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[Radii]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

Wild guess since it's been a long time is that it was Hollinger's formula:
PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV.

That looks very familier yeah

[nol]

Originally Posted by Radii

That looks very familier yeah

Don't they have that in FBCB? Or is it just the pro game?

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by nol

Don't they have that in FBCB? Or is it just the pro game?

I don't think Hollinger's number is in either game.

[nol]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I don't think Hollinger's number is in either game.

Found it in the pro game.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by nol

Found it in the pro game.

Dragic in Philly... hahahaha

Back to the subject and I'll have to look later but does the game export player stats to a text file. I know it use to do team stats because I used my NBA formula to project point spreads using the four factors to put out college point spreads at one time.

I wouldn't be that hard to make one if I could copy and paste the info to google drive and then have it computer everything.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

Back to the subject and I'll have to look later but does the game export player stats to a text file. I know it use to do team stats because I used my NBA formula to project point spreads using the four factors to put out college point spreads at one time.

I wouldn't be that hard to make one if I could copy and paste the info to google drive and then have it computer everything.

FBCB has season/career/team stats reports that export to CSV (career meaning career stats for everyone currently plyaing, not historical or anything of course)

[OldGiants]

Perhaps I'm just slow to notice, but my players are growing in the off-season. Had a 7-0 grow to 7-1 and a 7-3 grow to 7-4. Is this a recent change or has it always been this way?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by OldGiants

Perhaps I'm just slow to notice, but my players are growing in the off-season. Had a 7-0 grow to 7-1 and a 7-3 grow to 7-4. Is this a recent change or has it always been this way?

Always as far as I know.

[OldGiants]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

Always as far as I know.

Thanks, I simply never noticed before.

[muns]

Originally Posted by OldGiants

Thanks, I simply never noticed before.

Ya its always been there OG. I know I don't really notice it until one of my 7"0 guys shoots up because 7'0 for whatever reason to me is a milestone height wise and that's what I pay attention to.

If Brian plans on working on a new version, I think finding a spot where all height and weight gains get marked somewhere would be a nice thing to see added somewhere.

[IlliniCub]

Could someone give me a quick rundown of how to determine which defensive sets will work best for my players? Also how to best judge which pace and motion setting?

[britrock88]

Defensive sets--better PSD/PRD ratings lend themselves to man/matchup sets. Choosing among zones, 2-3s make it difficult to shoot inside, 3-2s make it difficult to shoot outside, and the 1-3-1 and 2-1-2 make it difficult to move the ball around. You give up something in terms of defensive rebounding whenever you go zone, though, as bodies aren't marking bodies.

Pace, I look at as an extension of my team's talent level vis-a-vis their opponents' talent. Notch it up if you're better to try to capitalize on your advantages; vice versa if you're worse. If you have key players with high or low stamina, that can affect your decision-making, too.

Motion, I look at as a function of your team's ability to create its own shots and move the ball. It helps you make up for a lack of players with good INS ratings, or allows you to take advantage of a roster with good HND/PAS ratings.

[OldGiants]

Who is the '1' in a 2-1-2? I think it is the SF, however I've never been certain about that.

I tend to use the pace the game suggests until I get a fully recruited team. Ditto with the defensive sets.

I have been trying to emulate UVa's Pack Line Zone in the game with decent results. You do need better players for this scheme to work. It is man with 'Double Inside' set to 10 and Double Outside set to 3. Trap is 7 and Full Court Press is 3. This seems get the low shooting percentage by opponents with the occasional bad beat loss to hot 3-point shooting.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by OldGiants

Who is the '1' in a 2-1-2? I think it is the SF, however I've never been certain about that.

I tend to use the pace the game suggests until I get a fully recruited team. Ditto with the defensive sets.

I have been trying to emulate UVa's Pack Line Zone in the game with decent results. You do need better players for this scheme to work. It is man with 'Double Inside' set to 10 and Double Outside set to 3. Trap is 7 and Full Court Press is 3. This seems get the low shooting percentage by opponents with the occasional bad beat loss to hot 3-point shooting.

2-1-2 and 2-3 are close to the same thing so in the 2-1-2 I believe the center is the 1 (all his areas are in the box). Should have the two guards up top and the SF/PF each taking the back sides.

[OldGiants]

That's what I thought, the C steps up. However the game only suggests 2-1-2 when I have a beast defender at SF. So I wonder.

[Emmett13]

Would it ever be possible to edit schedules? Even if fixing the scheduling issue is difficult. I wouldn't mind taking a few minutes each season switching unrealistic road games to home games.

For instance, in my current season, here is an example of some road games that would very, very rarely happen:

Pittsburgh, who is ranked #2, and is a 100 prestige school, is playing at Coppin State who is a 10 prestige school.

Kansas (98) at McNeese State (15).

Maryland (74) has to go on the road to play at USC Upstate (23), at South Carolina State (12), at Coppin State (10), all in the same season.

I have a theory that one of the reasons some teams seemingly never get out of the cellar in major conferences is because not only do they get pummeled in conference every season, they make things even harder on themselves by playing low RPI teams on the road (and often losing), which results in horrible overall records which kill their prestige and ability to recruit and they get stuck in a cycle of being a 60 prestige team in the ACC.

Or maybe power conference RPI's should bottom out a little higher and none of that other stuff is necessary.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Emmett13

Would it ever be possible to edit schedules? Even if fixing the scheduling issue is difficult. I wouldn't mind taking a few minutes each season switching unrealistic road games to home games.

For instance, in my current season, here is an example of some road games that would very, very rarely happen:

Pittsburgh, who is ranked #2, and is a 100 prestige school, is playing at Coppin State who is a 10 prestige school.

Kansas (98) at McNeese State (15).

Maryland (74) has to go on the road to play at USC Upstate (23), at South Carolina State (12), at Coppin State (10), all in the same season.

I have a theory that one of the reasons some teams seemingly never get out of the cellar in major conferences is because not only do they get pummeled in conference every season, they make things even harder on themselves by playing low RPI teams on the road (and often losing), which results in horrible overall records which kill their prestige and ability to recruit and they get stuck in a cycle of being a 60 prestige team in the ACC.

Or maybe power conference RPI's should bottom out a little higher and none of that other stuff is necessary.

FWIW, I tend to just do my own schedule using the editor rather than letting the game help me select games. You could do the same for those programs if you wanted to.

[Emmett13]

Really? That's interesting, how would you go about doing that for non-user teams?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Emmett13

Really? That's interesting, how would you go about doing that for non-user teams?

Tools --> Schedule Game

during the scheduling part of the season and you can schedule games for anybody you want. If you get it during the preseason tournament time, you can schedule those too.

It's what you'd do for an online league, so this is just doing the same thing for yourself in a solo scenario where all of the teams are yours or whatever.

[muns]

Few files to go before we roll the season over in NCAA 53. We will finish the first season in a little over a month real time. Come grab a team.


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Just imagine if Wooden and the greatest dynasty college basketball has ever seen didn’t happen. What if there was no early entry to the draft and every player graduated from college? How about if Tobacco Road was never important in the basketball landscape? Other than the Ivy Group, what if there were no academic standards? What if Philly and the Big 5 turned into the basketball Mecca of the world?

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[OldGiants]

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[britrock88]

Just in time for the new season--a new file with a couple bits of realignment, some tweaks to conference schedules and tournaments, and updated prestige!

Enjoy!

2015-16.zip

[muns]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Just in time for the new season--a new file with a couple bits of realignment, some tweaks to conference schedules and tournaments, and updated prestige!

Enjoy!

Attachment 5812

Thanks Brit

[Young Drachma]

What controls the player names? I keep loading a new file and it doesn't appear the changes I've made to the NAFirst/Last names files seems to be taking. Does the first set of names come from sort of stock hard coded names thing? I'm going to figure it out as the game sims a few seasons anyway, but I just wanted to know because I rebuilt my NA first names file somewhat dramatically and just wanted to know if I'm wasting my time, lol.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

What controls the player names? I keep loading a new file and it doesn't appear the changes I've made to the NAFirst/Last names files seems to be taking. Does the first set of names come from sort of stock hard coded names thing? I'm going to figure it out as the game sims a few seasons anyway, but I just wanted to know because I rebuilt my NA first names file somewhat dramatically and just wanted to know if I'm wasting my time, lol.

You aren't wasting your time, I've added thousands of names to these files over the years and they work for me. A quick way to test would be to back those files up and replace it with a text file with just one first name and one last name - I haven't tried it, but I suspect you should get every American player with the same name.

[Young Drachma]

Got it now, there were two directories, b/c I had a women's league in a different directory once but I'd forgotten about it. Phew.

[Young Drachma]

Got back into the game this weekend and have been running a college league test for about 30+ seasons with a 32-team tournament, but with all of the real life conferences in-game. So basically no at-large bids at all. It's fascinating to see how the parity works in that system, the fluke teams that make the tournament and it also makes the NIT a lot more interesting (I have it set to 40 teams) and worth a lot more than an NCAA title in some years because of that.

I think I'm about to expand the tournament now to 64, but I almost don't want to because it's kind of fun seeing how interesting it can be for teams to end up in the Elite 8 without pedigree on the backs of a strong year + tournament.

It also explains how teams like Wyoming and Loyola Chicago won NCAA tournaments back in the day and how they'd never win one now.

[britrock88]

That setup, but with conference tournaments off, could be a doozy. 32 regular-season champs in the NCAA, 32/40 at-larges in the NIT. Man.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by britrock88

That setup, but with conference tournaments off, could be a doozy. 32 regular-season champs in the NCAA, 32/40 at-larges in the NIT. Man.

Doing this now. Haha..would've sooner was just too lazy to turn off conference tournaments. But starting with it now, since I didn't go to 64 yet.

[nol]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

It also explains how teams like Wyoming and Loyola Chicago won NCAA tournaments back in the day and how they'd never win one now.

I'd say recruiting and playing black players when other schools wouldn't is a stronger explanation for Loyola, but nonetheless the set-up looks fun.

[britrock88]

Just stumbled across a 5'7" PG from Indiana that... has Arlie's full name???

[Comey]

We had Arlon Rahn at Kansas in NCAA53...

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Comey

We had Arlon Rahn at Kansas in NCAA53...

How quickly I forget.

[Balldog]

Not sure if HR/Brian is still active or not but I have a question for him or anyone else that may have input. In reviewing the impact of the new rule changes made for Men's Basketball this year I've done some analysis on the averages of the RL season vs a simmed season in FBCB.

Really nothing is too far off, the only thing I really would like to adjust is the number of FGA/game is 5.8 too low with 3PA/game being 5.0 too low. So I want to modify the INI file to adjust to increase FGA by about 10% with almost all 10% applying to 3PA.

Any ideas?

I also want to give FG%, 3P%, and FT% a slight boost but I think I can figure those out.

Those adjustment alone will get things pretty dang close.

[britrock88]

I have played around with the INI file before. Basically a trial-and-error process of adjusting the file, then quick-simming a season to see where median team numbers shake out.

When I have some time, I can peek in to see what changes are doable. (My past experiments have dealt with pace and turnover rates, mainly.)

[Balldog]

Yeah, I will test away. I'm going to start with getting the shot attempts up and go from there.

[Arles]

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[Balldog]

Got some good results by tweaking the FBCB.ini file. Averages for all key stats are within 0.5/game

Of course the only exception is PPG. I'm settling at 70 instead of 73...only because too many teams are at the high end and too many teams at the low end. If I push to much further I will get a team or 2 averaging in the mid-90s.

Now finalizing my coaches mod...then rolling again

[Groundhog]

Would you mind posting your ini settings?

[Balldog]

Yeah I will tonight

[britrock88]

I'm hoping to try to match up to this year's new rate stats, as well.

[Groundhog]

It's something I've kept "meaning" to do, but never actually get around to.

[Balldog]

See attached. Note, I also reduced the Foreign figures more to my liking. I don't like having so many in the Top 100 so I reduced the quantity and the talent level.

Here are the results. Overall they are pretty good compared to average but the high end and low end are extreme. I'm not finding a good way to get these closer to real life at this point.

[Groundhog]

Awesome, thanks!

[Young Drachma]

Thanks for sharing this.

[QuikSand]

Let's just say that I'm a veteran FBCB player who plays from time to time, but never bothered to use any add-ins and so forth. And I like what I'm hearing about altering the presence of foreign players. How d I get this here .zip file into the game to work properly?

Asking for a friend.

[Groundhog]

I'm at work and can't check, but I believe all you need to do is copy this into your main FBCB folder, and overwrite the existing FBCB.ini file. I think that should work even for saved games, but I can't recall off the top of my head if you can add the FBCB.ini file to each save game folder, too.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Let's just say that I'm a veteran FBCB player who plays from time to time, but never bothered to use any add-ins and so forth. And I like what I'm hearing about altering the presence of foreign players. How d I get this here .zip file into the game to work properly?

Asking for a friend.

YD would know all about overwriting the name files.

[britrock88]

Though I should add that the INI file has a foreign recruit variable, IIRC.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

I'm at work and can't check, but I believe all you need to do is copy this into your main FBCB folder, and overwrite the existing FBCB.ini file. I think that should work even for saved games, but I can't recall off the top of my head if you can add the FBCB.ini file to each save game folder, too.

You're right. Just overwrite and go. The FBCB.ini file is in the Program Files/GDS/FBCB folder whatever yours is called. Not in the documents folder where the names files and such exist. That's the only wrinkle that you need to know.