werewolf LIV! Terror at the country club (GAME OVER WOLVES WIN) - Page 4

RPI-Fan · 09-05-2007, 07:21 PM

Because I sure as heck KNOW I'm not a wolf, I have to do whatever possible to get any one of the remaining 20 people who may be one.

Therefore, until some of the votes come off me:

VOTE NEON_CHAOS

Neon_Chaos · 09-05-2007, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Come on people, every9body KNOWS Cronin is always a wolf, even when he's a seer, he's still a wolf and all wolves must DIE....

Lol. QFT.

I'll probably switch to cronin later, just for shit and giggles.

molson · 09-05-2007, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Excellent deduction or clever ruse?

Or that whole sarcasm thing...

The third one.

My M.O. is that I have a hundred theories, and incredibly, defying all logic, ALL are always wrong.

RPI-Fan · 09-05-2007, 07:23 PM

Just saw Neon's changed vote...

UNVOTE NEON_CHAOS

Alan T · 09-05-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

As I said, I will probably be changing my vote tonight.

If you actually think that I was hoping for a runaway vote, then you give me less credit as a player, AlanT.

Unvote RPI-Fan

Vote AlanT

I call it as I see it. Just like now its the second time you've piled onto someone else's vote except this time you made it like a 4 way tie

molson · 09-05-2007, 07:27 PM

Do we know what happens in the case of a tie?

DaddyTorgo · 09-05-2007, 07:30 PM

I really have no idea who to vote for

RPI-Fan · 09-05-2007, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson

Do we know what happens in the case of a tie?

"...no lynch that day."

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I think it was Cronin who made a comment about changing Day 1 votes - my thoughts on this is that they are more-or-less random until some point where they aren't. That doesn't always happen on Day 1, but every once in awhile the wolves have to generate some movement to save one of their own. If I have a reason to believe that I'm picking up some kind of alliances then I absolutely think a villager should change his vote to test out his theory.

I do think changing votes is for the most part not a strong villager play on day 1. However, its not necessarily something I consider wolfish.

Lathum · 09-05-2007, 07:33 PM

updated vote count

Passacaglia- 1 Barkeep (125)
St.Cronin- 2 RenderR (95), Molson (148)
RPI-Fan- 2 Hoopsguy (82), Telle (107),
RenderR- 1 St.Cronin (87)
ChiefRum- 1 Passacaglia (115)
Crim- 1 Path12 (129)
Neon_Chaos- 2 AlanT (131), EagleFan (132)
EagleFan-1 RaidersArmy (140)
MrDNA- 1 ArlingtonColt
AlanT 2 MrDNA (143), Neon_Chaos (149)

Neon_Chaos · 09-05-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I call it as I see it. Just like now its the second time you've piled onto someone else's vote except this time you made it like a 4 way tie

I just voted for you because you voted for me.

If you removed your vote on me, I'll remove my vote on you. No more 4-way tie.

Barkeep49 · 09-05-2007, 07:33 PM

Since no one seems to like my Pass voting, I would agree that Neon's votes have repeatedly seemed designed to inspire a bandwagon.

Unvote Pass
Vote Neon Chaos

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 07:34 PM

If I need to move my vote, it will be to Neon.

Barkeep49 · 09-05-2007, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I do think changing votes is for the most part not a strong villager play on day 1. However, its not necessarily something I consider wolfish.

You've mentioned this in this game and earlier games and I just don't see it. Can you delve a little deeper into why you believe this?

Alan T · 09-05-2007, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I just voted for you because you voted for me.

If you removed your vote on me, I'll remove my vote on you. No more 4-way tie.

I don't really have any reason to move my vote honestly. We have to lynch someone, and I know the same amount about you as anyone else. Even if it means keeping votes one me and risking my death

MrBug708 · 09-05-2007, 07:40 PM

I'm unsure of what "best villager around" means? Does that mean they are good at convincing people of other things? Keeping track of certain facts? I've been out of the loop for a while so I was curious as to what that phrase means. I've seen it in a number of posts already

EagleFan · 09-05-2007, 07:40 PM

UNVOTE Neon_Chaos

VOTE Hoopsguy

Lathum · 09-05-2007, 07:40 PM

Just a reminder we are using a 24 hour clock so if you have a night action or wish to activate an item you must submit it with a 10:31 PM EST deadline.

molson · 09-05-2007, 07:43 PM

Not that you asked me Barkeep, but just passing time-

When someone changes a vote from wolf to villager, or vice versa, (after those identities are revealed later) could be relevant, but on day one, nobody knows who's who except a wolf. After that, thanks to tools/roles, etc, there will be some villagers who KNOW who else is innocent, and thus may change votes to protect someone.

So in a perfect world, if villagers have nothing to gain by switching votes on day 1, since they know nothing, than those that do change votes, are suspicious.

Since it's not a perfect world, and people don't necessarily agree with that, they may change votes for any number of other reasons, so I don't know how much it tells us.

Neon_Chaos · 09-05-2007, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't really have any reason to move my vote honestly. We have to lynch someone, and I know the same amount about you as anyone else. Even if it means keeping votes one me and risking my death

But you've got your vote on the wrong guy, and have probably started a bandwagon on me. Great move AlanT.

Barkeep49 · 09-05-2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson

Not that you asked me Barkeep, but just passing time-

When someone changes a vote from wolf to villager, or vice versa, (after those identities are revealed later) could be relevant, but on day one, nobody knows who's who except a wolf. After that, thanks to tools/roles, etc, there will be some villagers who KNOW who else is innocent, and thus may change votes to protect someone.

So in a perfect world, if villagers have nothing to gain by switching votes on day 1, since they know nothing, than those that do change votes, are suspicious.

Since it's not a perfect world, and people don't necessarily agree with that, they may change votes for any number of other reasons, so I don't know how much it tells us.

But what does having single votes on 9 different people tell us?

Barkeep49 · 09-05-2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

But you've got your vote on the wrong guy, and have probably started a bandwagon on me. Great move AlanT.

Versus how many bandwagons have you attempted today? Don't be a hater just cause he's better at it

EagleFan · 09-05-2007, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

But what does having single votes on 9 different people tell us?

Not an experienced player as this is my first time but I would say it would tell us who are not wolves (or are). Just a guess.

Neon_Chaos · 09-05-2007, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

But what does having single votes on 9 different people tell us?

Just so you know Barkeep. You seem to be against people voting for a big spread of people, and yet you are calling me out on apparently trying to start a bandwagon by voting for me? Isn't that a conflict right there?

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You've mentioned this in this game and earlier games and I just don't see it. Can you delve a little deeper into why you believe this?

Because changing a vote means something. But, on day 1, it doesn't really mean anything. Its the same as my theory about late votes being unfriendly votes - all it does is cause interference.

DaddyTorgo · 09-05-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Just so you know Barkeep. You seem to be against people voting for a big spread of people, and yet you are calling me out on apparently trying to start a bandwagon by voting for me? Isn't that a conflict right there?

valid point by neon

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson

Not that you asked me Barkeep, but just passing time-

When someone changes a vote from wolf to villager, or vice versa, (after those identities are revealed later) could be relevant, but on day one, nobody knows who's who except a wolf. After that, thanks to tools/roles, etc, there will be some villagers who KNOW who else is innocent, and thus may change votes to protect someone.

So in a perfect world, if villagers have nothing to gain by switching votes on day 1, since they know nothing, than those that do change votes, are suspicious.

Since it's not a perfect world, and people don't necessarily agree with that, they may change votes for any number of other reasons, so I don't know how much it tells us.

Exactly.

molson · 09-05-2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

But what does having single votes on 9 different people tell us?

Nothing, that's why I gave someone their second vote.

That's why the theory's somewhat flawed. In a perfect world, villagers don't create that spread, so other villagers don't have to change they're votes to avoid it.

So, I guess votes creating a spread could be just as suspicious as those "piling on".

Everyone's suspicious. I usually get to that point day 3, and now I'm here already. Jerks.

MrBug708 · 09-05-2007, 07:54 PM

Vote - Barkeep

Just a feeling here. I agree that NC is trying to start a bandwagon, but I don't think he's doing it because he is a wolf. Then again what do I know, I haven't played for over a year

MrBug708 · 09-05-2007, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I'm unsure of what "best villager around" means? Does that mean they are good at convincing people of other things? Keeping track of certain facts? I've been out of the loop for a while so I was curious as to what that phrase means. I've seen it in a number of posts already

Anyone?

RendeR · 09-05-2007, 07:57 PM

Come on people, condense those votes down on the 4 popular people! Y'all know you want to lynch cronin on day 1! he's so lovable afterwards!

RendeR · 09-05-2007, 07:58 PM

MUHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahah...TEEEHEE!

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Anyone?

Chief Rum and a couple of others have reputations as being clever villagers, being able to identify who is a wolf and who is not.

MrBug708 · 09-05-2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Chief Rum and a couple of others have reputations as being clever villagers, being able to identify who is a wolf and who is not.

I'm assuming in the later rounds then? At this point unless they are a real life seer it's all luck or other people's stupidity?

But fair enough, some people are gifted at reading other people. It just seems like a moot point if they are on the wrong side

Neon_Chaos · 09-05-2007, 08:02 PM

Anyone have an updated vote count? We need to trim this big spread of suspects down.

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I'm assuming in the later rounds then? At this point unless they are a real life seer it's all luck or other people's stupidity?

But fair enough, some people are gifted at reading other people. It just seems like a moot point if they are on the wrong side

Yeah, in the later stages. Keep in mind its just a reputation - I think some players are very overrated as vinegars...

DaddyTorgo · 09-05-2007, 08:06 PM

RendeR seems to be coming out pretty hard and fast, don't think he's a wolf, unless Cronin is too and the two of them are trying to play something.

Barkeep49 · 09-05-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yeah, in the later stages. Keep in mind its just a reputation - I think some players are very overrated as vinegars...

I think being a villager is very hard (not that being a wolf is easy) and even an excellent villager will be wrong more often than right.

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 08:08 PM

This is what I have:

2 - St.Cronin - RenderR (95), Molson (148)
2 - RPI-Fan - Hoopsguy (82), Telle (107),
2 - Neon_Chaos - AlanT (131), Barkeep (162)
2 - AlanT - MrDNA (143), Neon_Chaos (149)
1 - RenderR - St.Cronin (87)
1 - ChiefRum - Passacaglia (115)
1 - Crim - Path12 (129)
1 - EagleFan - RaidersArmy (140)
1 - MrDNA - ArlingtonColt
1 - hoopsguy - EagleFan (167)
1 - Barkeep49 - MrBug (179)

RendeR · 09-05-2007, 08:08 PM

If i ever were to be a wolf teamed with cronin I'd vote for him anyway

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think being a villager is very hard (not that being a wolf is easy) and even an excellent villager will be wrong more often than right.

Exactly.

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

If i ever were to be a wolf teamed with cronin I'd vote for him anyway

Do you have me confused with Hell Atlantic?

Neon_Chaos · 09-05-2007, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Anyone?

I would suppose someone who's willing to wade back hundreds of posts and find out subtle comments from lynched wolves just to save some guy's ass.

(just to say, I'm talking about saving your ass back in that other WW game Render!

)

Anyway, MrBug, I think that you might be on to something with Barkeep. I just don't get his conflicting reasoning.

I don't care if you guys think it's "wolfish" for me to switch my votes. I go with whatever information I have at hand, and currently, it's Barkeep's illogical reasoning.

I'd much rather change my vote as much as I can to reflect my gut whatever feeling I have than others who would prefer to stay on one vote stubbornly just to avoid getting on the radar and being cast into suspicion.

Unvote Alan T
Vote Barkeep

PurdueBrad · 09-05-2007, 08:10 PM

Okay, bad, bad night of softball so I need a victory somewhere. Maybe we can lynch a wolf, that would be a nice way to end my day on a high note!

vote RPI-Fan for no other reason than Hoops played a good game the last time I played so I'll follow him for the first random lynching.

RendeR · 09-05-2007, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Do you have me confused with Hell Atlantic?

Hrm.... are you obnoxious, self important, assinine and generally annoying?

No...didn't think so.

I'm jsut carrying on our seemingly illogical finger pointing at one another that tends to happen in every game. Someome has gotta get strung up, or in this game, "Driver-ed where it hurts", why not you?

MrBug708 · 09-05-2007, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I would suppose someone who's willing to wade back hundreds of posts and find out subtle comments from lynched wolves just to save some guy's ass.

(just to say, I'm talking about saving your ass back in that other WW game Render!

)

Anyway, MrBug, I think that you might be on to something with Barkeep. I just don't get his conflicting reasoning.

I don't care if you guys think it's "wolfish" for me to switch my votes. I go with whatever information I have at hand, and currently, it's Barkeep's illogical reasoning.

I'd much rather change my vote as much as I can to reflect my gut whatever feeling I have than others who would prefer to stay on one vote stubbornly just to avoid getting on the radar and being cast into suspicion.

Unvote Alan T
Vote Barkeep

Now people are going to associate me with you and thus a possible wolf! Blah!

MrBug708 · 09-05-2007, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Hrm.... are you obnoxious, self important, assinine and generally annoying?

Don't forget the sandwich!

RendeR · 09-05-2007, 08:17 PM

ACk!...sorry lathum, I edited that to add everything after annoying....my bad totally.
Gah. I suck.

oliegirl · 09-05-2007, 08:18 PM

Man...I still don't have a read on anyone, and I really hate to be the deciding vote when I'm not sure of someone's wolf/villegar status...but I have to vote so...

Vote Neon_Chaos

I read through the stuff I missed between 6:30 and now, and definitely agree that it appears that he's trying to start a bandwagon. I had suspicions on him in the last game I played though, and they turned out to be wrong...but with nothing else to go on, I have to go on this.

st.cronin · 09-05-2007, 08:19 PM

Does this look right:

3 - RPI-Fan - Hoopsguy (82), Telle (107), PurdueBrad (194)
3 - Neon_Chaos - AlanT (131), Barkeep (162), oliegirl (199)
2 - St.Cronin - RenderR (95), Molson (148)
2 - Barkeep49 - MrBug (179), Neon Chaos (193)
1 - AlanT - MrDNA (143)
1 - RenderR - St.Cronin (87)
1 - ChiefRum - Passacaglia (115)
1 - Crim - Path12 (129)
1 - EagleFan - RaidersArmy (140)
1 - MrDNA - ArlingtonColt
1 - hoopsguy - EagleFan (167)

09-05-2007, 07:21 PM	#151
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Because I sure as heck KNOW I'm not a wolf, I have to do whatever possible to get any one of the remaining 20 people who may be one. Therefore, until some of the votes come off me: VOTE NEON_CHAOS __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

09-05-2007, 07:23 PM	#154
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Just saw Neon's changed vote... UNVOTE NEON_CHAOS __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

09-05-2007, 07:33 PM	#160
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	updated vote count Passacaglia- 1 Barkeep (125) St.Cronin- 2 RenderR (95), Molson (148) RPI-Fan- 2 Hoopsguy (82), Telle (107), RenderR- 1 St.Cronin (87) ChiefRum- 1 Passacaglia (115) Crim- 1 Path12 (129) Neon_Chaos- 2 AlanT (131), EagleFan (132) EagleFan-1 RaidersArmy (140) MrDNA- 1 ArlingtonColt AlanT 2 MrDNA (143), Neon_Chaos (149) Last edited by Lathum : 09-05-2007 at 07:34 PM.

09-05-2007, 07:34 PM	#163
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	If I need to move my vote, it will be to Neon. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-05-2007, 07:57 PM	#181
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Come on people, condense those votes down on the 4 popular people! Y'all know you want to lynch cronin on day 1! he's so lovable afterwards! __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-05-2007, 07:27 PM	#156
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Do we know what happens in the case of a tie?

09-05-2007, 07:30 PM	#157
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I really have no idea who to vote for

09-05-2007, 07:33 PM	#162
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Since no one seems to like my Pass voting, I would agree that Neon's votes have repeatedly seemed designed to inspire a bandwagon. Unvote Pass Vote Neon Chaos

09-05-2007, 07:40 PM	#166
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I'm unsure of what "best villager around" means? Does that mean they are good at convincing people of other things? Keeping track of certain facts? I've been out of the loop for a while so I was curious as to what that phrase means. I've seen it in a number of posts already

09-05-2007, 07:40 PM	#167
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	UNVOTE Neon_Chaos VOTE Hoopsguy

09-05-2007, 07:40 PM	#168
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Just a reminder we are using a 24 hour clock so if you have a night action or wish to activate an item you must submit it with a 10:31 PM EST deadline.

09-05-2007, 07:43 PM	#169
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Not that you asked me Barkeep, but just passing time- When someone changes a vote from wolf to villager, or vice versa, (after those identities are revealed later) could be relevant, but on day one, nobody knows who's who except a wolf. After that, thanks to tools/roles, etc, there will be some villagers who KNOW who else is innocent, and thus may change votes to protect someone. So in a perfect world, if villagers have nothing to gain by switching votes on day 1, since they know nothing, than those that do change votes, are suspicious. Since it's not a perfect world, and people don't necessarily agree with that, they may change votes for any number of other reasons, so I don't know how much it tells us.

09-05-2007, 07:54 PM	#179
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Vote - Barkeep Just a feeling here. I agree that NC is trying to start a bandwagon, but I don't think he's doing it because he is a wolf. Then again what do I know, I haven't played for over a year

09-05-2007, 07:58 PM	#182
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	MUHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahah...TEEEHEE! __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-05-2007, 08:02 PM	#185
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Anyone have an updated vote count? We need to trim this big spread of suspects down. __________________ Come and see.

09-05-2007, 08:06 PM	#187
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	RendeR seems to be coming out pretty hard and fast, don't think he's a wolf, unless Cronin is too and the two of them are trying to play something.

09-05-2007, 08:08 PM	#189
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	This is what I have: 2 - St.Cronin - RenderR (95), Molson (148) 2 - RPI-Fan - Hoopsguy (82), Telle (107), 2 - Neon_Chaos - AlanT (131), Barkeep (162) 2 - AlanT - MrDNA (143), Neon_Chaos (149) 1 - RenderR - St.Cronin (87) 1 - ChiefRum - Passacaglia (115) 1 - Crim - Path12 (129) 1 - EagleFan - RaidersArmy (140) 1 - MrDNA - ArlingtonColt 1 - hoopsguy - EagleFan (167) 1 - Barkeep49 - MrBug (179) __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-05-2007, 08:08 PM	#190
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	If i ever were to be a wolf teamed with cronin I'd vote for him anyway __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-05-2007, 08:10 PM	#194
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Okay, bad, bad night of softball so I need a victory somewhere. Maybe we can lynch a wolf, that would be a nice way to end my day on a high note! vote RPI-Fan for no other reason than Hoops played a good game the last time I played so I'll follow him for the first random lynching.

09-05-2007, 08:17 PM	#198
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	ACk!...sorry lathum, I edited that to add everything after annoying....my bad totally. Gah. I suck. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-05-2007, 08:19 PM	#200
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Does this look right: 3 - RPI-Fan - Hoopsguy (82), Telle (107), PurdueBrad (194) 3 - Neon_Chaos - AlanT (131), Barkeep (162), oliegirl (199) 2 - St.Cronin - RenderR (95), Molson (148) 2 - Barkeep49 - MrBug (179), Neon Chaos (193) 1 - AlanT - MrDNA (143) 1 - RenderR - St.Cronin (87) 1 - ChiefRum - Passacaglia (115) 1 - Crim - Path12 (129) 1 - EagleFan - RaidersArmy (140) 1 - MrDNA - ArlingtonColt 1 - hoopsguy - EagleFan (167) __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

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