EP3

TroyF · 05-09-2003, 07:54 AM

http://www.bygames.com/downloads.jsp

one of the mirrors. It's going fast for me now. Who knows how long that will last. . .

TroyF

Critch · 05-09-2003, 07:56 AM

Yik, 45mb. Thank goodness I'm no longer on dial-up, I'd be here for weeks.

Marc Vaughan · 05-09-2003, 08:15 AM

The 45Mb version includes the data update and the smaller one contains simply the patch itself (and no new data).

GrantDawg · 05-09-2003, 08:29 AM

Cool! My weekend is officially shot.

Marc Vaughan · 05-09-2003, 10:36 AM

LOL

I'm quite please with EP#3, its polished up a lot of the rough(er) edges in the game and ironed out a lot of the tuning issues ....

We'll still be collating feedback though and releasing EP#4 at some stage in the future though

bbor · 05-09-2003, 11:57 AM

What is the Data update?

Sorry...i'm a moron

GrantDawg · 05-09-2003, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bbor
What is the Data update?

Sorry...i'm a moron

Records the latest player moves and injuries and such.

Craptacular · 05-09-2003, 12:32 PM

What is EP3?

henry296 · 05-09-2003, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craptacular
What is EP3?

Enhancement Pack 3 for CM4. Better known as the newest patch.

Todd

Craptacular · 05-09-2003, 12:50 PM

I figured it was something CM-related since MV posted, but I always love when people use abbreviations with absolutely no context. Now I must go work on my CMS and HAR evaluations.

RoastDuck · 05-09-2003, 12:52 PM

OK. I'm at my second pre-season game after upgrading to EP3, 15 minutes left, winning 3-1, I make several substitutions and return to the game in progress only to find my 3-1 lead has become a 1-1 draw.

I know the SI guys have had a lot on their plate but this is one heck of a bug to remain after 3 enhancements. The game remains unplayable for me, I wish I held on to my receipt.

bbor · 05-09-2003, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RoastDuck
OK. I'm at my second pre-season game after upgrading to EP3, 15 minutes left, winning 3-1, I make several substitutions and return to the game in progress only to find my 3-1 lead has become a 1-1 draw.

I know the SI guys have had a lot on their plate but this is one heck of a bug to remain after 3 enhancements. The game remains unplayable for me, I wish I held on to my receipt.

This is with the new patch???

ouch....

Karim · 05-09-2003, 01:12 PM

Yes. It has been stated that the score-changing bug will be fixed in EP4.

I'm not a programmer but MV has mentioned it took a while to isolate the bug and then they needed to create some new stuff as well, so it wasn't possible to include in time for EP3.

I'm not being a SI apologist, just reporting what I read at their boards. I'm playing with Telford, so this bug doesn't really affect me.

RoastDuck · 05-09-2003, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Karim
Yes. It has been stated that the score-changing bug will be fixed in EP4.

I'm not a programmer but MV has mentioned it took a while to isolate the bug and then they needed to create some new stuff as well, so it wasn't possible to include in time for EP3.

I'm not being a SI apologist, just reporting what I read at their boards. I'm playing with Telford, so this bug doesn't really affect me.

Thanks Karim, I missed that info.

Sloan · 05-09-2003, 02:13 PM

This may help with the score changing bug. From the SI forum:

During the development of EP3, we worked very hard to track the Score Changing issues reported here. Whilst we didnt find the true cause, we did create a command line option that would we believe remove the chances of this happening. The reason we didnt make it default in the game is that it will add a little bit of slowdown to your matches and we didnt feel that this would be suitable for some of you

You can either run this from the command line

cm4.exe -safe_match

or change your shortcut target. For example the target when you right click on the shortcut would resemble

"E:\Program Files\Eidos Interactive\CM4\cm4.exe" -safe_match

Let us know how you get on with this!

rufusjonz · 05-09-2003, 03:39 PM

The UEFA Cup stopped in mine in 2007. It's 2017 and I just got Sheffield United in the UEFA, and there is no tourney!! BUMMER

Just noticed this, is this fixed in the new EP?

Moby

JonInMiddleGA · 05-09-2003, 04:07 PM

I've only been following this from a distance so far, so I know I'm probably asking something obvious here, but let me make sure I've got this straight -- You're playing a game, stop to make subs or whatever, and the score just ... changes? Umm ... exactly how often does this happen to people?

TroyF · 05-09-2003, 04:23 PM

Jon,

Some people have it more than others. I, for one, have never dealt with it. I sub every game and check stats at half time. I guess I'm just lucky.

Just in case, I always save before a big game or after a big transfer signing so I can go back. Knock on wood. . .

TroyF

Easy Mac · 05-09-2003, 04:23 PM

well, I've gone through a season with an A-league and MLS team, including playoffs, and I have yet to have it happen to my team. So after something like 60-70 games it hasn't happened to me. But it seems to be fairly common from what I hear.

Do I have to start a new game, or is it advised? It just takes like an hour on my machine to actually get 1 league setup and going... damn slow computer, arrive faster new one, arrive.

Critch · 05-09-2003, 04:45 PM

Before using the latest patch I'd had the score change bug happen 3 times in about 8 seasons of play. It's fairly rare, but that doesn't make it any less annoying when it happens, believe me.

klayman · 05-09-2003, 05:55 PM

I only had it happen once...down 3-1 against Newcastle, ended 2-2...so I wasn't really complaining

Marc Vaughan · 05-09-2003, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
I've only been following this from a distance so far, so I know I'm probably asking something obvious here, but let me make sure I've got this straight -- You're playing a game, stop to make subs or whatever, and the score just ... changes? Umm ... exactly how often does this happen to people?

On our test machines it happens approximately once every 100,000 matches or so ... and isn't repeatable in 'test' conditions for some reason.

As has been indicated we have put in a fix which unfortunately we felt was too slow for a cure-all, but will help anyone who finds the problem happens on their machines noticably.

I am still beavering away trying to find a fix which will keep things nippy (or simply to speed up our current fix) and am confident that one will be present in EP#4.

KWhit · 05-09-2003, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craptacular
I figured it was something CM-related since MV posted, but I always love when people use abbreviations with absolutely no context. Now I must go work on my CMS and HAR evaluations.

Going Limp...
HAAARRRRRRRR!!

rufusjonz · 05-09-2003, 09:54 PM

The "change score" bug seems to happen 1-2 times a season for me... and almost always goes against me in a big game it seems.

First impressions of the new patch: With a saved game, it froze up, also tons of injuries (there were too few injuries before tho).

What about my UEFA cup question?????? See earlier....

Moby

illinifan999 · 05-10-2003, 10:43 AM

Anyone go through the MLS draft?

Easy Mac · 05-10-2003, 11:58 AM

illinifan,
i am actully a few days before the combine right now, i went on holiday before i went to bed. i'll report in a few minutes about it

as a side note, no awards for the mls have been given out for the prior season. no coach of the year, player of the year... i'd be kind of pissed if they weren't given out. and the prior year doesn't show up on my teams history, even though they won the league, although the fans have already given out their player of the year.

also, not nearly enough players changing teams each year, every team is basically the same as last year, which never happens.

3ric · 05-10-2003, 12:18 PM

Count me in among the people that never have experienced the score changing bug, I've must have played about 10-11 seasons with two separate games (one EP1, one EP2).

Easy Mac · 05-10-2003, 01:05 PM

while the draft does work, i think there are definitely ways in which it can be improved.

1. the players in the draft all range from 16-19 in age. I'd say most players in the draft in real life range from 18-22, which 5 or 6 being 16-17.

2. the draft logic has a way to go. the first 2 picks in the draft were defense, and none had tackling above 1, nor did they have any defensive ratings higher than 8. I had the 3rd pick and got the guy who was by far the best pick in the draft, almost every single rating was above 10, and he was a defender. Overall I probably got 3 of the best 4 players in the draft.

I'm not really sure how teams drafted their players, as the choices just boggled my mind.

3. along the same lines, the combine stats are pretty much useless, and for marginal players (98% have no higher than 5 in any key stat for their position) there is no way of telling if anyone is going to be any good. There NEEDS to be a potential rating here, because there is no way to tell if a player may/may not be good. While it may be a crapshoot in real life, it is definitely a bigger one here.

Overall, a nice addition to the game, but it needs to be fine tuned some so that it is actually useful.

aquavit · 05-10-2003, 06:06 PM

After playing EP3 yesterday I have to say that I'm looking forward to EP4. CM4 is getting close.

ice4277 · 05-12-2003, 08:04 PM

Well, I've been playing a lot of CM with EP3 for the last couple days, and I'm afraid I've encountered a heavy run of injuries again. I didn't have any problems in the preseason, but now in my last three games I've lost 3 of my 4 first team strikers, each for a month

The shitty thing is, they each went out with injury during a match, but I never was given any indication they were injured while playing. Their stamina didn't drop below normal levels and the commentary never said anything about it. I'm having a good time playing the game, but it still seems that, while the actual number of injuries is about acceptable, the lengths of the injuries may still be a problem.

McSweeny · 05-12-2003, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ice4277
Well, I've been playing a lot of CM with EP3 for the last couple days, and I'm afraid I've encountered a heavy run of injuries again. I didn't have any problems in the preseason, but now in my last three games I've lost 3 of my 4 first team strikers, each for a month The shitty thing is, they each went out with injury during a match, but I never was given any indication they were injured while playing. Their stamina didn't drop below normal levels and the commentary never said anything about it. I'm having a good time playing the game, but it still seems that, while the actual number of injuries is about acceptable, the lengths of the injuries may still be a problem.

i've been playing a bit on EP3 now and i'm just about finished with my first 'real' season and i haven't seen too much of an injury problem. I'm getting lots of guys out for a few days or a week or 2 weeks. A few for a couple weeks to 2 months, but i expect that. Training could be the problem with the injuries, i've tweaked mine quite a bit and now i have my assistan handling it

illinifan999 · 05-12-2003, 09:15 PM

I only had one huge injury, and that was Razov tearing a cruciate ligament after a two footed challenge. He is now attending rehab and will be out for 8 months. The injuries aren't what have me worried.

Now I'm no expert, but this is a little weird.
I'm the Chicago Fire.
The Italian Serie A, and EPL have finished thier seasons.
Liverpool finished 4th, and promptly fired their coach. Roma finished third and almost immediatly fired thier coach. Inter who is second, has their coach listed at very insecure. Man these chairmen want results.

TroyF · 05-12-2003, 09:27 PM

Illini,

I can tell you, as someone who likes to manage Inter when I want to go for the silverware, the pressure is intense at a big club. The chairman and the supporters want results. Last year I was 6 points behind the leader (Juventus) with 8 games left and the supporters were pissed.

TroyF

ice4277 · 05-12-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinifan999
Roma finished third and almost immediatly fired thier coach. Inter who is second, has their coach listed at very insecure. Man these chairmen want results.

Check out the Serie A coaching carousel in real life; its basically the same as this. Inter's coach IRL, Cuper, will likely be gone this off season because he couldn't win the title, despite a Champion's League place.

GoldenEagle · 05-12-2003, 10:04 PM

Does EP 3 include all the updates from EP 1 and EP 2 as well?

SegRat · 05-12-2003, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
Does EP 3 include all the updates from EP 1 and EP 2 as well?

YES!!

illinifan999 · 05-12-2003, 10:25 PM

Jeez, had no idea about the Italian series being so rough.

One thing though that I kind of enjoy.
Whenever I look at Montreal/Toronto/Calgary of "The American Second Division" it always says for the nation-United States.

McSweeny · 05-12-2003, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinifan999
Jeez, had no idea about the Italian series being so rough.

One thing though that I kind of enjoy.
Whenever I look at Montreal/Toronto/Calgary of "The American Second Division" it always says for the nation-United States.

haha

that one took me a minute

05-09-2003, 11:57 AM	#6
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	What is the Data update? Sorry...i'm a moron __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-09-2003, 03:39 PM	#16
rufusjonz Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lexington, KY	uefa cup ends in 2007??? The UEFA Cup stopped in mine in 2007. It's 2017 and I just got Sheffield United in the UEFA, and there is no tourney!! BUMMER Just noticed this, is this fixed in the new EP? Moby

05-09-2003, 04:07 PM	#17
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I've only been following this from a distance so far, so I know I'm probably asking something obvious here, but let me make sure I've got this straight -- You're playing a game, stop to make subs or whatever, and the score just ... changes? Umm ... exactly how often does this happen to people? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

05-09-2003, 09:54 PM	#24
rufusjonz Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lexington, KY	CM4 patch The "change score" bug seems to happen 1-2 times a season for me... and almost always goes against me in a big game it seems. First impressions of the new patch: With a saved game, it froze up, also tons of injuries (there were too few injuries before tho). What about my UEFA cup question?????? See earlier.... Moby

05-10-2003, 10:43 AM	#25
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Anyone go through the MLS draft? __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

05-09-2003, 07:56 AM	#2
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	Yik, 45mb. Thank goodness I'm no longer on dial-up, I'd be here for weeks.

05-09-2003, 08:15 AM	#3
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	The 45Mb version includes the data update and the smaller one contains simply the patch itself (and no new data).

05-09-2003, 08:29 AM	#4
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Cool! My weekend is officially shot.

05-09-2003, 10:36 AM	#5
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	LOL I'm quite please with EP#3, its polished up a lot of the rough(er) edges in the game and ironed out a lot of the tuning issues .... We'll still be collating feedback though and releasing EP#4 at some stage in the future though

05-09-2003, 12:32 PM	#8
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	What is EP3?

05-09-2003, 12:50 PM	#10
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	I figured it was something CM-related since MV posted, but I always love when people use abbreviations with absolutely no context. Now I must go work on my CMS and HAR evaluations.

05-09-2003, 12:52 PM	#11
RoastDuck Mascot Join Date: Oct 2000	OK. I'm at my second pre-season game after upgrading to EP3, 15 minutes left, winning 3-1, I make several substitutions and return to the game in progress only to find my 3-1 lead has become a 1-1 draw. I know the SI guys have had a lot on their plate but this is one heck of a bug to remain after 3 enhancements. The game remains unplayable for me, I wish I held on to my receipt.

05-09-2003, 01:12 PM	#13
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	Yes. It has been stated that the score-changing bug will be fixed in EP4. I'm not a programmer but MV has mentioned it took a while to isolate the bug and then they needed to create some new stuff as well, so it wasn't possible to include in time for EP3. I'm not being a SI apologist, just reporting what I read at their boards. I'm playing with Telford, so this bug doesn't really affect me.

05-09-2003, 02:13 PM	#15
Sloan High School JV Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Michigan	This may help with the score changing bug. From the SI forum: During the development of EP3, we worked very hard to track the Score Changing issues reported here. Whilst we didnt find the true cause, we did create a command line option that would we believe remove the chances of this happening. The reason we didnt make it default in the game is that it will add a little bit of slowdown to your matches and we didnt feel that this would be suitable for some of you You can either run this from the command line cm4.exe -safe_match or change your shortcut target. For example the target when you right click on the shortcut would resemble "E:\Program Files\Eidos Interactive\CM4\cm4.exe" -safe_match Let us know how you get on with this!

05-09-2003, 04:23 PM	#18
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Jon, Some people have it more than others. I, for one, have never dealt with it. I sub every game and check stats at half time. I guess I'm just lucky. Just in case, I always save before a big game or after a big transfer signing so I can go back. Knock on wood. . . TroyF

05-09-2003, 04:23 PM	#19
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	well, I've gone through a season with an A-league and MLS team, including playoffs, and I have yet to have it happen to my team. So after something like 60-70 games it hasn't happened to me. But it seems to be fairly common from what I hear. Do I have to start a new game, or is it advised? It just takes like an hour on my machine to actually get 1 league setup and going... damn slow computer, arrive faster new one, arrive.

05-09-2003, 04:45 PM	#20
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	Before using the latest patch I'd had the score change bug happen 3 times in about 8 seasons of play. It's fairly rare, but that doesn't make it any less annoying when it happens, believe me.

05-09-2003, 05:55 PM	#21
klayman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton	I only had it happen once...down 3-1 against Newcastle, ended 2-2...so I wasn't really complaining

05-10-2003, 11:58 AM	#26
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	illinifan, i am actully a few days before the combine right now, i went on holiday before i went to bed. i'll report in a few minutes about it as a side note, no awards for the mls have been given out for the prior season. no coach of the year, player of the year... i'd be kind of pissed if they weren't given out. and the prior year doesn't show up on my teams history, even though they won the league, although the fans have already given out their player of the year. also, not nearly enough players changing teams each year, every team is basically the same as last year, which never happens.

05-10-2003, 12:18 PM	#27
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Count me in among the people that never have experienced the score changing bug, I've must have played about 10-11 seasons with two separate games (one EP1, one EP2). __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

05-10-2003, 01:05 PM	#28
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	while the draft does work, i think there are definitely ways in which it can be improved. 1. the players in the draft all range from 16-19 in age. I'd say most players in the draft in real life range from 18-22, which 5 or 6 being 16-17. 2. the draft logic has a way to go. the first 2 picks in the draft were defense, and none had tackling above 1, nor did they have any defensive ratings higher than 8. I had the 3rd pick and got the guy who was by far the best pick in the draft, almost every single rating was above 10, and he was a defender. Overall I probably got 3 of the best 4 players in the draft. I'm not really sure how teams drafted their players, as the choices just boggled my mind. 3. along the same lines, the combine stats are pretty much useless, and for marginal players (98% have no higher than 5 in any key stat for their position) there is no way of telling if anyone is going to be any good. There NEEDS to be a potential rating here, because there is no way to tell if a player may/may not be good. While it may be a crapshoot in real life, it is definitely a bigger one here. Overall, a nice addition to the game, but it needs to be fine tuned some so that it is actually useful.

05-10-2003, 06:06 PM	#29
aquavit n00b Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: morgantown, wv	After playing EP3 yesterday I have to say that I'm looking forward to EP4. CM4 is getting close.

05-12-2003, 08:04 PM	#30
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	Well, I've been playing a lot of CM with EP3 for the last couple days, and I'm afraid I've encountered a heavy run of injuries again. I didn't have any problems in the preseason, but now in my last three games I've lost 3 of my 4 first team strikers, each for a month The shitty thing is, they each went out with injury during a match, but I never was given any indication they were injured while playing. Their stamina didn't drop below normal levels and the commentary never said anything about it. I'm having a good time playing the game, but it still seems that, while the actual number of injuries is about acceptable, the lengths of the injuries may still be a problem.

05-12-2003, 09:15 PM	#32
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	I only had one huge injury, and that was Razov tearing a cruciate ligament after a two footed challenge. He is now attending rehab and will be out for 8 months. The injuries aren't what have me worried. Now I'm no expert, but this is a little weird. I'm the Chicago Fire. The Italian Serie A, and EPL have finished thier seasons. Liverpool finished 4th, and promptly fired their coach. Roma finished third and almost immediatly fired thier coach. Inter who is second, has their coach listed at very insecure. Man these chairmen want results. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

05-12-2003, 09:27 PM	#33
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Illini, I can tell you, as someone who likes to manage Inter when I want to go for the silverware, the pressure is intense at a big club. The chairman and the supporters want results. Last year I was 6 points behind the leader (Juventus) with 8 games left and the supporters were pissed. TroyF

05-12-2003, 10:04 PM	#35
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Does EP 3 include all the updates from EP 1 and EP 2 as well? __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

05-12-2003, 10:25 PM	#37
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Jeez, had no idea about the Italian series being so rough. One thing though that I kind of enjoy. Whenever I look at Montreal/Toronto/Calgary of "The American Second Division" it always says for the nation-United States. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

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