1973 Off-season Thread

[muns]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I'm putting up a new file for Toronto's new owner kaosfere No changes and no exports have been taken, the only thing I did was add him as a user and assign him. With free agency being as awesome as it will be this year, I didn't think it was fair if he's otherwise set up to leave him out.

Just for the record.

Welcome him to the league, too.

Welcome to the league Kasosfere!!!! You have a nice rebuild job in front of you that should be some fun. Glad to have you around

[Cringer]

And...

kaosfere

Welcome to the league. Enjoy the whirlwind experience of speed OOTP.

[Commo_Soldier]

It is probably for the best as I would have been really tied to Lang, Yamazaki and Higman with a total of 45+ of my 65 million going to those three.

[Young Drachma]

I created some new baseball statistics called VOCL and Win Window. The idea was to find some measure to assess where a team was in relation to the 'breakthrough' level of success needed to compete for a championship. In FOOL, the threshold is very high because only two teams make the playoffs. In leagues with longer players, the threshold is lower. But VOCL isn't intended to find out who the best team is or who will in the playoffs.

It's only purpose is to assess for you how "close" you are to championship level.

A positive Win Window indicates that you're a contender, the closer to 1.000 you are, the more likely you are to be in your win window.

I calculated them for FOOL based on this past season's stats

Team			BVORP	PVORP	VOCL	WD	GMS	WW
Valdosta Peanuts	456	164.7	220.7	58	154	1.810
Colorado Rancheros	196	288.1	84.1	38	154	0.793
Boston Settlers		236.1	209.4	45.5	6	154	0.334
Brooklyn Brownstones	324.5	103.6	28.1	14	154	0.273
Rio Grande Roadrunners	222	158.1	-19.9	6	154	-0.090
Atlanta Firecrackers	145.2	211.5	-43.3	18	154	-0.164
Quad City Thunderstorms	225.9	115.7	-58.4	6	154	-0.340
Compton Brothers	152.1	166.5	-81.4	12	154	-0.451
Ann Arbor Wolverines	168.4	134.8	-96.8	-2	154	-0.642
Baltimore Terrapins	140.2	98.4	-161.4	-20	154	-1.178
Toronto Atlantics	150.1	75	-174.9	-14	154	-1.227
New York Highlanders	78.6	109.8	-211.6	-16	154	-1.478
Hartford Harpooners	-5.7	169.3	-236.4	-6	154	-1.574
El Paso Alligators	78.4	72.9	-248.7	-32	154	-1.823
Columbus Crusaders	68.6	60.5	-270.9	-22	154	-1.902
Texas Copperheads	58.1	23.9	-318	-46	154	-2.364

If you're interested in formulas, VOCL (Value Over Championship Level) is

(Team Batting VORP + Team Pitching VORP) - 400 = VOCL

For Win Window, the formula is

VOCL + Win Differential (W - L) / Number of Games in the season = Win Window

[TurnerONU22]

I hope I catch a break tonight with the signings, as the natives in Ohio are getting a little restless, watching such horrible baseball. If I don't sign anybody tonight, I might have a few guys that I will be willing to trade. So, if you're interested in any of the older (about 26 and up) Crusader players, keep an eye out to see if I grab any good players tonight.

At least that's how I feel right now, who knows how I feel tomorrow?

Good luck to everyone (except that team Up North)!

[Commo_Soldier]

Welcome Kaosfere, you joined on the perfect day. Just a tip on that I like to follow in FA if you really like a player it is maybe best to go big since you only have a one-time offer. Goodluck

[graygoose12]

Welcome Kaosfere.

I somewhat second the "go big" in FA attitude. But also remember the salary cap of $65 is pretty low, so you have to watch out for that too.

But like Commo Soldier said, you basically have one shot for FA offers.

[Cringer]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I created some new baseball statistics called VOCL and Win Window. The idea was to find some measure to assess where a team was in relation to the 'breakthrough' level of success needed to compete for a championship. In FOOL, the threshold is very high because only two teams make the playoffs. In leagues with longer players, the threshold is lower. But VOCL isn't intended to find out who the best team is or who will in the playoffs.

It's only purpose is to assess for you how "close" you are to championship level.

A positive Win Window indicates that you're a contender, the closer to 1.000 you are, the more likely you are to be in your win window.

I calculated them for FOOL based on this past season's stats

Team            BVORP    PVORP    VOCL    WD    GMS    WW
Valdosta Peanuts    456    164.7    220.7    58    154    1.810
Colorado Rancheros    196    288.1    84.1    38    154    0.793
Boston Settlers        236.1    209.4    45.5    6    154    0.334
Brooklyn Brownstones    324.5    103.6    28.1    14    154    0.273
Rio Grande Roadrunners    222    158.1    -19.9    6    154    -0.090
Atlanta Firecrackers    145.2    211.5    -43.3    18    154    -0.164
Quad City Thunderstorms    225.9    115.7    -58.4    6    154    -0.340
Compton Brothers    152.1    166.5    -81.4    12    154    -0.451
Ann Arbor Wolverines    168.4    134.8    -96.8    -2    154    -0.642
Baltimore Terrapins    140.2    98.4    -161.4    -20    154    -1.178
Toronto Atlantics    150.1    75    -174.9    -14    154    -1.227
New York Highlanders    78.6    109.8    -211.6    -16    154    -1.478
Hartford Harpooners    -5.7    169.3    -236.4    -6    154    -1.574
El Paso Alligators    78.4    72.9    -248.7    -32    154    -1.823
Columbus Crusaders    68.6    60.5    -270.9    -22    154    -1.902
Texas Copperheads    58.1    23.9    -318    -46    154    -2.364

If you're interested in formulas, VOCL (Value Over Championship Level) is

For Win Window, the formula is

Pretty cool. And I guess it's a good thing I am not in 4th at least.

[Alan T]

Welcome Kaos!

[muns]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I created some new baseball statistics called VOCL and Win Window. The idea was to find some measure to assess where a team was in relation to the 'breakthrough' level of success needed to compete for a championship. In FOOL, the threshold is very high because only two teams make the playoffs. In leagues with longer players, the threshold is lower. But VOCL isn't intended to find out who the best team is or who will in the playoffs.

It's only purpose is to assess for you how "close" you are to championship level.

A positive Win Window indicates that you're a contender, the closer to 1.000 you are, the more likely you are to be in your win window.

I calculated them for FOOL based on this past season's stats

Team			BVORP	PVORP	VOCL	WD	GMS	WW
Valdosta Peanuts	456	164.7	220.7	58	154	1.810
Colorado Rancheros	196	288.1	84.1	38	154	0.793
Boston Settlers		236.1	209.4	45.5	6	154	0.334
Brooklyn Brownstones	324.5	103.6	28.1	14	154	0.273
Rio Grande Roadrunners	222	158.1	-19.9	6	154	-0.090
Atlanta Firecrackers	145.2	211.5	-43.3	18	154	-0.164
Quad City Thunderstorms	225.9	115.7	-58.4	6	154	-0.340
Compton Brothers	152.1	166.5	-81.4	12	154	-0.451
Ann Arbor Wolverines	168.4	134.8	-96.8	-2	154	-0.642
Baltimore Terrapins	140.2	98.4	-161.4	-20	154	-1.178
Toronto Atlantics	150.1	75	-174.9	-14	154	-1.227
New York Highlanders	78.6	109.8	-211.6	-16	154	-1.478
Hartford Harpooners	-5.7	169.3	-236.4	-6	154	-1.574
El Paso Alligators	78.4	72.9	-248.7	-32	154	-1.823
Columbus Crusaders	68.6	60.5	-270.9	-22	154	-1.902
Texas Copperheads	58.1	23.9	-318	-46	154	-2.364

If you're interested in formulas, VOCL (Value Over Championship Level) is

For Win Window, the formula is

Thats pretty freaking cool. Looks like I still have lots of work to do.

[kaosfere]

Hi, everyone, and thanks for the welcome!

Just sent out my first export. Looking over my team, it looks like most of my big guns are on the downside of their careers, and it will be a few years until my young talent makes it out of single A. I put down a few big offers to see if I can get an immediate lift, but focused primarily on trying to pick up some go-getters who could be cheap stars by the time by young players are ready for their rookie year.

(Or could bomb totally, but them's the risks.)

Once the FA negotiations finish tonight, I'll look over what I have and might send out some trade feelers.

Nice to meet everyone. Here's to a good season!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I created some new baseball statistics called VOCL and Win Window. The idea was to find some measure to assess where a team was in relation to the 'breakthrough' level of success needed to compete for a championship. In FOOL, the threshold is very high because only two teams make the playoffs. In leagues with longer players, the threshold is lower. But VOCL isn't intended to find out who the best team is or who will in the playoffs.

It's only purpose is to assess for you how "close" you are to championship level.

A positive Win Window indicates that you're a contender, the closer to 1.000 you are, the more likely you are to be in your win window.

I calculated them for FOOL based on this past season's stats

Team            BVORP    PVORP    VOCL    WD    GMS    WW
Valdosta Peanuts    456    164.7    220.7    58    154    1.810
Colorado Rancheros    196    288.1    84.1    38    154    0.793
Boston Settlers        236.1    209.4    45.5    6    154    0.334
Brooklyn Brownstones    324.5    103.6    28.1    14    154    0.273
Rio Grande Roadrunners    222    158.1    -19.9    6    154    -0.090
Atlanta Firecrackers    145.2    211.5    -43.3    18    154    -0.164
Quad City Thunderstorms    225.9    115.7    -58.4    6    154    -0.340
Compton Brothers    152.1    166.5    -81.4    12    154    -0.451
Ann Arbor Wolverines    168.4    134.8    -96.8    -2    154    -0.642
Baltimore Terrapins    140.2    98.4    -161.4    -20    154    -1.178
Toronto Atlantics    150.1    75    -174.9    -14    154    -1.227
New York Highlanders    78.6    109.8    -211.6    -16    154    -1.478
Hartford Harpooners    -5.7    169.3    -236.4    -6    154    -1.574
El Paso Alligators    78.4    72.9    -248.7    -32    154    -1.823
Columbus Crusaders    68.6    60.5    -270.9    -22    154    -1.902
Texas Copperheads    58.1    23.9    -318    -46    154    -2.364

If you're interested in formulas, VOCL (Value Over Championship Level) is

For Win Window, the formula is

So would you say that I am effectively within my "win window" right now?

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by kaosfere

Nice to meet everyone. Here's to a good season!

And the good thing is if it is not a good season the next one only starts in about 48 hours.

[Chief Rum]

That is cool.

I will be even more interested to see how it looks after the teams are set for the new season (if that can be done).

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That is cool.

I will be even more interested to see how it looks after the teams are set for the new season (if that can be done).

It is based on that year's stats so it is more for retrospective then a prediction tool.

[Alan T]

Show time! Cmon DC, lets do it!

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Show time! Cmon DC, lets do it!

The woman is on the phone. Talking. But I'm ready.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

It is based on that year's stats so it is more for retrospective then a prediction tool.

Ah, but could not such a statistic be extrapolated for prediction purposes? Even if it loses some accuracy, it would be another fun little indicator for what to expect.

[muns]

Originally Posted by Alan T

So would you say that I am effectively within my "win window" right now?

Jack ass

[Young Drachma]

Dan Murphy signed a 1-year deal worth $3.55 million with Colorado

Pete McKeane signed to 1-year deal worth $1.02 million with Baltimore

Orlando Diaz signed a 1-year deal worth $335k with Brooklyn

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Ah, but could not such a statistic be extrapolated for prediction purposes? Even if it loses some accuracy, it would be another fun little indicator for what to expect.

It'd require statistical data that we can't get, sadly. I can, however, do a more crude measure that I'll detail later on.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Ah, but could not such a statistic be extrapolated for prediction purposes? Even if it loses some accuracy, it would be another fun little indicator for what to expect.

You would have to predict VORP for players which might be a bit tough since even for top players, VORP can bounce around a decent amount season to season.

The way I would see this being used for prediction purposes would be at the end of the season, you are in a crossroads of wondering if you rebuild or retool to try to make another run at it. If your "Win Window" is pretty close to competing level, or you seem to be near the top, you might go one way with it, but if your team appeared to have overachieved, you might just throw in your towel and start a rebuild.

I guess the question would be if this stat that DC created actually has the ability to give this information, or if it is going to be a regurgitated Pythag. record in a different statistical format. I'd be personally interested to see this run for the 1969 season to see what it told us, as I was at a crossroads there and made what I would say is a good choice at the time.

[Young Drachma]

C Pedro Delgado signed a 3-year deal worth $3.61 with Colorado

MR Francisco Padilla signed worth $2.25 million over 3 years with Toronto

CF Noah Wakeling signed worth $10.8 million for 2 years with El Paso

3B Luis Marquez signed a 2-year deal worth $2 million with Colorado

SP Alonso Hernandez signed a 1-year deal worth $3 million with Hartford

[muns]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Dan Murphy signed a 1-year deal worth $3.55 million with Colorado

Pete McKeane signed to 1-year deal worth $1.02 million with Baltimore

Orlando Diaz signed a 1-year deal worth $335k with Brooklyn

2 nice cheap deals for Baltimore and Brooklyn.....

Chief you put other offers on other guys? Or did you cut people?

[Alan T]

Muns snipes one player I went after already!

[Chief Rum]

That's a three year deal to Murphy, right?

I wasn't planning to pay him 65% of my remaining cap for this year.

[graygoose12]

I like the signing of Wakeling

[muns]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Muns snipes one player I went after already!

lol its the only guy I landed

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by muns

2 nice cheap deals for Baltimore and Brooklyn.....

Chief you put other offers on other guys? Or did you cut people?

I made a whole bunch of offers, but mostly low ball. I will probably have a ton of "R U kidding me with that offer" types of emails.

[muns]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I made a whole bunch of offers, but mostly low ball. I will probably have a ton of "R U kidding me with that offer" types of emails.

Your question to DC cleared up what I was thinking... Had me wondering over here, cause that didnt seem like you.... So im good now

[graygoose12]

I definitely made some offers that are very risky.

[Chief Rum]

All right, I signed Delgado. Alvarado is officially on the block if anyone is interested in a good offensive catcher who is surplus to requirements.

[Young Drachma]

CL Aaron Dailey signed a 2-year deal worth $14 million with Columbus

RF Fernando Garza signed a 4-year deal worth $9.74 million with New York

CL Mike McBride signed a 4-year deal worth $28.14 million with Atlanta

SP Sadaharu Kobayashi signed a 4-year deal worth $32.24 million with Atlanta

MR Robert Massey signed a 3-year deal worth $4.45 million with Brooklyn

RF Lawrence Wyatt signed a 3-year deal worth $28.35 million with Compton

SS Bob Bath signed a 5-year worth $40.475 million with Atlanta.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by graygoose12

I definitely made some offers that are very risky.

I made many offers for whom it would be risky for the players to accept.

[Alan T]

Well Wyatt sure did hit the payday with Compton there.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, Bath actually got his money. I didn't think he would.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, and Firecracker money seems alive and well.

[muns]

Wow Atlanta is going nuts!!!! They are close team too... interesting

[graygoose12]

"2B" Harris lost all his abilities to play second at some point. I had to find his replacement. Bath plays good D and has some nice power.

[graygoose12]

I almost made a crazy offer for Higman. Now I am interested to see if he ends up signing for much less than I was going to offer.

[muns]

Originally Posted by graygoose12

"2B" Harris lost all his abilities to play second at some point. I had to find his replacement. Bath plays good D and has some nice power.

Sigh........ that is horrible, that drives me nuts!!!! How the heck does a guy play for "X" amount of years at 2nd base and then no longer can play that position......

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by graygoose12

I almost made a crazy offer for Higman. Now I am interested to see if he ends up signing for much less than I was going to offer.

That is something that I am waiting to see what happens as well.

[Young Drachma]

Steven Davis signed a 2-year deal worth $14.28 million with Texas

Juan Reyes signed a 4-year deal worth $48 million with Columbus

[graygoose12]

Originally Posted by muns

Sigh........ that is horrible, that drives me nuts!!!!

yeah I don't know how this is handled.

If I would have played him there next year would he have just been awful. I didn't want to risk that.

[Alan T]

Reyes hit big payday

[muns]

Originally Posted by graygoose12

I almost made a crazy offer for Higman. Now I am interested to see if he ends up signing for much less than I was going to offer.

Havent had a flury of teams signing guys, so im assuming everyone made a high offer on him

[graygoose12]

That's all Davis got. Man, I was afraid he was going to get 10+ per year.

[Alan T]

It makes me sad seeing all of my players run off to other teams to become millionaires... doesn't anyone have any loyalty anymore????

[Young Drachma]

Sorry for the delay...gf is talking to me.

[graygoose12]

Originally Posted by muns

Havent had a flury of teams signing guys, so im assuming everyone made a high offer on him

I considered offering close to $18-20 million per year.