy dogs.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 10:32 AM

Yep, Dorn is the guy I had in mind.

From IMDB:

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Roger Dorn retired and has replaced Rachel Phelps as the owner of the team. Catcher Jake Taylor has also retired to become one of the coaches who work for manager Lou Brown.

MikeVic · 08-07-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, that helps. I'll try and work out who else might have been considering retirement among the other remaining players.

Again, sorry for reading the hints, intended or inadvertant, incorrectly.

(OOC, I might be mixing Major League I and II together. I have a scene in my mind that I liked a lot (involving my character) that I thought for sure was from the first movie. I could be wrong).

MikeVic · 08-07-2007, 10:35 AM

(OOC, What movie had the scene where Dorn opened his trenchcoat to reveal that he wasn't retired anymore? I'm thinking that's the second movie now).

Celeval · 08-07-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Unclaimed - Rube Baker, Roger Dorn, Pedro Cerrano, Jake Tomlinson

I'm obviously one of these people. Jake Tomlinson is a generic dude. So that leaves two people for me to search for retirement info within the movie scripts. And I think the retirement could fit for one of them, if I'm correctly recalling what I read about ML2 yesterday ...

You're assuming he's not making up a background for a generic dude as well.

Celeval · 08-07-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

(OOC, What movie had the scene where Dorn opened his trenchcoat to reveal that he wasn't retired anymore? I'm thinking that's the second movie now).

Second movie. First movie, Dorn plays the whole time and third movie is about a minor league team (not the Indians - the Salt Lake City Buzz?)

Gonzo · 08-07-2007, 10:39 AM

Does this whole name thing really matter? It sounds like its more for flavour than a serious game mechanic.

hoopsguy · 08-07-2007, 10:44 AM

Gonzo, only as it relates to the initial talent distribution. If it is based on Chief Rum's interpretations of their ability to step up, rather than randomly generated, then I think the names are pretty important.

If it is random.org then the names don't mean much at all and there is absolutely no harm done with the discussion of them up to this point.

MikeVic · 08-07-2007, 10:49 AM

I'm still not sure if the talent somehow relates to a character's role in the movie, but I just wanted to have some more fun with my character. And given my character, I don't think the talent would be very high.

Barkeep49 · 08-07-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Barkeep, I'm confused why you have left your vote on me.

Haven't seen anywhere better to place it.

DaddyTorgo · 08-07-2007, 10:54 AM

my vote stays on cronin and I urge my fellow villagers to join me. There's just no way he checks in and says he hasn't read the thread or the rules and then 5 minutes later drops a vote on a guy who isn't a usual player. shit...100% of the time I don't even know who all is playing, let alone what the rules are 5 minutes after checking in.

something's fishy about that.

Barkeep49 · 08-07-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, the "pity party" Barkeep is less fun than the aggressive Barkeep, who is less fun than the cerebral/engaged Barkeep. Just my $.02.

The cereberal/engaged BK doesn't come out until later in the game when there is stuff to engage.

Barkeep49 · 08-07-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Gonzo, only as it relates to the initial talent distribution. If it is based on Chief Rum's interpretations of their ability to step up, rather than randomly generated, then I think the names are pretty important.

If it is random.org then the names don't mean much at all and there is absolutely no harm done with the discussion of them up to this point.

I would have to believe that position players have more abilities than someone like me who is a pinch hitter. Now whether it's random with-in those groups or not is up for debate. But if, as I believe, it's not completely random, then I am not sure I would believe it's at all random.

08-07-2007, 12:35 AM	#159
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Crafty lefty just now checking in, haven't yet read the rules or the thread. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-07-2007, 12:40 AM	#160
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Vote PurdueBrad Staying away from hoops and Barkeep today. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-07-2007, 09:29 AM	#168
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I was going to describe BK as "aggressively confusing," but never mind. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-06-2007, 09:26 PM	#152
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Ok, after going back and reading through the day again, I'm going to go ahead and throw a vote out there. I'm not convinced that he's evil, but what else do we have to go on today? Plus, I really don't like how he was so eager to get the first vote on hoopsguy, especially with the tie breakers being what they are. Throw in Lathum's vote immediately after Barkeep's and it smells fishy to me. VOTE BARKEEP

08-06-2007, 10:01 PM	#154
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	For what it is worth, I got my answer from Chief via PM. I'm hoping that he will state the answer here as well. Short version - it is up to us to figure out how talent is allocated. I'm sure he'll give a longer answer if he is so inclined. He is Chief Rum, so I would expect the longer answer

08-06-2007, 10:02 PM	#155
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Barkeep, I'll accept an apology in the form of an unvote, even though you still have put me at risk on the vote tomorrow night.

08-07-2007, 08:44 AM	#162
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	VOTE ST. CRONIN says he hasn't read the thread, then 5 minutes later votes for PurdueBrad without explanation.

08-07-2007, 08:45 AM	#163
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Ok, so we don't know if knowing which players we are affects the game at all. And I don't know who to vote for either. Are we going to follow a schedule for the step-it-up?

08-07-2007, 09:04 AM	#164
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Morning check-in from me. I feel like BK and hoops just always need to find something to argue about on Day 1 (didn't this just happen a game or two ago?), so I'm inclined to vote elsewhere. On the other hand, Barkeep's game has been pretty confusing, so I'm inclined to vote for him. It's a tough call at this point.

08-07-2007, 09:25 AM	#167
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'm glad we've settled on confusing for me this game rather than aggressive. I was so tired of aggressive. Confusing is new and different.

08-07-2007, 09:50 AM	#172
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Current vote count: Hoops - Barkeep (74), Lathum (75) Barkeep - JE (152) Purdue - Cronin (160) Cronin - Torgo (162)

08-07-2007, 09:54 AM	#173
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I wish I could join in all of this roleplaying, but I'm a no-name sucha nd such. Oh yeah, I have haven't seen the movie in about 20 years, so I don't remember anything about it anyway.

08-07-2007, 09:54 AM	#174
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I've got two goals for today: 1. Get someone to attract more votes than me (duh) 2. Get some more conversation on the "step it up" action plan. We need to have a structure in place with enough time for people to act upon it. A couple of us have floated an initial plan - do people see a better approach than the one listed in the thread? Weaknesses in the current plan that we can address?

08-07-2007, 09:55 AM	#175
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Obviously, that should read: Oh yeah, I haven't seen the movie in about 20 years, so I don't remember anything about it anyway.

08-07-2007, 09:57 AM	#178
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Barkeep, I'm confused why you have left your vote on me.

08-07-2007, 10:01 AM	#179
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Also, the "pity party" Barkeep is less fun than the aggressive Barkeep, who is less fun than the cerebral/engaged Barkeep. Just my $.02.

08-07-2007, 10:09 AM	#180
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	I've been reading but not posting much yet - I, like most, don't see a very specific target for day one yet. Nor will I be stepping it up tonight. Not that I'm sure my stepping it up will help much - I would be very surprised if I was one of the better players on the team. And Parkman, despite being an ass, is a pretty good ballplayer, so if he's stepping it up tonight, I'll stay out of his way.

08-07-2007, 10:12 AM	#181
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Another note - I'm not looking to get people to reveal their character just yet but I am concerned that two different people have hinted at the Jake Taylor character. Now maybe I'm not reading the tea leaves correctly, as neither participant has outright claimed the role. Has anyone else seen this? If you look back at my posted list from yesterday, you will see that I thought Celeval was claiming Jake (post #69) but today Mike Vic (post #170) said something about retirement. This was on top of him saying he was indispensible yesterday. Looking at those two posts - I'll pull them up in a couple of minutes - do people see other players that those guys might be? I feel like I know the first movie pretty well, even if it has been years since I watched it, but there are undoubtedly others out there who know the movie better.

08-07-2007, 10:22 AM	#184
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Very interesting. I have no idea about the characters, so I can't help judge the meaning behind the two posts.

08-07-2007, 10:29 AM	#186
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Unclaimed - Rube Baker, Roger Dorn, Pedro Cerrano, Jake Tomlinson I'm obviously one of these people. Jake Tomlinson is a generic dude. So that leaves two people for me to search for retirement info within the movie scripts. And I think the retirement could fit for one of them, if I'm correctly recalling what I read about ML2 yesterday ...

08-07-2007, 10:35 AM	#191
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	(OOC, What movie had the scene where Dorn opened his trenchcoat to reveal that he wasn't retired anymore? I'm thinking that's the second movie now).

08-07-2007, 10:39 AM	#194
Gonzo Mascot Join Date: Jul 2007	Does this whole name thing really matter? It sounds like its more for flavour than a serious game mechanic.

08-07-2007, 10:44 AM	#195
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Gonzo, only as it relates to the initial talent distribution. If it is based on Chief Rum's interpretations of their ability to step up, rather than randomly generated, then I think the names are pretty important. If it is random.org then the names don't mean much at all and there is absolutely no harm done with the discussion of them up to this point.

08-07-2007, 10:49 AM	#196
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I'm still not sure if the talent somehow relates to a character's role in the movie, but I just wanted to have some more fun with my character. And given my character, I don't think the talent would be very high.

08-07-2007, 10:54 AM	#198
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	my vote stays on cronin and I urge my fellow villagers to join me. There's just no way he checks in and says he hasn't read the thread or the rules and then 5 minutes later drops a vote on a guy who isn't a usual player. shit...100% of the time I don't even know who all is playing, let alone what the rules are 5 minutes after checking in. something's fishy about that.

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