Werewolf XXII - Way of the Colt - Game over, congrats samurai!

[kingfc22]

Good game guys. I think this one turns out a little different if the ninjas had ANY luck at all.

[TazFTW]

Hooray for samurai!

[Mustang]

Ok...

NOW do you guys believe I'm a Samurai???

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Good game guys. I think this one turns out a little different if the ninjas had ANY luck at all.

Like disabling the bodyguard on night one? And me misinterpreting my PM that night about the shiruken(which alan threw at me)? That kind of luck?

[tanglewood]

Good game all. Yay samurai!

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Ok...

NOW do you guys believe I'm a Samurai???

I believed you.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Ok...

NOW do you guys believe I'm a Samurai???

i have to say mustang, i didnt trust you, but you played one of the two best games in my mind....bravo mustang

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Like disabling the bodyguard on night one? And me misinterpreting my PM that night about the shiruken(which alan threw at me)? That kind of luck?

We were told that we had a failry good chance of killing you since you were in my way of my real target, but we ended up only disabling you. My name gets listed in the first night action. Eagles first two views were blocked. Our bribe attempt failed. That kind of luck is what I was referring to.

[Mr. Wednesday]

We were fortunate in a lot of the early in-game breaks, like Blade deciding to protect a ninja on the first night and KWhit getting outed without any real effect, but we got killed on the random stuff. Particularly the failure to succeed in bribing Coder, which I think more than anything else turned the game.

Didn't help that the night I had a run on me, I was busy being social and wasn't able to defend myself.

[Eaglesfan27]

Congrats to Hoopsguy for running an imaginative, fun, game.

Congrats to the remaining Samurai for a resounding win.


By the way, I couldn't respond to it earlier because I thought it would add even more heat, but I certainly didn't make up anything about my personal life to sway votes (or maybe I imagined that allegation in one message.) Anyway, I'm off to spend time with my wife who has been very impatient for the last 30 minutes or so.

Again, congrats to the remaining Samurai and Hoopsguy

[Grammaticus]

Booyah, Samurai Win, Samurai Win!!

[kingfc22]

If we convert Coder, RPI dies, Mr. W lives. We probably kill Lathum at night and then get mustang or taz voted off today. Game over.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

We were told that we had a failry good chance of killing you since you were in my way of my real target, but we ended up only disabling you. My name gets listed in the first night action. Eagles first two views were blocked. Our bribe attempt failed. That kind of luck is what I was referring to.

The bribe you did get shafted on, as you had about a 60-70% chance of succeding...but for all the bad luck you had we had bad luck too, like losing the bodyguard, me being handed you as a wolf and not understanding, the odd tiebreaker rules(which later helped but hurt at first), qwik blowing both his assasination attemptes, and kwhit scanning absolutely no one important.

[hoopsguy]

Roles:

1. Lathum - samurai, seers pick for 100% scan
2. TazFTW - samurai
3. Coder - samurai, mentally strong
4. Kwhit - seer, mentally strong
5. Eaglesfan27 - ninja seer
6. RPI-Fan - samurai, mentally strong
7. Blade6119 - samurai bodyguard
8. PackerFanatic - samurai
9. Path12 - samurai, mentally strong
10. Tanglewood - samurai, mentally strong
11. Mr. Wednesday - wealthy ninja
12. Qwikshot - samurai assassin
13. Mustang - samurai
14. Saldana - samurai
15. Desnudo - samurai, favorite of Chuck
16. Grammaticus - samurai
17. kingfc22 - ninja
18. Schmidty - samurai, mentally strong
19. SirFozzie - samurai, started with intelligent weapon (must use for kill or pass)
20. AlanT - brutal ninja
21. Barkeep - played the role of the intelligent weapon

[kingfc22]

Hoopsguy - thanks for running a very fun game.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

i have to say mustang, i didnt trust you, but you played one of the two best games in my mind....bravo mustang

I don't know about that.. it was a mess from the start for me.

Me voting for myself was either going to

A.) Bandwagon me off. And, I was just saying the truth that it would have probably been better to knock me out. I knew the Ninja were absolutely not going to kill me. Plus alot of banter about suspicion of Mustang so.. if I was going to die it was going to be late

B.) Stop the Bandwagon and make people think.

My lack of vote on night 1 was 90% for my reasons mentioned... because I couldn't really decide on anyone. The other 10% was because I ahhh... zoned out and forgot. oopppps....

[tanglewood]

I apologise to Lathum and Gramm. I think I am a more than deserved candidate for LVP. :o

[SirFozzie]

damn.. I could kill folks with that weapon?

Nonody told me nothin

[Mr. Wednesday]

What did "mentally strong" mean -- no chance for EF to succeed with a scan?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I don't know about that.. it was a mess from the start for me.

Me voting for myself was either going to

A.) Bandwagon me off. And, I was just saying the truth that it would have probably been better to knock me out. I knew the Ninja were absolutely not going to kill me. Plus alot of banter about suspicion of Mustang so.. if I was going to die it was going to be late

B.) Stop the Bandwagon and make people think.

My lack of vote on night 1 was 90% for my reasons mentioned... because I couldn't really decide on anyone. The other 10% was because I ahhh... zoned out and forgot. oopppps....

Late in the game you had both king and eagles pegged, as well as if i remember correctly you were on to alan and mr. w...all 4 wolves...i might be wrong, but thats what i remember as an observer

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

What did "mentally strong" mean -- no chance for EF to succeed with a scan?

I think so.

[RPI-Fan]

Now that's this game is over, want to post this:


I'm sorry for the events that traspired early in the game w/ me and dubb93 (and Blade to some extent).

My views on appropriate game play should have been discussed in a more civil manner, and I apologize for being so rude to dubb.

I'm sorry for carrying on a hissy-fit with Blade early-on, given that it didn't really relate to the game.

I hope you guys will forgive me and have me in your game(s) again. If not, I understand.

Thanks,
~rpi-fan

[RPI-Fan]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Late in the game you had both king and eagles pegged, as well as if i remember correctly you were on to alan and mr. w...all 4 wolves...i might be wrong, but thats what i remember as an observer

Convienent that you left out the part where he was on my ass the whole game...

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Convienent that you left out the part where he was on my ass the whole game...

I honestly dont remember that part...after death i really followed the wolves and who accused them more so then villager/villager stuff

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Convienent that you left out the part where he was on my ass the whole game...

*L*

I was pretty much suspicious of anyone that brought up my name and not voting for me. Which was pretty much why I never trusted Blade..

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mustang

*L*

I was pretty much suspicious of anyone that brought up my name and not voting for me. Which was pretty much why I never trusted Blade..

Like i said, i accuse people and dont accuse people i feel opposite about...the day i died i knew king was bad, and made 1-2 posts about it hoping others would notice but not enough the wolves would kill me...obviously both failed...sometimes ill call out people i think are good so the people im really on to(like i was with king) dont kill me...though i will admit with you i was just wrong

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

though i will admit with you i was just wrong

Eh, I was wrong with you too.. I was convinced your wounds were self-inflicted to give you some type of power. Anti-seer or something...

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I apologise to Lathum and Gramm. I think I am a more than deserved candidate for LVP. :o

Ah, sorry I got you killed.

[path12]

Thanks for the game Hoops -- yay samurai!

[hoopsguy]

Roles and rules:
- 100% hidden roles
- hidden victory conditions (although they were standard)
- 20 players (+ Barkeep as the weapon), 4 ninjas
- Game begins with Day 1 (no Night 0)
- Lynch: all players who accumulate 40% or more of the votes on a given day
- 25% for each player being mentally strong (include ninjas in this0
- 2 players start as incorruptable (include ninjas in this)
- no role reveals on night kills
- ninjas must name their killer each night
- cannot have same ninja attack two night in a row at any point in the game (including end game, unless possessing the sword)

Neutral Roles:
- Possessor of Sword (SirFozzie) - when holding sword, can declare a night-kill or pass the sword to another player. Required to start with a samurai.
- Mentally strong - 25% chance for each player to assume this role. Not revealed to player. If mentally strong there is a 50% chance that they resist a scan.
- Incorruptable - 2 players cannot be bought. Attempt fails, but no witness.

Samurai Roles:
- Assassin (Qwikshot) - one night kill per game

- Seer (KWhit) - conventional in terms of night scans, but could be stopped by mentally strong. Was allowed to declare two people before game as 100% scans, even if they were mentally strong (chose Lathum and Mr. Wednesday, neither were mentally strong, neither were ever scanned). If killed at night he had a 5% chance to project a "mental scream" that would broadcast his death via PM to all players. Scanned players are not alerted that they were scanned.
- Bodyguard (Blade) - can't ever defend a player for 2nd time until he has defended everyone in the game. If he ever guards a wolf he is blinded, losing all powers. If there is a night kill there is a 25% chance that he acts as a modified witness (moderator provides a list of three players, one of which must include a ninja). Witness is repeatable power, not active when he directly protects (which aborts the ninja attack).
- Favored Student (Desnudo) - can make a request to moderator twice per game (not twice in same day, however) to reveal the role of a night kill.

Ninja Roles:
- Wealthy Ninja (Mr. Wednesday) - silent conversion possible once per game. 66% chance of success. 24% chance failed, not identified. 10% chance fails and samurai is given a list of two names (one randomly generated) to pick between for the ninja.
- Brutal Ninja (AlanT) - standard brutal wolf
- Wise Ninja (Eaglesfan27) - could scan a player every other night to learn their role.
- Ninja (Kingfc22)

[Blade6119]

Hoops is still posting the tie-breaker rules which was crazy, but for everyones own ideas here is what went down on night 1:

I, the bodyguard, picked king to protect and went to his place...king and alan(ninjas) were picked to go out on the kill that night(ironically, it was kwhit, the seer, they picked...so in that regard my guard was huge)...alan threw the shiruken at me to kill me and i dodged it(it hit the door)...king then attacked me from behind and blinded me. They left me for dead, when qwikshot(the samurai assasin) came along to kill me as well...hoops offered him to follow the attackers, finish me off, or save me...he chose the third option...and hence where we were at day 2

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wealthy Ninja (Mr. Wednesday) - silent conversion possible once per game. 66% chance of success. 24% chance failed, not identified. 10% chance fails and samurai is given a list of two names (one randomly generated) to pick between for the ninja.

I would have taken those odds going in. Unfortunately, the 10% chance came in.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I would have taken those odds going in. Unfortunately, the 10% chance came in.

I'd say that 10% worked out pretty good considering I was paired up with you...

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

, the bodyguard, picked king to protect and went to his place...king and alan(ninjas) were picked to go out on the kill that night(ironically, it was kwhit, the seer, they picked...so in that regard my guard was huge)

Mostly. We were told that you were prowling around outside and given the choice of doing nothing or changing up and trying to kill you. Originally, it was just going to be one of king or Alan doing the kill, but when we found out you were out there we were allowed to add another. As a result of this, EF had to do the kill the following night, but it appears as though with you blinded, there was nobody left to witness an attack and it wasn't all that important who did the killing.

[Grammaticus]

So basically the bodyguard can never protect a player twice, because he has to protect all players once first. This ensures he protects a ninja and loses his powers, thus he can never get to a person twice.

Also, who did the Wise Ninja Eaglesfan scan during the game?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I'd say that 10% worked out pretty good considering I was paired up with you...

Not really. Coder took off after me the following night, which I'm not convinced happens if he doesn't have me identified as one of two possible assailants.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Hoops is still posting the tie-breaker rules which was crazy, but for everyones own ideas here is what went down on night 1:

I, the bodyguard, picked king to protect and went to his place...king and alan(ninjas) were picked to go out on the kill that night(ironically, it was kwhit, the seer, they picked...so in that regard my guard was huge)...alan threw the shiruken at me to kill me and i dodged it(it hit the door)...king then attacked me from behind and blinded me. They left me for dead, when qwikshot(the samurai assasin) came along to kill me as well...hoops offered him to follow the attackers, finish me off, or save me...he chose the third option...and hence where we were at day 2

Desnudo's role showed him that AlanT blinded you. Which was it?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I know he scanned path12 -- the scan block was one of the reasons we killed him. I don't recall the others.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Desnudo's role showed him that AlanT blinded you. Which was it?

Alan t could have...doesnt matter really, both were there...i know king attacked me and i thought he blinded/cut me...but since i was BLIND i dont know

[hoopsguy]

Night 1 was a weird one:

1.) King is designated to kill the seer KWhit.
2.) Blade decides to guard King.
3.) Qwikshot goes to kill Blade.

So, King can't go kill the seer because he is watched. But he is supposed to be able to blind the bodyguard. And should Qwikshot get to witness this?

If I played it out in the order that it should be played then King blinds Blade and Qwikshot kills him. But that didn't make sense to me in a story-telling sense. I wasn't trying to tilt the game, but I did want actions to proceed in a manner that made sense - would the samurai really kill a guy that wasn't lying in his bed and had clearly been blinded?

So I sent night PMs to the wolves allow them to bring in a second attacker to let them blind Blade and then gave Qwik the option to kill, flee, or stand and explain what he had seen. It was the most balanced option that I could think of at the time and I would welcome feedback on it. End result was that the ninja lost a kill but crippled the bodyguard (which was there normal outcome if bodyguard guards a ninja) and that the assassin kept his power for one more day. And that the ninjas had only two people to choose from the following night instead of three (negligible impact).

Also on that night Eagles was not able to scan the mentally strong Path. I believe they thought he was the seer, so they popped him the following night while Qwikshot took out PackerFanatic (Night 2).

The Day 2 tie was at 7-7. Since there were 19 people left there was no lynch (36%).

The next tie was also 7-7 but since we were down to 17 people at that point both were lynched (41% each). And tonight was 55-44, again resulting in a double lynch.

If the ninjas had realized what the process was on that somehow they could have really steered the votes to their benefit. It would have been hard for the samurai to figure it out in isolation since they could not PM one another. Even if one person figured it out then moving votes would have been a challenge.

The game was effectively turned on the failed conversion. If the ninjas don't hit the 10% screw option then they probably don't lose Mr. W. Coder joins the ninjas, RPI goes down that night, and I believe it would have been a 7-4 game at that point.


Definitely looking for feedback on the game mechanics - fun, confusing, BS? As well as the overall game experience - was hidden roles a good thing or a bad thing? Writing, rulings on decisions, etc ...

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Alan t could have...doesnt matter really, both were there...i know king attacked me and i thought he blinded/cut me...but since i was BLIND i dont know

If you knew King attacked you, why didn't you tell us, so we could kill him? Or did you mean you found out after you were out of the game?

[hoopsguy]

I didn't tell anyone all of the details after they left the game, but I did swap a few PMs with some of the players who were out of the game.

Blade - here is the first one I had from you where you guessed the ninjas:

but my best guess for ninjas would be King, Taz, Mustang....am i close?

Just want to make sure you don't take credit for knowing everything at the time of your death You had King: 1 out of 3 isn't bad at that point.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Definitely looking for feedback on the game mechanics - fun, confusing, BS? As well as the overall game experience - was hidden roles a good thing or a bad thing? Writing, rulings on decisions, etc ...

Fun, and well written. I thought the hidden roles worked well in the context of this game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also on that night Eagles was not able to scan the mentally strong Path. I believe they thought he was the seer, so they popped him the following night while Qwikshot took out PackerFanatic (Night 2).

I don't recall us being certain that he was the seer, rather we thought he had some sort of special role that made it a good idea for him to be out of the picture.

[Grammaticus]

Why did you guys take RPI the night after Mr. Wed was lynched?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hey, Alan, did you intentionally leave me out of your assessment of people that got RPI after me?

[Grammaticus]

Wow, day one was almost a no lynch. Fozzie was right on 40%. That would have been interesting if a no lynch had occurred on day one without a tie involved.

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I had actually forgotten about this one after 2 ties and 2 double-lynches. I wonder if it would have sparked more conversation?

I think people got caught up in looking for tie-breakers instead of looking at it as "lynch conditions". Barkeep had run a game (with published rules) that had a requirement of 1/3 of the total votes in order to lynch.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Hey, Alan, did you intentionally leave me out of your assessment of people that got RPI after me?

Thanks for the great game hoops, was alot of fun!

For what I did in the game, going in, I wanted to live a little longer than I had planned.. we initially saw the friction between two different groups of people (basiclaly those pro-blade and those anti-blade) so we started by trying to set up blade. We had a short list of people we wanted to go for basically to try to divide the samurais into two parts, so every vote ended up being conflicted and it made it easier for us to not have to stir up things..

Well, we were either really lucky or really unlucky the first night. Im still not sure which. We almost had the seer on night 1 out of luck if not for blade protecting the one person who was going to do the kill.

So we had to change up and play with the cards we got. The way Blade played things out, it bought us some time for king to be "cleared" but because of that we couldn't kill off Qwik or people would suspect him too soon. Thats when I ended up becoming blade's best friend so to speak. By doing so, it gave me enough leeway to stir things up some, without the largest risk of death (since Blade's group of people never were interested in voting for me). I found out the previous game when the only cleared person (Neon) gave a full list of villagers that were one by one eliminated wrongfully that having the only cleared person side with you was a huge plus, so I worked that angle.

My next bad luck was the tie vote. I took a chance on that one, and perhaps shouldn't have. That might have been the mistake I made this game, but I realized that people were very hesitant after that to be the tie or breaking vote. At that point, unless there was some huge reason, people didnt want to put themselves on the line to break a tie or tie it up. I think I would have been ok if not for kwhit doing a seer reveal, which ended up condeming me.

As for Mr. W's question, I figured it was only a matter of time till they came after me and killed me. I basically tried to leave so much non-information that if you went off of what I said, it wouldnt get you anywhere. I basically grouped up ninjas with samurais in each of my types of dealings, where I never had a ninja singled out.. I had paired up Mr. W with Schmidty and Desnudo in not naming them at all, or being any bit suspicious about them. I paired up king with Qwik as far as being very suspicious, and I paired eaglesfan with Mustang and tanglewood as far as being openly accusing.

That way I wouldn't leave any ninja wide open without some group. I honestly thought that Schmidty would be more confrontational and end up getting himself lynched before Mr.W, I figured people would lynch Tanglewood and or Mustang before Eaglesfan and get tired of chasing that dead end, and I was just hoping King would hold out a bit.

I know alot of things I would have done differently if I had it to do over again, but I had alot of fun either way.. Thanks all for the fun game

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Fun, and well written. I thought the hidden roles worked well in the context of this game.

I was fine with hidden rules but, it might have been better to have a list of potential rules so you could at least narrow the field a bit. (Come up with a few that don't even exist)

I think sometimes there was a little bit of discussion on a role and the opinion that it just had to exist...