Werewolf LVI: Beneath the Iron Cross - GAME OVER, VILLAGERS WIN! - Page 6

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:18 PM

Antmeister, I would be interested in knowing the logic behind your vote. K thx.

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:19 PM

Antmeister and Saldana, you both seem to be around. Can you explain your votes on me so that I have a chance to respond to your feelings/reasons?

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:27 PM

Looking back at the tie-breaker logic, it seems that Purdue would be the person to lose due to Pass voting for him prior to RendeR voting for Cronin.

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:28 PM

Man, gypped by the rules, I didn't see that! I was at least hoping a tie would be no lynch.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Antmeister and Saldana, you both seem to be around. Can you explain your votes on me so that I have a chance to respond to your feelings/reasons?

my vote for you was based on two things, at the time, i wasnt sure of the exact count, but thought it was close to being a tie between you and barkeep...number 1, i abhor ties, so i was voting to widen the gap a little. number 2, we have never played together before, whereas, BK and I have played alot, so i have an idea of what BK's value is if we are on the same team, and that is a chance i will take on day one.

neither of those things mean i cannot be convinced to reconsider, which i am currently doing.

Antmeister · 10-01-2007, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Antmeister, I would be interested in knowing the logic behind your vote. K thx.

And what would your reason be for forcing a tie. On day 1, no one knows jack*bleep*, so by not trying to narrow down your suspects seems silly to me.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Looking back at the tie-breaker logic, it seems that Purdue would be the person to lose due to Pass voting for him prior to RendeR voting for Cronin.

are we at a tie right now? PB and StC?

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:34 PM

Not a tie - I narrowed the gap after doing some post review because I'm thinking we are headed towards a bad lynch.

I moved my vote to a guy who is at best borderline participating right now in Arlington Colt. He also missed multiple votes in the last game I played with him, which didn't help the villager cause.

Vote count, as of Post #257:

PurdueBrad (5 votes)- Pass (149), Barkeep (209), Saldana (228), Cronin (235), Antmeister (244)
Cronin (4 votes)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), PurdueBrad (222), DaddyTorgo (230)
Arlington Colt (2 votes)- Path (212), Hoops (250)
Barkeep (1 vote)- Oliegirl (203)
Render (2 votes)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173)
Realdeal (1 vote)- NTNDeacon (180)

Not voted: Arlington Colt, Chief Rum

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:34 PM

Saldana, thanks for laying that out. This goes back to the exact thing I said earlier. It is tough to choose the inexperience over the experience if all things were equal (in fact, I don't think you would ever want to do it) but in this rare case, it is the wrong move.

I won't say anything more than I do appreciate that you are looking and are willing to possibly reconsider.

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

are we at a tie right now? PB and StC?

No. I believe it's 5-4 PB.

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Saldana, thanks for laying that out. This goes back to the exact thing I said earlier. It is tough to choose the inexperience over the experience if all things were equal (in fact, I don't think you would ever want to do it) but in this rare case, it is the wrong move.

I won't say anything more than I do appreciate that you are looking and are willing to possibly reconsider.

Well I'm willing to go Arlington Colt, because he meets my math criteria without being PB who I see as adding value. Let's see where this goes.

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 08:36 PM

Unvote Purdue Brad
Vote ArlingtonColt

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antmeister

And what would your reason be for forcing a tie. On day 1, no one knows jack*bleep*, so by not trying to narrow down your suspects seems silly to me.

Additionally, a tie still results in a lynch here per the rules.

So just to make sure I follow the argument, voting for the vote leader is narrowing down the suspects? If I'm not getting the argument, please correct me on it.

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 08:37 PM

For posterity's sake I want to emphasize now that while I created a tie, it's not a no lynch and there are 6 players in the thread, 4 of whom could change votes and subsantially effect the outcome of this lynch away from PB or cronin (as hoops and I are together on Arlington).

Neon_Chaos · 10-01-2007, 08:38 PM

Just want to say that I will be tallying votes as 9:00 hits, and I might not be able to post at exactly 9:00 with a "Deadline" post. I have my board time set to CST. Any vote made with 9:00 PM showing as the posted time will count as a valid vote. Any vote made after 9:00 (i.e. 9:01) will not. Just to avoid some issues concerning the validity of a vote.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:40 PM

unvote purduebrad

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:41 PM

Unvote St. Cronin
Vote Arlington Colt

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:41 PM

Again, a self-defense move.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:42 PM

not sure what i am going to do, but if he is going to be as involved as he has been today for the rest of the game, he is worth keeping around...its not like there was any evidence against him...its day one.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:42 PM

my last post was in ref to PB

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 08:42 PM

Ok so I have it 4 cronin, 3 PB, 3 Arlington.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:43 PM

vote arlington colt

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:43 PM

oops...lemme fix that then

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

not sure what i am going to do, but if he is going to be as involved as he has been today for the rest of the game, he is worth keeping around...its not like there was any evidence against him...its day one.

I would go further and suggest that the ease of which a majority was built is slightly in his favor. Wolves, after all, will tend not to vote their own on Day 1. Of course I am, as always, suspicious of hoops as he would be 100% smart enough to orchestrate this defense. But please realize this is just my general hoops paranoia speaking and not any real sense that he's bad (I would believe right now he's good all things considered).

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antmeister

And what would your reason be for forcing a tie. On day 1, no one knows jack*bleep*, so by not trying to narrow down your suspects seems silly to me.

Antmeister, I guess as the guy on the chopping block here, I would've liked to hear a bit more reasoning, particularly since we have not played together before. Of all the votes on me, your's might bother me the most because of the landslide feel at the time and the lack of reasoning.

I've been pretty willing to respond to most questions and claims and would extend to you that same courtesy.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:44 PM

Same here, BK - as of Post #271:

Arlington Colt (4 votes)- Path (212), Hoops (250), Barkeep (262), Purdue (267)
PurdueBrad (3 votes)- Pass (149), Saldana (228), Antmeister (244)
Cronin (3 votes)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), DaddyTorgo (230)
Render (2 votes)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173)
Barkeep (1 vote)- Oliegirl (203)
Realdeal (1 vote)- NTNDeacon (180)

Not voted: Arlington Colt, Chief Rum, Saldana

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:44 PM

unvote arlington colt
vote st cronin

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

not sure what i am going to do, but if he is going to be as involved as he has been today for the rest of the game, he is worth keeping around...its not like there was any evidence against him...its day one.

You guys keep me here through day one and I will be as involved throughout the rest of the game. I've been hopeful to start inserting myself as a more visible, participatory player and this is the game I'm hoping to do that. Of course day one is rough right now!

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:46 PM

gah.....damnit barkeep and hoops keep crossing me up...not counting my cronin vote in 277, whose is correct

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:46 PM

Arlington has now raced to a 5-3-3 lead. Ugh, I hate momentum in this game.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:48 PM

Correction, didn't catch the moved vote by Saldana. Votes as of Post #280:

Cronin (4 votes)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), DaddyTorgo (230), Saldana (277)
Arlington Colt (4 votes)- Path (212), Hoops (250), Barkeep (262), Purdue (267)
PurdueBrad (3 votes)- Pass (149), Saldana (228), Antmeister (244)
Render (2 votes)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173)
Barkeep (1 vote)- Oliegirl (203)
Realdeal (1 vote)- NTNDeacon (180)

Not voted: Arlington Colt, Chief Rum

Note: Cronin is in line to lose the tie.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Arlington has now raced to a 5-3-3 lead. Ugh, I hate momentum in this game.

check again, i think i ended up tying it at 4 with cronin....i think i am gonna let the tiebreaker take care of it...this stand alone vote thing is driving me nuts

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:49 PM

I wish Eaglesfan was around as he has had good reads in both games I've played with him and he is still on Cronin but w/o explanation. I would like to hear his side.

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 08:49 PM

Hoops is correct, I missed path's earlier vote on Arlington.

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:50 PM

NM, just saw where he said he was likely out due to RL.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:51 PM

arlington colt is in the thread

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:51 PM

Another correction - still had Saldana on Purdue, but he is not there anymore. It should be Cronin (235) instead ... I erased the wrong name on the vote change. Counts are still the same (unless people have moved while I was typing this).

ArlingtonColt · 10-01-2007, 08:53 PM

Self preservation i guess?? I was in this thread all day at work.. not sure why im getting heat now...

ArlingtonColt · 10-01-2007, 08:54 PM

dola- how do i make blue text?

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 08:55 PM

Arlington, for me it is self-preservation. It's a coin toss between you and St. Cronin for me. For blue text, use the weird looking A in the response menu.

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 08:55 PM

Use [color=blue]text[/color]

~BK, YFWWM

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlingtonColt

dola- how do i make blue text?

type whats inside the quotes "your vote here"

ArlingtonColt · 10-01-2007, 08:56 PM

Vote St. Cronin

purely off self preservation

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:57 PM

gah....that didnt work

[color=blue]your vote here[/color

and put a close bracket at the end

saldana · 10-01-2007, 08:57 PM

Arlington...your vote has to be alone in the post, there cant be anything else with it

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 08:57 PM

"Go Advanced" and choose the color from that menu.

Arlington, you got my vote because:
a.) you had not voted
b.) based on our small sample set of playing together, I wasn't sure if you were going to today
c.) it gets harder for the village when people aren't active

I have no idea if you are a villager or a wolf, but I preferred putting a vote on you to the two leaders (Purdue and Cronin) because of the above reasons.

ArlingtonColt · 10-01-2007, 08:58 PM

VOTE St. CRONIN

ArlingtonColt · 10-01-2007, 09:01 PM

-dola.... I did shank purduebrad last game to help the guests win... I usually make really good votes, I'm just not very good at dissecting everyones posts.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 09:02 PM

I didn't read that game (need to catch up at some point) but I love the shank defense

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 09:02 PM

My vote was similar to hoops:

1. I was voting for someone not on the hoops list, given better odds
2. PB was actively contributing
3. You had not voted and there was a sense that people might switch to you. PB seems/seemed worth saving.

10-01-2007, 08:38 PM	#265
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Just want to say that I will be tallying votes as 9:00 hits, and I might not be able to post at exactly 9:00 with a "Deadline" post. I have my board time set to CST. Any vote made with 9:00 PM showing as the posted time will count as a valid vote. Any vote made after 9:00 (i.e. 9:01) will not. Just to avoid some issues concerning the validity of a vote. __________________ Come and see.

10-01-2007, 08:55 PM	#291
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Use [color=blue]text[/color] ~BK, YFWWM Last edited by Barkeep49 : 10-01-2007 at 08:57 PM.

10-01-2007, 08:18 PM	#251
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Antmeister, I would be interested in knowing the logic behind your vote. K thx.

10-01-2007, 08:19 PM	#252
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Antmeister and Saldana, you both seem to be around. Can you explain your votes on me so that I have a chance to respond to your feelings/reasons?

10-01-2007, 08:27 PM	#253
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Looking back at the tie-breaker logic, it seems that Purdue would be the person to lose due to Pass voting for him prior to RendeR voting for Cronin.

10-01-2007, 08:28 PM	#254
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Man, gypped by the rules, I didn't see that! I was at least hoping a tie would be no lynch.

10-01-2007, 08:34 PM	#258
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Not a tie - I narrowed the gap after doing some post review because I'm thinking we are headed towards a bad lynch. I moved my vote to a guy who is at best borderline participating right now in Arlington Colt. He also missed multiple votes in the last game I played with him, which didn't help the villager cause. Vote count, as of Post #257: PurdueBrad (5 votes)- Pass (149), Barkeep (209), Saldana (228), Cronin (235), Antmeister (244) Cronin (4 votes)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), PurdueBrad (222), DaddyTorgo (230) Arlington Colt (2 votes)- Path (212), Hoops (250) Barkeep (1 vote)- Oliegirl (203) Render (2 votes)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173) Realdeal (1 vote)- NTNDeacon (180) Not voted: Arlington Colt, Chief Rum

10-01-2007, 08:34 PM	#259
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Saldana, thanks for laying that out. This goes back to the exact thing I said earlier. It is tough to choose the inexperience over the experience if all things were equal (in fact, I don't think you would ever want to do it) but in this rare case, it is the wrong move. I won't say anything more than I do appreciate that you are looking and are willing to possibly reconsider.

10-01-2007, 08:36 PM	#262
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Unvote Purdue Brad Vote ArlingtonColt

10-01-2007, 08:37 PM	#264
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	For posterity's sake I want to emphasize now that while I created a tie, it's not a no lynch and there are 6 players in the thread, 4 of whom could change votes and subsantially effect the outcome of this lynch away from PB or cronin (as hoops and I are together on Arlington).

10-01-2007, 08:40 PM	#266
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	unvote purduebrad

10-01-2007, 08:41 PM	#267
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Unvote St. Cronin Vote Arlington Colt

10-01-2007, 08:41 PM	#268
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Again, a self-defense move.

10-01-2007, 08:42 PM	#269
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	not sure what i am going to do, but if he is going to be as involved as he has been today for the rest of the game, he is worth keeping around...its not like there was any evidence against him...its day one.

10-01-2007, 08:42 PM	#270
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	my last post was in ref to PB

10-01-2007, 08:42 PM	#271
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok so I have it 4 cronin, 3 PB, 3 Arlington.

10-01-2007, 08:43 PM	#272
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	vote arlington colt

10-01-2007, 08:43 PM	#273
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	oops...lemme fix that then

10-01-2007, 08:44 PM	#276
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Same here, BK - as of Post #271: Arlington Colt (4 votes)- Path (212), Hoops (250), Barkeep (262), Purdue (267) PurdueBrad (3 votes)- Pass (149), Saldana (228), Antmeister (244) Cronin (3 votes)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), DaddyTorgo (230) Render (2 votes)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173) Barkeep (1 vote)- Oliegirl (203) Realdeal (1 vote)- NTNDeacon (180) Not voted: Arlington Colt, Chief Rum, Saldana

10-01-2007, 08:44 PM	#277
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	unvote arlington colt vote st cronin

10-01-2007, 08:46 PM	#279
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	gah.....damnit barkeep and hoops keep crossing me up...not counting my cronin vote in 277, whose is correct

10-01-2007, 08:46 PM	#280
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Arlington has now raced to a 5-3-3 lead. Ugh, I hate momentum in this game.

10-01-2007, 08:48 PM	#281
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Correction, didn't catch the moved vote by Saldana. Votes as of Post #280: Cronin (4 votes)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), DaddyTorgo (230), Saldana (277) Arlington Colt (4 votes)- Path (212), Hoops (250), Barkeep (262), Purdue (267) PurdueBrad (3 votes)- Pass (149), Saldana (228), Antmeister (244) Render (2 votes)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173) Barkeep (1 vote)- Oliegirl (203) Realdeal (1 vote)- NTNDeacon (180) Not voted: Arlington Colt, Chief Rum Note: Cronin is in line to lose the tie.

10-01-2007, 08:49 PM	#283
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I wish Eaglesfan was around as he has had good reads in both games I've played with him and he is still on Cronin but w/o explanation. I would like to hear his side.

10-01-2007, 08:49 PM	#284
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Hoops is correct, I missed path's earlier vote on Arlington.

10-01-2007, 08:50 PM	#285
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	NM, just saw where he said he was likely out due to RL.

10-01-2007, 08:51 PM	#286
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	arlington colt is in the thread

10-01-2007, 08:51 PM	#287
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Another correction - still had Saldana on Purdue, but he is not there anymore. It should be Cronin (235) instead ... I erased the wrong name on the vote change. Counts are still the same (unless people have moved while I was typing this).

10-01-2007, 08:53 PM	#288
ArlingtonColt H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: arlington, tx	Self preservation i guess?? I was in this thread all day at work.. not sure why im getting heat now...

10-01-2007, 08:54 PM	#289
ArlingtonColt H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: arlington, tx	dola- how do i make blue text?

10-01-2007, 08:55 PM	#290
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Arlington, for me it is self-preservation. It's a coin toss between you and St. Cronin for me. For blue text, use the weird looking A in the response menu.

10-01-2007, 08:56 PM	#293
ArlingtonColt H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: arlington, tx	Vote St. Cronin purely off self preservation