Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I think Mr. W is more of a night poster.

For some reason, I read that as "I think Mr. W is more of a bed wetter."

Anyhow, I agree with the above and I was surprised the game started already...which is why I looked up his profile and it said that he hasn't been on since 5:30 PM EST last night. FWIW, in the past he has been helpful (to wolves and villagers alike), so I would say we should cut him some slack with the Day 1 votes. If he's inactive for a second day, one of the alternates can step in. I would hate to possibly lynch our seer just because he didn't know the game was starting.

[Celeval]

Is a lynching necessary every stage?

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

For some reason, I read that as "I think Mr. W is more of a bed wetter."

Anyhow, I agree with the above and I was surprised the game started already...which is why I looked up his profile and it said that he hasn't been on since 5:30 PM EST last night. FWIW, in the past he has been helpful (to wolves and villagers alike), so I would say we should cut him some slack with the Day 1 votes. If he's inactive for a second day, one of the alternates can step in. I would hate to possibly lynch our seer just because he didn't know the game was starting.

Maybe you saw it as night pisser? Either that, or I think you have some latent problems from childhood you need to address.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Is a lynching necessary every stage?

Technically yes, although in a tie vote, there's a possibility that no one will be killed, depending on the rules. In reality, it's better to lynch someone, even a villager, every night in order to establish behavioural patterns.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Maybe you saw it as night pisser? Either that, or I think you have some latent problems from childhood you need to address.

Childhood??? Who's talking about childhood. I had this dream last night....

[Desnudo]

They don't 4F you for being a bed wetter?

[Grammaticus]

Yeah, I could not take much more of watching Jerry Rice dance, so I had to retreat to the computer and eventually noticed the game was on. We’ll probably hear from Mr. Wed before too long.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

As much as it pisses me off im not an "other" either...im honestly wondering if GMs actively make me a non-wolf...its like they dont want me to have fun...ive actually begun and indian dance ritual i call "rain evil please." its really getting annoying...hell, i bet sun is a wolf again...hes a wolf every damn game...sun always taking my spot

*yawn* Same old, same old.

Vote Blade6119

This is nothing personal, it's just that there's nothing to go on, and statements like the one you made annoy me. Of course you're going to say that you have no special role, but I've always thought that to be a pointless ploy. Also, are people supposed to believe you just because you go cuckoo, or as you called it ealier - "fake-angry Blade stuff"?

[SnDvls]

I forgot a character in my original post. If you haven't watched the most recent Lost on 2-8-06 SPOILER ALERT!!

Bernard (was in the tail married to Rose he is a dentist. While not a doctor like Jack he does have some medical training.)

might mean something in the future might me jack squat.

[Swaggs]

I'll be leaving for the evening shortly, so I need to vote soon.

Since, this is a crapshoot anyway, I'm going to Vote Blade6119. I am always a little suspicious of the person who is accusatory so early.

[kingfc22]

Looks like we still don't have a lot to go on. Does anyone have an updated vote count?

[hoopsguy]

Was working on the votes just now, King. Here is what I have:

Tanglewood - Hoopsguy (121)
Mr. Wednesday - Alan T (138), Spleen (182)
Grammaticus - SnDvls (147)
Alan T - Saldana (151)
RaidersArmy - Blade (162)
Desmond - Grammaticus (168)
RPI-Fan - KWhit (190)
Blade - Schimdty (208), Swaggs (210)

So 10 votes are in up to this point, leaving 11 who have not voted.

[kingfc22]

Personally I like two horse or three horse races since it narrows down voting patterns later in the game.

So for now:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Was working on the votes just now, King. Here is what I have:

Tanglewood - Hoopsguy (121)
Mr. Wednesday - Alan T (138), Spleen (182)
Grammaticus - SnDvls (147)
Alan T - Saldana (151)
RaidersArmy - Blade (162)
Desmond - Grammaticus (168)
RPI-Fan - KWhit (190)
Blade - Schimdty (208), Swaggs (210)

So 10 votes are in up to this point, leaving 11 who have not voted.

Mr. Wednesday has a 3rd vote from Bearcat in (181) as well.

[SnDvls]

If anyone knows how to contact Mr. W out of game do it. As it seems he's going to get hung without even signing on. I'd like to hear a little out of him.

[hoopsguy]

Good catch, Alan T. Thanks.

MrW (3)
Blade (2), Raiders (2)
Bunch with (1)

I'm tempted to move my vote off of Tanglewood to see what happens when turning the heat up on one of the vote leaders, but my reasons for initially voting Tanglewood have not changed (quiet player, doesn't provide much surface area to evaluate if good/bad).

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Personally I like two horse or three horse races since it narrows down voting patterns later in the game.

So for now:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

Well, that's two votes for me. I think Blade explained himself as to why he voted for me, but you didn't. I have nothing else to go on except for the fact that I know I'm a survivor and you voted for a survivor with no explanation. So my response to you is:

VOTE KINGFC22

[Raiders Army]

dola, I also did an activity analysis and have posted quite a bit about my thoughts, so I'm not sure why you voted for me.

You, on the other hand, have contributed very little.

[kingfc22]

I voted for you for a combo of reasons.

1) Day 1 is always random
2) I already stated that I would probably vote for someone with a bolded number
3) I also stated that I like creating 2-3 horse races so that it narrows down the voting pattern.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

I voted for you for a combo of reasons.

1) Day 1 is always random
2) I already stated that I would probably vote for someone with a bolded number
3) I also stated that I like creating 2-3 horse races so that it narrows down the voting pattern.

Understood.

[pennywisesb]

Day one sucks. I hate just casting meaningless votes out there. I can't pinpoint any one thing that has stood out so far from anyone, so I'm going to put off my vote until later.

[Desmond]

Sorry guys, didn't expect to get so swamped at work today.

Seeing as how I have very little to go on and am also intrigued by the bolded guys, Im gonna throw my vote in for Mr. W as well.

Vote Mr. Wednesday

Im not sure that being bolded means anything, but I think we'll know for sure if we can expect any kind of action/reaction from them by voting one of them out first.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

All roles have been sent. Please verify you were onboard Oceanic Airlines Flight 815.

Confirmed.

[hoopsguy]

Welcome to the party, Mr. W. Lets see if you can move a few of those votes in the next 4 hours.

[Mr. Wednesday]

FWIW... I'm not a bad guy. I might be bolded because I'm unlucky, I dunno. Or maybe ardent is just trying to mess with you... I mean, really, what would you expect your GM to do?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't really like trying to vote out one of the two folks who currently have two, so...

RPI-Fan always gets on me at some point, so I'm going to give him a good reason.
Vote RPI-Fan

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Desmond

Sorry guys, didn't expect to get so swamped at work today.

Seeing as how I have very little to go on and am also intrigued by the bolded guys, Im gonna throw my vote in for Mr. Wednesday as well.

Im not sure that being bolded means anything, but I think we'll know for sure if we can expect any kind of action/reaction from them by voting one of them out first.

This wasn't included in the rules, and that's my fault.

I'd appreciate in the future to have

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

or

Unvote Ardent Enthusiast

Thank you.

[Raiders Army]

It's quiet...too quiet.

[Poli]

I've already been beat out of my dola.

However, I would like to know the thoughts of the players regarding the weekend.

We could
1. Play through the weekend.
2. Play extended hours through the weekend.
3. Start up again on Monday. Night actions would be complete and posted as soon as received.

I'm up for any of the above.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm not sure I'll be back by 9 pm CST... I think it's very dangerous to assume anything particularly about people who are bolded. Off the top of my head, it could mean that one or more is a bad guy, or that one or more has has some sort of "cursed" special role that would help the bad guys. However, it could also mean that one or more has some sort of special role that would help the good guys. Or it could just mean, as I noted above, that ardent is trying to mess with us.

If I'm going to get wrongfully lynched here, hopefully you'll learn something useful from my death. I doubt it's going to help us win.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'll post my thoughts on what I'd like for the weekend once I know whether I've survived for the weekend.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I've already been beat out of my dola.

However, I would like to know the thoughts of the players regarding the weekend.

We could
1. Play through the weekend.
2. Play extended hours through the weekend.
3. Start up again on Monday. Night actions would be complete and posted as soon as received.

I'm up for any of the above.

I'm good with any of those three.

I'm not really sure I have anything to go on at this point, anyway... so I'm going to

Vote Alan T

just because he's probably not going to get booted anyway. :-D

If there's a good case made for someone else, I'm listening and will probably be paying attention to the thread through 9pm, so I may swap up.

[Mr. Wednesday]

That makes me with three, plus Blade, Raiders, RPI, and Alan with two.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Short of a role reveal, you're not going to get a whole lot of good cases from anyone. And even a role reveal isn't likely to be worth it, because it'll probably get you killed overnight.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'll be leaving for the evening shortly, so I need to vote soon.

Since, this is a crapshoot anyway, I'm going to Vote Blade6119. I am always a little suspicious of the person who is accusatory so early.

You sir, obviously, have not played many games with me...ask anyone and they would prob. tell you this is me holding back . But just to appease your vote:

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY
VOTE KINGFC22

I was hoping to draw king out, as i stated earlier to hoops long before i voted raiders. The look into numbers was a total bluff to see who would latch onto the idea. Wolves want a reason to vote for a villager, so when looking back they can explain their actions. My number thing gave them the perfect route. Of the two to mention liking it the most, penny and king, king followed through and did it with a vote that looks villager-ish the the naked eye. In retrospect, its exactly the vote a wolf would make. Not on the bolded person with a bandwagon, not on a person with no votes, and has every reason of being explained later on if need be.

The numbers were bolded before people even signed up, and ardent couldnt have balanced the roles until he knew how many people would sign up. Hence why i feel the idea is a total and complete scapegoat for "others"

And yes, i realize i could be far off base. I made a move to see reactions, and king obliged. Any questions?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

That makes me with three, plus Blade, Raiders, RPI, and Alan with two.

make that you with 3, myself, rpi, alan, and king with 2

[Mr. Wednesday]

If nobody else moves before I leave for the night, I will make a change to my vote in the interests of self-preservation.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If nobody else moves before I leave for the night, I will make a change to my vote in the interests of self-preservation.

pray tell where might that be going? If its going to me before the deadline im going to try harder to convince people to vote for someone else...like everyone, i dont want to die on day one and if nothing changes and you swap i could.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I wasn't planning on putting it on you, actually. For better or worse, you always make things interesting, even if I don't often agree with your tactics.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You sir, obviously, have not played many games with me...ask anyone and they would prob. tell you this is me holding back . But just to appease your vote:

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY
VOTE KINGFC22

I was hoping to draw king out, as i stated earlier to hoops long before i voted raiders. The look into numbers was a total bluff to see who would latch onto the idea. Wolves want a reason to vote for a villager, so when looking back they can explain their actions. My number thing gave them the perfect route. Of the two to mention liking it the most, penny and king, king followed through and did it with a vote that looks villager-ish the the naked eye. In retrospect, its exactly the vote a wolf would make. Not on the bolded person with a bandwagon, not on a person with no votes, and has every reason of being explained later on if need be.

The numbers were bolded before people even signed up, and ardent couldnt have balanced the roles until he knew how many people would sign up. Hence why i feel the idea is a total and complete scapegoat for "others"

And yes, i realize i could be far off base. I made a move to see reactions, and king obliged. Any questions?

One thing missing in that logic is that what difference does it make who got slotted in to those positions or when he created them? He had them bolded and probably assumed that enough people would fill out the game to make them usuable.

Personally, I think it's a red herring, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

[hoopsguy]

I think it is actually 4 on Mr W. since I missed Bearcat's in my list earlier.

Alan T, Spleen, Bearcat, and Desmond.

I'm heading out to play some poker, don't know if I'll be online again before deadline or not. But let's heat this up a little bit ...

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD
VOTE KINGFC22

I would have liked to have seen Tanglewood attract some votes. Mr. W attracted four votes for being bolded and not visiting the site for a few hours. Tanglewood did the obligatory "I'm here" and not much else. But I don't think that a throwaway vote on Tanglewood is forcing the "others" to play their hand today.

I'm fine with whatever hours arrangement we come up with for the weekend. I'll generally have availability on Saturday and good portions of Sunday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Unvote RPI-Fan
Vote kingfc22

Self-preservation... I'll be here about ten minutes more, then I'll be gone probably all the way through the deadline.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

One thing missing in that logic is that what difference does it make who got slotted in to those positions or when he created them? He had them bolded and probably assumed that enough people would fill out the game to make them usuable.

Personally, I think it's a red herring, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

I personally believe ardent would not do that...predicated solely upon my extensive talks with ardent in the past, i can say with all certainty that the bold does not = wolf...now one or two may have been randomly assigned it, but i simply dont believe a person like ardent would make it that easy. Once one died and was shown to be an "other" it would be all too easy if that was the case...it doesnt make sense logistically...

Hence why i dont see a hole in the logic

[Blade6119]

4 on wednesday, 4 on king now if im not mistaken

[Blade6119]

Id vote for regular hours this weekend, but thats just me...outside of saturday night im currently free..if we do regular im sure i can hit 10,000 posts tomorrow

[Blade6119]

and kings arrives just as mr. w leaves...should be interesting with mr. w now unable to defend himself really...i look forward to kings response

[Raiders Army]

I'm good for anything, but tomorrow I'll be out most of the day.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

i can say with all certainty that the bold does not = wolf...now one or two may have been randomly assigned it

So if one is a wolf, I have a 1 in 4 chance of being right. While all the rest of the "random" votes have a 1/21 chance of being right. I'll take those odds. Also, this game is based on the show and I just don't think that the numbers would NOT play some type of role in this game.

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Not on the bolded person with a bandwagon

Also you say I didn't want to put a vote on a player with a "bandwagon". I didn't know two votes was considered a bandwagon.

I asked for a count on post 211. Hoops listed them out on 212 and then I voted on 213.

[Mr. Wednesday]

It's not like I was offering a real defense of myself anyway... the only thing I could do if I were still around is do further vote shifting. If I do get back home before deadline, I'll check just to see if there's anything more I can do for myself.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I personally believe ardent would not do that...predicated solely upon my extensive talks with ardent in the past, i can say with all certainty that the bold does not = wolf...now one or two may have been randomly assigned it, but i simply dont believe a person like ardent would make it that easy. Once one died and was shown to be an "other" it would be all too easy if that was the case...it doesnt make sense logistically...

Hence why i dont see a hole in the logic

I wasn't arguing that all 4 are Others, I was arguing that it doesn't matter whether they were bolded beforehand or not. If he made all four of the bolded Others, that would potentially be an act of genius, but also could end the game fairly quickly. If it's a random draw, then the odds are actually pretty bad that one of the bolded is an Other.

However, I see the logic for "testing the waters" with a bolded number, lacking evidence in favor of anyone else on the first day.